Why is homosexuality morally wrong? What's wrong with people enjoying themselves?
>>18111073Well the Torah says it's wrong, for starters.
Those flames just got hotter.
>>18111073They spread ill health and their sexuality is inherently unproductive.That's more than enough to call it immoral without even having to consider the facts that most men find it innately disgusting and that faggots are massively overrepresented among pedos and other types of antisocial sexual deviants.
>>18111082...No, they didn't I'm going to heaven but sometimes I want to sleep with a guy >Stop being gayWhat if i tried but cant?
It's notin fact heterosexuality is morally wrong
Sex for any purpose other than procreation is wrongLust (sex drive at all) is wrong too
>>18111105>(sex drive at all) is wrong tooThat is not what the Bible teaches.
>>18111088Honestly I think pederasts are higher on the pecking order than gross hairy bearded faggots fucking each other. Pederasts > Faggots > Pedos
>>18111111What a waste
>>18111088>men find it inherently disgustingTell that to the ancient Greeks, Chinese, Arabs, Africans, Samurai, etc.Only countries which have been colonised by Jewish morality dislike love between males (the highest and purest)
>>18111155Most ancient greeks hated faggotry and arabs behead them today. And don't say it's because of islam when you know muhammad got zutted, it's natural behaviour.I really hope scholars in a couple of centuries won't look at the early 21st century and think we all love faggots and trannies now just because our degenerate elites have been directing academia to glaze degeneracy.We have a decent excuse for mischaracterizing the ancients, given the scarcity of sources (and even then we really should have looked at law codes since the beginning rather than rely on art) and restricted access to what is there, but future anthropologists won't have that excuse thabks to the internet.
>>18111181>Most ancient greeks hated faggotrysource: i made it up
>>18111155>Only countries which have been colonised by Jewish morality dislike love between malesWhy is israel so gay then?
>>18111181The internet will be lost one day and it will be the single greatest loss of history of all time.
>>18111192No it wont. Youre here forever
>>18111181>given the scarcity of sourcesYou can always tell a retard has never read the classics when they say shit like this. The ancient Greeks being faggots isn’t just “oh there’s a few art pieces and poems.” For comparison, it’s like if every major source about American history described George Washington, Alexander Hamilton, Benjamin Franklin, Jefferson Davis, Robert E. Lee, Mark Twain, Henry Ford as being faggots who promoted faggot love. This is SO STRIKING if you hate faggotry because it is FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE TO AVOID WHEN YOU TRU TO READ THEIR GODDAMN “TRAD WHOLESOME” BOOKS THAT EVERYONE TOLD ME ABOUT
>>18111073Nothing about homosexuality is immoral. Homophobia exists to prevent the social unit from reducing its birthrate. In nature only exiled members of an animal kingdom are homosexual. Having a man turn gay instead of having kids makes your social unit smaller and thus weaker.But homophobia does not make sense in environments like those of white countries given that they are all hyper individualist and have a homicidal aversion to communal living. It serves no purpose given the abundance these nations live in. It makes sense in countries with a patriarchal national ethos like Saudi Arabia or China. Homophobia in places like the US or Russia serves no purpose. The homophobes there are just sadists that found a safe outlet to abuse people.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfedGe6bDC8If you're an actual advocate for eugenics and not an oversized edgy teenager, it's easy to see that homosexuality is great for eugenics. Effeminate men voluntarily leaving the market and their chasers obliterating their own genes is great.
>>18111236>In nature only exiled members of an animal kingdom are homosexual.Never heard this one before and difficult to square with the homosexual behaviour of male chimp troops etc.
>>18111236>Effeminate men voluntarily leaving the market and their chasers obliterating their own genes is great.Yeah and in the meantime they rape children, spread disease and facilitate the drug trade in your town.
>>18111155>I hate God>I love eating feces and getting rammed in the anus by an AIDS ridden cock. Telling.
