Were Gravettians the first BBW lovers in history?
>>18109806>Gravettian prognathism refers to the condition of a projecting jaw, often associated with the Gravettian culture
>>18109848Gravettians were Caucasoid Europeans not groids.
>>18109806She's thicc af, wonder how big she's going to get
>>18109806That figurine is probably stylised. I doubt that women could get that thick 30,000 years ago, I mean cro-magnons were well fed but not that well fed.
>>18109806We can never really know what the statues actually mean. But for whatever it's worth, the sexual desirability of overweight to obese women is historically attested in several cultures from around the world. In Africa and Oceania, chiefly.>>18109952Tbh you need to live an actively sedentary lifestyle and eat a lot of starchy/fatty/sugary foods to get to those weights, not just be well fed. They are not really attainable for a mobile hunter gatherer population.Pastoralists and Agriculturalists could get to those weights though.
>>18109972Fattening practices are not women only, though. A few cultures ritually fatten men up, for whatever reason.
>>18109972Hunting and gathering was a bit different in the Pleistocene though. There was so much more large animals(megafauna). you can't compare cro-magnons to present day hunter-gatherers because the modern day doesn't have anywhere near the same biomass that existed at that time well it does actually but in the form of domestic animals and humans.Cro-magnons were actually taller on average than modern Europeans no joke because there was so much food especially protein.But again obesity is a stretch, I'm sure there were some fat women but not obese.
I hate the way ice age people are depicted in popular culture like they were these braindead neanderthals. In reality they were pretty advanced actually the Magdalenan and Gravettian peoples were definitely the high tech most advanced people's of their age. European genius was there from the beginning.
>>18110003I mean some of these figurines are extremely high quality especially considering they are tens of thousands of years old.
>>18110008Forgot to attach the pic
>>18109995I agree, mostly. Hunter gatherers even two hundred years ago are not a useful guideline. Aside from species extinction, they also exclusively reside within marginal areas because they were pushed out of everywhere else by farmers and pastoralists.>But again obesity is a stretch, I'm sure there were some fat women but not obese.Yeah, especially with meats. Though if they focused all their efforts to fatten one woman up I could see her becoming obese.>>18110003Magic Soil theory.
>>18109952>>18109972The Venus of Willendorf statuette is stylized, there is literally no way it isn't. I think we can generously consider that some scant tribes of paleolithic peoples could've had certain diets that lent to bigger bodies...but really, probably not. Certainly not to the proportions depicted. It's just a tribal fertility totem. Some shaman's gooner material he probably had people crank their hog in front of before having sex to increase the chance of having a kid or something.
>>18110012Honestly you wouldn't get paintings as realistic and life like as this until the Roman era. And for some reason our culture likes to make these people look like stupid apemen pisses me off.
>>18110024Look how beautifully detailed this spear thrower(atlatl) is. This is Europe anons, Europeans have always been masters of culture and technology for tens of thousands of years. It's in our blood to create, conquer and push humanity into the future.>Inbf they were black They were dark skinned Caucasoid people. They weren't black fuck off, they actually looked more like jeets, injuns or Arabs all Caucasoid or quasi-Caucasoid(injuns)
>>18110037This is not a black woman, she looks like an injun.
>>18110042Whether the left likes it or not these are the ancestors of white people. Using their dark skin to discredit our claim to our own land doesn't make sense because they are our ancestors.
>>18110047They actually contribute very little to the genetics of modern Europeans.
>>18109806Yes.>The Gravettian culture is known for their artistic works including the famous Venus figurines, which were typically carved from either ivory or limestone. Judging from their remains though, their women weren't BBWs, Gravettian males were relatively tall and slender, and their females short and with a normal weight for their height.>Male Gravettians stood, on average, between 5 ft 10 in and 6 ft 2 in (179–188 cm), with a mean height of approximately 6 ft (183.5 cm). This made them exceptionally tall for their time, significantly taller than other ancient populations. >They were fairly slender and normally weighed between 67–73 kilograms (148–161 lb), although they would likely have had a higher ratio of lean muscle mass compared to body fat in comparison to modern humans as a result of a very physically active and demanding lifestyle. The females of the Gravettian were much shorter, standing 158 centimetres (5 ft 2 in) on average, with an average weight of 54 kilograms (119 lb).Where's the brazilian bunda poster? You know, the one who always posts his face, he's highly knowledgeable in this subject.
