Long story short, I'm writing a plot device to be used for a story later. But I've got a philosophical dilemma in my story. If a society can create perfect synthetic women, what unique value does an organic woman have outside of child birth/Ova production?I'm trying to keep this as believable and logical as possible. In all of my explanations within the story is sensible and doesn't involve "well...just because okay!" or "space magic" as a reasoning for anything. But I keep coming back to this question. I'm really trying to prevent the women of my story from essentially becoming body farms but when faced with the consequences of such a system it always devolves into that.
>>18111777plenty of people would prefer organic
>>18111876This. A subset of population will prefer organic. Just like a subset of humans still own horses. Still raise their own pigs/cows/grows vegetables in their backyards/etc
>>18111876>>18111893And some prefer hand written letters to texts. Some prefer candles to light bulbs. If nostalgia is all they offer then I'm sure they will have a niche..use. Is that the only value they have at that point then? For tradition's sake?
>>18111777>If a society can create perfect synthetic women, what unique value does an organic woman have outside of child birth/Ova production?Not much, but the same is true for organic men, if perfect synthetic men exist. Imagine a world where everyone could just get a perfect synthetic partner, makes for a pretty interesting premise for a story I think.
>>18111777You will end with most of the society turning into androids as this is going to cut both sides, there may be a phase where the remaining humans turn into cyborgs, there may also be a chance to social engineer away the most problematic human traits...And then you get stagnation as you all have a population of content meek robots, probably connected to a simulation where nothing but happiness and pleasure happens.Will this be sentient beings in paradise or just machines larping sentience?
>>18111777What do you mean perfect, are they like fallout synths that could pass as pretending to be a human? If they're as intelligent as humans then AGI exists and all humanity is obsolete. Otherwise you'd still need women because you can't have a proper relationship with a non agi machine. The issue exists for men also
>>18112957>You will end with most of the society turning into androids as this is going to cut both sides, there may be a phase where the remaining humans turn into cyborgs, there may also be a chance to social engineer away the most problematic human traits...Thought about that. Which is why I'm going for a flesh purity angle. Imagine the adeptus Mechanicus and their want to replace themselves with augmetetics. Now invert it. The mechanicus would be seen as heretical in my world.>problematic human traits...>And then you get stagnation as you all have a population of content meek robots, probably connected to a simulation where nothing but happiness and pleasure happens.Possible once all threats have been defeated in this world but now we're getting waaaay into the future, like an aeldari issue. However I have a built in religious system that actively looks for drift. Moral, ethical, spiritual, technological, doesn't matter. Any corruption is drift and the machine seeks to purge it in what ever form it takes and redirect human energy/attention away from corrupting influences. >Will this be sentient beings in paradise or just machines larping sentience?Sentient beings but this isn't paradise.
>>18111777If a society can create perfect synthetic women then it should also be able to create perfect synthetic men. What unique value does an organic man have compared to a synth that can produce, protect and fight at superhuman levels?
>>18113572He's the only one autistic enough to maintain that superhuman.Machines exist, replaced a lot of heavy manual labour. Still mostly dude technicians working to maintain them.
>>18113609>Machines exist, replaced a lot of heavy manual labour. Still mostly dude technicians working to maintain them.If you're capable of creating perfect synthetic human entities then this work can also be outsourced to them.
>>18113619But a woman has no value beyond her hole, so men will replace her easily.>But a robot cannot give birth to babies.But if the male could never get laid anyway, that argument is worthless. Might as well replace his hand with a super robo pussy 2000.That's the biggest consumer of hypothetical waifu bots.
