Why didn't white people ever fix the congo river so it would actually be usable? You would think that would be a priority during colonization (or fucking now so they could get the cobalt out of the country easier)
What do you mean by that
>>18110998you can't sail from the congo to the sea. like 90 miles from the ocean the congo just turns into waterfalls and rapids and is unnavigable
>>18111138What are we supposed to do about that
>>18111159make it navigable so we can extract cobalt easier
>>18111138There's only so much you can do with locks. The St. Lawrence is far more valuable in terms of pre-existing industry and they only built 2 lock systems (Sault Ste. Marie and Niagra) that merely make the 5 lakes into 1 navigable system that links Duluth, Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland, Buffalo and Toronto. Ocean going ships can only go up to Montreal.
>>18111178the congo is currently completely unusable by all boats past a certain point
>>18111195That's because it's a big dumb river and not the most majestic collection of lakes in the world with a big river coming out of it
>>18111203The Mississippi and Nile are big rivers
>>18111206Yeah and so are other rivers. Why is it white people's job to develop a river in Africa?
>>18111271cause we both know the Africans can't and won't
>>18110987Isn't rail way more reliable than river transport? Pretty sure canals > land routes until rail. And overseas freight is supreme in terms of cost efficiency.
>>18111301I'd imagine it's hard to build rail through the middle of the jungle, especially in some shithole like the congo where it rains all the time and is probably muddy as shit. Like apparently they can't build a bridge across the amazon because the ground there is too muddy and not stable due to all the rain
>>18110987White man here. I just went over to google maps and had a look at the situation. It appears there are five areas of major rapids going through hilly terrain. The thing to do would be to build a city on the closest set of rapids and run railheads from there until you can canal around them eventually -- and it appears white people already did that. The city is Kinshasa/Brazzaville and the railheads still exist. My God though, Congo is much too vast and totally undeveloped. What are we doing? There will be another scramble for Africa more brutal than the first, it's just a question of when.
>>18110987Dangerous jungle & dangerous river both full of man eating predators and mosquito's that infect with malaria or dengue fever, Good luck with that chore
>>18111354>we can build bigger cities and dams and watergates and port towns!But why? Steal it from Africans?
>>18111413Humanity will grow larger. Natives enjoyed America for centuries in all its grandeur, but that could not last. Nor will the rule of primeval forest in Africa. Don't be selfish to future generations anon.
>>18111354>White man here.Guys, wtf, The White Man is here!!
>>18111473OP asked, unless he was just being . . . *gasp* r a c i s t
>>18111348>I'd imagine it's hard to build rail through the middle of the jungleAnd don't forget that tropical rainforest regions have year-round growing seasons, so it's a lot more tedious and costly to fight nature and keep infrastructure running. Fungal growth, rusting from moisture, vegetation that constantly needs to be cleared - it's significantly more expensive to keep it maintained compared to building rail in temperate regions.
>>18111291>we both know the Africans can't and won'tInfrastructure projects are booming in Africa though. Why do you want to briteforce impractical project ideas like limitless budgets are a thing?
>>18111354>Congo is much too vast and totally undeveloped. What are we doing? There will be another scramble for Africa more brutal than the first, it's just a question of when.All to end up with shitty overpriced condos and another housing crisis?
>>18111917when you put it like that . . . better go all-in on megastructures this time
>>18111942With what money? Even the most perfect and viable project still needs loans and every loan or aid loan source basically double taps you with the thirdie and Africa penalty due to credit ratings. Credit ratings by third party organization that legit have no idea on most markets they are giving scores to, so even if you pinch pennies austerity style to lay if debts you still get penalized.
>>18111967All that money we've been sending to China will be ready to reinvest, with interest.
>>18110987We CAN’T fix it. There’s 25 miles of falls at the mouth of the Congo River that make the otherwise PERFECT waterway that reaches the very center of Africa INACCESSIBLE to and from the ocean. Henry Morton Stanley called it a tragedy for the future development of the center of Africa. We’d have to clear 25 miles of falls to make it accessible. That would very difficult.Putting aside the difficulty and cost, environmentalists would probably chimp out about it. It pisses me off. Maybe we could build a canal from a nearby river? There has to be another river that reaches the ocean and is closer, right?I’m white and I think about it all the time. It pisses me off so much it’s unreal. For anyone who doesn’t know what we’re talking about, it’s the fucking Inga Falls.
