So, I'm all for getting women back onto the "right", but this idea that women should be stay-at-home moms exclusively is abso-fucking-lutely retarded.Except for a brief, 20-30 year window after World War 2, women both before and after that, largely worked. And I'm not saying they folded laundry, or cooked meals, I mean they had fucking JOBS.This laughable dream of the right, that women sat at home humming with a baby on one knee and a knitted sweater in the other, is a mythical creation of those on the right who hold the fallacy of the traditional man.Women were bakers, cooks, maids, nannies, wet mothers, seamstresses, tanners, worked merchant stalls, textiles, mills, brewed, were cooks/chefs (One of the first American cookbooks was written by a woman, Amelia Simmons, American Cookery (1796)), and a whole plethora of other niche jobs and roles within the community as a whole.Men largely did the hard physical labor, yes, but women were mostly right beside them, also working. The idea of the stay-at-home pampered princess who did nothing but care and cook for the home is an invention of the 20th century for a specific pocket of time. For 99% of human history, it was relegated mostly to the elites, upper class, and upper-middle class who were able to allow this life style, and they constituted less than 10% of the population of their communities.
>>18117747Traditionalism is not about work, it's about forcing women into sex
>>18117747Women have always been busy but domestic labor used to be actual labor that you did at home. Even noble women participated in the economy, historically.
>>18117747I'll keep my wife at home. You can do what you want with yours. I don't care what you have to say about mine.
>>18117763Which is a good thing because there are studies that say touch starvation shortens a man's life. Its about picking your battles. Not only that but what is society supposed to do about the lack of births in the last decade>nooo more kids means more goy slaves! B-because reasons! You must allow abortion!Complete disinfo pushed to lower European birthrates under the guise of "humanism".>but Africans are pushing out kids en masse!Because their society isn't concerned with intellect, or the rights of females. Why should we be, either?
>>18117747>abso-fucking-lutelyFaggot
>>18117747>but this idea that women should be stay-at-home moms exclusively is abso-fucking-lutely retarded.Not reading the rest, thank you
>>18117789>abso-fucking-lutelyGood catch. Go back, OP.
>>18117836I don't think you missed much by not reading this; we had a similar thread, and it wasn't fruitless, it was quite useless, just like this one.>>18117778I have exactly the same opinion; my wife is young, but she's already destined to be a housewife.
>>18117747>women didn't just stay at home>lists all of the jobs women did, all but one (merchant stalls) are done at home>merchant stalls were usually in direct proximity to their homeThanks op
>>18117747>Before that>Proceeds to describe post enclosure modern capitalist society>>18117763Sorry but your melodramatic cunt opinion has been discardedBoth of you go back and OP read about the development of capitalism post 1500s
>women in the workforce is a direct consequence of industrialization and the fact the wives can’t stay at home to farmstead. The trads are retarded as always, and the cat is out of the bag. There’s no way for stay at home moms being the norm again without a complete overturning of civilization. t. father with a housewife
>>18117947Didn’t mean to greentext
>>18117747Working FOR your own household with your husband being in authority is not homologous to women working 8 hours a day for a "boss"
>>18117947>the wives can’t stay at home to farmsteadthey can, though. they just don't want to. human beings are pitiful and worship EASE.
>>18117962You’re going to give 40 acres and a mule to 300 million Americans?
>>18117917>>Proceeds to describe post enclosure modern capitalist society>ignores the fact that women foraged and helped during hunts with the men for thousands of years before we had languageI shiggy you fucking retard
>>18117970No. But if you wish to be left behind in the cities it's completely on you. Or at least, MOSTLY, if you want a little wiggle room to bitch about circumstances.
>>18117972>helped during hunts with the menEveryone seems to miss the CRITICAL FUCKING FACT that an infant needs to be with its mother 24/7. Do you think MOTHERS were doing any fucking mammoth hunting? With a suckling infant jostling around in some sling? Fucking IMBECILE.
>>18117789>>18117836>>18117844Virgin beta male's that hypocritically listen to literal faggots like Nick Fuentes who sucked dick on camera, lecturing others about how to speak. Tip top kek.
>>18117962> human beings are pitiful and worship EASE.Mommy can’t reach you to write, Sally, der Chud wants me to spend 2 hours doing laundry because washing machines aren’t “basedpilled”.
>>18117747tranny or foid, either way kys
>>18117972Women didnt help during hunts thats pop history marxist bullshit. There are still hunter gather societies and in exactly 0 is hunting even in the realm of female life.>foragingwow! literally the neolithic equivalent to cooking and cleaning.Im clearly talking to a hole here i gotta respect my time more
>>18117990If you think reading and writing is "hard" it sort of proves you're an invalid. Evidenced by thinking 2 hours a week is enough to impede spending time with your children... in fact, if that's the case, how BAD is 40+ hours a week? lol
>>18117985Do you FUCKING THINK women had infants SUCKLING THEIR TITS 24/7 to infinity you fucking INBRED RETARD?You know what happens when females that already have an off-spring they're caring for, are approached by males looking to fuck them? They kick them in the head till they're fucking dead, you dumb faggot. Women are not baby factories.https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LYoFTgaQ6esHunter-gatherer societies practiced COOPERATIVE CHILDCARE, a concept called ALLOPARENTING, you dumb fucking troglodyte. Mothers, grandmothers, aunts, older siblings, and even unrelated adults all helped carry, nurse, and feed children. This freed mothers to forage, craft, or participate in hunts in varying degrees.RESEARCH and READ before you open your big fat faggot flap that's only suitable for sucking alpha male's dicks.
