>Is right in every prediction despite being barely empirical in his analysis of history how did he do it?
>>18108081Took the Bible's idea of entropy and law of thermodynamics but eliminate d God from the bigger picture
>>18108081He was the personification of the faustian spirit recognising its existence
>>18108081too cowardly to name the jew and be a nazi
>>18108093I mean he talked shit about Hitler while in Nazi Germany, that takes balls.Though i heard he inspired the Night of the Long Knives in some way
>>18108081sex gifs
>>18108110You could talk shit about Hitler as long as you stayed out their way.
>>18108081>is rightHow historically illiterate do you have to be to believe this? Or is it just part of being a tranny?
>>18108081I have thought about this. He starts from the premise that if every civilization undergoes the same lifecycle then it must be that conventional theories that attempt to explain history must all be false. Conventional theories such as economic explanations of history which always go into excruciating detail, which to Spengler is just empty scribbling because of this focus on tiny minutiae that completely misses the overarching historical parallels between civilizations. So in the end Spengler really says little and argues nothing because he sees no point to any of that. He just gives a prognosis and leaves it there, meaning there is nothing in him that can actually be argued against or refuted empirically.
>>18108081>how did he do it?By using empirical data and research to support his arguments
>>18108081Very smart, very perceptive. Pessimistic. And he correctly understood you can't treat history like a physical or formal science. It's not physics.>>18108110He voted for them.Just was too much of a conservative chud.
>>18108457He was right though. Decline is full of prescient passages.>>18108487I assume you never got past the first section of decline. He doesn't say that at all. Though he does criticize the history of his day. In the first pages of Decline he writes> What concerns us is not what the historical facts which appear at this or that time are, per se, but what they signify, what they point to, by appearing. ... I have not hitherto found one who has carefully considered the morphological relationship that inwardly binds together the expression forms of all branches of a Culture. who has gone beyond politics to grasp the ultimate and fundamental ideas of Greeks, Arabians, Indians and Westerners in mathematics, the meaning of their early ornamentation, the basic forms of their architecture, philosophies, dramas and lyrics, their choice and development of great arts, the detail of their craftsmanship and choice of materials -let alone appreciated the decisive importance of these matters for the form-problems of history. He thought factual cause and effect history was limited and unable to grasp the higher relation of things.
>>18108498>Spengler flirted with nationalism early on (he voted for them in 1933 and wrote a pro-Hitler pamphlet), but soured fast. He called their racism "stupid" and "petty," arguing it distracted from real threats like economic collapse or Bolshevism>In private letters, he griped to Goebbels that the Nazis were too vulgar and race-obsessed, ignoring his bigger ideas on cultural destiny.They banned his books by the mid-1930s for not being "Aryan" enough. He preferred Mussolini's style (at first), seeing it as more "Caesarist" (strongman rule without the race pseudoscience).NiggerSocialist bros.....Spengler was a shitalian lover...
>>18108637Meh, the Nazis banned literally anything not in the party line. They also banned nordicists. Pissed of Walther Darré.
>decide to finally read the book>there's fucking mathematical equations
>>18109194Wait until you get to the part where he explains kittens are cute.
>>18109194What did you expect? It's a full analysis of Science and art. Not a 60 page chud-tract on why he hates Transexuals.
>>181091941+1=2 isnt that hard to grasp
>>18109720Well he does discuss calculus a lot. And beyond that.
> And then, when being is sufficiently uprooted and waking-being sufficiently strained, there suddenly emerges into the bright light of history a phenomenon that has long been preparing itself underground and now steps forward to make an end of the drama—the sterility of civilized man. This is not something that can be grasped as a plain matter of causality (as modern science naturally enough has tried to grasp it); it is to be understood as an essentially metaphysical turn towards death. The last man of the world-city no longer wants to live—he may cling to life as an individual, but as a type, as an aggregate, no, for it is a characteristic of this collective existence that it eliminates the terror of death. That which strikes the true peasant with a deep and inexplicable fear, the notion that the family and the name may be extinguished, has now lost its meaning. The continuance of the blood-relation in the visible world is no longer a duty of the blood, and the destiny of being the last of the line is no longer felt as a doom. Children do not happen, not because children have become impossible, but principally because intelligence at the peak of intensity can no longer find any reason for their existence.>When the ordinary thought of a highly cultivated people begins to regard "having children" as a question of pros and cons, the great turning-point has come.Pretty impressive that he saw this coming in 1911
>>18109757>"I see, long after A.D. 2.000, cities laid out for ten to twenty million lnhabitants, spread over enormous areas of country-side, with buildings that will dwarf the biggest of to-day's and notions of traffic and communication that we should regard as fantastic to the point of madness. "This one is my favourite.
