>Since Olivares controlled Philip’s correspondence, Spinola took the extraordinary step oft ravelling to Madrid in January 1628.He presented Olivares with a stark choice: compromise with the Dutch or send massive reinforcements. Olivares was prepared to discuss peace on the terms offered in 1621, but the most he would concede was trade with the East, not West Indies. He remained convinced Spain’s position was improving and haughtily rejected Spinola’s requests, scoffing that the Romans had conquered the world with 100,000 soldiers, whereas Spinola had nearly as many and could not defeat the Dutch.And Spaniards will seriously with a straight face tell you that they were a superpower.
Friendly reminder that spaniards got mass raped by a fucking fisherman from a backwater of englandTOTAL SPANISH DEATH
>>18124742>TOTAL SPANISH DE-ACK!!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WR8cc0iJNM4
>>18124728God is confirmed to be a Spaniard
The fact that they had to declare bankruptcy because some jumped-up pirate stole their silver tells you all you need to know about this meme "empire".
>>18124728>He remained convinced Spain’s position was improving and haughtily rejected Spinola’s requests, scoffing that the Romans had conquered the world with 100,000 soldiers, whereas Spinola had nearly as many and could not defeat the DutchIf this happened today Latinx wouldn't stop screeching about it on Twitter at least a month
>>18124728>spanish """empire""">can't even put some swamp krauts in their placeDvtchBvlls stay winning >>18124868>zoom-zoom had to post a youtube video because he's effectively illiterate Pottery
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>>18124728I actually wonder if the Dutch would have won without the French or the English helping them so much.Maybe they would have, but not in as good a position I bet.
>>18127668Honestly probably not. Considering the French Monarchy did everything in it's power to disallow Spain from taking over the continent (succesfully).Then they gained pre-eminence and it was their turn to be harried by some island full of annoying muppets.
>>18124742>>18125475I was raised Catholic and I love Catholic culture and history but I see shit like this and I think "okay yeah the Protestants really were WAY fucking better at war", like these tiny swampy backwaters in northern Europe absolutely MOGGED the massive Catholic powers in Europe constantly despite having vastly smaller populations. The fact that the English and Dutch btfo'd the Spanish in the 17th century is insane (especially the latter, genuinely amazing accomplishment).
Literally all of this can and should be blamed on the Habsburgs being retarded fucking morons who ran the spanish into the ground
>>18128948The Bourbons: Wanna see me do it again?
>>18127743>okay yeah the Protestants really were WAY fucking better at warIt's actually because they had God on their side.
>>18127743We will ignore the Fraench elephant in the room that ceaselessly intervened time and time again to prevent the protestants from getting trounced for reasons of real politik.
>>18125040I'm not a fan of christianity but I like conquistadors and crusadersHow do you mix the warrior ethos with christianity? I don't get it
>>18130254>How do you mix the warrior ethos with christianity?easily
>>18124728The dutch were constantly raped over and over and were only maintained afloat by financial backing from sephardic jews who resented Spain and because of French and English support.Spinola did manage to pacify the netherlands before France entered the conflict>scoffing that the Romans had conquered the world with 100,000 soldiersThe Romans famously struggled against the Batavians and with a technological and administrative gap which wasn't a thing in the 16th and 17th century. Olivares was a retard.>>18128948No it was Olivares the nigger who fumbled down everything.>>18124742He didn't rape anything, he just looted some small undefended town in latin america where most of the population wasn't even Spanish and then died of disentry after a failed raid on one such small town. The failure of the English Armada is also largely on him>>18127668They wouldn't have. Even then they only achieved a partial victory because half of their country remained under Spanish rule. Why do you think Belgium is a thing today?
>>18125933You seem to forget that 70-80% of the Spanish Tercios in the Netherlands were........krauts and italian mercenaries. Just 20-30% were Spaniards.You also seem to forget that most Spaniards had a continent to explore, manage and settle.Also that Spain had 20 wars at each moment anywhere in the world: many areas in America, Asia, Europe and even northAfrica (Argel).If Spain sent 100% elite Tercio Spaniards and went full throtle in the Netherlands the natives would had achieved nothing against them.
>>18130540>they totally could have won if they wanted to bro just trust me bro Pure cope
>See that swamp?>What if.....it wasn't there.
>>18130540>If it was different-You lost, paella monkey, just accept it
>>18130254You forbid warriors to read the bible and syncretize pagan war gods with saints. Look how both conquistadors and crusaders disappeared after the reformation and the council of Trent "fixed" these mistakes.
>The Dutch need 80 years to win their independence from Spain, despite being separated by the greatest military power of the time, and Spain still kept half of their country>At the same time, Portugal wins their independence in a third of the time, 28 years, while being right next to Spain and only losing a small border town in the endUhhh, Dutch bros... Care to explain?
>>18130867The Portuguese also only had some mid support from England to count on for help
>>18130867The Iberian Union was a joint effort from both Portugal and Spain, so Spain barely had any foothold in Portugal since the country was run independently, to the point where the king didn't even bother to visit. When they proclaimed a new king, it took decades for Madrid to do anything meaningful, and when they did they suffered a disastrous defeat and were basically forced to concede
>>18130867>need 80 years>needWRONGThe p*pist cucks in s*ain just refused to give up because the Dvtch were Protestant Bvlls and a threat to the continent as a whole. Same reason they tried to fuck with Englad in '88 and got blown the fuck out by God himself. Portugal was the most minor of threats imaginable and not worth it.