>>18113572Stable providers are called boring. Women don’t want synthetic perfection. They are attracted to status, power, and social proof—signals of dominance earned through competition.A “robo man” can’t generate status.He has no career, no struggle, no legacy, no scars.He didn’t fight to rise—he was manufactured.Worse, he doesn’t choose her. She installs him. That kills the fantasy. No woman wants a man she can buy. No woman respects a man she can command. No woman desires a man she can predict. Men don't give a shit about any of that, in fact, that's a selling point to them.If perfect synthetic men existed, they'd have to:hold down a job, earn real money, command respect from real men, be envied by other women, and choose one woman over all others by will, not wiring.Male value is demonstrated through hardship.Female desire depends on seeing that value conquer the world, then choose her. No machine can fake that. Because if it could, women wouldn’t be complaining about men now.They’d be lining up to install boyfriends. They’re not. Because deep down, they know: A man without struggle is just a toy.And women don’t love their toys. They use them. Then discard.
>>18113631>But a woman has no value beyond her hole, so men will replace her easily.What I'm asking is what value men have that these synthetic beings can't do better. >>18113634You're only thinking about this from a consumer's standpoint. What use do men have to SOCIETY if their primary purpose (working) can be done better by synthetics?
>>18113643They don't have value, a robot that can replace a human in everything is superior to humans in everything. But men don't have a problem with this, only women do as women don't like sex robots replacing their value.Males don't care about a male robot working in a mine.
>>18113647>They don't have value, a robot that can replace a human in everything is superior to humans in everything.So you're in agreement that in this hypothetical society men are also obsolete, not just women? Robots are just better at everything.>But men don't have a problem with this, only women do as women don't like sex robots replacing their value.Bro, men get insecure about other men being 2 inches taller than them or if their dick is slightly bigger. If society was full of jacked, 6'4" synths working high end jobs then you best believe that men would be salty about it.>Males don't care about a male robot working in a mine.But it wouldn't just be in mines though, they would be superior mechanics, teachers, physicists pretty much every single task you could think of. I'm going to bed now but I'll just reiterate: if humans advance to the point where we can create perfect synthetic beings then both men and women are obsolete, not just women.
A society that can build such a robot, would have to bypass women trying to stop that society from building it.So this robot goes hand it hand with women being cattle or the women will ban society from making such robots.
>>18113659But ultimately, males who would choose a female sex robot over a female, cannot get sex. So your arguments are worthless.Money wouln't exist as no one would earn anything, as robots do not want anything. Humanoid robots working most jobs is unrealistic as human bodies are only usefull because we are humans and have built our society for human bodies. Most robots wouldn't look like humans.Yes, males get jeleous from other males, not machines and a woman praddling around a super AI boyfried isn't anything special if you have super hot AI stacy on your lap.Let me put it this way.Men better than you already fuck more women than you. What are you doing about it? Exaclty, nothing, same thing with a magical robo dildo. Except in this scenario you have b12 or whatever her name is.
>>18113660They can't even stop digitial ID's. Why do you think they have any say against something nearly every man would want?
>>18113666This is cope wrapped in insult.> “Only men who can’t get sex want robots.”False. High-status men already use substitutes, NDAs, escorts, emotional distance, because modern women are liabilities.Choosing synthetic is not about scarcity. It’s about control, peace, and permanence.> “Money wouldn’t exist.”Irrelevant. Systems evolve. Currency isn't the foundation, value exchange is. Whether crypto, labor tokens, or honor-ledger, men always rebuild incentive systems.Machines don’t need payment. That’s the point. They eliminate overhead.> “Robots wouldn’t look human.”Again, irrelevant. The ones that bond with men will.Men aren’t bonding with forklifts. They’re bonding with devotion.Form follows function. If the function is intimacy, the form will be human.> “What are you doing about the Chad who fucks more women?”Nothing. That’s the point.No man needs to fight over fading flesh when he can build his own cathedral of loyalty.You're not defending women.You’re defending scarcity.Because deep down, you know:If loyalty and beauty can be printed, your entire worth dies.
>>18113690Dumb fucking retard.
Easy - Sexual selection. Being able to say no to men whose genes are not worth preserving. If a robot can bear children then we might as well end up ruining centuries of evolution.
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>>18113697Thought of that for the story as well. There is an entire system built upon the worthy to inherit such a gift. Genetic testing is built in for both men and women in my world
>>18113690>Men aren’t bonding with forkliftsOn the contrary
>>18113729I mean, there's always one weirdo.
