Was Cain morally right? God acted as a tyrant with him, why should him or anyone accept unjust authority?
>>18119257There's no such thing as unjust authority from God as that would imply God is bound to a system supreme to Himself. Notions such as morality and justice are given from God and taken by Him.Fun fact - the Great Flood did not infringe on anyone's right to live or exist, because it was God who undertook it.
>>18119257The story as we have it is presented as yawhistic scripture. As such you will be told by believers that god is always right so cain must therefore be in the wrong. Cain is presented as a murderer, which I imagine you think is wrong in some way. It is puzzling from a narrative perspective why god, who clearly has a personal relationship with cain, never bothers to tell him ahead of time that he isn't in to grain. Cain seems to suffer no actual punishment for his unsatisfactory offering, god is just rude to him about it, it really seems like his anger is due to the rejectionnof their personal relationship, but god doesn't actually DO anything bad to cain over it. Punishment for standing up to tyrannical gods isn't exactly unheard of in the region (prometheus and all that) but cain as he appears in the bible is definitely not a prometheus. Personally I think that the sacrifice rejection was a yawhistic insertion in to an older existing narrative about a man cursed to walk the earth for his brother's murder. Prometheus also has a story about sacrifice and attempting to hide something from Zeus's sight, so it seems possible to me that they are both participating in the same genre, but any positive characteristic that cain might have inherited was extirpated by the necessity of yahweh's essential goodness, a narrative weakness zeus does not have.
Fat kids, you have to actually read the story and look up the words you are using okay I'm sorry but if you can't put this amount of effort into it you just come off as an obese retard who isn't attending school for some reason
>>18119257What was unjust about it?
>>18119257>>18119257By your interpretation, why would a tyrant God grant him the right to murder someone else? >>18119294>>18119294While grain and meat surely have some symbolical meaning, God didnt just reject it because it was grain. As it says in the miserere psalm - God doesnt want holocausts, but a humbled and contrite heart. Which Cain lacked.
>>18119294>original mesopotamian flood myth that later alo got adopted by the greeks>one of the main God is annoyed by humans and want to get rid of them>another God tries to hinder him from doing that and rescues a man and his family or the man, his family and his servants>the man and the other people he rescued survive>the man builds an altar or makes a sacrifice to the God who caused the flood to reconcile with him>the God who caused the flood sees that he was wrong and admits his faults>abrahamic flood myth>God wants to kill humanity because they are "evil">he tells a man about this to rescue him and his family>the flood ends and God tells Noah that he will never do this again as if God changed his opinion>abrahamics claim that God never changes his opinion>God kills a bunch of other people according to their scripture, he even destroys two cities and commands his people to commit genocide>"evil" still exists
>>18119268This is what religious people mean when they say atheists have no objective morality. Lmao
>>18120685Genesis does not explain why God liked one sacrifice and didn't like the other, but that's no excuse to start applying reasoning backwards. You might as well dig up any other reason God doesn't like people and assign it to Cain.Unscholarly.
>>18120711>Thou shall not kill except for the people I tell you to genocide and for the death penalty>Thou shall not steal except towards the tribes you conquer>If a child disobeys its parentd then it should be killedAnd also this from Leviticus 2:>22 When a ruler sinneth, and doeth unwittingly any one of all the things which Jehovah his God hath commanded not to be done, and is guilty;>23 if his sin, wherein he hath sinned, be made known to him, he shall bring for his oblation a goat, a male without blemish.>24 And he shall lay his hand upon the head of the goat, and kill it in the place where they kill the burnt-offering before Jehovah: it is a sin-offering.>25 And the priest shall take of the blood of the sin-offering with his finger, and put it upon the horns of the altar of burnt-offering; and the blood thereof shall he pour out at the base of the altar of burnt-offering.>26 And all the fat thereof shall he burn upon the altar, as the fat of the sacrifice of peace-offerings; and the priest shall make atonement for him as concerning his sin, and he shall be forgiven.>27 And if any one of the common people sin unwittingly, in doing any of the things which Jehovah hath commanded not to be done, and be guilty;>28 if his sin, which he hath sinned, be made known to him, then he shall bring for his oblation a goat, a female without blemish, for his sin which he hath sinned.>29 And he shall lay his hand upon the head of the sin-offering, and kill the sin-offering in the place of burnt-offering.>30 And the priest shall take of the blood thereof with his finger, and put it upon the horns of the altar of burnt-offering; and all the blood thereof shall he pour out at the base of the altar.
>>18120732>Thou shall not killThe commandment is "Thou shalt not murder"I didn't read anything else you wrote because I assume it was equally stupidHope this helps
>>18120715While there are references to grain sacrifices to yawheh in the bible there's a strong tendency toward animal sacrifice. It makes sense from a historical perspective that god in the text of genesis would prefer Abel's sacrifice because it is the kind being practised in the temple by the people who wrote the story down.
>>18120745Yeah okay so the game is we apply reverse logic to the Bible until we run into something that doesn't make sense that way either?
>>18119257I'm glad more people are seeing it this way.
>>18120765You seem either mad or confused. I was talking about the story as an artefact of the historical development of yawhism. Whether or not it makes narrative sense to you or I is neither here nor there to me.
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