>>18111248Why do homophobes always post the most obscene sexual descriptions? I literally never think about anal sex as a homo. I don’t care for it. I am just someone who falls in love with other men. That’s how I first experienced my homosexuality - through chaste crushes
>>18111260>That’s how I first experienced my homosexuality - through chaste crushesAnd then?
It is a sin
>>18111266Obviously I experience sexual attraction like everyone else. Do you want to hear the details or what
>>18111233You can always tell a classicist from a historian by the sheer unwillingness to acknowledge that they're working off of the merest fragments of a culture's written production and that their understanding is massively skewed because of it.Your mindset is 200 years outdated, fuck off to /lit/ with the other fartsniffers
>>18111275Schizophrenic
>>18111272So you turned into another gross sodomite, gotcha
>>18111236>makes your social unit smaller and thus weakerIs there anything more immoral than such a result? I don't think so.
>>18111289Doesn’t happen. He made it up
>>18111260>>18111272>I love eating feces
>>18111280Why say that kind of thing? What’s the point of being cruel to other people? It’s not virtuous. I don’t mind if you have some kind of ethical objection to homosexuality grounded in, say, a religious belief system, but why be sadistic? It just proves you don’t have a moral motive. It’s entirely about sanctioning your desire to dominate and hurt other people
>>18111245>in the meantime they rape childrenNot unique to gays and they don't engage in this activity any more than straight people do. The most likely person to do such a thing is a relative of that child. And it's typically a heterosexual male relative at that.>spread diseaseHIV/AIDs is not more contagious than other STDs.>and facilitate the drug trade in your town.The people peddling drugs are patriarchial crime groups. In my area they are hispanics and blacks. What do you mean by this?>>18111289Strangers in your country are not your social unit. Assuming you're white, this is the price you and your ancestors paid to live as individualists. It's characteristic to white societies.
>>18111073homosexuality was practiced for thousands of years until the jews. Jews hate homosexuality cause they've been staring at cut dicks their entire history
>>18111308His name-calling is nothing compared to the hatred the Lord has for you. Have you heard the ancient saying "Tick tock"?
>>18111313See >>18111248
Being against homosexuality is a leftist trait
>>18111308Says the faggot getting off to physical and mental violence of sodomizing another man. >>18111309Gays are disproportionally represented among pedos and basically all of you have some story of being molested as a child or teenager by some groomer faggot. And faggots facilitate the drug trade because they disproportionally consume drugs because they are mentally ill.
>>18111318You're just disgusting and obviously don't understand male love
>>18111321Except I already told you I don’t have anal sex, retard
>>18111323
>>18111336still posting this huh
>>18111323Why are you seeking these chuds approval?
>>18111323Its a relationship based on mutual respect, support and friendly competition, not demeaning one another as a masturbatory aid. Faggots are hateful and vile. Either they hate others and sodomize, or they hate themselves and get sodomized.
>>18111336Obviously us homos on here know this was just a psyop pushed by them
>>18111333>I think gay sex is super fun>Only cocksucking though
>>18111343>Its a relationship based on mutual respect, support and friendly competitionDescribes homo relationships pretty well
>>18111333I dont care what exactly you do sodomite, its sick and disgusting.
>>18111349deluded
>>18111353What do you worship?
>>18111361Myself
>>18111365Ironic
>>18111321>Gays are disproportionally represented among pedosAbsolute majority of pedophiles are hetero males and the victims underage girls, in some shithole countries and all of the west in the past it was literally legal to rape 12 years old girls>>18111321>basically all of you have some story of being molested as a child or teenager by some groomer faggot.Source: The Voices Told Me>>18111321>And faggots facilitate the drug trade because they disproportionally consume drugsAbsolute majority of crackheads are black and brown hetero males
If homosexuality is so evil why does it produce such beautiful stuff. The world would be so impoverished without art made by faggots…
>>18111382In fact, gays and lesbians usually do relatively harmless drugs such as poppers and cannabisHetero males go to crack, cocaine, alcohol, etc...
