>The 12th century Scottish Declaration of Arbroath claims that the Scots originated in Scythia>The Irish had a similar legend about being descended from an ancient king of Scythia, Fénius Farsaid>The noblemen of the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth imagined themselves as being descended from the SarmatiansIs there any genetic basis or evidence for these claims or was it just trendy at the time?
>>18123953Medieval people had a strange fascination with claiming descent from random populations that were known in ancient history, even if all they were known for was being total back woods savages. It was just for the aura of mystique and ancient continuity.
>>18123953I wonder if there were peoples that did the opposite.>Fuck no, it's us, always been us, we just came from the other side of that hill and liked it here more
>>18123953Claiming descent from some other place distinguishes you from your neighbours. Jews did it to distinguish themselves from other caananites. Spartans did it too.
>>18123953Perhaps scythia at one point but before that i would wager somewhere down near anatolia like many other groups>The first bagpipe depiction isa Hittite slab from 1000 BCE, found in Anatolia,
>>18123953>>claims that the Scots originated in Scythia>>legend about being descended from an ancient king of Scythia, Fénius FarsaidThis is the result of Christianity and the spread of Graeco-Roman literature.They didn't know what Scythians were. Hardly anyone in all of Europe did. Scots and Irish only knew about "Scythians" through Graeco-Roman sources. "Scythian" was used as a vague catch-all term.But I will say something like Fénius Farsaid could symbolize some old story about an Indo-European guy or god along with a distant memory about migrating from the Pontic-Caspian steppe. They referred to a person from that place as a "Scythian" because that's the term from the foreign literature they read.
>>18123953It's all pseudo history and not real.
Well, I can definitely say that the Scythian Hercules(Targitatos) = Balor = Beli Maur, his wife Echidna, Danu, Astarte. Also known as Dis Patter BiléBalarama in IndiaNimrod
>>18123953no
>>18123990>Medieval people had a strange fascination with claiming descent from random populationsIt always amazes me how people who know nothing, have studied none, read little (and none of that from the primary sources) are so quick to move to the side of denial. I used to think it was just a popular thing to "debunk" without putting in effort- but I think it speaks to a virulent hatred of European history, because that's where it comes down hardest, if not solely.
>>18123953They come from Korea.
>>18124319>Scots and Irish only knew about "Scythians" through Graeco-Roman sources. "Scythian" was used as a vague catch-all term.So when Bede says the Picts recorded they were Scythians, how would the Picts have known about them if they were trapped, cultureless, had no writing, and were pinned on the north side of Britain? They were not fans of the Romans so they would not have gotten it from them, particularly since Roman influence doesn't crescendo until post-Claudius, and really post Severus' invasion in the early 3rd century. But go on, keep posting utter drivel.
>>18124786Genetically speak, the average northern Englishman and Lowland scot has a couple percent ancient Pontiac steppe DNA from Roman mercenaries so they were in fact part Scythian.
>>18124786through Christianity you dumb fuck. The Irish monasteries in western Scotland had readily available access to classical texts.Late Roman writers had a habit of calling all tribes that lived north of the Danube scythians, whether they be Goths, gepids, heruli, quadi, Huns, or even early Slavs.
>>18123953Yes
ScotiaScythiaIt's obviously true.Scythian is properly spoken with a hard k sound, and that is how its spelled in Greek: the c is not silent.
>>18124812>Late Roman writers had a habit of calling all tribes that lived north of the Danube scythians, whether they be Goths, gepids, heruli, quadi, Huns, or even early Slavs.this, and bear in mind that whatever the Picts actually said is being filtered yet still by Bede
