If the Confederacy won the civil war and the golden circle plan was enacted, how would this country look like today?
>>18112561Sooooo many brown people
>>18112561It would be horrendously corrupt and a shithole, so in other words no different than today
>>18112561Like Brazil but worse
>>18112561Like Empire of Brazil but semi-perfect geographic position.
95% black like south africa
like Haiti
>>18112561There’d be a bunch of Dominicans on /pol/ calling themselves white
>>18114005But they'd be blonde
>>18112561It would literally be the biggest third world shithole imaginable full of violent mutts and poverty.
>>18112561Why do you need this hypothetical when you live in a world where Brazil already exists?
>>18112561Hell
>>18112561A mulatto shithole like Brazil or worse
>theyd be brown therefore White nationalists shouldnt support the Confederacy
>>18112561The constant warfare that this would have required would have led the original states to secede from the CSA.
>>18112561northern brazil
Maryland seceding would have made the USA defensive in stead of offensiveThe West would probably be staked out by the Confederacy and the BritishMexico would probably have to have been split between France and the CSA before going over to the Confederacy at some future point
>>18112561This poster's flag is Brazilian on /pol/ btw. He regularly shits up any threads over there with his conspiracy theory copypastas
>>18112561Big Brazil, would liberalize under rainbow nation values in the 60's. Alot of race mixing will ensue resulting in Brazil level of "whiteness" where 85% white and 15% black or otherwise would claim to be solely white The north would be super white in contrast and would be a super power having united with Canada in the early 20th century. The CSA would be a nominal Latin American country part of the Iberoamerican league
>>18114711Also would be around 2nd world level like say Portugal and would be the most well of Latam cunt and hold immense sway over their politics as a bilingual state where English and Spanish is mandatory learning like say modern Canada with English and French
>>18112561Horrible narco hellhole
>>18112561It would make muttmerica look like Hyperborea
>>18114717It would be way more bilingual than that.Canada is basically an Anglo country with one weird Franco provinceThis mutt nation would be like 4/5ths Hispanic by 2025. Mexico alone would outnumber every founding Confederate state
>>18113980This. It would look like Haiti. Maybe with a seasoning of warring states era China.>>18114092Pssst, anon, that’s called bleach, it can make people blond.
>>18112582Civil war was fake
>>18112561Golden Circle was always a comically retarded hairbrained scheme that no one in a position of actual policymaking in the Confederacy took seriously.Excluding the fact that potential stunts such as invading Cuba would have essentially amounted to a declaration of war against Spain and instantly drawn the ire of the United Kingdom (the preeminent global power at the time), there's the simple fact that the United States of America would still exist and they would presumably immediately make an addendum to the Monroe Doctrine from "Keep all European influence out of the Western Hemisphere" to "Keep all European AND Confederate influence out of the Western Hemisphere".Even something as seemingly minor as invading Mexico to seize a few towns could become a pretext for war by the United States.
>>18115402They wanted to ally with France (who backed the idea in order to separate an Anglo state in NA) and hoped their monopoly on cotton and sugar would keep the British on their side. They even planned to make Maximillian of Mexico an emperor to legitimize their state in the eyes of European monarchy. They expected to reclaim the northern states over time. Picrel>t. Knower
>>18115402>Golden Circle was always a comically retarded hairbrained scheme that no one in a position of actual policymaking in the Confederacy took seriously.Also, it is “rumored” that the Buchanan administration was completely made up of KOTGC.
>>18114092>>18115369Potential gyaru housewife
>>18112561>>18112582US would probably be like Haiti and the Dominican republic.
>>18112561>country>existLol.
>>18112561It would be a Spanish-speaking Catholic country with mainly quite leftist politics with a northern part which would, ironically, have a significant independence movement
>>18112561>>18112582Lots more blacks too. Southern negrophilic redneck hicks were seething they couldn't breed more negro pets to pick cotton and buck break. Imagine how many more nogs the fuckers would have bred considering how much damage they already did and how much the effects of their negrophilia are still felt to the present day.
>>18112561It would be South Africa tier. Good infrastructure in the cities, a white minority owning all the wealth, a small middle class and cyberpunk for the rest
>>18112561Realistically, I think they would only be able to control Cuba (Havana was to be the capital of the Golden Circle) and parts of Northern Mexico, since the US always wanted to annex Cuba until the Platt Amendment and continued to have strong control over it until the Cuban Revolution, while Northern Mexico bordering Texas, whose lands were poor for plantations, and some of them wanted Maximilian I to be King of the Golden Circle, which would make the entire Mexico part of Golden Circle. In the worst-case scenario, it would be like Haiti, in the best-case scenario, it would be like Brazil, a country that abolished Slavery at the turn of the 19th century, has massive European immigration and semi-industrialization, but remains a shithole because these factors only affect certain regions. They probably would have met their end in WW1 if the Zimmermann telegram had happened in that timeline.
>>18117329>They probably would have met their end in WW1 if the Zimmermann telegram had happened in that timeline.Yankee get butt-raped in two fronts conflict.
