>cheat when he's leading by 20 pointswhat the fuck was his problem?
He was a paranoid retard after the double-whammy of losing the presidency to skinny-ankles Kennedy and then the governorship of California to a dude with the same name as his wife.
>destroys the ethnic makeup of the US forever by extending an unconstitutional amendment passed during the military occupation of the south to Hispanics which have no legacy in the US effectively opening US borders to dysgenics forever
>>18110634>opening the US to dysgenicsYou should be glad considering you are one /pol/tranny
>>18110641But I'm the same race as the founders? An actual American. What does that make you, a pretender? A brown seether?
>>18110662>muh raceLmfao only dysgenics make this their entire claim to success in life, you tranny
>>18110671Right there's not massive amounts of evidence to the contrary
>>18110634My family pays for your welfare while you shitpost on your government phone all day. You're welcome.
>>18110684What the fuck are you even talking about>be you, a tranny>see Nixon thread>AAAHHHHHH I LITERALLY HAVE TO MAKE THIS ABOUT BROWN PEOPLE OR I'LL GO INSANE AAAAHHHHH>>>/pol/tranny
>>18110688Your brown family pays taxes to a socialist pretender state strapped to the back of white people?
>>18110581Most, if not all, of the illegal stuff was happening out of the same unit; the white house plumbers which had Howard Hunt acting like he was still in the CIA; Gordon Liddy acting like he could finally join the Wehrmact; and officially run by by a fairly young guy (Bud Krogh) who spent so much time looking up that he lost track of his own department. In terms of direction, Nixon created his own mess by insisting that 'things be done' without caring one way or the other how (though part of him almost certainly would have thought that it would be done in a way which was technically legal as a government act).The big mess started when the crew was caught breaking into the Watergate office. Howard Hunt's white house phone number was bad; but worse was the fact that these numbskulls had used the same crew for not only the watergate, but a ton of other illegal stuff they didn't want to leak.Then Dean and Haldeman found out about it; and (wanting to keep it from becoming a public scandal), covered for their lower staff; which itself became another crime. Then, after everyone was implicated, they took it to nixon, who tried to cover for every too. And that's what did him in
>>18111184Incredibly rare accurate and trvthnvked Nixon post
>>18111243A funny story, told in several parts in this recording from the nixon tapes:https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/576/conversation-576-005the tldl:> Nixon wanted to find out if there was any dirt on a reporter at CBS (not Dan Rather or Walter Cronkite)> So they ask the FBI if they have any information on him> The FBI doesn't, but they don't want to admit that they don't, so they start a quick investigation> That starts with them interviewing people AT CBS> one guy asks why they're asking questions, and the FBI replies with the standard line that "he is being considered for a top level administration position"> Word of this leaks out to a few people, eventually Pat Buchanan(a nixon guy)> Buchanan then goes storming in to someone's office saying "what the hell you hiring that guy for???"> Nixon and Haldeman get a laugh out of the whole thing
>>18111390correction: Nixon's people wanted to know information about the reporter. Nixon was told after the fact in this story
>>18111184What did him in was Dean being married to essentially an Epstein whore.
>>18111474No, I disagree with that theory. Liddy tried pushing it for a long time, but liddy also had reason to dislike dean.
>>18111606is that why dean got a sweetheart deal with the media, became a rich banker and moved into beverly hills or wherever
>>18111629My position on dean has changed over time. At the time it happened I (like many if not most people) viewed dean as a sell-out, someone who betrayed his boss for his own gain.But the older I got, and the more I learned about the people in the administration, the more I started to believe that Dean may not have been entirely wrong to believe that he was being set up to take the fall on everything. Most, if not all, of nixons people were caught up in it in one way or another; but most were also either very long-term aides/friends (like Haldeman or Mitchell), or in too much direct knowledge to be double-crossed (like Liddy or Hunt).So in walks dean, who is the new guy, who doesn't have long-standing ties to nixon, and who doesn't have enough info to be dangerous. That leads us to the whole "you write it all up for me and put your signature below" conversation between Nixon and Dean; which had enough of a look like a set-up to send dean into the arms of the special council.The media loved him for the same reason the media loved Albert Spear at the end of world war two: when investigating/documenting a bad situation, you give preferential treatment to the people who express some form of regret (real or not) and those who tell the whole story
>>18111646I don't know she seems like a spook, way to attractive to be with Dean. Her dad was a diamond seller that died when she was 17? She went from being a stewardess to being hired for a presidential commission on the war on marijuana?
