So you're telling me God hated 99.99% of people that would ever be born before he even made them in the womb?
Mystery ways anon.
It's just an excuse to proselytise
>>18109723?
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>>18109654Calvinism is retarded.I can't necessarily confirm if Calvin himself even believed in TULIP thoughever.
>>18109911>is retarded*is based
>>18109654No, I am not telling you that. You CHOSE to sin.
>>18110809A fetus chose to sin before it was even conscious correct?
>>18110842No. Now, admit you can't read. Otherwise, this conversation is over.
>>18110849>Therefore, nothing a person does in life can change their eternal fate; salvation is a result of God's will, and those who are saved are given the grace to respond to God's call.
>>18110856Sorry, that wasn't an admission that you can't read. Try again.
If you didn't read the documents of the Synod of Dort you're not allowed to debate about Reformed theology, simple as. It's like people who think they've understood Marx without ever reading Das Kapital for themselves, 0 credibility, you're a just a larping yapper.
>>18110894>>18110902What a joke
>>18110904You lost. :)
rule number one never listen to a calvinist because you cant outright declare that God isnt all loving
>>18109654God doesn’t hate people but the course of the world was changed when the angels rebelled and after that when Eve was tempted.
>>18110953A lot of Calvinists do actually say God hates certain (most) people.
>>18110953>God doesn’t hate peopleThis is a very stupid statement. He HATES all the trash that he's sentenced to eternal torture in Hell.
>99.99%No.
>>18109771to preach
>>18109911Read the bible
>>18110962>all the trash he created btw and knew they would be trash
>>18110958God hates the reprobate in the sense of an action not an emotion, "Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated". God is without creaturely passions like emotions. God commended His love toward the elect by sending His Son to die for them, "for God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever should believe in Him would not perish, but have everlasting life" which He did not do for the reprobate, whom He hated by foreordaining to everlasting death.
>>18111056>God is without creaturely passions like emotions.Thanks for admitting that you don't care what the Bible says.
>>18111065Thanks for admitting you're an anthropomorphist
Look at these fools
>>18109654Some of God's angels got it into their heads that they would glorify God by going down to earth and breeding into existence a type of man which, because it is of the Spirit which proceeded from the Father, is a part of the heavenly kingdom, of God. Those people had the gifts, and man did they so some crazy shit with them but one thing some of them did was to embarrass the angels which created them by choosing to go on ahead and mix themselves with the other types of people to create what is sometimes called Nephilim. God was not impresses, and decided that all of them should be killed off because they're abominations and only the ones made by angelic insight were of some potential, which is why Noah was spared to give it another go.Que their creation of mesopotamian civilization and all the rest of them of importance, marked out by their belief that the ruling class is literally the product of some heavenly beings creating them through imparting them with their spirit by interbreeding with them. After some time it becomes clear that although they're mighty impressive, they're going to eventually all get mixed out of existence unless they're told they have to keep themselves and their bloodlines angelic. God decides the best solution to this problem is to begat his own direct hybrid offspring, because that way it would have authority over all people who are of God, and all the rest too of course. God's plan was for them to utilize the name of God for themselves, to unite as one body in the name of his Son with His authority to do whatever is required to ensure they don't die, have eternal life. This works good enough for some time until due to complacency and malicious sabotage, the target audience is convinced that they're not alone for whom the Son was sent and that their deaths are not important because they don't matter. So here we are.
>>18111104>Nephilim.Stopped reading.
>>18111113give them whatever name you want, as long as you know what causes such a being to exist then what you call it is not important. A rose by any other name is still a rose, or whatever.
>>18111056Which changes nothing I said, really. Although I will say that your framing makes it seem like it's just some inevitable, impersonal, fact of nature wheras it obviously is "personal" (as in there is a fault of the reprobate) at some level.>>18111104Oh great, the schizo whites only prot is here now.
>>18111128>whitesif the shoe fits, call them whatever you want as long as you understand what they are.
>>18111037Ok say 95% then.
>>18111128>your framing makes it seem like it's just some inevitable, impersonal, fact of natureThere's no such thing as nature.>as in there is a fault of the reprobateTo be sure, the reprobate shall be damned on account of his failure, but the decree of reprobation in no way rejected them because of some failure, for failure the elect and the reprobate have in common, and as the elect were not chosen in any way for anything they had done, but according to the purposes of God, so also the reprobate.
>>18111128https://voca.ro/1kwoChxjlEec
>>18111149You take 1 Timothy 2 to only be talking about the elect too? Because it doesn't seem to specify this.>>18111158I'm nordic.