>hey women participate in society too >SHUT UP HOLE
>>18117995Among the Agta, women routinely hunt large game (wild pigs, deer), often using dogs and bows.Hadza women primarily gather, but they also hunt small animals such as hares, birds, or dik-diks, and sometimes join men in larger hunts.Martu women are known for communal hunting of goanna (monitor lizards), a vital food source. These hunts are social and skill-based, not marginal labor.Thank you for proving how uneducated, retarded, and wrong you are, thanks for playing.
>>18118004>Do you FUCKING THINK women had infants SUCKLING THEIR TITS 24/7 to infinity you fucking INBRED RETARD?... yes? maybe not suckling literally the time, but you HAVE to feed them when they're hungry. it's on-demand. >You know what happens when females that already have an off-spring they're caring for, are approached by males looking to fuck them?their husband, brothers, and father kill that man?
>>18118022>yes?Women typically breast-fed for 2-3 years before industrialization, and guess what?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet_nurse>their husband, brothers, and father kill that man?Too bad, they're out hunting, she gets raped, in your fantasy retard world. In reality, she kills him with a knife/club and goes on her merry way.
>>18117986Your pattern recognition is worthless.
>>18117998Your brain is worthless
>>18117789Nigger
>>18118028Wetnurses are not a universal constant in human cultures. Women are not usually always ready to lactate.>Too bad, they're out hunting, she gets raped, in your fantasy retard worldI mean this is a real thing that happened, though it was often foreign tribes making a raid, knowing the men were away. Social bonds within a tribe were such that it was unlikely any fellow tribesman would ever attempt rape (this isn't to say they were moral - they sated these evil urges on other tribes).Are you actually under the impression that human women are remotely capable of physical combat against human men? You posted a fucking 2,000 lb horse in a prior post. You realize that horses are not as dimorphic as humans, right?
Before industrial Modernity there was much more work to do in a given household. Combine this with the fact that farms and natural resource harvesting and trades and skilled labor like woodworking could put a whole family to work.Then the men went off to factorys and the women had very little to do but sit at home all day because modern appliances took even that work away. Then Timmy and Jilly went to government school instead of working with thier family. Timmy went to college and moved 2000 miles away where he works in an office. Jilly went to college and moved to the city to become a writer. She did'nt get by just from writing so she took a job as a secretary and found that despite dating half a dozen office semi chads none of them wanted to marry her. Jilly retired outside the city and lives alone with no children.
>>18117763>forcing women into sexIf you have to force them, you're doing it wrong Traditionalism is about ying and yang. Men outside, women at home Two sides of the same coin, the man leads the woman helpssimilar to the overlord-vassal feudal relationshipBoth have rights and obligations
>>18117747A White House shill wrote this.
>>18117747You are falling to the same trap that modern socialist fall into, the assumption that all "jobs" are equal. The key differences in pre-sexual liberation workforce from today:>women were materially dependent on their husbands>women were not in higher education>women were not professionals Giving women access to these 3 factors has undermined the family unit and distorted the societal balance to an unimaginable degree.
>>18118109>women were materially dependent on their husbands>women were not in higher education>women were not professionals>Giving women access to these 3 factors has undermined the family unit and distorted the societal balance to an unimaginable degreeWhat would Spangler say?
>>18118109The family unit was undermined by the nuclear family meme. Once extended families were BTFO to maximize CONSOOMPTION and reliance on Capital & the State, the family unit was destroyed.Women-blaming is just massive cope.
>>18118273Would Spangler agree with you or with the women bashing. Whatever he said, I agree with him
>>18118273It goes hand in hand. There is no women-blaming just as there is no man-blaming. I don't believe in "men's issues" or "women's issues". Men and women are 2 parts of the same whole.
>>18118273Actually anon the nuclear family is just the traditional family unit in England, the Netherlands and other parts of Northern Europe. Angl9-saxon has no word for cousin, it had to be imported from france.Not everyone lived communal household animal warren lifestyles like asiatics tend to do.Thirdies have more eccentric families.In
>>18118389Yes we know that Krautoids are horrible individualistic goblins. More news at 11.
>>18118397Most european family structires are formated similarly.
>>18118424Not in Italy and Greece and last I heard these motherfuckers civilized the rest of you.
>>18118428England long surpassed both
>>18118428And 'the rest' civilized you in turn so shut up.
>>18117747The idea isn't for them to be pampered princesses, it's to give absolute priority to homemaking rather than their careers as useless corpo-rats.For that matter, the same should be for men. Having to go far for work only works as an excuse so long as the alternative is destitution.
>>18117747OP, you're more intelligent than 90% of this board. Good on you. Thank you for the effort post and change of pace.
