Was is this primitive mud "city" considered to be some kind of achievement? It was literally a mud favela
>>18109528>Was is this Why is this
>>18109528It's impressive in the same way a monkey acting like a human is.
>>18109976I mean they go on about it's walls comparing them to the great wall of china. These fucking walls were made of mud and were simple to build absolutely no comparison here kek.The most impressive things about Benin in my opinion was the bronzes and some of their swords they looked cool but honestly I've seen a Benin bronze in my local museum and they look like something a child would make seriously.
>>18109528Noooo, you can't show that accurate picture!!!Post the drawing by some 17th century Dutch dude who never set a foot in Africa instead!!
>>18109985I genuinely can't fathom why they're considered so highly, yet we speak of the pre-Roman Celts like savages
>>18109528Gread walls of gabidal cidy :DDDDDDwe wuz gingz n shid :DDD
>>18109528Even picrel is giving it too much credit. Whwn libtards say “NOOO we’re talking about the giant walls that surrounded the city!” What they mean is a dirt mound. I’m not kidding, that’s it. It was mounds of dirt. A wall surrounded by dirt and a moat.
>>18110471According to DEI theory, they actually invented everything but other people took credit due to a highly problematic process called appropriation.You can study this if DEI admissions will let you into the university.
>>18110489>>18110503>>18110469>>18110431>>18109985You need to touch grass or something. Always the same posts and pics.
>this shit gets endless praise while the american civilizations with complex cities of hundreds of thousands are completely forgotten and most people to this day think everyone west of greenland was a hut dwelling tribesman before european contactUnfair
>>18110587The pics are absolutely on point though.
>>18110469>Post the drawing by some 17th century Dutch dude who never set a foot in Africa instead!!He worked work many European travelers, explorers, merchants and more who did and offered their direct accounts to do so. Many iconic pictures of global sites were often done in such a manner.
>>18109528benin :DD XD
>>18110841He didn't work with anyone.He gathered some explorers accounts (notably Portuguese explorers famous for exaggerating in their accounts) and imagined what it could have looked like from the descriptions.
>>18110471>yet we speak of the pre-Roman Celts like savagesAll by (((design))) picrel apparently savages built this city lmao.
>>18110841Olfert Dapper did alot of guess work though. He genuinely thought Africans were just white people with black skin, he didn't know just how barbaric and savage Africa was. Look how he had an engraver etch European style buildings in M'banza-Kongo kek. You have to be very skeptical of his work because alot of it was speculative.
>>18110984>imagined what it could have looked like from the descriptions.One interesting thing about Dapper is how accurate these towers are in his engravings. I wonder if he saw the bronze box miniature or were these just based on Portuguese descriptions? Either way these towers were real there's plenty of evidence of their existence, they most likely collapsed a century or so before the punitive expedition.
>>18110471I mean, all due respect, the pre-Roman Celts and Germanics were living about like this 2000 years ago before the Romans taught them about civilization.Any intelligent culture, when faced with a more modern enemy, quickly realizes they must move very quickly to catch up or be subjugated and perish.Most of Rome's enemies tried to catch up very quickly with their military, technological, and economic might. That's why Rome could no longer steamroll it's neighbors from about 200AD-470AD or so. Every technological, educational, and economic edge; that Rome had, had been taught to it's neighbors by that point.Africans have never sought to learn. Monkeys don't have intellectual curiosity.
>>18111250Further evidence corroborating the towers existence picrel.
>>18111253Listen you dumb ignorant fuck the Gauls had a civilization. How many times do I need to drill this into you dense fucks heads?They had massive cities picrel Bibracte. Also Manching, Entremont and many more.
>>18111253>Most of Rome's enemies tried to catch up very quickly with their military, technological, and economic might. You do realise Rome adopted a whole myriad of "barbarian" weapons and technologies right? Their famous weapons were literally copies of Celtiberian gear. This bullshit idea that Rome was far more technologically advanced then the Germans and celts needs to fucking die!!The Germanics were thousands of years ahead of Africans, they had wheels for fuck sake. Africans didn't even have hammers or belts.
>>18111278I'm gonna need proof that those were anything more than African style mud and stick huts. I'm descended from Celts and would love to claim some glorious ancient history where we were on par with ancient Rome in civilization, but I'm not gonna believe in some fictional Wakanda. It took about 1000 years after Rome's peak, for the Celtic lands to really get their shit together enough to catch up. The Celtic and Germanic lands were not really caught up until the medieval era, and that arguably may be because Rome was defeated so thoroughly.
>>18111296>18111278 (You) #>I'm gonna need proof that those were anything more than African style mud and stick hutsCan you just kill yourself you dumb ignorant mutt? Alright here we go prepare to get assraped. I'm now going to wipe the floor with you with cold hard facts and science then watch you squirm in incredulity.
