Sociology is part of the humanities right?Nobel Prize winner Claudia Goldin recently published a paper that male involvement in raising children might increase the birth rate. Guys in Sweden are more involved than those in South Korea, for example, and Sweden has a higher birth rate than South Korea.Mind you, this woman has a Nobel Prize, and not one of the bullshit ones.https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w33311/w33311.pdfThis paper made some waves in feminist circles because it implies that men doing more housework would improve birth rates (or even be the key to it).What do you think?
>>18110590Why?
>>18110590>feminist says men should do MORETypical
>>18110642Why what?
>>18110590If you're an east Asian or White man you should consider hiring a surrogate mother as your first option in the dating market if you plan to have a family. Western women have and will ruin your future for family-the longer you wait, the more difficult for you to recover.
it is less about housework and more about involvement.arab, african, and asian men don't clean their house. that's strictly a woman's job. but everything their children do is their business and they keep tabs on them.every other race from what i see treats their kids like a burden. in america this is especially noticeable because antinatalism isn't a niche reddit meme but an every day thing for people there given that a pregnancy can result in police chasing you and gunning you down. it's not even tied to any ideology in capitalist hellscapes like america. both sides left and right have said that having children is le bad either because (1) if you can't afford it don't give birth to ti (cuckservative view) or (2) how are you gonna watch this new gay cop drama if you have a little BRAT runnnig around shitting everywhere? (capitalist neoliberal "progressive" view). i think that's why many people there have always had a variety of mental illnesses
>As noted earlier, I will discuss data for two groups of 12 countries in total that include nine in Europe, one in North America, and two in Asia. I have limited each group to six nations for convenience.17 The first group contains Denmark, France, Germany, Sweden, U.K., and U.S. I will call them Group 1. They are currently countries with moderate TFR, although all rates are currently less than two. Group 2 nations include Greece, Italy, Japan, Korea, Portugal, and Spain. These are countries with currently very low fertility. Demographers have termed these countries as the “lowest low.She offers no justification for lumping these two countries into these two groups. It's just completely arbitraryAlso, why is Sweden seen as "moderate" with its 1.4 fertility rate, but Spain is seen as "very low" with its 1.3?I knew sociology was a joke but this is supposed to be economics.
>>18110737To be fair, western countries (ex-white countries) have effectively outsource everything involving family. Want companionship? Get a pet. Need retirement? Save up rather than investing in your children for the future.Etc.
>>18110590Both Sweden and South Korea still have below replacement birthrates, the effect is very limited. Also she is comparing 2 very different countries with many extraneous factors, it would make more sense to compare Sweden with its peers Denmark and Norway. By far the biggest guarantor of high birth rates is religion. Here people are raised in a culture where they want to get married as young adults and raise a family, as humans have done since time immemorial. This drop in birthrates to ridiculously low levels is a very modern thing.>NOOOO ARE YOU HECKIN' SAYING FEMINISM IS A FAILURE BIGOT CHUDAmish, mennonite, mormon, hasidic and muslim women are free to leave their communities at any time. They may not be your idea of a feminist utopia but they certainly have more freedom than they did in the 1950s. This more or less proves /pol/ wrong. However, it also sheds some doubt on your idea of turbofeminism being the ideal for humanity.At some point the left will have to accept these little imperfections in the real world. You can't have sex whenever you feel like it, experiment with drugs, change your gender, rehabilitate every criminal or invite a million muslims to your country without them pushing for shariah law. It is just not the real world and something will snap you out of that haze eventually even if you ignore us. The irony is in order to preserve a society where people are chill with women going to university or gay people or whatever, you need to preserve white western culture, you need to be a little racist, a little trad, you wouldn't even need to go far with these things.If boomers said "only immigrants with a nonfraudulent university education can gain entry" and had just 1 more kid per family, America would still be white and prosperous. Too late now I guess.