>>18111319Yes, and communism is inherently jewish, see the dots???
>>18111321Most convicted sex offenders are heterosexual males that victimized a female relative of theirs. And fags are not a factor in the US being a fent abusing shithole. That comes from mutts getting their opium supply from Afghanistan cut off and allowing Chinese designer drugs to fill the void. It's hispanics and blacks peddling it kid. Over half of all browns in jail are convicted for peddling this garbage.My country is chuddy as hell and I'm thankful. I'm still not gonna accept your retarded mcshartlican arguments as to why homosexuality is immoral or whatever. Your butthurt pigskin seething is not evidence.
>>18111309>in your country>not your social unitIn what meaningful sense is there a country I belong to if not in that of the country being a social unit I belong to?
>>18111260why are you so homophobic?
>>18111073The anus is not for penis. Using anus for penis is unhygienic and leads to long-term damage to anus as well as easy disease transfer. Homosexuality also cannot propagate the species, it is inherently self-destructive.
Look at the fruits of homosexuality, what does it produce? There is your answer.
>>18111475If penis is not for anus then why is prostatic orgasm the most intense pleasure a man can have? Why would YWHW design male bodies perfectly made to be pounded by thick and big cocks?
>>18111458countries use a pluralistic view on membership and they are not close enough to warrant such a unscientific form of social check.white chud retards on this board have zero vested interest in defending christianity or traditionalism, they just want to vent out their frustrations on fags. it's way too obvious that they just want catharsis with the most easiest target available to them after they have been bullied all their life
>>18111492If meth triggers the highest dopamine response in nature and is made from a simple carbon skeleton why is it bad to smoke it?
>>18111504Because it is highly addictive and destroys your neuronsThere's literally 0 harm from anal sex as long as is done properly and safely
>>18111517You can do meth safely as well, in theory, the problem is it is an addictive substance and induces self destructive behavior. I wonder if homosexuality has certain comorbidities, that also express as a symptom, self-destructive behavior.
>>18111521You're wrong, meth on itself is destructive to your braincells, it doesn't cause self harming behavior because itself is already harmfulI suppose you mean fringe and freakish people who do stuff like fisting and other stuff that is completely harmful to your own body with that comparison, not only this is not exclusive to homosexuals, one thing doesn't necessarily lead to the other, and yes I agree people who engage in self harm and mutilation are fucked up, but anal itself is not that. And most homosexual men don't even do anal but only oral anyways, which is arguably the safest form of sex.
>>18111521>admits that gay anal sex is addictiveIt's okay to come out of the closet, anon.
>>18111521As for the reproduction argument this is actually a fallacy too because many if not most heteros are only doing sex for recreation and not reproduction, and homosexuality helps to cull overpopulation, and such things are terribly needed to a species numbering over 8 billion people on the planet.Honestly, homophobia is a bourgeois psyop because the bourgeoisie need a constant source of cheap labor and cannon fodder for imperialist invasions
>>18111536Amphetamines are used and have been used heavily through out modern history, the most damaging tangible effect they have on people who use them responsibly are certain cardiotoxic consequences. While these aren't good dropping dead at 68 from cardiac arrest isn't too bad in the bigger picture, yet it is still not advisable for many other reasons to not consume these substances and these reasons are unique to each individual. Drawing an axiom on why homosexuality is bad is somewhat fickle because each homosexual will have different behavioral expressions and sources for these behavioral expressions. A guy that gets fisted may be less apparently mentally unwell than one who only does oral sex yet he incurs greater somatic stress from his homosexuality. Maybe you get what I am saying. Generally speaking if you want to know whether something is good and worth your time, ask yourself what it produces, homosexuality produces nothing, anal sex produces nothing.
