Wasn’t it a dilapidated tinpot empire ruled by Turkic Muslims and filled with banditry?
No. The Moguls actually ran a very strong state before abruptly running it into the ground.
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>>18111080The Mughal Empire was alright before that CHUD Aurangzeb ruined everything.
>>18111080I can believe that Mughal India was wealthy at points simply because a non-Indian group was running the place.
>>18111479And how much was the peasant population compared to a few rulers?
>>18111479Mughal Empire, like the British Empire, was pure evil as it didn't exterminate the Jeets.
>>18111205I will read this when I get a chance.
How India(s) actually worked before moguls/british showed up:>Have all the brapminhs get all the money and spend it all on useless shit or to larp as le hermit>All the other people is dirt poor and retarded (as brapminhs convinced them eating cow poop gives him good karma)And this was/is India history whenever some foreigner doesn't show up.
>>18111080India certainly wasn't undeveloped compared to much of the world, but there have been a lot of recent efforts by nationalist scholars to paint Mughal India as the richest region of its time, which is nonsense. One often repeated story is that India was more industrialized than Britain, but the British deindustrialized it and took all the wealth for themselves (that's not how economics work, but you see the "theft" claim repeated a lot in critiques of colonialism).One problem with these historical comparisons is that it's hard to define what you're talking about in the first place - what makes a country rich? Are you talking about the entire Mughal Empire or just specific regions like Bengal? GDP estimates can be mostly disregarded, they're just guesswork. What impact does infrastructure development and technology have on your perception of how rich a country was? Also, agriculture was such a massive sector of pre-industrial economies that agricultural productivity can have a big impact on standard of living, even if we typically think of economic development through the lens of industrial manufacturing.One example for how complicated this is to assess would be the Chinese peasant in the 17th and 18th century who most likely had better living standards compared to the typical European peasant. Chinese agricultural productivity was the best in the world until Europe caught up and surpassed it in the 18th century and Emperors kept taxes low to keep the peasants happy. At the same time, the upper segments of Chinese society were struggling, there was little capital investment and China had fallen far behind Europe when it came to applying engineering knowledge. So it's no wonder that while Western countries with a wealthy capitalist class started to industrialize and grow their economies rapidly, China declined.By the 18th century, India was behind China and Europe in agricultural productivity, so its people didn't have a high standard of living.
>>18111080It was a complete shithole, but yes, it was rich in spices, crops, drugs, textiles, etc. because the muslim elites had an entire subcontinent full of hindu slave labor.The average Indian who produced these things was of course destitute, but the merchants and elites were quite wealthy indeed. This just carried over to the British empire, except they actually tried to stop all those retarded and insane religious practices like the thugs, getting crushed by juggernauts or burning wives and concubines alive when a guy died, for just some examples. The muslims didn't care about that stuff as long as they got their wealth extracted.
>>18111080Ancient India was one of the most prosperous areas on the planet at that time, but it stayed there without developing and about a thousand years later Europe entered into the single fastest and most dramatic economic explosion in human history. After that India's ancient wealth (that hadn't increased or developed over that millennium, and was basically all represented by a dozen of the wealthier kings/bigger temples having shitloads of gold decorations) was basically nothing. If you want a good comparison then think about how much $10 would have bought in 1800, and compare it to how much the same $10 would buy today. It was a lot of money back then, but basically nothing now. >tl;dr - it's pure postcolonial cope
Jeet-storians of /his/Do you think that if Dara Shikoh (Pacifist, art-loving, Hinduism and Sufism tolerant) had won the Mughal Succession War against Aurangzeb (War-loving Islamic fundamentalist) the fate of India would have fared much better in the upcoming centuries?
its nationalist cope for the most part, especially now that have genetic studies that give us a good look at population structure and pressures over time. the subcontinent has always had huge numbers of small to tiny endogamous groups forced to occupy certain professions (or not allowed to). some of these groups were productive but many others were retards who did no productive work
>>18111080Euroids travelled to the other side of the world to trade with India, not the other way around. Everything else is cope about whitey being le rich yet having to infest every place on earth to steal and doesn’t make any sense.
>>18111080The immediate period in Indian history after the fall of the Mughals and before Nigel's Colonization was a Warring-States Style chaotic fuckfest between the remnants of the Mughal Empire, the Majapahit Confederacy that tried (and failed) to succeed the Mughals, a bunch of Kangdoms in the Far South & North and the Sikhs trying to make a Wakanda in the Northwest. In the coastlines are tiny Europenis colonies taking advantage of the situation.Some bits of it was p. damn rich & well organized (the Kingdom of Mysore for example), but in between are titanic wars and famines. No one was having a good time.In fact in some ways the BEIC was just one of the competing factions in this shitfest.
>>18112874Maratha Confederacy*I am going the fuck to sleep.
>>18111816The thugs were just Bandits. The Kali cultism was most likely made up.
>>18112881Not maliciously, necessarily.