>>18108081>Cells are living things >We are made of living things>Culture/civilization is made of usMacrocosmos and microcosmos, also he figured out if living creatures are different according to their geographic locations the by need cultures must be too.
>>18108571>he was le heckin' rightlol, lmfao even
>>18109766He was thougheverbeit.
If he was right, he would've been more influential. No one outside of some chuds or third reichists has read him.
>>18109778No green arrow so you look like this and say this.
>>18109778>>18109790How does a chin like that happen and how can i make sure to avoid it
>>18109761Imagine him listening to speedcore at spotify while ordering late-stage civilization asian female figurines at Temu, for academic purposes.
>>18109808he had a persian sword collection iirc
>>18109778Nigga fucking Henry Kissinger made a thesis on his work, we are living in a geopolitical world at least partly based on spenglerian theories and he is right now owning most leftie academics.
>>18109778kek if i were this guy i would just hang myself, it's over.Then again, if he tried to hang himself the rope would just slip off
>>18109817https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Decline_of_the_West#InfluencedHow did it manage to influence such a varied collection of people?
>>18109817>some dead jew made a thesis on someone who eats literal shitI can understand why all the indians itt follow him like lost puppies.
>>18109872It was VERY famous in the early 20th century. It's approach to history, art, politics, etc. was completely novel, too. Very famous, very innovative, for his time.He is basically one of the first guys to argue for non-eurocentric history, ironically.
>>18109757>>18109761NGL this is uncannily accurate
>>18109761>cities and houses will get bigger... Okay?
>>18108093Most ultra right-wing intellectuals like Evola criticize Hitler
>>18110144If you think 'buildings' in that sentence meant houses you need to work on your reading comprehension. Plus you ignore the main part of that prediction. The notions of communication and Traffic beyond their wildest imaginations.
>>18110161Hitler ensured the death of millions of whites and left Europe to both sorts of marxists on a silver platter by sheer incompetence.
>>18110180This is objectively true, btw. Imagine trying to explain the internet, how it actually works, to anyone in 1919 or 1921. They would think you are a lunatic.Admittedly, the most important transport happening of the last century (the automobile as protagonist) is easier to explain. A few Americans may have seen it coming. Air travel would be more fantastic but at least conceivable. Only the scale would baffle people, if anything.
>>18110180>he predicts the possibility of shit like Starlink and 4chan and fags who use such high tech to claim space is fake and gay and we all will burn in hell because we mock their retarded branch of Second ReligiosityHow did he do it bros? How can someone be such a chad?
>>18110180I was being facetious when I used the word "houses". Modern traffic and communications were actually well within the wildest imagination as early as 19th century - Jules Verne's "Paris in the XX century" is a good example. The other Spengler quote, actually does strike on something profound >>18109757, this, however, sounds about as impressive as Sam Hyde's "video games will probably get more realistic" at TedX.
>>18110233It is rather vague. I will give you that. However I think bringing up Verne also facetious. Considering he was just unusually prescient in all matters concerning technology (Holograms, for example). And not everyone would be familiar with his work.It was rather cheap. Though. Should have found a better prediction.
>>18109190>They also banned nordicists.What was the context?
>>18110270Meant for >>18110249
>>18110282Only the more extreme ones. But the reason is that large parts of Germany are populated chiefly by Alpines, and promoting Nordic supremacy would divide the german nation.
>>18109757>>18109761>man predicts two things that were happening in his own time might continue into the future>this makes him a genius/his/ is truly a brainlet board
>>18110292Well not these two things. It's the entire system. Though idk if I would call him a genius.
>>18108081Don't lie to me WaltSussy baka
>>18110295fair enough
>>18110292He predicted below replacement birth rates in an era when the average german woman had 5 kids. Sure, they were decreasing, but everybody expected that they'd stabilise at replacement, even as late as 1990s.
>>18110292>>man predicts two things that were happening in his own time might continue into the futureWhen Spengler made that prediction, European birth rates were on the level of Afghanistan today. Malthusianism was in vogue, and the idea that we could ever face a population collapse due to opportunity costs was completely incomphrenesible.