>>18110811>Amish, mennonite, mormon, hasidic and muslim women are free to leave their communities at any time.I disagree. Islam punishes apostasy by death, and Amish/mennonites are basically left completely alone with no support if they want to leave, which means the bar for leaving is quite high. Mormons are allowed to leave, but they also have lower birth rates.I agree with the rest though. It seems feminism and birth rates are incompatible.
>>18110811Wild that German mennonites are outbreeding Bolivians in birthrates 7 to 1. If anything, Hyperborea will be consolidated beneath the shining sun of the Chaco
>>18110811>America would still be white and prosperous.It never was "white" in the meme way you thought it was.
>>18110866Amish are popping off as well. Gonna be a shallow genepool in the future thoughalbeit.
>>18110866The future of White people is in the cities and sciences, inbred country cultists aren't going to bring a new age.
>>18110764not in all western countries.france italy spain have low pet ownership rates. america is extremely high right alongside brazil. i guess the US was (is?) western but i wouldn't call it whiteit's my own theory but i attribute this to high economic equality in western europe compared to countries in the americas. women in europe find a partner based on compatibility and looks. materialistic needs are not important the way they are in the US.in the US, you are given zero support to raise a family. before you would get food stamps, but the US is officially dismantling that and increasing social security age so that they can abolish it in the future. the US' birth rate is artificially pumped up by hispanics, blacks, and maybe indians. >Need retirement? Save up rather than investing in your children for the future.this is exclusively an american thing. which is what i was talking about. nobody in this planet, besides americans, said anything CLOSE to a sentence like this.americans need to stop implying that their style of living is the standard for all european countries. outside of the UK, it is not.
>>18110590That's completely retarded because in societies where they maintain traditional gender roles, they pop out kids constantly. Doing laundry isn't going to make your wife want to have 8 kids. It's an absurd statement.It's actually very simple why people don't have kids anymore: There are two main issues: 1. Having kids in the modern day is a liability, not an asset, and 2. People can choose not to have kids.Back in the day, you got married young, and started fucking, so you had kids. And those kids would help you out around your farm or take up whatever craft you did. Not so anymore. Nowadays you have to invest a ton of money into their education, you barely see them, both you and your wife have to work away from home, so you send them to someone else to take care of and indoctrinate, and once they're adults you then send them away semi-permanently to become even more indoctrinated. By the time it's over, you've sunk tons of money into someone who never provided you any real benefit, has no obligation to you (because communities hardly exist anymore), and has probably drifted away from you both ideologically and physically thanks to external influences.So what's the benefit of having kids today? There really isn't much. Most people get stuck into nursing homes by their children to wither away and die. There is no community and no incentive to produce kids. That leaves only those who still have communities (Amish, Mormons, immigrants). And also retarded low IQ people who just fuck without protection because they're imbeciles. That's it.You want a solution to the birth rate issue? Well there isn't one, you can't turn back time and undo the inventions and advancements that led us here.
>>18110913>You want a solution to the birth rate issue? Well there isn't one, you can't turn back time and undo the inventions and advancements that led us here.Or can you?
>>18110887>materialistic needs are not important the way they are in the US.Families still need support and government/private employers guarantees parents won't get fucked over for having kids or merely having the capability to have them.
>>18110876Well if the cityfolk keep breeding at negative rates then not at allInsult and belittle simple and superstitious countryfolk all you want, but they are at least doing something to revert the issue, that and they are entirely self sufficient as a community.
>>18110737>a pregnancy can result in police chasing you and gunning you downWhat
>>18111582sorry, an abortion* can result in police chasing you and gunning you downhttps://www.cbsnews.com/news/woman-charged-murder-abortion-pill-lizelle-gonzalez-claims-against-d-a-sheriff/why do americans complain about the growing hispanic population, but punish hispanics for getting abortions?