>>18114666>third world shitskin comprehension of ideologyWhy would white nationalists support a state that was run by a jew who didn't even feel the need to change his name to something less jewish? Do you think we blindly swear allegiance to the first group who declare niggers inferior just cause?
>>18115402>Even something as seemingly minor as invading Mexico to seize a few towns could become a pretext for war by the United States.I find it humorous when retards here think the confederacy would just get away with taking parts of LatAm even if they defeated them militarily. Despite the lack of an "international community", regional order was still kept by the caudillo game. They couldn't navigate local crime, let alone global politics.
>>18115065I can imagine some weird polarization of society where alot of Hispanics start to identify as solely white creating a splitting of Hispanic society which was present in atleast Mexico till the early 20th century where 30% still identify as Spanish white. I can imagine this creating alot of modern memery where 75% white castizos are crying about white genocide in the CSA because blacks and mestizos were given rights. And this would cause a Anglo-African movement to form a voting block to try and disenfranchise the Hispanic mestizos who would be immigrating en masse to the southern states and quite literally taking der jobs. God this hypothetical state would be such a shitshow that it would be kino af if it were real, i could imagine alot of slop would emerge from it like say modern Brazil that would make even Detroit seem civilized
>>18117368*DixieI imagine he meant the Zimmermann telegram would be directed to Mexico still. The CSA would be a natural British ally as they were reliant on both yankee and British industries buying their raw goods, the USA would also be much more German in character with most anti German sentiments being from the south and New England during OTL, with the south gone, the new English would keep their mouths shut. USA would either be neutral or pro German in this new timeline.
>>18118547The CSA that actually existed already had much, much lower standards for whiteness than the North did or after reconstruction. The most archetypical example is the Louisiana creoles, this ethnic group was replete with part African people. Yet they were legally white and participant in the Southern aristocracy. This is the ethnic group Beyoncé comes from, if the south won Beyoncé would be officially white. And this is just the more obvious and visible example than the growing number of clearly mixed Anglo-Southrons claiming whiteness, like Varina Davis.
>>18118566>most anti German sentiments came from the south(kkk, Woodrow Wilson, evangelism)>tfw we could have had a German world order if the Union had done what literally any other country would have done and wiped the south out while they had the chance>or even just deported them all or at the very least prevented them from voting for at least 100 yearsUnironically what the fuck were they thinking?
>>18118593Im aware of the standards of huwiteness in largely black areas, but in OTL we had millions of whites immigrate to the south and millions of blacks leave, had they become independant they would mix alot with Hispanic "whites" and be Argie tier where most "whites" actually have 5-35% nonwhite dna, which is common enough in modern Southern whites but far from the norm
>>18112561The world would be better for reasons unrelated to southron larps
>>18117423>blindly swear allegiance to the first group who declare niggers inferiorLiterally the only thing white nationalists have ever done that wasn't meth and child molestation, so, yeah. Facts don't care about your feelings, snowflake. Melt over it.
>>18112561Why would the Confederacy want Haiti?>inb4 to enslave le niggers Haiti had thrown off the shackles of slavery like 50 years before the civil war. If anything, re-enslaving them would have just resulted in their own slaves being introduced to even more whacky revolutionary ideas.
>>18121702Because this was never a well thought out ideology. It boils down to this.>dipshit has total power over other people and can laze about doing nothing aside from occasionally commanding these people to do something on pain of beating, maiming, or death while also getting rich off them and sometimes banging them if the fancy struck him>preserving this setup for as long as possible is the only goal. There is no goal other than keeping this sweet ass gig rolling for as long as possible and at any cost.With these two concepts laid out, their behavior becomes easier to understand. First? Haiti was poor and poorly armed with little international support and all those black people were just more slaves to add to the fields. Like a whole country of unattended John Deere’s that no one owns. All you have to do is shoot at some of them. Second, Haiti was the boogie man of the American south. The inevitable future that their policies were working to produce. Yet to address this the above posted setup would need to end. So like any cadre of morons when faced with cognitive dissonance? The response becomes DURR SMASH! That’s why. Haiti scared them but they would never abandon the policies that caused Haiti to scare them.
>>18112561the sheer preasure of the central american regions would have force them into abolishing slavery
>>18112561The slaveless poor southern yeomen would probably have to become one of the most Sparta-tier militarised classes in modern history for any kind of greater CSA to be viable. Domestic policy would in large part orbit around the constant policing and occupation of Central America and the British Caribbean.They’d also probably sooner or later recruit Hispanic non-black Caribenos into the higher ranks of their entrenched caste system regardless of their dubious whiteness. Similar elite culture, extremely racist, culturally and ideologically receptive to slavery.So, basically, it would be held up by the twin pillars of Cletus from Alabama and Juan from Puerto Rico for the benefit of their rich-slave holding counterparts against the perpetual threats of black people and Mexicans. The situation already simmering in the CSA of people committing to the pantomime of blatant, obvious Quadroons totally being 100% white would reach a fever pitch of absurdity as they integrate the Caribbean. It would not surprise me if they adopted some kind of blanqueamiento type ideology, at least for the lower free classes.