>>18110375>Sure, they were decreasing>>18110427>Malthusianism was in vogueThat's the point I'm making. Birth control as a matter of utility was already a very well established concept by that point, older than Spengler himself even. All he did was predict that it will eventually be a matter of personal utility rather than civilizational. You don't need to be a particularly insightful person to foresee that, especially given the fact that most birth control movements necessarily relied on individual choice to achieve their aims.
>>18110292It's not that he prediced it, Jules Vernes and H.G. Wells did better in many specific aspects, it's the "why" what truly makes him remarkable, more so because most of the 20th century was dominated by an utopian socialist worldview where progress was inevitable, him not falling to utopianism even before WW1 showed he was more mentally capable than the average academic of the time.
>>18109872>Adorno, Wittgenstein,Paglia?????????How the fuck did they get inspired by him
>>18110967Bro thinks he's him
>>18110450>most birth control movements necessarily relied on individual choice to achieve their aims.MMMM, not exactly ALL, though....
>>18109778You're a low IQ American leftard, aren't you? Ozzy Spengler was world famous. He was even respected by a lot of leftists philosophers.
>>18109796Mouthbreathing for way too long + modern, soft food diet. Genetics also play a role.
>>18109882>He is basically one of the first guys to argue for non-eurocentric history, ironically.Very eurocentric sentence, ironically.
>>18111148You know what I meant. I know the other cuktures all had some form of 'history'. With exceptions.
>>18109194It's actually a book about the different types of mathematics and art forms throughout recorded history but it wouldn't have sold as well if Spengler just called it:"A New Approach to History in Which High Cultures are Defined According to Their Artforms, Mathematics, and Conceptions of Space-Time".
>>18108093he was a turbo-chud and didnt like the nazis because they were petty racists.
>>18111584yeah, it reminds me of what Evola said: "I'm not a fascist. I'm a super fascist."
>>18111577He was a brilliant writer. And if he wrote like a dusty stuffy professor he would have gone nowhere.It's a shame he didn't have the internet.
>>18109194I found that part absolutely beautiful as an engineer, more so when some leftoids started seething when I commented on a media channel how most people today, let alone "academics" with a university degree, won't even be capable to understand what he was talking about, it was the greatest confirmation I had in recent years on how people of marxist tendencies are promoters of mediocrity and denial of the crisis of competence.
>>18109872He influenced both Malcolm X and Lovecraft...Pic related comes to mind
>18111723>melty about muh leftoids out of nowhereDelicious.
>>18111740ywnbaw.
>>18111740>H-hahaha
>>18110427Germany's TFR was already barely above replacement when Decline of the West came out
>>18109757See >>18111746 and then for extra irony >>18111740
>>18108081He must've read numerology or astrology to reach his conclusions.
>>18111768He never denied there would still be people having children, but they will have no power, they are of the provinces. He writes elsewhere:>The" quiverful," which was still an honourable enough spectacle in the days of Werther, becomes something rather provincial. The father of many children is for the great city a subject for caricature; Ibsen did not fail to note it, and presented it in his Love's Comedy.
>>18111974And immediately after he outlines the future of the high TFR blockheads of the provinces you brag about here: >>18111746>At this level all Civilizations enter upon a stage, which lasts for centuries, of appalling depopulation. The whole pyramid of cultural man vanishes. It crumbles from the summit, first the world-cities, then the provincial forms, and finally the land itself, whose best blood has incontinently poured into the towns, merely to bolster them up awhile. At the last, only the primitive blood remains, alive, but robbed of its strongest and most promising elements. This residue is the Fellah type. Residue! The detritus of nations! Sucked of all its best qualities, only the primitive peasant remains. And the Fellaheen peoples do not have happy destinies, let me tell you. If you want to see your future, look at the Chinese, the Egyptians. Your future is a dead caste society repeating an endless conservatism, an exhausted religiosity sunken back into the mire of saints.
>>18109757>The last man of the world-city no longer wants to live—he may cling to life as an individual, but as a type, as an aggregate, no, for it is a characteristic of this collective existence that it eliminates the terror of death. That which strikes the true peasant with a deep and inexplicable fear, the notion that the family and the name may be extinguished, has now lost its meaning. The continuance of the blood-relation in the visible world is no longer a duty of the blood, and the destiny of being the last of the line is no longer felt as a doom. Children do not happen, not because children have become impossible, but principally because intelligence at the peak of intensity can no longer find any reason for their existenceThis is too scary
It just shows how overrated is actually knowing history when some random guy with no training can predict shit based on made up pseudo historical aesthetics.