>>18111541Overpopulation was very evidently a psyop as indicated by the massive demographic crises nearly every developed nation is undergoing currently. The carrying capacity of the planet is something absurd, probably in the nonillions, and if we had nonillions of people we would have billions of people at the super genius level which would probably expand our understanding of how to further increase our carrying capacity or maybe even terraform planets within our solar system.
>>18111568Posting on 4chan produces nothing. Why are you doing it?
>>18111568>homosexuality produces nothing, anal sex produces nothing.Neither recreational hetero sex, and even from a pure utilitarian stand point homosexuality can be seen as a positive as an homosexual sibling would aid in the finances and raising of their nephew, easening a burden on the family for example
>>18111488>what does it produce?The philosophy of Plato, the Sistine chapel, the Mona Lisa, the sonnets, the collected works of Proust
>>18111585>Neither recreational hetero sexBirth control is voluntary sterilization; i.e genocide propagated by an immensely evil global order that desires the extinction of man kind. Recreational hetero sex does not really occur because all abortifacients and hormonal treatments have various other deleterious effects on populations that consume them. It is a human desire, moreover, to reproduce and any absence of that in someone is evidence of deeper issues or more likely successful brainwashing.
>>18111607So voluntary celibacy is evil?
>>18111580I share my thoughts, that is of value, maybe not high value but the same question could be put to you.
>>18111615ESL
>>18111607>completely obsessed with arguing about the philosophy of homosexuality on 4chanIt's okay to come out of the closet.
>>18111589Doubtful on some of those, but even if were to assume they were all homosexual did they produce great things because they were homosexual or did they happen to be homosexual and also produce great things. Likewise are all the heterosexual people through out history that are responsible for great things responsible for them because they were heterosexual?
>>18111612Abstaining from something is different from doing something.
>>18111090don't be a slave to unnatural lust We must ascend to a higher ethical reality
>>18111625Yes.
>>18111155jewish morality actively promotes sodomy thougheverbeitthe proof is in the pudding, and in the talmud
>>18111637There’s nothing unethical about bonds of love shared between two men, about the beauteous strength and fellowship and affection of that relation. Running on grassy fields together at dusk, throwing javelins, climbing trees, laughing and rolling around together. It’s so repulsive how Jewish morality has disfigured and slandered life
>>18111642>no sticky dicky in poop holeis that so hard for you?
>>18111642Jewish morality does not exist, you complain about something which cannot exist and blame it for why people are not all like you.
>>18111650Not at all, I don’t do it
It’s difficult to understand why heterosexual men are obsessed with homos (notice how women don’t seethe at lesbians this way?) until you realise it’s because they are enslaved to women and resent anyone who is not similarly enslaved. They must seek out their happiness and satisfaction from women — a doomed endeavour
>>18111236>Nothing about homosexuality is immoral. Homophobia exists to prevent the social unit from reducing its birthrate.Strait faggots always blaming the gays for not being able to get it on
>>18111665Can't wait to hear more of your impossibly broad theses on incredibly complex topics with no clear evidence or thought other than your own mindless delusions reinforced by your consistent isolation from anyone who even remotely challenges them.
>>18111681Hit a nerve did we
>>18111681>completely obsessed with seething about homosexuals on 4chan
>>18111690>>18111689The business end of your crack pipe must be glowing red hot with how insane your theories are
Ahhhh another night well spent posting for 4 hours about homosexuals on 4chan. Time to come up with another graphic description of anal sex
>>18111700>compulsively posts in every single thread about homosexuality posted on /his/
>>18111655so you're platonic?you may still have a chance. At least you'll live longer than the ones who do it because you won't catch a STD. Prayer and meditation can help, also looking inwards and understanding where the 'urges' come from and what they lead to.
>>18111708He's sides, like most homosexual males are
>>18111708I’m not Christian. Also you shouldn’t be saying mean things to gays if you are. I thought you were just a nazi sadist not a follower of God…
>>18111715sides?I'm not familiar with their ways. I just want my brother in Christ (assuming he's Christian) to get better
>>18111073the gays don't breed, they're a liability and wasted resources
>>18111333youre missing out
Guys my wife caught me writing a post about prolapsed anuses on 4chan. I tried to tell her I was just proselytising against homosexuality but she didn’t believe me and wants to divorce me and take the kids. Help!!