>>18111250I don't see no towers on the drawing made by someone who actually went there (OP's drawing)Nor on the photos taken by the British
>I'm gonna need proof that those were anything more than African style mud and stick huts.KILL YOURSELF YOU DUMB MUTT!Bibracte at its height supported a population of up to 30,000 people. It was a CITY with artificial springs, palaces, cobblestone streets and terraced houses. It was one of many cities in Gaul such as Manching and Entremont.Jean-Claude Golvin pic related is a French architect and archaeologist, if you don't understand how he knows what ancient sites looked like that's your problem. An "argument" from incredulity is not a valid argument.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Claude_Golvinhttps://www.bibracte.fr/en/bibracte-museumYou going to deny science now?>I'm descended from Celts and would love to claim some glorious ancient history well hopefully you learn something today but seeming as you are a mutt that is very unlikely.>on par with ancient Rome in civilizationI never said that.
>>18111331>I don't see no towers on the drawing made by someone who actually went there (OP's drawing)Because the towers were made of mud and tropical wood, you really think they would last centuries? this >>18111259 corroborates Dapper's engraving. It's very obviously a miniature of those same towers.
>>18110798>posts 19th and 20th century reconstructions made with concretelmaothe fact they really do try to pass this off as the original structure in literally every single documentary is mind boggling
>>18111296>African style mud and stick hutsWhat an absolute dumb fuck you are. Your knowledge on this subject is literally derived from dumb as fuck memes showing cherry picked British longhouses. The average gallic house was rectangular with lime plaster coating on its walls with a door(some with locks) and a shingle or thatch roof. They were not even huts dumbass because a lot of them had multiple rooms and were not of a simple construction. Do you know what an open-air museum is? open air museums are built by actual experts, archaeologists and historians, they are connected to prestigious universities. These houses are recreated with care, with passion of people who have studied these ancient cultures for decades.Now show me an open-air museum in western Europe that has roundhouses. That's my challenge to you dumbass.
>>18111465The actual proof? post holes, that's all the proof I need. Post holes prove gallic houses were not round for a starters picrel.
>>18111441Another fucking idiot using "arguments" from incredulity. Are you an archaeologist? do you have a clue what you are talking about? no? stfu then
>>18111296>claim some glorious ancient historyWhy isn't this glorious? explain.
>>18109528>blacks built a wall and mudhuts>this must be the Phoenicians my favorite part of african and abo culture is that nether culture recorded their history as oral tradition and when forced to learn how to read and write they still continued to refuse to document their history or culture
>>18111296Celts independently invented vehicle suspension picrel, btw the romans did not have any kind of suspension.
>>18111296Celts also invented chain mail, horse spurs, the gallic longsword which became the spatha and ultimately the medieval longsword a thousand years later.the Irish independently developed a watermill picrel.
>>18109528They were the most superstitious and (through practice) wickedest people in Africa. The Bantu are a strange kind of people. I don't find them less intelligent than people like Nilotics or khoids, nor inherently evil or perverted like Orientalids. But they have an extraordinary weakness to superstition and 'taking ideas on'. It's no wonder they, even now, are eating albinos in Nigeria and bashing bald men's heads open to find gold in Kenya, as their relatives in the USA believe in Wakanda and a subterranean aborted fetus uprising.
>>18111296Celts built multistory stone fortresses with internal staircases called broch.
>>18111296Gauls invented a harvester called the Vallus
>>18111519The only reason they are disregarded is because we don't have any texts from them, and their languages are functionally extinct. Conversely, the only reason Scandinavians get any credit (despite doing nothing but plunder) is because Icelanders wrote a lot down.
>>18111278Interior of a gallic house in Bibracte. This reconstruction is at the Bibracte museum.
>>18111529>despite doing nothing but plunderCan you just shut the fuck up? you don't know anything about the Norse. They also had a civilization that was developed independently of the Romano-Greek world.>The only reason they are disregarded is because we don't have any texts from themThat's what archaeology is for.
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>>18111549>Can you just shut the fuck up?
>>18111557You are the one spouting the typical anti-white leftist tripe here. You have been brainwashed by pop-culture and propaganda. Again you don't know anything about the Norse.They literally civilized the Anglo-Saxons introducing the first town systems in Britain.
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>>18111587The hallmarks of civilization.>Urban Centers (Cities)Check>Centralized Government / Political OrganizationCheck>Social StratificationCheck>Specialized Labor / OccupationsCheck>Complex Economy / TradeCheck>Record-Keeping / Writing SystemsCheck>Monumental Architecture / Public WorksCheck pic related>Religion / IdeologyCheck>Arts and CultureCheck>Technological InnovationCheck(Knar cargo ships are the direct ancestors of all modern western ships, pelorus navigation device, Clinker-built hulls, sunstone and many more)>Military / DefenseCheck
>>18111600More of Aarhus
>>18111609Another important hallmark is temples. Gauls actually didn't have temples using sacred groves and trees as places of worship. The Norse had temples though picrel.