>>18111985Maybe you can break away or delay the decline by not being a fedora atheist tron who tries to deconstruct everything into sums? Perhaps you may finally use your rationality to not to fuck up things at a historical scale?And now I am going to do something 4chan hates, I am going to praise the jews because they have gone through these historical phases and learned the long lesson of history, they reset the system and renewed themselves creating a new country which is the thorn in the side of the world.A similar pattern has been seen to the chinese who have turned an atheist rationalist system into an ethnic syncretic pseudo-religion.After late stage urbanite rationalism gets wiped out a possibility for re-emergence always remains.
>>18112985>Maybe you can break away or delay the decline by not being a fedora atheist tron who tries to deconstruct everything into sums?No. Decline is inevitable. Just like aging and death is.>they reset the system and renewed themselves creating a new country which is the thorn in the side of the world.They, if anything at all, only embraced Faustian civilization belatedly once it became unrooted from culture. Israel was an attempt by some of these jews to assimilate into the Faustian conception of nationhood. Geographic boundedness to a mother-land. Because there was none to be found they had to invent one.The religious Jews still enjoy their fellah world, with its meaningless ups and downs.>After late stage urbanite rationalism gets wiped out a possibility for re-emergence always remains.No re-emergence. Just a descent back into animal meaninglessness.
>>18109817>>18109872It even inspired people like Cormac McCarthy. "The Evening Redness in the West" is a direct translation of "Der Untergang des Abendlandes"
>>18113045>I think it all inevitable and we divide into zero because, uhm, logic and rationality say so, ok?Thanks for probing my point.
>>18113227Read the book.
>>18113227Btw what you want to happen (China, the Jews) is going to happen anyway so don't worry. You won't won't notice a thing about this decline.
>>18113231>>18113266I reas both volumes and Man and Technic.
>>18108081because philosophy > pure monkey brained empirical data gathering
>>18113344So what are your disagreements with his fram that make you believe Decline is reversible?
>>18113389Narrative frames aren't reality, nothing is written, what I see is a diagnosis, perhaps there is indeed no cure but faustian man should never stop trying.
>>18109194he was primarily a mathematician (or polymath more specifically) and Decline of the West was him applying mathematical methodology to history. It's not a purely History & Humanities work, but more like an attempt at using mathematical models to explain history.
>>18108081Jesus Christ Marie, they're minerals.
>>18113675>the minerals in questionhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goethite
>>18113078I remember watching the interview with McCarthy on YouTube and he brought up how much he disagreed with Spengler. Spengler was also name-dropped in Stella Maris.
>>18113493I never said they should. But this is not the type of thing you just cheat your way out of believing in God. (Which will happen again anyway because second religiosity).
>I don't know about him, so he wasn't influentialRetard.>>18109855It's obvious that he's tucking his jaw into his neck fat. He's still a jawlet but I refused to believe anyone actually has a face on their neck.
>>18114025Also how come you believe China and Israel rose again?China is just doing what it has done since the Han dynasty adapted to modern circumstances, Israel is an abortive attempt by Jews to assimilate into Faustian Culture
>>18112978Why is Spengler always so unnerving to atheists?
>>18112978Spengler consumed all the historical literature availiabe to him to write Decline. He knew and understood more history a century ago than 99% of this board does today.>>18114110What are you talking about? Spengler's philosophy is atheistic in nature, at least in the Western sense of atheism. Spengler was a resolute atheist.
>Spengler's philosophy is atheistic in natureLmfao.
>>18114110Because it points out the logical conclusion of rationalistic atheism, as seen in >>18109757 and >>18111746, it's a collective self-defeating posture in the long term. Furthermore Spengler not just points out atheism as a sterile force, but how it destroys any collective morale basis beginning with the survival of the collective, it throws away the mask of moral superiority based on atheists pointing out the natural contradictions of ALL religions and revealing the materialistic, self-indulging and chauvinistic individualism of unbelievers. In fact Harari further elaborated on regards to human belief, noticing no humanist ideology (functional religion) has any basis other that intersubjective narrative. This is why most liberals and communists would still consider a human being more valuable than a pig despite hard sciences showing there is nothing special, no quintessence or law of physics which makes one more or less objectively valuable and vital to the function of the universe than another.If it's all narratives then mine is a good as yours and more so if I have the power to sustain it longer than yours.