>>18111691I know nothing about her father other than the LA times article from 87. That says her father was a diamond setter, not seller. He could have been both; but being a setter can be done as an employee, not the owner of a diamond business.And of course she got cushy jobs after watergate, because she was on the 'friendly list' for the media along with her husband.But I don't think anyone really knew her before she made her appearance sitting behind her husband. As for her being too attractive, maybe, but Dean was also a "Counsel to the President" at the time they started dating, and that makes him more attractive
>>18111731>she got cushy jobs after watergateThis is before watergate, of course the subject of dean and her's relationship before watergate would be the most important part. If liddy is telling the truth that is, that she was a high tier escort spy.
>>18111743Ya but I don't know that little can be trusted. He's the kind of guy who looks one thing on the surface, but something else the more years you hang around him.He made some claims and there was a lawsuit, which I think was dropped. It may have been dropped for a combination of cost and free speech issues; but Liddy rolled with it claiming that it was dropped because the story was true.But liddy also had more than a few screws loose too.
>>18111753Though I would also trust news articles more than my memory on the Dean vs Liddy lawsuithttps://www.cbsnews.com/news/liddy-case-dismissed/
>>18111753right liddy was a mad dog for the republican party, his plans he concocted aren't that different from anti communist CIA units in the US
>>18111765Liddy was kind of a wanna-be; and at least one of his famous self-egrandizing stories was stolen whole cloth from the film "Lawrence of Arabia"Liddy's personality can best be understood by his being young and lonely, and his only real 'friend' being a German nanny who talked a lot about how great Hitler was; and who was eventually fired by Liddy's father for being too pro-Hitler.He was attracted mostly to the strength/superman concepts (which he attempted to use as a youth to build himself up), but also by sale of the organizational skills of the nazi party.He approached his job as an order follower; going as far as to volunteer to be murdered so all the blame for watergate could be blamed on him, if need be.He was also pissed because Dean talked, and got off nearly scott free, while liddy refused to talk, and was punished well beyond what would normally apply to someone convicted of the crimes he was convicted of. As far as liddy's theories; once he started doing the radio thing, he was more like Alex Jones than anything else; and was in a constant battle to re-write the history of watergate to make himself (and nixon) the hero of the story
>>18111796lawrence of arabia is basically what the cia does
>>18111765Also, a lot of the liddy legend (true or made up), was built up via his 1980 autobiography; and his 1980 playboy interview. There was a pretty hokey made-for-TV movie of his autobiography, with Robert Conrad playing liddy:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biO1z2NkYco
>>18111803No, what I meant was:> Liddy famous for doing a demonstration, something he did on at least 2 occasions> would hold his hand above the candle, until the hand started burning> said the trick was not caring that it was burning.Which was a rip-off of this scene from the 1962 film Lawrence of Arabia:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2tQ1qvGNC8
>>18110581Nothing, he was framed.
>>18111817I don't know why you're trying so hard to discredit him, he had family that were feds
>>18111841Liddy? Family? Liddy himself was an FBI agent
>>18111845right so it's not like he was a complete flunky, incoherent retard which is often what the left try to say about anybody involvedwhich is common with cover ups
>>18111853being in a high position doesn't make you any less crazy.
