If the Bible's god was good, he would have been proud of the builders at Babel. The story’s logic is inverted, humans cooperating, communicating, and building together should be a divine triumph. Instead, God panics about their unity and confounds there language so they may not cooperate anymore.
>>18120335>there language*their language
>>18120335God hates Globohomo and supports localism, division, segregation, and relativism.
What if we just stopped believing in Jewish fairytales?
>>18120335>Reach for knowledge you are not ready for>Get horribly punished>Reach for heights you are not ready for>"God should have been proud"Huh? >humans cooperating, communicating, and building together should be a divine triumphYou have such low opinion of humanity? That our divine triumph should be like that of ants and beavers? Whether it's by eating a forbidden fruit, building a tower to heavens, raping God's messengers, idolatry, whatever....The entire story of the OT is humanity trying to find shortcuts to God and God getting them back on track.
>>18120358Yeah, because it is profitable for him to keep mankind divided and fight each other than united with a common purpose. Maybe you should think long and hard about why that is.
>>18120364>knowledge you are not ready forRemind me, who says they weren't ready, God?
>the actual real life tower of babel (etemenanki) was just 66 meters tall, built in the iron age, and destroyed at the time of aleander the greatwtf so an entire iconic old testament narrative is objectively false and warped by the fact that its writer was some jewish hick who had no access to an accurate chronology of history or enough world knowledge to know about the pyramid of giza's existence?!?!?!!
>>18120458Yes. The same God who offered them heavens and eternity though the proper way.
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>>18120488>the proper wayaccording to God
>>18120500You say that almost like there is a better source than the literal all-knowing creator?
>>18120335DEVIL
>>18120528>the literal all-knowing creatorYHWH is actually the all knowing creator according to..?
>>18120539According to him pushing out every other god. I will gladly point you in a particular direction if you have a specific question, since we do actually have claims from competing cults about this. But we both know you don't have a particular direction.
>>18120335Ironically, the fall was redeemed. Retroactively condoning exactly what they were actually doing, which was not what it seems on a surface level literal reading.
>>18120486So how do you know that this particular ziggurat is the Tower of Babel? Ziggurats have been constructed since the end of the 5th millennium BC, with them being as tall as 100ft by the end of the 3rd millennium out of the ones that survive, like the Ziggurat of Ur. Literally any ziggurat within this time period could be one described by this story. Etemenaki Ziggurat is far too young, even with the earliest construction date in the 14th - 9th century BC range (includes the Bronze Age btw, per its Wikipedia article you likely used).The Tower of Babel’s description itself is light on details:> As people moved eastward, they found a plain in Shinar and settled there. They said to each other, “Come, let’s make bricks and bake them thoroughly.” They used brick instead of stone, and tar for mortar. Then they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves; otherwise we will be scattered over the face of the whole earth.”Genesis 11:2-4The only details we get are that the tower was built in Shinar (the region of Babylonia), that it was made of baked bricks, and was tall enough to “reach the heavens”, which roughly describes a ziggurat. Ziggurats were constructed in that region out of baked bricks and in Babylonian inscriptions were hyperbolically described as “reaching the heavens”. You interpret the ziggurat location as the CITY of Babylon, while the text mentions the REGION of Babylonia, which is anywhere that the Babylonians ruled (picrel). This large area encompasses numerous ziggurats of known and unknown exact locations, and almost every major city in Babylonia had one for hundreds of years minimum by this point.You’re willfully misinterpreting the location data to get a result that doesn’t match the story, then falsely claiming the story is anachronistic because you arrived at the wrong result on purpose.Get BTFO by Mesopotamian archaeology.
>>18120335>The story’s logic is inverted, humans cooperating, communicating, and building together should be a divine triumph. Instead, God panics about their unity and confounds there language so they may not cooperate anymore.What I don't understand is why God supposedly wants people to live forever when the whole purpose of kicking everyone out of the garden was because we might eat from the trea of eternal life.
>>18120486Yes you're right, but that's just the temple. There was another building in the area described by Herodotus that was even larger, but it had been destroyed twice by Alexander's time.>>18121609What a strange post. You spent the first 90% of it proving him correct, then rested your case on the fact that it could be any other ziggurat in Babylon. The point is that the name Babel comes from Babylon and it was probably a historical building. As for this quip here:>Etemenaki Ziggurat is far too young, even with the earliest construction date in the 14th - 9th century BC rangeThat's irrelevant since none of the OT is real anyways. We're talking about a work of fiction. Abraham comes from Ur of the Chaldees putting him in the 600s BC and obviously that does not make sense. Moses is born in the time of Ramesses II which we know because the town of Pi-Ramesses is built, but if he exiles out of Egypt into the Levant then he's just wandering out of western Egypt and into eastern Egypt.