>>18109972It's only a matter of time until feederfags learn about the fattening rituals and start commissioning artwork, though.
>>18110052Litterally 50% of northern European DNA is from western hunter gatherers and the other half comes from eastern hunter gatherers. In the ice age was there even much of a difference between western and eastern hunter-gatherers? I very much doubt it.We come from them we didn't just sprout from the ground.
>>18110052What's the actual relationship between modern Europeans and the Upper Paleolithic European groups, both pre- and post-LGM? Do you have the actual % data?>Analysis of genomes of GoyetQ2-related Magdalenians suggest that like earlier Cro-Magnon groups, they probably had a relatively dark skin tone compared to modern Europeans. A 2023 study proposed that relative to earlier Western European Cro-Magnon related groups like Goyet Q116-1-related Aurignacian and the Western Gravettian associated Fournol cluster, the Goyet-Q2-related Magdalenians appear to have carried significant (~30% ancestry) from the Villabruna cluster (thought to be of southeastern European origin, and sharing affinities to West Asian peoples not found in earlier European hunter-gatherers) associated with the Epigravettian.>Pre-LGM Gravettian-associated groups from central Europe (Věstonice cluster) differ genetically from post-LGM Magdalenian-associated groups from both central and western Europe (which also form a genetic cluster coined Goyet Q2)
>>18110087No. I'm even being generous here and using pure ANE instead of EHG since EHG is 25% WHG.
I can't post the pictures here, and I don't know seriously it's taken, but there's a theory that the venus figurines were made by pregnant women from their point of view. It explains the exaggerated proportions and the underdeveloped legs, as looking down they'd perceive their stomachs and breasts to be rounder than they really are.
How accurate is this data?>WesternHunterGatherers(WHG) breakdown->64.04% Gravettian>27.53% Dzudzuana>8.43% ANE>Blue eyes, pale skin and blond hair all evolved in ANE. WHG have small amounts of ANE admix which is also how R1b-L754 got into Villabruna. WHG can be modeled as <10% ANE + half Gravettian + half a component closest related to AHG.
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>>18110102Most sources say northern Europeans have 20-40% western hunter-gatherer. Wtf is your graph even showing?
>>18110119It was a woman who never saw another human in her life and never encountered a water source?
>>18110126When sculpting, or making any art, you'd want a model you can keep looking back at as a reference, and it's a lot easier to just use yourself. Bodies of water are even worse because they show a slanted, distorted angle and can be disrupted by ripples.
>>18110124It peaks at 27% in Latvians. Scandis have 20-21%, Basques 20% and Angloids 19%. But in North Euros it comes in chunks because it's mixed together with EHG/SHG/BHG, so Basques have the highest direct amount.
>>18110102Damn, didn't expect latvians to have so little EEF ancestry, no wonder they look so distinct, even to other north euros
>>18110119>anime avatar>feminist userOpinion discarded.That "theory" is from Current Anthropology Vol. 37, Self-Representation in Upper Paleolithic Female Figurines byLeRoy McDermott, it's not confirmed, far from it.>"under-the-arm" view of own buttockslmao, it seems like the Upper Paleolithic woman">under-the-armImao, it seems like the Upper Paleolithic "woman" who made that was like the character from The Exorcist instead.
>>18110124>Most sources say northern Europeans have 20-40% western hunter-gathererIt's nowhere near 40%, most Europeans have less than 10% "direct" WHG ancestry, plus the admixture of WHG-related DNA present in the EHGs, most Europeans are probably less than 20% WHG overall.
>>18110119>>18110133I love dipshits giving their opinion when they're apparently unaware that dozens of representations of obese women from various angles and styles existed.
>>18110317By the way, the Willendorf figurine is made of limestone, but the one from Hohle Fels is carved out of mammoth ivory, like other ivory figurines of hunted big game such as stags, horses and of course mammoths. If you know anything about human psychology it's obvious that a man must have made it. It was also found alongside a massive (19 cm) stone phallus.
>>18109859How many other "caucasoids" are prognathic?You've your theory I got mine.
>>18109806This is a beauty standard only in America really and only really because of our black population. The woman from 2010 is already nearing garishly over proportioned to most, not saying she is necessarily fat but just an overly large backside. So no, Gravettian beauty standards won't make a come back.