>>18111861Think about the entire narrative, how everyone involved is painted like a moron, that's usually done so you don't pick up on what was actually going on. The fact that they were all cubans 100% means there was something else going on, even if it was some overzealous thing
>>18111865Not at all, they were smart at things they knew how to do; but stupid at crime, because they were all inexperienced with crime.Two examples:1. When they broke into Feldings office, they were supposed to leave no trace. The mission was approved with the assumption they would leave no trace. But they guy trying to unlock the filing cabinet did such a poor job, breaking the lock, they had to go with a quick backup plan of trashing the office to make it look like 'drug users looking for a fix' even though most drug users would probably know that the psychologist office didn't often keep drugs in it.2, Dean's own words, in the march 73 conversation where he tells nixon they were being blackmailed at it might cost a million dollars:> people around here are not pros, this is something the mafia can do; washing money, getting clean money, things like that, we just don't know about those things, we're not criminals, we're not in that businesshttps://www.nixonlibrary.gov/media/audio/tape-march-21-1973-you-could-get-million-dollars
>>18111882weren't they intrinsically connected to the mafia
>>18111891I know, but I was making this point:> if they looked like idiots committing crimes, it's because they were, they were amateurs at crime.>>18111865As far as the cubans, those were brought in by Hunt. They were looking for people they could trust to do the 'rat fucking'; and they were former associate's of Hunt looking for a paycheckThis goes back to what I was saying about them also using the same team for multiple missions, which was their undoing. When the Watergate burglars were caught, they might have rode it out; but because the same people were involved in the felding breakin, the campaign money laundering, and the CIA business in Cuba, them getting caught at one thing (watergate) opened them up to be caught on everything else; since it was, again, the same people used for multiple missions
>>18111900CIA connections to one of the former Mob bosses of Cuba, which were allies in the CIA bay of pigs invasion
>>18111910Ya but everyone was CIA connected in those days. Hunt was originally brought in to scour the pentagon papers for anything good. He did OK at that, so they moved him over to Creep where he was giving his own thing. Hunt then brought in the others. In total, I think 4 out of the 6 people arrested were CIA at some point
>>18111922Liddy's talking about actual spooks when he's referring to the blackmail
>>18111926no, the blackmail was coming from hunt. That hunt was former cia was secondary.That being said, I've come to believe that the CIA was aware of the white house taping system, and had tapped into it near the secret service lockers where the tape recorders were stored.This is not a completely wild idea; since there was already at least one spy inside the white house (yeoman radford, spying on nixon and stealing documents for the joint chiefs); and Nixon's real problems didn't start until after September 18, 1971; the date (see nixon tape 576-006) where Nixon expressed his desire to pressure helms and the CIA into giving up what would later be called the 'family jewels'.> side note, that conversation is also the origin of "the whole bay of pigs' line/threat which Oliver Stone misunderstood in his film Nixon
>>18111934Specifically, hunt was threatening, saying that he wanted money to pay of the cuban burglars; and that they wouldn't keep quiet without being paid, at least their legal expenses
>>18111934If Dean was getting blackmailed by a CIA prostitute then that would have been an undisclosed third interest in watergate. Why would Liddy lie about that? There was very obviously some shadow government stuff going on with watergate
>>18111941I don't know you, I don't know how old you are, I don't know if your beliefs are based on what you remember, or what you've heard.But you need to understand the kind of people we're talking about here. Hunt, for example; lied on his deathbed confession, just to screw with someone from beyond the grave. Liddy, while correct on a few things, was a complete loose screw.The whole 'maureen dean was a prostitute' story started later, as a way for the people who fucked it all up to claim that they didn't fuck it up, that people were working behind the scenes to tank them. It's BS, just like when former staffers of Biden get out there claiming that they were somehow out of the loop on stuff that matters.And in this case, Liddy was the weak link in most of the problems. It was his (And hunt and McCords) screw-ups which got them caught. It was liddy, promising far more than he could deliver, which got them caught. In other words, I am of the opinion that liddy was simply trying to save what remained of his own reputation, after the fact, to excuse his own many failures in the various operations.But you can talk 'if's and "maybe's" and "would have's" all you want; while the clear evidence is pretty clear evidence of what really happened
>>18111955Liddy is right that it was Dean that sold out the entire administration. And because he did that he became a wealthy banker and got his own miniseries and moved to beverly hills. Now, did the shadow government sweeten the pot?