>>18121616>treatree, don't know how I even made that typo lmao
>>18120335It is, God isn't good
>>18121625The problem Anon >>18120486 has with the story (as I understand it) is that the story is anachronistic because he somehow knows Etemenaki is the ziggurat mentioned, thus said story is far too young to be authentic. He far too narrowly interprets the location data to just the city of Babylon instead of the wider region (as stated explicitly in the text), thus intentionally getting a result that’s far too young for the purported age of the story sometime pre-2000 BC. The point of my post was showing this error, and since there are many ziggurat ruins in the wider Babylonia region that could qualify as the Tower of Babel from the story’s supposed era, the ziggurat’s description can’t be used show the story is anachronistic.If you want to prove the story anachronistic, you would need other methods to do so.
>>18121633>If you want to prove the story anachronistic, you would need other methods to do so.It's not real. Please tell me you know that. I need to know you know that.
>>18121635I interpret the Tower of Babel story allegorically, and also hold that it’s an authentically ancient myth of the Hebrews/Canaanites to explain the world’s many languages. These positions aren’t mutually exclusive.
>>18121638>it’s an authentically ancient myth of the Hebrews/CanaanitesSee, there's your problem. You think Hebrews were also Canaanites. The reason why you think that is because you have to. There's no room on the map for Hebrews that far back, and ALL of the language in the region is Canaanite. The problem of course is that Hebrews did not exist, and Deuteronomy 7 1 even says to destroy the Canaanites. The even bigger problem is that modern "Hebrew" is basically just updated Aramaic, which is updated Canaanite. The conundrum then leads to the unsavory conclusion that modern "Isralis" are actually Canaanites that the Bible declares throughout must be destroyed. Of course, again, Hebrews never even existed.
>>18120335Pretty obvious that the god of Christianity is the Chthonic monster Typhon.
According to Sumerian mythology, Enki-Ea confused the languages when humans worshipped Enlil.Some Jewish midrashim write that the tower was meant to destroy/overthrow the heavens. Some Native American peoples believed that giants were trying to reach the moon.The Greeks also had a myth that giants built enormous structures to reach the forests. Ullikumi may be connected to this.
>>18121643How did you come up with this claim?
>>18120486>reddity passive agresive tone>appeal to official authorityI am supposed to care?
>>18120335I don't even care about the faggot killing, but destroying the tower of babel was a bitch small penis move, just pure envy, the god of the bible is not all powerful because no all powerful god would get scared of a building.
>>18123413Have fun burning.
>>18123417have fun spending the only life you have thinking about the next life that will never come, all to please a jew demon disguised as a deity.
>sees you build something great>instantly gets mad and destroys ityeah I'm beggining to think god is a woman
>>18120335This is not hard. He clearly meant the inevitable destruction of pre 2016 and pre 2024 globohomo and all of that stuff. It's right out in the open. This is not difficult. Stop making it difficult.
>>18120335No because Nimrod was evil and God didn't want mankind slave to evil men. The fall of the tower produced all the beautiful languages of the world. Now christians are working hard to being the spirit of Christ to every nation. The spirit of Christ is freedom, but freedom is proportional to morality. The more moral your community is the more free they are.
>>18123427>>18123413The tower housed veil breacher, so they either tried to open portal to his home or the hell.
>>18123413>When are fulfilled the threats of the great God With which he threatened men, when formerly In the Assyrian land they built a tower, And all were of one speech, and wished to rise Even till they climbed unto the starry heaven, Then the Immortal raised a mighty wind And laid upon them strong necessity; For when the wind threw down the mighty tower, Then rose among mankind fierce strife and hate. One speech was changed into many dialects, And earth was filled with divers tribes and kings.
>In the rabbinical concept of the seven earths, molded one out of another in successive catastrophes, the generation which built the Tower of Babel inhabited the fourth earth; but it goes on to the fifth earth where the men become oblivious of their origin and home: those who built the Tower of Babel are told to forget their language. This generation is called “the people who lost their memory.” The earth which they inhabited was “the fifth earth, that of oblivion (Neshiah)>In the ancient Mexican traditions it is told that those who survived the catastrophe of the “sun of wind” lost “their reason and speech.”>The characteristic of this catastrophe was its influence upon the mental, or mnemonic, capacity of the peoples. The description of it, as told by many tribes and peoples, if it contains authentic features, arouses the surmise that the earth underwent an electromagnetic disturbance, and that the human race experienced something that in modern terms seems like a consequence of a deep electrical shock.>The application of electrical current to the head of a human being often results in a partial loss of memory; also a loss of speech may be induced by the application of electrodes to specific areas of the brain
