I want to know what happened with Rhodesia but I'm too afraid to ask
>>18111684Whites evicted in a humane way, country went to shit because of commie retardation.
A good, but ultimately deluded guy had a good run with the boys in shorts against hordes of ngubu communists attacking them non-stop until he finally realized white rule in Rhodesia wasn't viable
>>18111684It got destroyed by literal commieniggers.
>>18111684they refused to allow black rule or let blacks vote and since they were a land locked country with only 2 white population centers they only had like 250,000 white men in the country, a bunch of whom didn't want to fight a war and were pariahs for their apartheid stance so only South Africa and Israel gave them aid and in the end they got overwhelmed and let black terrorists destroy their oil reserve or oil refinery or something and with no fuel their war machine died and they were forced to turn the country over to a black dictator that the queen of england and the west praised who destroyed the nation
>>18112401Portugese Mozambique also supported them until 1974 when lefties took control of Portugal and abandoned their colonies
>>18112401>Alienating the majority of your populationWere they retarded?
>>18111684300,000 delusional whites thought they could rule over millions of blacks indefinitely and that building a mini-Australia/UK in the middle of fucking Africa would be a viable plan
>>18111684they never died
>>18111684Here's the story of RhodesiaA land both fair and greatOn eleventh of NovemberAn independent stateThis was much against the wishesOf certain governmentsWhose leaders tried to break us downTo make us all repentBut we're all RhodesiansAnd we'll fight through thick and thinWe'll keep our land a free landStop the enemy coming inWe'll keep them north of the Zambezi'Til that river's running dryThis mighty land will prosperFor Rhodesians never die
>>18114131The worst part is thinking that wanting to be a mini UK or Australia was ever remotely desirable in the first lol. Both already had major cracks in their foundation by the cold war era.
>>18111766>A good, but ultimately deluded guy had a good run with the boys in shortsLmao Ian Smith was a retard who dug himself into shit deeper. Also no one wat shirts because the grass scratched your legs up and the vast majority of the Rhodesian military was African lmao.>against hordes of ngubu communists attacking them non-stop until he finally realized white rule in Rhodesia wasn't viableHe always knew it was unviable. He just wanted to entrench it long enough that 50-60 years later when they "had to give it up" whites would own everything in the country and thus have no need of their political domination. Basically they tried to be NYC landlords and rent seek forever
>>18114261Basically the entirety of the settler political class in the 20th century was making as much money as you can before bailing, trying to larp as gentry or recreate the class/labour abuses on even more subjected people, or failsons and wannabe upstarts having a playground to run around in and eating up colony and empire resources.
>>18111684It took the Gafcon pill and adopted an all black leadership structure.
>>18114261>He just wanted to entrench it long enough that 50-60 years later when they "had to give it up" whites would own everything in the country and thus have no need of their political domination. That sounds really similar to South Africa where 90% of the wealth belongs to whites or something ever 30 years after Apartheid ended
>>18114261>He just wanted to entrench it long enough that 50-60 years later when they "had to give it up" whites would own everything in the country and thus have no need of their political domination.I mean that's the best they could hope for considering they started from an already lost position. It's hard to fault them for trying.
>>18114298South Africa basically had way longer to pull that off coupled with the massive state capture by the mining, finance and agriculture lobby.
One of the funny things about Rhodesia is that Apartheid South Africa refused to help them because the Rhodesians had invaded and helped the British conquer the Boer republics
>>18114305It pretty much the equivalent of expecting a divorce and pre-emptively burning the family finances so the wife won't get anything once she gets fed up with it all. Instead of doing it early and learning to move on and adapt from ot you just made the divorce process worse and ruined your own prospects as a recently divorced man.
