If God doesn't allow for gratuitous suffering, then why did Dinosaurs suffer from parasitical infections, predation etc. 70 million years ago, long before any human moral agents or even their most distant ape ancestors existed? Do believers have any, and I mean any kind of consistent response to this? I have found none. Seems like this paradox just buckbreaks them.
Dinosaurs don't exist in any world religion.
>>18108595I like the dinosaur with 500 teeth>kek
>>18108606What do you think the Levithan and Bephmot in Job was? Hallo? Why do you think the snake in the garden of eden had legs?
>>18108613Very obviously legendary creatures swimming around in the local mythological ecosystem and derivatives from whatever animals they were interacting with. Not a single verse that'd accurately describe a dinosaur.
>>18108613I didn't know the old testament takes place 67 million years ago
>>18108620Depends on your heremenutical method. If you believe the bible is the word of god, then it makes sense G-d would know about dinosaurs and tell Job about his epic creation.
>walking snake Genesis 3 14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
>>18108669Dinosaurs didnt co-exist with humans. Snakes evolved 100 million years ago, long before dinosaurs went exist or humans existed. Dinosaurs really are your biggest enemy
>>18108674The meaning of the word snake is not the same as the modern scientific meaning of the word snake. This is shown by the fact that the snake has legs.
>>18108677You're not getting what I meant. Snakes, as we know them today, evolved from their four-legged-ancestors more than a 100 million years ago. It doesnt line up with the biblical narrative.
>>18108680You're not getting what I meant either. If you were to explain dinosaurs to an ancient hebrew, snake with legs would be a valid way. We are probably having lots of unstated different views of what the biblical narrative is and how to interpret scripture.
>>18108595>If God doesn't allow for gratuitous suffering,He does> then why did Dinosaurs suffer from parasitical infections, predation etc.They didn't>70 million years ago,Never happened.>long before any human moral agents or even their most distant ape ancestors existed? Evolution is mathematically impossible.>Do believers have any, and I mean any kind of consistent response to this? Enjoy Hell.>I have found none. Seems like this paradox just buckbreaks them.There is it. >>>/r/eddit.
>>18108685Yes, but this aforementioned snake with legs seems to have lost its legs in well-known events, whereas if we follow paleontology it existed alongside dinosaurs and simply survived them. Thats whats got me wondering.
>>18108689I actually don't know how to respond without repeating what I said earlier. We are not connecting dialectialy. Proposition 1) The meaning of the word snake in Genesis is different from the modern meaning of the word snake as used in biologyProposition 2) In order to explain dinosaurs to ancient hebrews, explaining it as snakes with legs is appropriate
>>18108685>how to interpret scripture.If you think evolving lizards is a legitimate interpretation of scripture, you need a lobotomy. Like, urgently.
>>18108713Definition 1) Concordism: Interpreting scripture in the light of new evidence from the science.Definition 2) Originalism: Interpreting scripture as it would've been understood in it's original cultural context.
>>18108721Great. My statement still stands firm, as does the King James.
>>18108625It references early creation many, many times in ways that we would not fully understand well into modernity and likely in even more ways that we do not yet understand. Genesis, for example, mentions how life began in the oceans, which is an incredibly accurate detail that the requires the authors to have gotten the info from someone that was there. The Telomere limit is mentioned obliquely and even evolution to an extent, with man being created from dust (Homo genus) and then Adam and Eve being the mother/father of modern humans (Homo sapiens). The timeline for the Bible is tricky, the story of Noah's Ark for example likely references a real cataclysmic global flood that occurred during the Younger Dryas and would have greatly raised sea levels in the Atlantic Ocean. This shifts the timetable back for the antiquity of these stories a great deal but I don't think we will ever know for certain exactly when it was, or at least we won't while we are on earth.
>>18108595Imagine unironically believing that nature obey "muh bronze age cuck-sedentary mesopotamian morality" and evolution (Zeus' constant creation) is le bad because death (to create you must change, fill, destroy the previous state). Lol, lmao even.
>>18109384The moral paradigm you are complaining about did not even exist in the Bronze age, it comes entirely from Jesus and was really expanded upon in Europe.
>>18109395>anon doesn't know shit about actual HistoryThis moral paradigm LITERALLY came from Bronze Age Mesopotamia ("muh lost paradise", "muh previous perfect state of mankind"). Judaism / Christianity stole their core from Mesopotamian myths, morals and laws. And Jesus was a symoton, the real cancer started with Socrates. Just compare Pre-Socratic Philosophy with the Post one, see how much the Hellenes fell before the final nails (Neo-Platonism, Neo-Aristotelianism, Christianity; aka "muh ideal world is le actual real one", "muh axiomas").
>>18109408>This moral paradigm LITERALLY came from Bronze Age MesopotamiaThe Epic of Gilgamesh has some syncretic elements with the OT but never really in the case of morality. The "previous perfect state of mankind" was also something that near every society had as an mythological archetype; i.e I don't think it found its origin in Mesopotamia and likely has something to do with psychology. There are books in the Bible with a neo-platonic bend to them but their epistemological similarity is contradicted by their stark ethical opposition to much of the other neo-platonic thought which existed contemporaneously. The ontology even differs most of the time.
>>18108613>What do you think the Levithan and Bephmot in Job was?>LeviathanLotan, a serpentine servant of a Ugaritic god of the sea.>BehemothBull of Heaven, aka the beast sent to attack Gilgamesh.
>>18109395Kek all the stories in the bible were stolen from mesopotamian myths by some circumcised non human kikes in the desert
>>18109448I doubt I'll convince you away from your crusade against your imagined demons but Jews, as they existed in the OT, do not really exist anymore. The Jews we have today are largely polish and/or eastern European that follow an entirely different religion and different God.
STOP ASKING QUESTIONS AND JUST WORSHIP JEWS!
>>18109459Nta but that's a stormnigger cope.
>>18109471I didn't expect to run into you Mr. Mileikow- I mean Bibi Netanyahu here!
>>18109472Says the guy worshipping the Tanakh lmao.
>>18108595According to Calvinists, he foresaw it