>>18111720Why would I be a sadist? And I really thought you were a Christian. Even if you're not, meditation still helps. You can think of whatever, as long as you are honest with yourself
>>18111735Oh you might have got me mixed up with another anon (and similarly I got you mixed up with someone else). Well, I appreciate your kind intentions anon, even though I disagree with you
>>18111733show her you're not gayshe will not leave then
>>18111744You are being trolled
>>18111742No worriesI pray and hope you find the answers you are looking for
>>18111749I am both aware and extremely boredthe prolapsed anus part was not very subtle
>>18111578Concepts like overpopulation fall in line with elitist perspectives of oligarch and capitalist classes of the world. Jews also prattle on about it here and there because they are a nation of middle men that serve said oligarchs and capitalists more often than not, so it's only natural they would want their finest paying goys to be unchallenged;.The earliest writer that talked about "overpopulation" is unironically a genetic dead end product of incest. A cleft lip whingy voiced anglo-celtjeet balding subhuman with zero redeeming qualities that mother nature would've fed to the wolves along with his 5 siblings. Amazing to think that someone like this, who probably became incontinent at age 50, thought that he was in any position to complain about humanity living in ever more dense cities in larger numbers and that his own feelings on the matter had any actual weight when it came to the stuff he was trying to argue for.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Robert_Malthus
Why is russian roulette morally wrong? What's wrong with people enjoying themselves?
>>18111088wrong>>18111236wrong>>18111488wrong>>18111541wrongLet me be very clear here. The concept of homosexuality as it exists today is morally wrong, it should be improved. That's not the same as saying (x) homosexual activity is morally wrong, or that "gay people" are wrong. Nor is it wrong because certain behaviors lead to less-than-ideal outcomes, people are allowed to do sub optimal things. No, it's morally wrong because the philosophical framework demeans human capabilities. It's technically not true that gay people can't love the opposite sex romantically, it's technically not true that they can't have sex. Technically, the idea of "gay people" and "straight people" is pure normative conformity designed to segregate sexual communities. It exists because of homophobia that says two people are different because of their sexual choices. Gays distrust science and need identity to protect them from overbearing authorities, who would otherwise try to convert them. It's not about obligation to fuck men, it's about the freedom to do what you want. That's why gay identity was revolutionary in its day, but it is incomplete. It's a compromise worldview, that accepts normie prejudices as true and makes men consign themselves to inferior status . . . forever.
>>18111884The black legion always creates
>>18111895>The Black Legion was a white supremacist terrorist organization and hate group which began in the Midwestern United States in the 1920s and the 1930s. It split off from the Ku Klux Klan and grew to prominence during the Great Depression. According to historian Rick Perlstein, the FBI estimated that its membership numbered "at 135,000, including a large number of public officials, including Detroit's police chief."[2] Historian Peter H. Amann put the number at between 60,000 and 100,000, while John Earl Haynes said that it had at most only a few hundred members.[3][4]>The Black Legion is widely viewed as an even more violent and radical offshoot of the Klan.[5] In 1936, the group was suspected of having killed as many as 50 peopleTIL
>>18111899It is also a colloquial name for the devil and demons
>>18111902I figured as much but that made no sense, so I googled it.
>>18111088So by this metric all other forms of non-vaginal sex are also immoral?
The Bible tells how a homosexual Roman centurion asked Jesus for a miracle to cure his sick partner and Jesus agreed.
>>18111073Homosexuality is wrong when it isn’t hot because I said so. If it’s gross faggots then it’s the pinnacle of evil. If they’re good looking I’ll let it slide.