>>18114241May you explain why it was not?He was very open about it. Even talked to a bishop about it.
>>18114358>Even talked to a bishop about itLol when?
>>18114384>“The former Protestant regional bishop of Hamburg, Schöffel, reported in 1942 about a conversation he once had with Spengler at the home of Schlubach: >‘Doctor, if I were allowed to publish your two volumes of ‘The Decline of the West’ today, I would have known a motto I would have gladly placed above them.’ Spengler asked, ‘Which one?’ >I replied: Isaiah 40: >‘All flesh is grass, and all the goodliness thereof is as the flower of the field:The grass withereth, the flower fadeth’ - For in this prophetic word, the core idea of your culture-vision is already expressed: namely, that all life is like that of the plant, has its seasons - spring, summer, autumn, and winter - and perishes once it has reached the winter stage.’ >Then Spengler said to me, in deep seriousness: >‘Doctor, I will tell you: that was precisely my thought; for a long time I considered whether I should place exactly those words at the beginning of my book as a motto.’ >These words of Spengler moved me, and so I ventured something; I said to him: >‘And I even know, Doctor, why in the end you refrained from doing so.’ >Then he asked: ‘And why do you think that?’ I answered: >‘Because Isaiah states those words twice, and the second time he, so to speak, rescinds his doctrine of the perishability of all flesh by pointing to what endures: ’But the word of our God shall stand forever.’ And precisely this, Doctor, you cannot believe; at any rate, you do not represent it. You do not know the rebirth through the word of God, the only way to confront the death of all flesh.’ >Spengler gave me no answer; he looked at me for a long time, then walked away slowly and in silence.” ~ Anton M. Koktanek, Oswald Spengler in seiner Zeit
>>18114407And hey, you can even interpret it in a sanctimonious catholic think-tank way about the necessity of da chorch and gawd n'sheit.But Spengler himself was an Atheist.
>>18114407Though imo, you can be a theist and a Spenglerian. As long as you are too strict about Dogma.
>>18114418I imagine when walking away he was thinking somethin gamong the lines of "necessary evil".
>>18114444Did you miss the point of the quote?
>>18109778Fucking ironic considering the very suspicious circumstances surrounding his death. They likely shut him up for good because he began to talk too much shit about Adolf.
>>18115002>Spengler has occasionally been called a precursor to Nazism. As much as he hoped for a German resurgence, he didn’t like National Socialism, in part because he considered it much too proletarian. His writings are replete with derogatory quotes about National Socialism and its ideology. One short conversation with Hitler in July 1933 led to nothing. Here, Spengler erred: "I have the impression that all of this man is quite common." After 1933, he quicky grew disillusioned with National Socialism. In 1933, Spengler wrote Jahre der Entscheidung (Hour of Decision), also a prophetic book in which he foresaw another world war, the environmental catastrophe and the dissolution of all colonial empires and the rise of a new caliphat. The Nazis responded by censoring Spengler and banning his books. 3 mere years before his death
>>18115011He was a fat fuck and a smoker, in fairness. Not impossible he just had a heart attack.
>>18115011>The Nazis responded by censoring Spengler and banning his books.This never happened.
>>18115037They did Ban Hour of decision.
>>18113860The microscopic picture looks like a planet, rad.
>>18111577NGL that would be pretty good, less chuddy.
>>18114407this is so fucking kino bros, I was literally born in the wrong generation
>>18115025He was born with heart issues, it's why he wasn't drafted during WW1
>>18115530No one would know.
>>18113869McCarthy talked about Spengler in his last published interview IIRC
>>18108081Sex gifs.
Has someone here read the book?When does the Eastern Roman Empire go from Magian to Faustian, what's the turning point and why?
>>18115128>happenedEvidence.
>>18116526It doesn't go from Magian to Faustian. It goes from Apollonian (Classical) to Magian. Spengler talks about it happening during Late Antiquity when the Romans start turning to eastern mystery religions, build lots of domed structures, and start making monolithic statues of emperors with bored pupils. But in its heart the late Roman empire is still essentially a vestige of the Classical world so when Islam finally appears the whole thing gets conquered almost overnight.
