On the previous thread, among the already listed and, many, crimes of the Hessian was their role in butchering innocent Americans. Upon further research, the state of Pennsylvania seems to be their prison camp during the war and a number of Hessians never returned to Germany to destroy Germany. Disregarding the casualties, which were the majority of the Hessians in America, some Hessians simply assimilated to the already German population. Are these hessians behind the civil war? Who organized the rabble of 1848? Why was the "German" Republic's capital Frankfurt, in-between two Hesses? Why was the civil war rhetoric ramped up to eleven after the 48ers immigrated? Hessians are behind euro and American wars. Their mercenary and violent looter traditions lead them to war, of course they would be destroyed if Hesse alone declared war, so they elect Hitler, they sell armies to the British, immigrate to America and abuse politics. It is a moral policy to nuke Frankfurt and dump the survivors to Rügen Thuringia, Baden and the Rhines should colonize the former Hessian lands.
NOoooo!!!!!YOU CAN’T USE MERCENARIES BECAUSE….BECAUSE YOU JUST CAN’T OK?!
>>18112665>Why was the "German" Republic's capital FrankfurtFrankfurt am Main was already the seat of the institutions of the German Confederation like the Bundesversammlung and the Bundeszentralbehörde. And as the revolution saw to continue and further unify this confederation, Frankfurt a. M. was kept.>Why was Frankfurt a. M. in particular chosen to be the seat for the governance of the German Confederation?The city is easily reached by river and other modes of travel (something that was already the case during the middle ages as many Imperial Diets were held in this city; the first one in 985 AD) and the majority of the election ceremonies of the German Kings were held there. In the early modern period the coronation ceremonies of the German King and Holy Roman Emperor came on top of that.
>butchering AmericansIs that supposed to be a bad thing?
>>18112665>Upon further research, the state of Pennsylvania seems to be their prison camp during the war and a number of Hessians never returned to Germany to destroy Germany. > Disregarding the casualties, which were the majority of the Hessians in America, some Hessians simply assimilated to the already German population.Pennsylvania and the midwest. The germans moved to a lot of the rust belt states, though less so illiniois and michigan. That's why the Pennsylvania Long Rifle, which predate the revolution, have a german/swiss shape that wasn't found in new england and why you see Schützenfests and Schützenfest style rifles in Pennsylvania and the midwest.They still do Schützenfests in the midwest and some other states. I don't think they do them in germany anymore but they do do them in switzerland and the tradition dates back to before germany anyway and like 2/3rds of swiss speak german and I've seen examples of both modern Schützenfests style rifles posted by swiss shooters and swiss Schützenfests with their 20th century rifles.Which is is ironic because the swiss stopped using "swiss style"/Schützen style rifles as their service rifles in the 1860s
>>18113011GMS!!!
>>18113018>I don't think they do them in germany anymore They are. One of the yearly excuses to drink large amounts of beer and eat rosted pig.And what are Schützenfest style rifles?
>>18113050they're designed for standing basically. they are all single shot rifles though they can be muzzle loading or breech loading, though the breech loaders tend to do this weird fucking thing where they load the bullet and then the case with powder. they generally have peep sights with a globe style front sight or a scope, I don't think I've seen one with open sights. they are low recoiling. I've seen ones in .22 and also ones in like 8mm black powder which is kind of small for black powder.they have super long barrelsthey have elaborate metal grips for your shooting hand and some times a palm wrest for your left handthey always have custom fitted stocks that drop a lot compared to the barrel, those stocks usually have a cheek riser and will often times but not always be highly decorative and ornamental they always have these really crazy looking crescent shaped buttplates which are also called swiss buttplates that like hooked into the area where there's a slight depression between your bicep and shoulder. it makes the gun more stable and easier to balance with the long heavy barrel but people seethe over them because if you shoot anything with a lot of recoil it hurts your arm. you see similar modern versions of those buttplates on modern olympic rifles and a less extreme version of that style buttplate was found on Pennsylvania long rifles, hawken rifles, planes rifles and most American sporting rifles until the 1900s such as winchester rifles
>>18113081>>18113050Here's one made in Zurich. You could get some of them off the shelf from like stevens or remington and you even see some modified winchesters but a lot were custom or semi custom
>>18113081>>18113094I see. But most examples of german military rifles from the 18th century don't have those curved stocks and usually they also don't have that long barrels.