>>18112554Non-reproductive sex, gambling, being rude, and being selfish are all immoral to that anon. Basically, he's wrong.
>>18112557Aesthetics are key. I don't want to see a man behaving like a woman, or a woman behaving like a man, because that's an insult to me. If fucked up people want to be fucked up behind closed doors, that's great. If they want to break down the concept of straightness then I am going to break the concept of gayness.
>>18112554Pleasure has a smidge of prosocial value by itself, so as long as they don't foster ill-health and they are not used as replacement for reproductive sex non vaginal sexual activities can be moral.So basically as long as it's done while you are healthy with a healthy partner you intend to start a family with.>>18113249Gambling is just risk taking, which is unavoidable. Gamified gambling however is addictive and contagious by virtue of requiring multiple parties, and therefore unhealthy, which is immoral.Being rude is just a communication tactic, so it's 100% contextual. Same for being selfish, since misplaced empathy is very antisocial.
>>18113298All of those things can be immoral when practiced immorally, but their risky nature doesn't make them inherently wrong. Saying something is inherently wrong because it carries a small inherent risk is just outlawing freedom.
>>18113392I've already said that risk TAKING is unavoidable, but that doesn't change the fact that risk is inherently negative. For it to be tolerated it has to be counterbalanced by the reward.An activity that has neutral value by itself is made inherently negative if you add risk to it.Freedom is an utterly empty concept in general, but it is particularly worthless in this context: discussing morality is discussing boundaries, which definitionally limit your freedom. If you value freedom you don't value morality.
>>18113259So if two gay men are stereotypically manly and two gay woman are stereotypically girly you would be ok with them?
>>18111492>If penis is not for anus then why is prostatic orgasm the most intense pleasure a man can have?lol most bottoms don't actually know how to achieve a prostate orgasm. the majority of stupid bottoms just lay there and take the pain of having their asshole torn up while masturbating themselves to feel pleasure.
>>18113416The reward? Millions of incels and femcels were given a second chance at happiness. The woes of modernity were salved by simply letting people do what they want. They exist only to work and consume, they don't cause overpopulation, they're the perfect modern people. When I have a problem with something morally, it relates to real life. I'm not going to delude myself that society has all the same priorities I do, morality is morality. Large scale social management often transgresses things I'd rather avoid. >Freedom is an utterly empty concept in generalCalvinists get the rope.
>>18113420What they do in their love lives is none of my business. I'm only interested in the concepts people use, and what they mean. That's the only way any of us could have an impact on the future, the present is already over. The pseudoscience can go away at any time.
>>18113432Yes, overpopulation is an issue. Thats why we need millions of shitskin to avoid the population shrinking.
>>18113468Don't forget we need to attack their home countries to make them leave. The economy works in mysterious ways.
The gays are necessary. Let them be.
>>18111073As an adult, why is you having a consenting orgy with your parents and grandparents morally wrong? What's wrong with people enjoying themselves?
>>18113793Bad example. According to modern ideas of sexuality, it's impossible for someone to be into that without first having a traumatic nonconsensual experience in childhood.
>>18114163But not according to your wise, ancient homosex ideas, right?
Jewish morality spreaded all over the world.Notice how the most anti-gay people shill Israel the hardest.
>>18114177To me it's highly unlikely that a morally acceptable version of that scenario would arise, but not impossible, it would be the exception proving the rule like hermaphrodites in the tranny argument. I don't think you can only change in bad ways, that doesn't make any sense. Training is a form of trauma.
>>18114198What's morally wrong with it? If you and your mother both consent, what is wrong with you penetrating you her, and you continuously pumping against the friction of the walls of her vagina to eventually cause you to ejaculate? I fail to see how you can prove this is morally wrong. It's just consenting adults enjoying themselves, bro. What's you problem?
>>18111073The ethical argument usually relies on teleology - the fact that your reproductive faculties are meant for reproduction and using them for ends that are completely divorced from that counts as abuse. Just like a heroin addict would be abusing his opioid receptors by injecting. In both cases the amount of pleasure bears very little ethical meaning.