>>18111204Yes, the elect distributed through every stratum of society and every kind of person.Note that our Lord expressly did not pray for all men but only the elect (John 17:9) and there are some whom we are expressly not to pray for (1 John 5:16)
>>18111221John 17:9 is talking about the 12. It says only one (Judas) has been lost, wheras obviously he wasn't the only follower of Jesus who fell away, although, John 17:20-23 is a more general prayer.>1 John 5:16Well yeah, but it doesn't actually say what level of sin we're talking about here or give any details.
1. Those flames just got...a) Warmerb) Colderc) Hotterd) Extinguished2. I hope you enjoy...a) A fulfilling lifeb) Burningc) Jannahd) Spirit prison3. And the only faithful biblical text is...a) KJVb) NIVc) The Jefferson Bibled) The book of Mormon
>>18111297>John 17:9 is talking about the 12John 17, the entire high priestly prayer, is for the elect. Jesus expands the prayer "I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but" those for whom He did not pray? No, "for those also who believe in Me through their word". He prayed indeed for His disciples at verse 9, but His prayer was expanded to include not only them but also all the elect, yet He prayed not for the world.>It says only one (Judas) has been lost, wheras obviously he wasn't the only follower of Jesus who fell awayNo, Judas was the only one given to Him who perished. To be given to the Son is not to be "a follower of Jesus", it is to be chosen by the Father before all ages, died for by the Son upon the cross, and called by the Holy Spirit; it is to be one whom He has given the glory which the Father gave to Him (verse 22), those of whom He shall lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day. Though Judas was not given to Him in the very same way, but uniquely as the son of perdition.>Well yeah, but it doesn't actually say what level of sin we're talking about here or give any details.1. What possible relevance the "level of sin" could have to this point of discussion I do not know 2. The sin is manifestly blasphemy against the Holy Spirit 3. The reason they are not to be prayed for is because one who has committed the unforgivable sin is evidently a reprobate and not one of God's elect, so He has no intent to their salvation
>>18111561> The Jefferson BibleWhy on't American patriots larp as Unitarians or Deists, since 99% of the Founding Fathers belonged to these denominations/beliefs rather than a form of Christianity where the divinity of Jesus is acknowledged?
>>18111675>99% of the Founding Fathers belonged to these denominations/beliefsno
>>18109654People are really good at coming up with elaborate cosmological etiologies for their sense of smug superiority.
>>18111711Ok not 99%, its Sputnik news. But not most, only a few, certainly not the majority. Roger Sherman was the only one ive read CONFIDENTLY claim he believed in Christ's divinity. So even devout Christians like John Jay or Samuel Adam's are basically a tossup on Christ's divinity.
>>18111747>why weren't these politicians theologians regularly commenting on theology?
>>18111775>you must be a theologian to recognize Jesus as God
>>18110962God prefers humans over angels that's why Jesus is a human being. That was the direct cause of the rebellion of Samyaza and 1/3rd of the angels. Humanity is the point of creation.
>>18110902Funny how you won't even say that OP is wrong.
>>18112475Your story doesn't make sense because you're a heretic clinging to false ideas, blind and unable or unwilling to even discern any difference between the light and the dark.
>>18109654Doesnt matter. Already know other universes/dimensions exist. If I leave this one due to insufferable managers I won't be too nostalgiac of it. You all can keep your shitshow one way or another. I know I never bothered a soul. Not in any way remotely genuine. Most people who have ever transgressed did so out of duress or coercion, if not all. Should they do right by others? Always. But I am not going to take blame for what is obviously scripted, and can see coming from a mile away through my days here. If you call doing that to beings true power you'll call anything power.
>>18112995Nothing I've said is heretical.
>>18113621Bible says angels came down to fuck, and by so fucking, create upon the earth a race or races of man that are of God.
>>18111561C, B, A. Easy.
>>18109654When did he ever say that he hated everyone? Are you assuming just because people are sent to hell that means that he hates him. God does not send anyone to hell, if someone goes there, they go by their own free choice. If God did not love the world, he wouldn’t have sent his own son to die on the cross for the sins of humanity.Don’t let your own depression or other others interpretations of it miss guide you from what is truth. God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten son that’s whomever believes, and has faith in him shall not die, but have eternal life in the kingdom of heaven.
>>18114291>God does not send anyone to hell, if someone goes there, they go by their own free choice.God also sends them there.
>>18114291According to Calvinists God hates some people yes, see: >>18111056
>>18109654Would you feel like you can be evil if the answer is yes?
As an outsider, christianity is obviously some kind of death cult worshipping an executioner's tool who seem to have the sole agenda of producing and harvesting souls.Prove me wrong.
>>18114356Not sure what you mean by that.