>>18116526>>18116563This whole point is more iffy than his mathematics and cyclical civilization stereotype. He says in at some point that if had Antony won at Actium, Magians would not have face pseudo-morphosis, yet at the same time the persian empire continued near undistrubed. Civilizations and even cultures don't act like that, under Magian he lumps under: the Ancient Hebrews, early christians/gnostics, late western roman empire, Byzantines, Achaemenid Persia,Parthians, Nestorians, Sassanids, and finally Islam being the end point Magian imperial stage with Ummayyads/Abbassids/Seljuks/Ottomans???That whole scheme never made any real sense and Spengler does not describe religion accurately, how religions spread socially, or religious feeling at all because he is very biased from Nietzsche (who was against mere historicism btw in favor of "kairos" describing the present plane of historical time). In contrast to "Magian" I have even seen a a recent academic paper praising his analysis for the idea of the "Babylonian" civilizational dispersal and diffusion because there you have a more clearly defined region, stretching from Mesopotamia, Elam to Syria and even Asia Minor. Despite its wide spread, this is a compact area, and archeology has confirmed in recent times that very concrete mathematical ideas, architecture and religious practices had a lot in common due to the middle-east as being the crossroads of the ancient world. Spengler even smartly points out that Babylonian is the pre-cursor of Magian, but his description of Magian civilization never made any sense to me.
>>18116714The entire reason the "Magian" culture exists in Spengler is because it is the biggest glaring flaw in his historical scheme, namely that cultures can't influence each other. He clung to this silly idea for reasons unbeknownst to me, although I have my suspicions. He invented the idea of pseudomorphosis solely to protect his fabricated Magian civilization and spends a significant and overwhelmingly tedious chunk of the second volume of TDOTW defending it. I have studied Spengler for several years now and I have dropped such ideas completely because they are untenable.
>>18116791By the way, I agree that the Nietzsche in Spengler is the worst part of him. By which I mean the "blood and iron" politicism. When Spengler is Goethe, he is wonderful. When he is Nietzsche, he is irritating and silly.
>>18116791>>18116800I am that anon you are answering to and playing devils advocate for a bit. Spengler's argument hinges on the idea that Magian civilization doe not have clearly defined border and that unlike classical civilization it has omnipotent creator God. Then on that idea he builds various examples on top of it like Elegabalus and the meteorite stone worshiped in Rome, Jews in exile, Seleucids in Mesopotamia and Syria somewhat disturbing the "arabian core", Muhammad receiving the revelation in a cave at Hira, Islam reasserting the magian belief with the Kabaah etc. All of these are fine and good. However all of this is a historical narrative in which it is shaped by his overwhelming stress of "history as tragedy", Magian is explictly contrasted to the West as stressing the "will-less resignation" as its prime symbol . The tragedy of the Magian tree being cut down in its maturity is resolved only with Islam. So by historical happenstance you have two civilizations that are co-current and contrasted to one another leading to a Huntingtonian clash in middle ages and then modernity. This in turn puts the pressure on the Magians (in this case Islam) to answer against the West with an "apocalyptic time" eschatology, it breaks free from Greco-Roman civilization and then from Western/Faustian.
>>18116882This interpretation influenced some other philosophers such as Jewish theologian and philosopher Jacob Taubes in his interpretation of St.Paul and is way better than a Nietzschean interpretation of Islam vs Christianity that Spengler is somewhat guilty of adopting, basically almost Evola-like interpretation that good parts of the west are not christian. But Spengler says that Islam -rushing to conquer near east to near west is basically like a civilization realizing it is nearing its old age and its now zerg-rushing to fulfill its denied promises. This by itself makes Islam always in waiting and somewhat unique in Spengler's scheme, Islam is both unique and at once "already over" (reaches imperial stage with Seljuk Turks/Ottomans), so even in his own scheme it does not fit well with Christianity minus the previous pre-islamic elements that contributed to it (such as the nomadic Bedouins in the case of Islam). This article explains the Islamic perspective on Spengler better than I do and agrees with him: https://qawwam.online/islamic-civilization-in-oswald-spenglers-decline-of-the-west/I agree with the unique eschatology perspective, but once you get closer into it Christianity and Islam start to blur dangerously and de-liniating them gets very hard. I would argue that you can many eras in crisis that are also as much as echatological, and perhaps with things like the Atom bomb being invented or climate change affecting the living area of entire cultures, eschatology acquires a different and new actual meaning.