There are a bunch of black gorilla nigger anacondas floating around that river
>>18111987>25 miles of fallsimagine the blastinghot take, it will happen. Just cut one deep channel in the middle, 1-2 big, modern dam and lock for flood control. Ships will be flying down that mother. How they get back upstream might be a problem though
>>18111969I doubt that. Anything that doesn't have instant returns pretty much won't get through to most (not all though) western/ international orgs and states. Also the constant fluctation of aid/funding and government flip-flopping in the US or EU means that private first companies won't want to take the if say the US bails out halfway. Very few companies are actually familiar with or familiar with constructing outside their scope or willing to experiment in doing so outside of companies like Webuild (formerly Salini Impregilo) and Webuild who've been big outside of Europe for 50+ years with an impressive resume to back it. Their next project will be a shitshow though since it's in the US.
>>18111987>environmentalists would probably chimp out about it.Why is preserving the environment so bad?
>>18110987>priority during colonizationThey didn't have the technology.> fucking now so they could get the cobalt out of the country easierIt would be a massive, hundred billion dollar project even today. And push the limits of our technology. But it could probably and will probably be done soon.
>>18112010I hope it happens. I’ve attached a photo of the Congo River system here. IMAGINE the trade. It will be Africa’s Mississippi. VGH…..I seriously fantasize about what it would’ve been like if such a brave endeavor to complete this project would’ve been carried out around the time of the Panama Canal. Imagine.
>>18111159Build an alternative route, or fill in the river that's there.
>>18111987>We CAN’T fix it.We can, it's just a matter of demand.
i cast sleeping sickness
>>18112027idk how much of those interior rivers are ass. doesn't zimbabwe have some big waterfall? granted that's way up river from the mouth anyway and just fixing the mouth with fix the interior so much
>>18112031demand from who?
>>18112049white people, possibly chinaman who want access to the mines in the interior of Africa
>>18112020>Why is preserving the environment so bad?It’s not. I’m a staunch environmentalist. However, with literally every development project of significant scale, you have to weight the costs and benefits. See the phot I have attached here. It’s the Midwest of the United States. It’s an agricultural POWERHOUSE. See all the brown-looking areas? That’s NOT desert or a semi-arid region, that’s ALL farmland. Used to be a giant forest. The Great Lakes region specifically used to be absolutely COVERED in old-growth forest. The Great Lakes also are connected to the Atlantic Ocean via the St. Lawrence river, essentially making the Great Lakes States coastal states at least functionally despite being in the dead-middle of the continent. This area had massive potential and was successfully harnessed. Mining, Industry, Agriculture, I can go on. However, we could’ve made everything North of the Ohio River and East of Pennsylvania an uninhabited nature reserve. Worth it? No. I’m all for preservation. However if 25 miles of SHITTY FUCKING FALLS is the ONLY thing standing in the way of an UNPRECEDENTED inland water trade route that is the equivalent of AFRICA’S MISSISSIPPI, then I say BLAST IT TO HELL. It would be an increase in economic development from one small difficult decision the likes of which the world has NEVER seen before.
>>18112045Yes, but the Zambezi is great and essential for trade up until the falls. Still important. Totally different from the Congo, literally EVERYTHING is navigable UP UNTIL the last 90 miles before you reach the ocean, where there’s 25 miles of falls. It’s not a rapid drop-off like a the Niagara Falls or Victoria, it’s moreso just river rapids.
>>18112031I agree, I just meant people would chimp about us destroying the falls they didn’t even know existed before their planned destruction because “muh envirunmint”.That’s all I meant by saying we “can’t” fix it.
>>18112017Maybe so. I prefer to base my prognostications on simple factors like the vast size of Congo and its hunger for development. Things that cannot change in an afternoon. Your conclusions are more of a tangential nature, change could disrupt them from any direction. A US administration willing to do military cooperation, a shift in the African political landscape, even the rise of a diaspora Chinese captain-of-industry in Africa could change the equation in favor of investment. It only needs to happen once, while Congo will never stop being the future. The same with Siberia, Canada, Amazon, and many other great wildlands, their loss is sad but inevitable for humanity's sake. It's important to do right by them and build more perfectly every time. America was built as an 18th century utopia and it's kind of shit, but they had to try.
Project Plowshare will live again
>>18111987>>18112027>he doesn't know about grand inga pleb
There are some very big and gigantic nigger sized anacondas swimming in that river
>>18112085how much land is this supposed to flood? That's wild
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>>18111159They could have at least tried dynamite.
>>18112064>>18112055If western investors drop the project or fuck it up Congo will be paying for it.
>>18112064>A US administration willing to do military cooperationUs barely acknowledges Africa at all and let AGOA expire.>even the rise of a diaspora Chinese captain-of-industry in Africa could change the equation in favor of investment.Literally anyone can buy shit from China and ship it to Africa this isn't the 1900s. Most Chinese would rather make money in China, live near by so they can fly home more often or so research.industry work in places that already have it.>The same with Siberia, Canada, Amazon, and many other great wildlands, their loss is sad but inevitable for humanity's sakeIf the Congo's peat bog is one of the largest storages of carbon on Earth.