>>18109806only white men call them fat btw
>>18109806A dark theory is that they fattened them up for cannibalizing.Paleolithic people alternated between periods of food abundance and near starvation. One of the reasons was that they had no technology yet to preserve a lot of food (such as meat they got when they found a herd of large beasts). The best way to preserve calories was to eat all the food they could to store it as their own fat.Just as today, some people were able to overeat and gain weight more than others, and they realized they could be valuable as emergency food. So in periods of abundance they were made to overeat and become as obese as possible. Women would fill this role for reasons connected to pregnancy. Pregnant woman can gain weight quickly, and also, women spent less time hunting and gathering than men because they stayed at home when pregnant and nursing a child. So a woman becoming obese to such a level that it hindered them working was a smaller loss than a man doing the same (and the fat women could still be mothers).This may sound barbaric to us but archeological evidence shows that cannibalism was widespread in the Paleolithic. People lived in nomadic tribes where starvation was a real danger, and they didn't even had livestock yet. The only thing they could bring with themselves when migrating were more people. So some of them were basically turned into human livestock that can be eaten in case of emergency. This was considered a noble sacrifice, and statues were made of them to honor them, hence the Venus figures.
>>18110591I like this theory but to my understanding most human populations that remained into the modern day got a sort of adaptation to at the very least be disgusted by the prospect of eating human meat. It makes sense because cannibal tribes have a sort of in-built depletion mechanic associated with their "cultural" expression and can very quickly find themselves with too small a population. Prion diseases would also be a concern no?
>>18110724There is basically no historic record of any tribe getting regular nutrition from cannibalism. As in, no one ever hunted people the same way they would hunt animals. Humans were only ever eaten for ritual purposes (funeral rites, human sacrifice etc.) or as a last resort for survival. Regardless, lots of paleolitic human bones have signs of cannibalism. This was most likely done for survival, as this can be found accross cultures and it's unlikely that many cultures just independently had spiritual beliefs about eating human flesh. So when the same people also did Venus statues, it's not impossible that the two things were connected.
>>18109806They were high test due to their diet and lifestyle, probably genetics too
>>18110369Show me evidence that they were prognathic. Of course Caucasoids can have prognathism dumbass we all came from Africa didn't we?
>>18109806I'm a girl. How do I fatmaxx like this?
>>18110591Cannibalism was not common in the palaeolithic stop believing dumb pop culture tropes. This is like the ogga booga cave man banging a female on the head with a club to have sex with her it's dumb and not based in reality at all.>People lived in nomadic tribes where starvation was a real dangerAgain you're thinking of 19th century to present day hunter-gatherers. There was food in abundance in the Pleistocene there was no need for cannibalism when it occured it was probably ritual. Cannibalism was mostly practiced by tropical tribal societies like those in the Amazon, Central Africa, Northern Australia and south east Asia not nomadic hunter-gatherers jesus Christ will you stop thinking history is some holywood set.
>>18110825>hunted people the same way they would hunt animalsThis is false to a degree there were instances of this in New Zealand, Australia and parts of Africa not only that but there is evidence that the maoris were farming humans for meat in the 17th century. There's also definitely accounts of Australian aboriginals hunting each other for food.
Is it now allowed to post pornography here without consequences? Many of these videos are IRRELEVANT to the topic of the thread and are posted by the same person. So, is this now allowed?
>>18109806Source on pic?
>>18110825I would also wonder about prion diseases then too, would that not be another mediating factor in this behavior's expression amongst different populations? Maybe that is how the cannibalism was showing up in their skeletons however.
>>18111004You think anyone moderates this website after the sharty hack, especially do you think anyone moderates this board? Obviously not.
>>18110139The Balts have the most direct WHG, not the Basques
>>18110968drink 3% milk and eat healthy fats like bbq pork belly
>>18111010its Mal Malloy how do you not know this?!, is this your first day on the internet young man?
>>18111393Bzzt. Wrong. They have BHG which is a EHG-WHG mix with its own unique drift.
>>18109806its interesting how on the complete opposite side of the world in japan they were also getting down with thick PAAG baddies
>>18111423I think the european venuses are just attempting to depict a really fat ass rather than a belly. it's just that the way they're carved means it looks like a belly.
>>18111428yeah the A in the acronym is for ASS
>>18111408Damn she lost weight.
>>18111423>>18111428That statuette has a pretty normal amount of belly flab for a woman post-pregnancy,
>>18111494Those aren't really normal proportions though, I've seen lots of fat women and skinny women and post partum women, the distribution on both the Japanese statuette and the the Venus of Willendorf are almost inhuman. I'm sure it could exist but it seems to be some kind of not quite physical entity in both cases, especially considering the strange head covering being worn by both.