>>18114235What's morally wrong with it is the extreme likelihood of child abuse, -not certainty as believed by normies, but extreme likelihood- and moral degeneration demanded by such a scenario. The same is true of consensual partial cannibalism cases. On the other hand, if you were to refer to "homosexuality" as morally wrong it would utterly lack context. That would be akin to saying this conversation is morally wrong because it's part of really having the orgy.
>>18114249There is no child abuse involved here. That out the way, answer the question.
>>18114256What's morally wrong about killing someone if it's legal and warranted? Technically nothing. There's your answer, this is a wildly contrived scenario with no meaning.
>>18114259>Technically nothing is wrong with you having sex with your motherOkay thanks, just checking.
>>18114263>technically nothing is wrong with killing, but homosexuality is bad in all cases
>>18114248What about a former heroin addict? Can you still be a based and trad redpiller and proselytize against fags and trannies on 4cuck all day if you're a former heroin addict?
>>18114263>>18114267More important than me being right in general is the fact that you were looking to specifically debunk my argument about consequences and you failed. Just because something has negative consequences for one person doesn't make it morally wrong inherently. >>18114280that argument is totally ridiculous. The state is actively working to keep birthrates down, obviously something is lost in translation.
>>18114280You can be anything you want. But you better let people know how you removed the log from your eye when pointing out the speck in theirs.
>>18114296I am a gypsy. A manlet. A former heroin/amphetamine addict. An alcoholic. I'm insecure about my small penis. I'm addicted to BBC porn. I HATE women, but I secretly wish I was one. I even had a gay phase myself.But guess what? I'm still a based and trad redpiller who proselytizes against the da degenerate gayz on the internet. Even I can recognize that faggotry is bluepilled. Rabbi Yeshua gives me the strength to fight the demonic LGBT agenda.
>>18114368Is that supposed to be one of us? Is that supposed to be me? How about this: YOU are a gay person who was never molested and never felt strongly about it, you just existed. Then you learned about sexuality and how you were born that way, it became your identity. Now you're upset because we're discussing "your" sexuality. How dare we discuss something central to your life, we're either straightoids talking out of turn or repressed gays whose existence is ontologically delayed. This is cause for great anger. That's you.
>>18111088>They spread ill healthNot inherently. And so can heterosexuals.>UnproductiveCompletely amoral. And even if not, there is modern technology that allows gays to use their genes to have kids.>find it innately disgustingArgument from emotion.>faggots are massively overrepresented among pedos and other types of antisocial sexual deviantsCum hoc.
>>18113447So your problem is not with homosexuality itself but rather how they peform according to their biological sex
>>18114612No I object to the medieval framing of sexuality as a decisive personality trait. I think the evidence clearly shows sexually active people develop sexually throughout life, due to a combination of individual biology and interactions with others. There's no definitive moment where new experiences stop being profound.I think it's important to make this objection because people hold themselves back by participating in the lie. It's the same argument as gay lib in that way, people are holding back their true love potential and other things by putting sex on a pedestal. It's no more deterministic than any other memorable experience. There have always been a wide range of homosexual expressions, which is incompatible with the notion of natal sexuality, inasmuch as most people would be similar if measured on strict potential. The difference is defined by what they experience and the choices they make. The obsession with heredity and permanence is telling, sexuality is a classification system designed to include and exclude. In the same way cagots and criminal phenotypes were measured with pseudoscience, today we offer assistance picking your mate by reference to imaginary determinism. It's supposed to keep women safe from dishonest husbands and that kind of thing. More recently sexual identity has been the perfect antidote to the demands and expectations of others, and I don't wish to take that from anyone. I only want everyone to get everything they can and not miss out because muh determinism blackpill.