>>18112064>The same with Siberia, Canada, Amazon, and many other great wildlands, their loss is sad but inevitable for humanity's sakehttps://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/bakx-owa-seqouia-alberta-orphan-wells-1.7620267This is in Canada.
bruh I'm getting anxiety looking at Senegal, why is africa like this? It looks like world of warcraft. Congo forest was spine tingling bonechilling but this is so much worse, I don't even blame people because it seems like something more ancient and powerful is in charge.
>>18112085>Grand IngaYou’re right, I actually don’t know. Redpill me on this. What’s being depicted here? Are they going to flood a massive area with dams to make it accessible to shipping?
>>18112161global warming is a a fake chinese jewish myth
>>18112177I'm sure it's great if you're from there but damn
>>18112211>I'm sure it's great if you're from thereI mean they leave it at the first opportunity
>>18112239Akon was going to build a futuristic venture capital bitcoin city there I think. Lets just say they've pulled back for another round of financing and retrenchment. This part is cool, a landscape with many oases. At least it's more star wars than warcraft
>>18110987They are doing that. Just man. You have no fucking idea what Livingston Falls are like if you’re just like ‘lol whitie fin gonna fix dat ribber.’ It’s going to be hands down the largest hydro project in human history, and that’s assuming it’ll even be possible. We’re talking a system bigger than the three gorges dam. Once this is built, adding a lock system becomes possible.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Inga_Dam
>>18111851The Belgians did in fact build a rail system in the Congo as well as establishing a riverboat system upriver of the rapids.When they left, it was up and running though I dunno about today.
>>18112085>>18112190https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Inga_Dam>The Grand Inga Dam (French: Barrage du Grand Inga) is a series of seven proposed hydroelectric power stations at the site of the Inga Falls, in the Democratic Republic of the Congo.[1] If built as planned, the 40–70 GW project[2][3] would be the largest power station in the world.[4][5]
>>18112385>>18111851the congo is super fucking deep, like twice as deep as the amazon, you could theoretically get panama or suez class ships at least part way down the river
>>18112395wheres the worm Musk when you need him. 80 billion for the world's greatest power station in the age of data centers, to say nothing of making the falls navigable.
>>18112415>data centers in africa
>>18112419they want electricity maybe someday they want grok
>>18112419It pays to know where you stand in history. Because he's a power-mad industrialist at the head of an exploitive trust, deeply in bed with the US federal government, he can send military forces to protect his investment and politicians to run cover.
>>18112395VGH
>>18112027I can imagine. Whitoids spend 600 gorillion dollars to open the Congo to the ocean and a gang of feral niggers hijack every boat, steal the goods, and use it for human trafficking
>>181120650_0
>>18111271It's called the white mans burden. Also you had 300 years
>>18112435Elon is a ket fiend who can barely function in public>>18112823300 years of what? >>18112385That rail system was barebones and even dated for the time. The Belgian Congo was about extracting as much resources as possible with as minimal investment into the labour population as possible to keep the population under their control while letting settlers get welfare jobs to pad stats. Asides from the mines and plantations they didn't care about development or having a sustainable economy. The system didn't allow for reforms or mass changes in policies.
>>18113813yeah and Cecil Rhodes was fat
>>18114238>Cecil Rhodes was fatAnd probably queer (not using that as a slur). Cecil Rhides also was able to use the empire as his bitch and drag it into anything he wanted. Elon isn't even close to being that well connected to the US brass or admin.
>>18110987They are still recovering from The End of History, but as Trump keeps trolling them into action we may start seeing them doing cool shit again.
Using the Congo for shipping doesn't really make sense, they could just expand the already existing freight railroads of the Congo. The Grand Inga project would be the biggest hydroelectric plant in the world and would generate 40 GW of power vs Three Gorges dam 22.5 GW
>>18110987>how come white people aren't fixing my country for freesorry bro, we aren't doing the whole colonization and development while ruling you for your benefit anymore so you'll have to evolve a prefrontal cortex and do it yourselves
>>18110987This task belongs to the Tutsi-Chinese Hybrid ruling class which will hold all of east and central Africa in their possession.
>>18114758>we aren't doing the whole colonization and development while ruling you for your benefitIt never was in the first place frog poster.>you'll have to evolve a prefrontal cortex and do it yourselvesPretty much every ex-power/US can't even do proper infrastructure projects anymore, then there's the shotty data centeres that are on built on the AI bubble going on.
>>18114758Gold and diamonds weren't enough. Just had to fix one river but you incompetents couldn't do that.
>>18114930Fake news. Humphrey Bogart and Kathryn Hepburn sailed it during WWI.