>>18111684>Brits colonize Zimbabawe and establish themselves as the landowning class with blacks as second class laborers >economy is based around agriculture >Britain begins decolonization and tries to grant Zimbabwe independence under black rule >White landowners oppose this and declare independence as Rhodesia (UDI) to protect their interests>Britain refuses to recognize Rhodesia, blockades it, condemns it, leading it to be an international pariah state and diplomatically isolated >ZAPU/ZANU begin insurgency to depose Rhodesia and are supported by the Eastern Bloc and neighboring anti-colonial states>Bush war begins, Rhodesia finds allies with other isolated states like Portugal, South Africa and Israel >Rhodesia wins militarily but loses politically >Insurgency drains the country's finances, whites flee due to insecurity and allies like SA, Portugal and Israel abandon it due to their own wars>Rhodesian government is forced to compromise and allow universal suffrage in 1978, renaming to Zimbabwe-Rhodesia and forming a black majority government, but war continues due to ZAPU/ZANU wanting full control over the country and lack of international recognition >Zimbabwe-Rhodesia government capitulates in the 1979 Lancaster Agreement reestablishing British rule to oversee elections >ZANU wins elections and Robert Mugabe takes power>Mugabe infights and eventually purges ZAPU, consolidates control, and becomes dictator, redistributes white land causing them all to flee>Zimbabwe experiences famines, ethnic violence, political violence, hyperinflation, economic collapse and foreign sanctions under Mugabe>He's overthrown in 2017 and Zimbabwe is still suffering from his rule
>>18114131they had a lot of farmland>>18114120not all the blacks hated them since they ran a bunch of plantations, there are photos of black rhodesian soldiers
>>18114261>Basically they tried to be NYC landlords and rent seek foreverthe whites provided value. zimbabwe's agricultural industry collapsed when the farms got nationalized
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>>18114312south africa did aid them to some extent
>>18114120It's no different than other dictatorships that don't allow their peope to vote. Blacks are just eternal victims so they make it seem as if Apartheid was some uniquely horrible evil.
>>18111684The white minority of what is modern day Zimbabwe declared independence from Britain as the republic of Rhodesia and set up a government for the white minority.Unlike South Africa, this was less of an oppressive Apartheid regime, and more of case two separate societies existing in the same place.The whites ran their country, Africans mostly did their own thing on their own land.During the Cold War the USSR and Mao's China funded African rebels looking to overthrow the white regime and return control over the land to it's native people.This caused a long and drawn out war which eventually saw the Africans win after the Rhodesians lost the support of the Portuguese, the west, and South Africa.The land went from being a rather up and coming place to a viscous Communist dictatorship and very poor.This is what makes it so fixated on by mainly white supremacists
>>18115077>they had a lot of farmlandForm the state seizing lands from the locals and forcefully relocating them.>>18115083>the whites provided valueNot intrinsically. The government kneecapped the black population solely to make sure the settler one would have total domination. all at the cost of having no real way to develop due to the sheer dependency on this gentry larp.>zimbabwe's agricultural industry collapsed when the farms got nationalizedIt wasn't nationalized. Mugabe gave the land to allies and cronies because he had to pay up for their support. There were many much more black candidates to get the land but Mugabe pretty much had to keep his supporter base. To be real with you the entire industry was assfucked regardless of Mugabe doing the land reforms correctly or not. The world shifted to industry and services, climate change and more frequent drought cycles were occurring and agricultural powers like America and Brazil already dominated every possible nice Rhodesia could do.>>18115782>It's no different than other dictatorships that don't allow their peope to voteand those people also rebel and protest.>Blacks are just eternal victims so they make it seem as if Apartheid was some uniquely horrible evil.So they should just accept it? It pretty much was a fucked up policy that engaged in a ton of abuses (assassinations in Europe) and set the countries back decades. It was something you were born into with no way of escaping, families were split apart if some members were too brown, white guys either had to dicksuck the government+corporate interests or get actively fucked with by both.
>>18117279>The land went from being a rather up and coming place It was far behind pretty much every Asian state and was getting surpassed by other African states rather quickly as they were meeting development checkpoints that Rhodesia had long delayed.>viscous Communist dictatorship and very poor.Zimbabwe wasn't even communist because many of it's policies weren't in line with it. It was even poorer during the Rhodesian years too since the Rhodesian state didn't even bother investing anything in 95% of the population and the white pop in the grand scheme of things got not much in the global scale of things. If you were white and wanted to be educated you had do it outside of the country until much alter on where they finally had a proper universty in the '70s. Your job prospects were either part of the resource extraction sector and not much else, hence why many either moved south to SA or further out.
