He was retarded and surrendered power for no good reason, yes, but the communist minority initially wasn't the main problem.

>>18112260
He was G*rman and therefore pro-communist

If you were in his shoes, how would you stop it, /his/?
>inb4 do nothing
Then you get killed and lose, try again.

>>18112260
Because he couldn’t. It wasn’t as if socialists, Marxists, anarchists and the like just wore big badges that announced to the black 100s and the secret police what they were. There was a lot of rather brutal suppression. It’s just the moment you’re disappearing people and setting up labor camps that are really just slow execution facilities in Siberia is the moment you’re in trouble.

>>18112274
Serious reforms? You’ve got to basically tell the boyars that they’re gonna die and so are you if you guys can’t get the bottom 90% of society on board with your system. They made very good initial progress by abolishing serfdom and letting the former serfs buy the land they worked. Expanding on that with labor reform, more local governance, not playing rug yanking with the Duma, not getting into retarded wars like the one with Japan, or god forbid WW1, focusing on infrastructure and improving public education, etc. The only European monarchies that survived became constitutional ones/democracies either de facto or de jure.

>>18112281
>not getting into [...] WW1
Wasn't Russia forced into it by being a member of the Entente? If they backed out they'd either be politically and economically isolated, and Germany might've invaded either way forcing their hand.

>>18112287
Well they Nicky could have just gotten over that his cousin (I think) Wilhelm was an insufferable dipshit and continued positive relations with Germany after silly Willy realized that Nicky could just ally with the frogs and the bongs. Beyond that, just telling the Serbs that they have to bite the pillow now because one of their ultra nationalist groups did a dumb. Now that wouldn’t be fair to Serbia, but it’s better than WW1, and given how bad at war Austria Hungary was, that also might have gone poorly for them.

>>18112314
Then instead of Germany it will be Britania who will send communist rebels into Russia.
>Beyond that, just telling the Serbs that they have to bite the pillow now because one of their ultra nationalist groups did a dumb.
Serbians could simply ignore Nicholas's exclamation.

>>18112260
>Was he fucking retarded?
Yes

>>18112331
Then Nicky would have an excuse to ignore the Serbs. Beyond that no one wanted the commies taking anything, AND the commies only got control because of the catastrophe that was WW1.

>>18112349
>Beyond that no one wanted the commies taking anything
Britain wanted Russia out of action, they've spent the entire 19th century warfighting. They would've sent in the communists if it meant putting Russia out of action.

>>18112347
/thread

In the end, it wasn't his mistakes that caused Russia's downfall but Kerensky's provisional government. There should have been cooperation & compromise between the Tsarist loyalists and the liberal-left republicans within the Dumas to crush the dual power structure in Petrograd after the February revolution. Liberal-left activists bringing hope of reform + the military force of the Tsarist loyalists would have crushed the Petrograd Soviet ez pz. Kerensky being too soft on the petrograd bolshevists was his fatal mistake, and he could have amended that by winning over the white loyalists.

>>18112444
Trips`o`truth.

>>18112281
>>18112314
Nicky's big mistake was involving himself with the war effort too much. He made it way to easy for everyone to just blame him.

>>18112453
That was a big mistake, yes, but even if he hadn’t done that, the instability it caused would be colossal.

>>18112444
>liberal-left
who? the non-socialist left was negligible in Russia, and Mensheviks and SRs ideologically didn't want to crush workers councils in alliance with the Tsarists either.
Would've just discredited any party that signed up for it (as ultimately happened with the right-SRs anyway)

>>18112389
I’m gonna have to disagree with you here. The bongs sent almost 60k troops to support the white forces during the Russian civil war. Everyone at the time was terrified of communists. Well. Everyone but the communists of which there were a whole lot all over. No government, especially not a monarchy with a capitalist economic system and a huge colonial empire would have risked lighting that fuse. Hell, they tried to snuff it out for two years. The only reason the Germans sent Lenin was desperation.

>>18112260
he was too kind, soft and liberal

>>18112389
>they've spent the entire 19th century warfighting
Outplaying Russia in The Great Game is one thing, Britian never wanted Russia to collapse entirely to communism.

>>18112260
Because all the schizos were all who were remaining on the front lines.
Imagine being a patriotic moron. You enlist to a war and then you die day 1 in the greatest and most industrial war to date like a delusional moron that you are.
Non-patriots don't have this sacrificial moral code within them. They don't want to die for some memetic greater good. They are there against their will. They want to survive. They have their own moral code that doesn't align with the patriotic cattle's values. And then, these schizos meet the hierarchy. They hate it the most.
You can't scare a schizo with a threat of prison.
The more the war lasts the less patriots there are on the front. It's a natural filter. The smarter ones contact the enemy and they start cooperating on how not to die. They share a cig, they pretend to fight, they realize they hate their leaders more than each other. They hate their emperors that started this bloodbath (both Germans, both relatives), they hate their commanders that push them to the front for personal benefit, they hate these rules, they have the primal desire for revenge of a peasant against their lord.
Then a new wave of fresh meat arrives and suddenly you realize that most of them don't want to fight either. Then you kill the commander, write him off as casualty and suddenly the schizos are in charge and the patriotic cattle remains the obeying cattle. It's a warband and nobody can do shit about it anymore. No fucking ranks will save you at that point.
The hierarchy fears the schizo. He's retardedly stubborn when it comes to protecting his seemingly arbitrary moral code. He will go against anyone, everyone.
Then you get a populist council in your capital that promises gibs for everyone free for the taking, just come back and claim them.
Russia imploded just like Germany could have.