>>18111514>>18111514i know women who are built like the jomon venus except their butt cheeks are rounded at the back rather than the strange convex slope of the figurine
>>18110724>>18111329The prion disease risk has been vastly overstated. Disease-causing prions can develop through random mutation but they are very rare. Also a lot of people have genetic immunity to prion disease.>A team led by Michael Alpers, a lifelong investigator of kuru,[14] found genes that protect against similar prion diseases were widespread, suggesting that such endocannibalism could have once been common around the world.
>>18109806Ozempic is threatening to take our BBWs away from us, we simply cannot let this happen bros
>>18109806>tldr
>>18109859yeah bro that looks just like me a blonde gracile twinkcel!! we wuz hunta gatherers!
>>18112737Caucasoid doesn't mean white people dumbass Arabs and even native Americans to a lesser degree are Caucasoid.
>goon thread>on /his/not the first time but always peculiar
>>18111423Would.
>>18111423That's a Jomon Venus, a type of dogū, which also includes the Shakokidogū, a figure still somewhat relevant in the modern japanese media / culture, it's the inspiration behind the Pokemon Baltoy and the Digimon Shakkoumon for example.>The Jōmon Venus (縄文のビーナス, Jōmon no Bīnasu) is a dogū, a humanoid clay female figurine from the Middle Jōmon period (c. 2500 BC), discovered in 1986 in Chino, Nagano Prefecture, Japan. It was designated a National Treasure in 1995, the first Jōmon-period artifact to be so designated.About the dogū:>Dogu (Japanese: 土偶; IPA: [doɡɯː]; literally "earthen figure") are small humanoid and animal figurines made during the later part of the Jōmon period (14,000–400 BC) of prehistoric Japan.[a] Dogū come exclusively from the Jōmon period, and were no longer made by the following Yayoi period. There are various styles of dogū, depending on the exhumation area and time period.I wonder how much the migration of other Asiatic groups that led to the Yayoi, then Kofun periods, changed the preferences of the Japanese archipelago males in addition to changing the overall genetic profile (modern Japanese are roughly ~15% Jomon-like, maybe a little more), although the physical traits observed in those Jomon Venus figurines still exist there.
>>18109806Simple explanation is that having a morbidly obese woman in your tribe that you venerate was a status symbol. We have so much extra food and our tribe is so well-organized that we have a morbidly obese woman among us. Get on our level.
>>18113009Won’t the coomers
>>18110076Source is redheadsweetheart/Bambi doe
>>18109859Wtf is up with her chin lol
>>18114257Joanna Dark nu-look…
>>18114240sorry to be "that guy" but thats actually colorsofautumn. but bambidoe also fits the venus phenotype
Goodnight bump
>>18114257Robust palaeolithic people they were chads
>>18109952Maybe they had one BBW the whole civilization worshipped at a time, kind of like an oracle? They had very large annual migration ranges.
>>18115075I can see them fattening some girl by feeding them sweet veggies, fruits and fatty meat and other things constantly in a sort of religious or spiritual way. So their were occasional BBWs every hundred miles or so.
>>18113359This doesn't make much sense, tribes were relatively isolated from each other and mostly met up for practical reasons like trade. Status symbol start showing up later with more complex societies and politics. Also the statues seem kind of pointless if the actual women were the status symbols.The religious explanation is still the strongest. There was probably some widespread godess cult and these were its idols.
>>18115694It would be pretty hot if these societies quite literally worshipped women.
>>18110171sauce?
>>18110020You don’t think they figured out how to go above 2k calories a day and vegetate their women to the greatest extent possible?Hogging up a woman isn’t hard if the guy is bringing back a deer a day
>>18109806She was perfect in 2010...>>18110047That recreation looks pajeet
>>18110545Because only white men arent hungry nowadays I guess. All others are still starving
>>18112526>>18112701>A grand pawg crusade, that would reach the ends of creation!Fridge of Sargeras 7.2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixtWdYkJbdE
>>18116577Rather have a herd of cows and feed her an all diary diet.
>>18110102EEF were 60% WHG, how do these things even determine what eef is
>>18116224>>18114583>>18110171>>18110141>>18110111Reminds that woman are whore
>18109806>18110076>18110094>18110111>18110141>18110171>18114583>18116224Imagine them sitting on your face and forcing you to smell the braps
>>18117104Where is those brown stain?