>>18114131>300,000 delusional whites thought they could rule over millions of blacks indefinitely and that building a mini-Australia/UK in the middle of fucking Africa would be a viable planA story worth repeating in modern times
>>18117708>Form the state seizing lands from the locals and forcefully relocating them.the locals weren't working the land>Not intrinsically. yes intrinsically, they were the farmers>Mugabe gave the land to allies and cronies because he had to pay up for their supportyeah, that's how communism/socialism/nationalization works > climate changeclimate change is fictional. it's a chinese plot to kill American industry
>>18117796>the locals weren't working the landThey were.>yes intrinsically, they were the farmersVast majority of whites were urban.>yeah, that's how communism/socialism/nationalization worksYou see that in every system though.>it's a chinese plot to kill American industryThe Chinaman can't kill what was already dead
>>18114282Hi J. Sakai
>>18117886Never read his book but what I said was true. All these states basically had no real long term sustainability or actually development/economic path.
>>18111684Militarily, the white Rhodesians could have very easily kept control and Rhodesia were steadily defeating the African natives, much larger forces (usually 10X+ in most cases); repeatedly. I don't think they lost any notable battles. The problem is all political support evaporated for Euro colonies in Africa. Once South Africa made the switch to nignog leadership, they had no more allies.... and even small political parties who may have been sympathetic, were all on different continents. There's a billions stories of Rhodesians defeating many blacks because they're so dumb. The blacks all had their AK iron sights on the 10th setting. The 10th setting is only for targets that are extremely far away. Usually you want the sights on 1 for targets in under 100 yards. But the black people thought that was the "power meter", so they always put in on 10, and then nearly always missed their targets. Also, the white Rhodesians painted their trucks like the nogs and literally rolled into their camps in blackface. It was a bloodbath, a couple of dozen white guys killing thousands. But no modern nation, particularly one surrounded by hostile people and landlocked, can make it without major trade partners and Rhodesia had none towards the end.
>>18111684Foreign funded communist insurgency that went on for decades. It was one of the nicer places in Africa to live for a bit. They did very well militarily but over the years every Western nation started to ostracize them due to domestic political conditions. They ended up as isolated as the Norks and gave up. The western progressives agitated against them because muh poor negroes, as it is of course far more humane to condemn the blacks to generations of famine and crippling poverty under a communist dictator.
>>18117879>They were.source?>Vast majority of whites were urban.then why did mugabe bitch about white farmers?>You see that in every system though.it's literally a core of leftism>The Chinaman can't kill what was already deadshalom
>>18117996Rhodesia had all black units, the Rhodesian African Rifles and mixed units, there are photos of black and white soldiers together, I think the scouts were the only unit that remained segregated by the end of the warRussian doctrine was so set the sight to the battle zero character which was a 300 meter "point blank" I say that in quotes because according to the Army and Marines a 300 meter (the marines use 300 yard for some reason) battle zero on an M16A2 or A4 will put you like 5 inches high at the highest point (most civilians use a 200 yard zero which puts you like 2 inches high at the highest point) the AKM's 300 meter battle sight puts you a whopping 12.5 inches high at the highest point. that's why they aim at belt buckles. I think if you set an AKM to 1,000 meters you're going to be shooting high by something like 25 yards, like completely retarded and ridiculousAlso they lost at least one battle because the BP Shell oil depo got destroyed by african communist terrorists and that ultimately caused the Rhodesians to surrender
>>18111684retarded colonist couldnt into international relations and got btfo by illiterate bushmen lmao
>>18119085The demands of the international community were to commit suicide. At that point you have no choice but to resist them. >got btfo by illiterate bushmenThe niggers never achieved military success and were BTFO at every turn, despite having the financial backing of superpowers. The White Rhodesians conceded and left because they were being blockaded and didn't have access to essential resources.