Would the Nazi Regime survive a thousand years if it never started WW2?
>>18123735It will survive 1000 years regardless of (((ww2)))
There would have to be a war against Poles eventually
>>18123746What he would just take over the German areas like he did with France and act as a buffer between Western Europe and the Communist east. This is what the US and UK initially wanted
Perhaps Fascists would be too loose with the bomb. For a brief time, the United States had a nuclear arsenal without even needing to worry that the Soviets might have a bomb to shoot back with. There was a window of opportunity for Americans to milk the strategic utility of the bomb before it became an extinction threat, that a different state/regime may have taken under the same circumstances. Even in 1949-1950, the US nuclear advantage could have been put to use without an extinction risk. Would a Fascist cower in fear at the thought of mutually assured destruction in a world that has just begun to develop nuclear capability, where one could expect the human race to survive 10 or 20 little boys? Depending on your scenario, Hitler could get sunk by a limited nuclear war. In more remote alternate histories, states could be altogether trigger happy with the bomb, or attempt to rationalize misunderstandings of game theory, or have odd religious interpretations of the bomb. I hope the area is not underexplored.
>>18123776Good point. I totally forgot about nukes. The fascists would've easily uses them and hid some of their untermensch and leadership in bunkers so they could start a 'new world'. Maybe God protected us from this scenerio by removing major fascist regimes by WW2
>>18123735No, because ironically WW2 kept it from collapsing in the first place. Their entire economy was propped up by theft and loot, which basically required them to start the war when they did as they had run out of things that they could steal "peacefully" like Czechoslovakia or their own "undesirables". They were in a Catch-22 and had no real way to remain viable without stopping being nazis
>>18123783Can someone explain how taking over a country helps someones economy. It wasn't like Timur or Nadir shah where they just looted palaces and cities. Wouldn't it spread the resources further?
>>18123789>Invade country>Seize assets>distribute assets to your own government and industrialists]>leave conquered territory immigrated but you don't care because your ideology says they're losersIt's not that complicated. Like Czechia for instance had a lot of built up industry, that shit was all seized and dolled out to big German industrialists. Sure it hurt the Czech economy, but it kept the German economy running for that much longer. It's still looting, it just became more abstract than stealing the Monastery's gold candlesticks to melt down like the Vikings did (though the Nazi's still did in fact steal their victims gold and currency reserves too.).
>>18123793But didn't Czech become a part of the Reich? This stuff would be possible for short term but keeping a region desolate would only lead to mass migrations and economic disparity/unequality like third world countries have
>>18123798>This stuff would be possible for short term but keeping a region desolate would only lead to mass migrations and economic disparity/unequality like third world countries haveWell yeah. Hence why everyone who's researched it calls the Nazi economy "unsustainable". The whole thing was a charade built on impoverishing an ever growing underclass to sustain an ever shrinking privileged class. In OP's hypothetical "doesn't start WW2" scenario, the Nazi's would have had to keep declaring ever more groups of people "undesirable" or otherwise lesser in order to seize their wealth and use it to prop up those lucky enough to still be counted among the "right kind of people". There was no way to make it work over any real length of time. Their economy was already starting to crack even before they invaded Poland.
It couldn't even survive the first sign of economic trouble without invading someone.
>>18123780>>18123776>what third world academia does to a mf
>>18123783But they weren’t. Czechoslovakia was less than 1% of Germany’s GDP and by 1937 Germany was the strongest economy in Europe and was tied with the USSR for second place to America (America was nearly double German and the USSR combined).Nothing about the German economy was unstable given their productive capacity and their solvency.>>18123793>seize assets and distribute among your ownWhat does this mean?Like what specifically does this mean?German industry didn’t run on factory parts. It didn’t require a constant influx of foreign factory parts.It’s not age of empires, these industrialists weren’t taking gold as payment.>ideologyWhat ideology? What belief did the Nazis have that was incontestable?Germany first. That’s literally it. Everything else was negotiable. That’s not ideology.>czechia had built up industryUH NO LOOOLPrague had Nationalized Skoda, seized their assets in Austria, seized the Austrian gold reserves, and gutted the Austrian economy they were still insolvent two decades later. Austria built Skoda and Skoda built Bohemia, Skoda was bankrupted by the end of WWI but the Austrian attempts to rebuild it were ended by Czech civil officers physically moving Skoda’s offices from Wien to Prague after kicking the Austrians out of their equivalent of Fort Knox in the fortress valley of Bohemia formerly Austria-Hungary.Everything Germany did to Czechoslovakia, Czechs did to Austria.It’s far less economic and much more symbolic. Hitler was known for these things like forcing France to surrender in the very car Germany did two decades prior.
>>18123808>everyone who’s researched itWho? It’s only pop historians.Actual research analysts have found their economy was extremely robust, more resilient than America’s even if much smaller than America’s.>it was class warfareIt was not class warfare. Class warfare is a social construct, it’s not real in the way blood and soil is real.The Nazis didn’t declare the Czechs undesirable you ape.>their economy was starting to crackMore productive capacity than France or England, more solvent than France or England, lower debt to gdp ratio than France or England.Were France and England “about to crack” as well?
>>18123814their economy was the third strongest in the world before they even looked abroad.
The shitlibs here also don’t know this because they do no research on their own, but Czechoslovakia was taking gold out of Central Europe from the bank of Austria and bank of Hungary, two countries with zero capacity to resist, and funneling it to the Bank of England. That is just a really really shitty thing to do.It would be like if the confederacy broke away from America and began taking gold that belonged to New England and selling it to England or China in exchange for political and economic support.The more I look into this whole Czechoslovakia (and Poland) thing the more I realize this was England giving power to a Slavic mafia masquerading as a country solely to keep down their rivals in Central Europe.These countries shouldn’t exist. Poles can build a state, Czechs can build a state, but their states should not be mafia-style carve outs of other countries nor should they be run by gangsters running a protection racket.How many times do we hear on this board “Germany was criminal, Nazis were gangsters” Czechoslovakia was a criminal state quite literally stealing from the weak to give to the strong in exchange for political power, a nigger chief in West Africa, a British lapdog.
>>18123839I do admire England’s will to power. But it was really shitty thing to facilitate and was in a very direct way a major cause of WWII.Even if England genuinely wanted good and stable relations in Central Europe (they didn’t), how tf are they going to talk down Germany and the Rump states after enabling economic siphons lil Czechoslovakia to rob and impoverish them for 20 years?
Probably not.I doubt a movement like Nazism could both stay out of war and retain legitimacy with the public well enough to hold onto power indefinitely. And putting ideology aside, most dictatorships in the postwar world proved short-lived, and the regime below Hitler was a mess of internal feuding - so what happens when he dies?
>>18123834>>18123839>>18123842How seething must you be to write 3 whole paragraphs about this
>>18123735no they were meant to fuck up somehow
>>18123776And damned us for fate much worse, the death in nuclear fire would be merciful compared to what shit we have right now.Unless ofcoarse mass enshittification, turdwordification and slow economical collapse.
>>18123871Yet you have no response.
>>18123871>u madVery low iq.
>>18123849nonsense.
>>18123793>>18123808I remember hearing that when USSR defeated Germany with the allies. They dragged factories with their tanks from Germany to USSR, as reperations.I don't believe it.I just can't picture a tank dragging factories around.NTA
>>18123832you need to get laid>>18125351thet took machines, not a fucking whole house like it's some cartoon
