Aside from the hardcore Evangelicals most Protestants in the United States celebrate Halloween, an Americanized version of a Catholic holiday. Kinda weird that America is a Protestant country but one of its biggest holidays comes from the Catholics (due to Irish immigration). I guess it's also kinda an Irish holiday too.
>>18123313You could just as well call Easter and Christmas Catholic holidays by that standard. But just fyi it's a cultural holiday here and not an official one.
>>18123313It's older than catholicism, retard
>>18123313>an Americanized version of a Catholic holidayLmao. What Catholic holidays are even original? When was Jesus born?
>>18123322But Easter and Christmas are ubiquitous in Protestantism with only a few exceptions. I guess in a way those are also Catholic holidays (especially Christmas) but even the Eastern Orthodox celebrate those two. Their All Saints Day falls on a totally different date than the Catholic one though, and not even due to the difference between the Gregorian and Julian but just because it's actually kinda unrelated to the Catholic version in that it is associated with Easter, while in Catholicism the traditions surrounding All Saints Day form their own unique liturgical period. In fact, Catholics are required to attend Mass on November 1 (All Saints Day). This is where Halloween ultimately derives, it is an Irish custom (and actually Scottish too) that mutated in America and Canada and is now a major holiday in both those countries.
>>18123327The Samhain bullshit is pop history idiocy. The connection between the two is vague only insofar that November 1 (the traditional date of Samhain October 31 - November 1) is still recognized as sorta a cultural Celtic day. But like all the modern traditions of Halloween don't stem back to anything in Samhain, they're all ultimately derived from slightly older popular Catholic folk practice (like guising) or from ones that were completely invented in America and Canada.
>the hardcore EvangelicalsYou mean the guys who really believe the bible?
Power of pagan tradition. Thanksgiving is pagan too
>>18123337Youre half right. Many of the traditions actually come from lemuria, an older roman pagan festival.
>>18123313I find it funny how Aussies get super pissed off about people celebrating it, like it makes them seethe so bad.
>>18123346There is no evidence Halloween is pagan. Just like there is no evidence either Easter or Christmas are.
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>>18123352The claim easter is named after an anglo pagan goddess comes from your own priests retard. Are you calling the venerable saint bede a liar? You might as well call the whole mother church a den of liars
>>18123313>celebrating Halloween The fires of hell have gotten hotter. Enjoy it mortals.
>>18123365Thank you enjoy hell anon for agreeing with me. Halloween is pagan. Hail Lugh!
>>18123352well it's a harvest festival, right?
Today most people will be ritually initiated into something satanic.
>>18123369So is Easter technically.
>>18123313>I guess it's also kinda an Irish holiday too.It has been an Irish holiday for thousands of years and still is. It was called Samhain before it was called Halloween or the two just became mixed up but was still kinda traditional when I was a kid but very Americanised now.
>>18123386Nope. Wrong. See >>18123337
how could halloween be an ancient pagan celtic holiday if pumpkins come from north america? lol
>>18123396They used turnips before that
>>18123398so in other words it's american not pagan? lol
>>18123398Carving turnips into jack O lanterns doesn't predate the 18th century, anon.
>>18123396They use turnips or something over there.
>>18123383wtf are you talking about
>>18123420Jesus is the firstfruits
>>18123431It's the Christian contunation of Passover, the festival of barley. It began as a Canaanite harvest festival that got Judaized and then Christianized. In most languages that are not Germanic it is called after the Greek word Pascha, which derives from the Aramaic Pesach for Passover.
>>18123400No its american pagan not irish pagan
>>18123431doesn't that mean he's just the first guy resurrected
>>18123436So where did the germanic word for it come from and why does it have etynological connections to eos and aura, the goddesses of the eastern sky?
>>18123405Just because it wasn't written about earlier doesn't mean it didn't happen, anon.
>>18123405You mean the earliest museum examples are from the 18th century. The practice of making spooky faces to ward off spirits is a well documented pagan custom. It appears nowhere in the bible. Why dont you paint your doors red with child blood or something like jews did?
>>18123451The burden is on you to show direct evidence between the modern traditions of Halloween and paganism. All evidence we have thus far does not directly connect to pagan customs. >>18123445Argument from silence.
>>18123477I already showed you evidence od that. The original date for all saints day was may 13, the same date as the roman pagan festival of ghosts, lemuria. Also known as larvae the festival of masks. Hmmm. During the festival the patriarchs of roman households would cast beans around to placate the ancestral dead of previous patriarchs of the family. Children would wear masks while holding baskets full of beans. Its pretty obvious to anyone with a brain that the irish customs around halloween are related, either from seperate celtic customs that predate roman influence and go back to a common indo aryan festival, or from roman pagan influence on celtic pagans
>>18123440Because the month in which it was celebrated in was called after the name of the goddess. It'd be like if we called Independence Day just "July". It doesn't mean we're celebrating something about Julius Caesar. Classic etymological fallacy. Nobody celebrates anything about Eostre during Easter.
>>18123489>I already showed you evidence od that. The original date for all saints day was may 13, the same date as the roman pagan festival of ghosts, lemuria. Also known as larvae the festival of masks. Hmmm.Speculating is not a good method for doing history, anon. Give me direct evidence, quotations, physical evidence, etc. You have offered no proof that this is actually the case. Also even if it was the case that May 13 was chosen because of Lemuria that does not mean Lemuria=Halloween. Christians were already celebrating martyrs days, in places across the empire, and on many different dates. Celebrating a festival for the martyrs and saints more generally wasn't something new.
>>18123313All Catholic holidays are just cucked versions of Anglican holidays because Catholics rely on Bede's calculations, and Bede was under the Archbishop of Canterbury.
>>18123313Nothing weird about it, retard. Halloween was also celebrated in Protestant Scotland and Protestant England. Robert Burns was writing about it in the 1700s already.Also not all Protestantism is the same, plenty of Protestant denominations don't really see any need to "purge" themselves of anything Catholic, the original movement was merely to *reform* the Catholic Church after all.
>>18123313No one actually cares where a thing is from.
>>18123337>they're all ultimately derived from slightly older popular Catholic folk practice (like guising)What the hell is Catholic about guising? It has nothing to do with theology or church practices, it's a Scottish folk tradition but not "Catholic"