>>18111962His spook stewardess wife with no background that ditched him as soon as it was over is just icing on the cake
>>18110634You're welcome Yankees.
>>18111962that's crap; and you should know it, even if you don't. Dean wasn't innocent in the situation. He was read into it pretty early. But, once he figured out that he was being set up as the patsy, he turned states evidence. And has been the truth from before then until now, the person who flips first gets the best deal.It was probably all over when Butterfield revealed the existence of the taping system. Butterfield wasn't involved in anything, so he had no reason to lie or cover. He wasn't going to mention the system unless asked, and he was asked. I just think your entire set of opinions (if you're the same person I've been replying to) are contrary to the known facts of the events in question. For people above a certain age, Watergate was a spectator sport; we all listened to the tapes; we all knew the back stories of the people involved; we all played the "who is deep throat" right up until the moment he was unmasked. I haven't looked it up, but my memory is that they went into the Watergate because they were worried about the dems knowing about Nixon's secret donations from Howard Hughes. They made it in and out the first time, but the microphones they put in didn't work; so they went back in and got caught.And they got caught in the most stupid way. One they picked the lock downstairs, they put tape on the door, like delivery men would occasionally do. But they put the tape on in the wrong direction; and then were stupid enough to put more tape on after the security guard removed the first tape. Once the tape showed up again after having been removed, the guard knew someone was still in the building>>18111965Not true. John and Maureen Dean are still married, and have remained so since October 1972
>>18111971Yeah I didn't realize they were still married, apparently they met through barry goldwater although there's no reports of how goldwater met her. Goldwater was targeted by CIA spying during the LBJ administration with Hunt leading the spying >he was being set up as the patsyOr... what if... he was a willing participant in watergate
>>18111984okay so no currently active spooks were involved, nixon just randomly references bay of pigs for no reason>nixon is allowed to delete portions of his tapes>all the people involved were former spooks>connected to cuba>connected to CIA drug smuggling>connected to CIA counter-insurgents>connected to JFK assassination?>connected to the mob the trail just stops, you see
>>18111992> bay of pigsNixon used the bay of pigs as a threat against the CIA, but not in the way you or others see it. Listen to conversation 576-006 of the whole story, but it goes like this...> The pentagon papers are printed> It's a report from the johnson era, but it's leaked during Nixon's time> they're having trouble understanding the report, because their people don't know enough on the subject of the CIA's secret war in order to know what information is important, and which is not.> so they decide to bring someone in> Howard Hunt, who has the background to know what to look for in the tens of thousands of pages they had to scanMeanwhile:> aide mentions that CIA has some sort of document that they're holding close> they don't know what's in it, but they hear it has something to do with the bay of pigs> Helms at the CIA says he will not release it, under any circumstances, and will bring down the world if anyone tries> After hearing that, Nixon, of course, wants the documentLater:> Nixon wants the CIA to run cover for Watergate to the FBI> FBI is willing to drop it, if the CIA tells them it was a covert mission and to drop it now> but nixon needs way to pressure Helms to go along> so he says... tell him that it might open up the whole bay of pigs thing again> not knowing what it means, only that helms is afraid of the information coming out
>>18110581>>cheat when he's leading by 20 pointsI don’t think any democrat ultimately could’ve won ‘72, but Nixon didn’t just ratfuck McGovern, he ratfucked the guy that was actually supposed to be his opponent that year. He was scared to death of Muskie, and if nothing else it certainly would’ve been a closer contest