>>18114559
Look at Ukraine, look at the Covid cattle, draw comparisons.
Modern day Russia targets non-schizos. It targets the most gullible, the most impressable AND the most evil kind of people. The former are tempted by the dangling money carrot, the latter get to establish control over their lives. The former believes in the system and the system digests them for it. They live their lives on fairy tales. They believe they deserve their treatment, they believe in some retarded sets of rules, values, normalcy, when there is none of that. You can just grab a retard and do whatever you want with him. You put him in the list for summary executions and he won't even oppose it.
But back then it was a forced conscription. It's a completely different psychology at play. You get people that decide to kill you because they know they have nothing else to lose. Now you have the White guards being murdered, slaughtered left and right. And this is what the schizos did, what they wanted all along. It's a deeply rooted dream of anarchy, the destruction of the hierarchy.
>the evil
White army were the part of the latter
>the true schizos
were the anarchists that sowed destruction
>the gullible
were the masses that mindlessly stuck with their leaders.
The news spread like wildfire. Imagine there's a leader and he commands the truth. That everyone here is just a dog sent to the slaughter. That it's either certain death or fight against the hierarchy. Imagine hundreds of Prigozhins. Naturally, the evil was looting the rich under this guise as well.
Whites were dropping their shit and fleeing in all directions. Cossacks, too. Especially them. They believed themselves to have an inherent right to play with young lives due to their seniority. And then they crossed the borders dressed in women's clothes to avoid the people's retribution.

>>18112281
>Serious reforms?
You people could just try to learn about the subject. It always "I would of done the ACTUAL reforms and everything would've been fine", when in reality there was enough reforms done under Nicholas 2 and each time for example with labor reforms it was seen by the revolutionaries as a surrender by the goverment and only encouraged them to fight more aggressively.
>tell the boyars that they’re gonna die
First of all there was no such thing as boyars at that time and the nobility that existed weren't playing the vital role anymore. Most power was held by industrialists, some of whom actively supported the revolutionaries and generously financed them (why? To create a democratic regime like France or USA were they would be in charge)
>focusing on infrastructure and improving public education
Funny because Nicholas 2 did all that for the whole duration of his reign, the amount of railways and schools skyrocketed under him

>>18113041
>The bongs sent almost 60k troops to support the white forces during the Russian civil war.
Most of those forces didn't reach Russia at all and the support of the Whites might as well not have existed.
>The only reason the Germans sent Lenin was desperation.
What makes you think that Britain wouldn't out of desperation?

>>18114473
>Britian never wanted Russia to collapse entirely to communism.
Oh yeah, right, anglos were not evil and weren't gonna play dirty, sure.

>>18115806
Nicky spent far too much money on arming up for, or rearming after wars he started. The money would have been better spent on infrastructure. Further the sort of reforms needed would just have brought Russia closer in line with western and Central Europe. Remember he already had one attempted revolution happen after the war he started with Japan that he lost terribly. That lead to a reactionary crackdown that didn’t need to happen either. As for the boyars bit? Classical nobility still held substantial power and the industrialists often times had titles. It’s a shorthand for powerful social elites with a strong conservative bent that favored autocracy. Many of these had ties to the Russian military as well. Lastly the whole goal was a democratic government like Britain which left the monarchy alive and involved if not in any way all powerful.
>>18115860
WHY would the bongs get that desperate? There was NO REASON that the bongs would WANT COMMUNISM to win a war even in a rival. The Germans just did it to take an enemy out of the fight because the commies wanted to duck out of the war. If Russia hadn’t entered WW1, no one would have had any motive to send Lenin into the country.

>>18115863
Playing dirty and being retarded are different things. No one had any reason to try to make Russia go communist, and the bongs deployed troops to try and stop the communists as well.

>>18116041
>after wars he started
Stopped reading, kys retard

>>18116344
I accept your concession. Fighting Japan when the Japanese were being shockingly reasonable, and then getting involved in WW1 a few years later despite having an attempted revolution after the Russo Japanese war? Any idiot could have seen these were both terrible ideas.

>>18116705
Faggots like you always go full retard for some reason. Perhaps all the cum you gobbled screwed your brains.

>>18116774
So, why the tantrum? Russian nationalist, monarchist, or just off your meds?

>>18116825
The better question is why are you faggot lying? It's like Solzhenitsyn once said "We know they are lying, they know they are lying, they know we know they are lying... but they are still lying". So again why are you such a dishonest faggot?

>>18112260
You realize the communists werent the ones who removed him from power right? right!

>>18116863
you talk like a retard.

>>18117050
>you talk like a retard.
That's all you mind broken faggot come up with? Sad