>>18113114shutzen were target rifles, not military guns. either the buttplate would have appeared on german hunting guns before 1700 or the other possibility is that, since germany hadn't been founded yet, the immigrants were german speaking swiss or something. I think it would be odd for that style of gun to exist in german speaking zurich but not in south germany which would be close by
>>18113152Stutzen were hunting rifles. And the most famous military stutzen is the austrian M 1796 Jägerstutzen.>either the buttplate would have appeared on german hunting guns before 1700Stocks before the year 1700 are either really out there (top piece is from 1620, Nürnberg) or not unusual (bottom piece is from 1680/90, origin broadly southern Germany). It seems that those very prononced stocks you have posted only came about in the middle of the 19th century. I've reverse searched the images you have posted and neither mention concrete production dates - the first one only states that it is from the "mid to late 1800s". And when looking at digital catalogues of historic firearms those prononced stocks also only appear around the 1840s. The same goes for the Long Rifles - only around the 1840s do those prononced stocks appear.
>>18113022Ja?
>>18113209There's a swiss military rifle with that form from the mid 1800s and there are American examples from before 1776https://www.jacobsburghistory.com/society-collections/pennsylvania-longrifle-museum/https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/27559https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/834627Pic related is the 1851 swiss rifle every reference I've ever seen says the Pennsylvania long rifle came from german immigrants so the only other reason would be it came without the curved buttplate and then either Americans and swiss invented it independently or a german speaking swiss also brought it over Google is also fucking ass now so it's probably not the best for searching stuff because their indian cfo intentionally ruined searches in 2019
>>18114530eat shit>>18113209here's a german example from 1840https://www.ima-usa.com/products/original-german-engraved-percussion-hunting-rifle-by-ulbrich-of-dresden-with-set-trigger-safety-circa-1840?variant=40053293482053and a german crossbow from 1700 somethinghttps://auction.sedwickcoins.com/item.aspx?i=28140494&mobile=0both start to show the curved buttplate, though not that extreme, that wasn't found on bong guns
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They were not technically mercinaries, as they were hired from the state of Hesse and ot as individual warbands. Hessians had fought everywhere, Italy and Netherlands under Eugene of Savoy, for the British during the Jacobite Rebellion,and the faught on both sides in the war of spanish succession.Hesse was basically Prussia on steroids, they had arms factories and always kept 5% of the population under arms.
>>18114943didn't the swiss do that too?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OQtyJt9pAolate 1800s? german schutzen
>>18114917The first standardized swiss service rifle was the Infanteriegewehr M 1842. Your pic is a Eidgenössischer Stutzer 1851, which were only issued to the sharpshooter companies. Both rifles were superceded by the Vetterli rifle family after 1869, which have either flat but stocks or only slightly curved ones.>https://www.jacobsburghistory.com/society-collections/pennsylvania-longrifle-museum/Doesn't mention the production years of specific pieces. And the picture only features slightly curved rifle stocks.>https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/27559Made between 1820 and 1830.>https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/834627Not with a (strongly) curved rifle butt.>every reference I've ever seen says the Pennsylvania long rifle came from german immigrants so the only other reason would be it came without the curved buttplate [...]And all examples of early long rifles (that is before the year 1800) I've seen feature flat or at best only slightly curved butts.>[...]and then either Americans and swiss invented it independently or a german speaking swiss also brought it overThat seems to be the most likely case.>>18114927>here's a german example from 1840Not a very pronounced butt either.>and a german crossbow from 1700 somethingNow we are getting somewhere.>>18115000By the 18th century the swiss had limited their service basically to be the guards of various european monarchies. Most noticably the Papal States and France. Swiss field regiments that actaully saw regular combat were a thing of the 15th and 16th centuries.
>>18114927Go eat scat, clowns
>>18117053eat shit and suck tranny cock, faggot>>18115919I highly doubt both cultures independently developed the same curved buttstock
>>18117059Joined 41% & get dilated
>>18117410nah, that's you, anti gun yuro troon
I am shaking.>My dna test just came back>23% Hessian>Last week it was 14%>I’m scared bros>My buddy was wearing an American flag shirt and while leaving Long Island he twisted his ankle and fell to the floor, helpless> I felt an uncontrollable urge to bayonet himThis might be my last post in English, farewell.
>>18117059>I highly doubt both cultures independently developed the same curved buttstockAll early pieces (so around the 1830s) with those strongly curved butt stocks are of american origin. European examples date to the 1840s.But in general I can't find any real information about the stocks of rifles.
>>18117560I know in >the gun and it's developmentwhich was published between 1881 and 1910 (9 editions)Greener, the writer, specifically calls them swiss buttplates and fucking seethes over them because he's a bong. So to me, it would be odd for an American invention to be credited to the swiss