>>18109528Archaeologists dig more impressive stuff out of random hills in Anatolia.
>>18111649They even built canals and morons will still insist this was not a civilization.
>>18109528The early europeans visitors sure seemed impressed>Great Benin, where the king resides, is larger than Lisbon; all the streets run straight and as far as the eye can see. The houses are large, especially that of the king, which is richly decorated and has fine columns. The city is wealthy and industrious. It is so well governed that theft is unknown and the people live in such security that they have no doors to their houses.”
>>18111519These were more complex than they looked.
>>18111674You're leaving out the part where people would be sacrificed at random while just walking the street. This was a strange unique practice in Africa, it also occurred in the Ashanti empire and the kingdom of Buganda.>no theft Probably because you'd be instantly tortured and sacrificed to a juju god lmao
>>18111674>what happens to a thief
>>18111674Pic an area outside the city where thousands of bodies and skeletons of human sacrifice victims lay.Also >>18111709 this woman didn't do anything she was completely innocent. Women would be disemboweled then crucified alive to bring the rains back after a drought.
>>18111704>>18111709>>18111727dare I say based?
>>18111739Very different Europeans did cruel things like that out of a sense of justice and in Vlad's case justice and trauma as he was likely abused as a boy in ottoman captivity.Africans did unspeakably cruel things to completely innocent people to please their jungle gods. In Buganda they would literally boil children alive to predict the future. The kind of barbarity you could witness in pre-colonial Africa is hard to fathom.
>>18111649A farm stable with some primitive decorations. Very opulent.
>>18111709>>18111704>>18111727So suddenly whatever a white man says doesn't matter if it doesn't align with what you say? Anon you've been at this for years posting the exact same pics.
>>18111674>Great Benin, where the king resides, is larger than LisbonPortuguese explorers were so tiresome with their constant lies and exaggerations to keep their expeditions to faraway shitholes funded...The same faggots who made up the myth about cities of gold in South America.
>>18111948Exaggerated acounts from early explorers don't count when they contradict more reliable later accounts and photographic/archeologic evidences.There was never some Wakanda "larger than Lisbon" in Benin city.There was the village depicted on the pic OP posted.
>>18111779>what Nordic lived in in 1000AD>what Africans lived in in 1900s
>>18111948If a white man says he saw a dragon I won't believe him, correct
>>18111779I've already debunked your bullshit favela monkey those Norse houses despite superficial appearances are thousands of years ahead of the African huts.
>>18111948I didn't say he was lying did I? I'm just showing you the brutal realities of this "great" African kangdom.
>>18111296The Germanics had good metal works but actual advance infrastructure ? Legit no proof there are a few dry stone ruins and earth works anything you see on here is speculation to make Barbarians seem more grander than they really are>>18111549>>18111533Everything posted here was never documented by the Romans nor has surviving artifact as proof of their existence
>>18111250There is a pic of Europeans inside one of the palaces if you look at the roof you can see clearly there was a large wooden structure on top probably burned down
>>18113263What burned entirely was the roof, because it was made of straw.Pic related, that's how these buildings looked.
>>18113283>royal quarter
>>18113254>Everything posted here was never documented by the RomansAnd? archaeology is more reliable than hearsay and propaganda dumbass.>nor has surviving artifact as proof of their existenceThere's literally a surviving wooden artifact right there >>18111549 you absolute halfwit wtf hahaha.Another fucking science denying incredulous moron who want to get assraped? ok lets go!>The Germanics had good metal works but actual advance infrastructure ?Yeah here's an example the The Kanhave Canal picrel.>Legit no proof there are a few dry stone ruins and earth works An "argument" from incredulity is not an argument. If you don't understand how archaeology works that's on you being a fucking dipshit.Also you are denying the work of thousands of professional archaeologists >>18111533 that is in a famous German museum you fucking dull brained cretin. It was built by archaeologists based on ARTIFACTS, post holes and remnants of construction materials fuckstick.https://www.bibracte.fr/en/bibracte-museum
>>18113254>The Germanics had good metal works but actual advance infrastructure ?Do you consider dyks, dams, canals, drainage systems and irrigation to not be advanced? Proto-Germanic peoples were doing all that in 1700BC.
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>>18113283>Royal quarters Any proof of this ? They have a picture on top of one of the towers why would anyone lie about this
>>18113318It's unlikely that the Portuguese would just make this up, I mean there's this >>18111259 which is all the proof anyone needs.
>>18109528Benin used to be the center of the West African slave trade, so yes it was relatively rich and developed but as soon as the europeans stopped importing slaves it returned to the neolitic like any other African country