>>18114368You create straw men of the people that tell you not to be gay on the internet and then drive yourself into a frenzy about them but they do not even exist.
putting your dick where someone shits is disgusting, and i don't want those kind of people running around in society. "straight" people into anal are no exception.
>>18111073>What's wrong with people enjoying themselves?You have more responsibility as a male and fellow tribesman than "enjoy yourself and not cause harm". Sorry but life and society will need more from you than that.This idea only works if we perceive ourselves as atomized individuals with no accountability and responsibility to anyone beyond our immediate hedonism. And even then it barely works because you will probably end up paying for your own transgression personally.The entire problem with faggotry is that people like to pretend it's just some innocent personal preference, when it's much more harmful in aggregate. But it's also just one of many narcissistic behaviors in our current day, so I don't single them out.
>>18115488This is the stupidest argument yet >>18115488>when it's much more harmful in aggregate.You have yet to demonstrate how, so I call bullshit.
>>18111073Moral Wrong from a Societal Standpoint: Consider two men. One is heterosexual, marries, and becomes financially responsible for his wife and children. The other is homosexual, will never have children, and bears financial responsibility for no one. He directs his surplus wealth toward oppressing the heterosexual, propagandizing, and subverting the government systems in which he participates. This is why homosexuality is morally wrong for society. To be fair, society should also oppress unmarried women and bar them from political influence and from teaching roles.Moral Wrong from an Individual Standpoint: The human calling is procreation, and propagandizing children away from this calling, and from what offers the greatest chance of happiness, by encouraging and promoting homosexuality through culture constitutes a fundamental wrong. Homosexuals largely perpetuate their orientation through conversion by either molestation of propaganda/cultural promotion. Society can accommodate homosexuals only if it explicitly recognizes and mitigates the specific ways in which their orientation contributes to societal and individual moral harm; to ignore these effects while feigning their absence is itself a moral wrong.
>>18111073>What's wrong with people enjoying themselves?False flag strawman.
>>18115498War is harmful in the aggregate. Maybe people shouldn't exercise free will at all.>>18116265based. saved me a post
>>18116385By this definition you're morally wrong because you're here talking about other people's lives instead of procreating.
>>18111394brown hahahahahahah
>>18116385Homophobes are literally too retarded to know adoption and homosexual reproduction technology exist
>>18116780How does faggots buying little boys for sex work out in their favor?
>>18116521How does that follow? I said procreation is the human calling, and promoting a lifestyle incapable of it to children is wrong. The moral wrong isn't an individual not procreating. It is an entire class that, precisely because it contributes nothing to the birthrate, accumulates disproportionate wealth, time, and influence, and uses that to further their joint class interests against the normal populace.This is how they pushed transgenderism through legislation. While normal people work to raise children, childless degenerate activists with dual-incomes and nothing but time promote and advocate their degenerate class interests. Which includes expanding their population and loosening morals to push degeneracy further into areas like transgenderism. >>18116780Yeah, I said that they perpetuate their orientation through molestation. That's the same thing as 'adoption'. It's interesting that in the television and film propaganda designed to normalize 'gay adoption' it overwhelmingly depicts gay men adopting girls. But in reality gay men always adopt boys. It's interesting. And 'reproduction technology'? You mean surrogacy? An moral wrong that subverts the nature order to use women in poverty as breeding cattle? Great technology.There are solutions, but first homosexuals would have to accept that being a homosexual is an objective negative in all lives that should never be promoted to children. Then we can start talking about something like mentorship with homosexuals contributing financially to their closest relatives children, being guardians for their nieces and providing them with dowries. But for a majority of homosexuals, they are not interested if it doesn't grant them access to a young boy.
>>18117319You're conflating the social impact of homosexuality with the individual phenomenon. Society can just change if it's a problem, tolerance is tacit acceptance. Follow your view to its conclusion and it's still the individual's fault no matter what society does, such as taking away all the women or actively promoting homosexuality. In reality society is responsible for communal welfare and the individual is responsible for things he can control.
