Are Aragon (the medieval Kingdom) and Catalonia the same people?
>>18123205No, Catalans were the servants of the Aragonese and that's why they had zero qualms about uniting with Castile as they saw the Castilians as far closer to them than the coastal mixed merchants
Imagine Princess Daisy speak Aragonese?
Battle of Muret should include in Medieval Total War 2
>>18123219What did the Aragonese become after the union?
>>18123463Castilian
>>18123466They still speak own local language today
>>18123205Catalonia (Or rather the County of Barcelona) was one of the constituent parts of the Crown of Aragon, which was a composite monarchy which also included Valencia, the Balearic Isles, Sardinia, Sicily and NaplesBear in mind this was not a proper country in the modern sense, but rather a Crown was the collective sum of all the properties and titles belonging to the same Legal Personality
>>18123219That was on paper, but once Barcelona became the capital of the Aragonese Empire, they basically became the same thing.
>>18123205All of them are Occitans, the distinction is actually meaningless.
>>18123790Basically like electors-principality of Brandenburg and dukedom of Prussia or Danes-Norway.
>>18123205Lord of Rings characters from this kingdom?
>>18123507>Bear in mind this was not a proper country in the modern sense, but rather a Crown was the collective sum of all the properties and titles belonging to the same Legal PersonalityWell, to be fair, so was Castille until the Bourbons took over
>>18124387Yeah, Spain was still a collection of various small kingdoms that just happened to be under the same monarchy, so Aragon remained it's own separate crown until thrn
Good thread
>>18123507Another exampleWhenever the Austrian Empire had to negotiate the status of Hungary within the Monarchy, they never used Hungary the Country, but rather the "Lands of the Crown of Saint Stephen" which was the corporate legal entity that included both the proper Kingdom of Hungary and the Kingdom of Croatia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt-0RrzQyPQ
>>18123205Why Southern Viet rip the flag off?
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>>18123205So what is the Catalan pov? Do they consider the Kingdom of Aragon as the legal predecessor of Catalonia?
>>18123205Medieval kingdoms were only very loosely related to the people they governed. The Black Death causing the average peasant to gain twice the amount of political bargaining power, coupled with the population boom afterward meant that Kingdoms began moving towards the concept of "nation-state" representing "the people"
>>18125704Yes and no