>>18110913>Nowadays you have to invest a ton of money into their educationYou don't.>you barely see them, both you and your wife have to work away from home, remote work exists. You can always call/message/facetine them>so you send them to someone else to take care of and indoctrinateyou shouldn't do that. Let them drop out when they have learned to read, write and mastered a second language>and once they're adults you then send them away semi-permanently to become even more indoctrinated.They're adults now, they can do whatever they want, if you didn't starve them of attention in their early childhood they won't get indoctrinated.>By the time it's over, you've sunk tons of money into someone who never provided you any real benefitcoming from a large and influential family will open more doors for you then any degree in existence. Having the opportunity to continue your blood line is a blessing. Most men (and women) are sexless incels nowadays>has no obligation to youinheritance will make them obey>and has probably drifted away from you both ideologically and physically thanks to external influences.Or maybe not.The solution is not choosing the useless goy cattle lifestyle.
>>18110876Who's going to give birth to those white city folk?In functional societies, cities are supposed to eat up everyone capable from the province, who wants education or to do something more with his life. People who can't inherit enough property also count and go to cities to get a better life.Cities have always had low fertility and relied on other places for their population.
>>18110876this guy never studied history
>>18110590If People really cared about duh Birfrait they would ban contraceptives and leave it at that.>This paper made some waves in feminist circlesSo a bunch of 60 year old women got excited. Big whoop.>What do you think?Study seems somewhat reductive. And its findings triffling. Whatever effect men sharing in domestic duties and childcare has is clearly minimal as Sweden's TFR is scarecely higher than the Low Fertility groups.>>18110743Not including any non-developed countries, or more pertinently any countries were the birthrate has not been decreasing for several decades or stagnated at sub-replacement levels should render this study worthless. In my opinion.>>18110811Mormons are not high fertility. Their Birthrate has plummeted into normal /(for the U.S) levels. Stop using 20 year old data.
>>18110590Fewer births are a good thing, because it means less baby tortureIt's only a crisis for the old who need slaves to pay for their excessive healthcare
>>18110590The birth rate crisis can simply be solved by legalizing rape and using the state to enforce rape culture All replies below this are cope.
>>18110872Funny joke, Hans. European genes weren't descended from one solitary phenotype.
>>18114783What you're like Ian Watkins and enjoy torturing infants?
birthrate is linked to low taxes, thank me later
>>18110986NTA but its akin to concept of "pride comes before the fall"
>>18114845Okay then how am I supposed to live anywhere without subsidies? My social skills suck which make job acquisition difficult. Unless the state is willing is subsidize employment. But you will reee autistically at that.
>>18114857de-globalize to increase the value of labor
>>18114809Contraceptive pills will greatly limit the amount of conceptions. Inefficient.
>>18114817I hate it when the scammers can't afford the good bots. Amazing how it manages to completely invert the meaning.
>>18110590billions must die
>>18114985Describe the content of the infographs you spam instead of just spamming infographsActually use your words and engage in meaningful discussionYou won't because you're a worthless spam bot.
>>18110590the population crisis is only a problem because the pension system exist, there would be no problem in the population decreasing if we didn't need new people all the time to pay taxes to support old farts rotting away watching TV.>step 1: remove the pension system>step 2: heavily reduce taxes>step 3: return to the gold standard, let money be money again, let people save their money and not have it eaten by inflation>step 4: retire when you have enough saved, don't fuck over your children and grandchildrens future
>>18110590It’s easy to understand why the birth rate is so low if you read Industrial Society and Its Future.
>>18110642Density.Also this thread is retarded and has been done a billion times.
>>18114988why type all that text?that is what the infographic is for
>>18110590How does she explain high birth rates in sub Saharan Africa?
>>18114988community notes - 4chan is an image boardif you want txt then use twatter
>>18110590>it implies that men doing more housework would improve birth ratesUh how exactly does that make any sense?Seems like this must be some flawed backwards reasoning as the only reason men would need to do more housework is in the event that birth rates rose.