>>18130938Cope. The Portuguese overall performed better thna the dutch.>>18130959Alba, Farnese and Spinola all raped the dutch and if they were not bailed out by an external force they wouldn't have been independent.
>>18130540Kek, sure, which is why the tercio, and not the Maurician-Gustavian model is the basis for the next century of war.
>>18131173>raped the DvtchPure delusion. They never made any gains beyond what they already had. Amsterdam never fell into Spanish hands, and consequently only got wrecked BY THE SAME Corsican autist that forever raped Spain >if they were not bailed out by an external force they wouldn't have been independent.And yet they're still relevent as a country while s*ain is nothing but a tourist destination that hasn't been relevent since the end of the 19th century kek
>This terrifies and enrages the spic
>>18131323>not the Maurician-Gustavian modelThe Memeician-Goontavian model when it directly confronted the Tercio btw.>AmsterdamWhich was a town among many others you illiterate goonIt even resisted the Orangist influence after the warhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Amsterdam_(1650)>And yet they're still relevent as a country while s*ain is nothing but a tourist destination that hasn't been relevent since the end of the 19th century kekLiterally actual europeans associate the netherlands with whores and drugs. I live in northern france and whenever someone mention the netherlands it's literally to talk about whores or drugs 9 times out of 10, you don't know shit retarded latinx
>>18131354>can't even distinguish between two different posters because he's blinded by his seethingkek>I live in Northern FroglandAnd you unironically are simping for s*ain?? Can't make this up>paid, liberated working women and freedom to do whatever chemical substance you please like an adultAnd that's bad... why, exactly?Next you're going to try and tell me a bike-centric city life is LE BAD kek
It's not difficult you just have to look at the wikipedia pagehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_battles_of_the_Eighty_Years%27_Warin spite of the page english bias, it shows that Spain won more battles in the eighty years war than its enemies, furthermore the spanish victory were often anal destruction like picrel while the dutch victory are far less impressive and a lot of them came were due to the help of a foreign power
>>18131336>>18131336>This terrifies and enrages the indo-dutch till the point that you use their image to give fear to the dutch children.
>Buckbreaks spics on sea, like his counterpart, Condé does on land>Gives the cowardly spic commander free oakum and gunpowder
>>18131391>This buckbreaks the duke.
>>18131173>AlbaCouldn't take one city, begged the spic king to relieve or kill him>ParmaGot bamboozled by Maurice>SpinolaWaited until Maurice was dead, then got his measly gains reversed by Frederick Henry.
>>18131388>m-m-m-muh foreign powerPure cope. Your boy Phil had to pay off some Burgundian goon to do what he couldn't handle himself.
>>18131397>>18131399>>18131409>>18131450Some latinx is having a mental breakdown and is larping as a dutch to cope with the fact that his ancestors were raped. Sad!
>>18131608Wait, I thaught latinx are massive hispanophiles.
>>18131612many latinx are mentally raped and resentful
>>18131608>get btfo'd >uh... uh... LATINX I can hear you seething from here. t. Dvtch-Anglo
>>18125475 Heb je van de Zilveren Vloot wel gehoordDe Zilveren Vloot van Spanje?Die had er veel Spaanse matten aan boordEn appeltjes van Oranje!Piet Hein, Piet Hein, Piet Hein zijn naam is kleinZijn daden bennen groot, zijn daden bennen grootDie heeft gewonnen de Zilveren Vloot!Zei toen niet Piet Hein, met een aalwaerig woord:"Wel, jongetjes van OranjeKom, klim 'reis aan dit en dat Spaansche boordEn rol me de matten van Spanje!"Piet Hein, Piet Hein, Piet Hein zijn naam is kleinZijn daden bennen groot, zijn daden bennen grootDie heeft gewonnen de Zilveren Vloot!Klommen niet de jongens als ratten in 't wantEn vochten ze niet als leeuwen?Ze maakten de Spanjers duchtig te schand'Tot in Spanje klonk hun scheeuwenPiet Hein, Piet Hein, Piet Hein zijn naam is kleinZijn daden bennen groot, zijn daden bennen grootDie heeft gewonnen de Zilveren Vloot!Kwam er nu nog eenmaal zo'n Zilveren VlootZeg, zou jelui nog zo kloppen?Of zoudt gij u veilig en wel buiten schootMaar stil in je hangmat stoppen?"Wel, Neerlands bloedDat bloed heeft nog wel moed!Al bennen we niet groot, al bennen we niet grootWe zouën winnen, ja winnen de Zilveren Vloot!We zouën winnen de Zilveren Vloot!
>>18131667Reading this diarrhea makes me kinda feel relieved we were frenchifiedRobespierre, I owe you an apology...
>>18124728Can we dmit both sides fought very admirably and had brilliant commanders?Personally, my favourite commander is Spinola because he had not prior military experience (literally bought command, at first) and still outperformed.
>>18130672Why do I always get retarded answers in this place
>>18131621pretty good describes average spainjeet
>>18131955>>18131999First time here?
>>18131667>Vloot>Schoot>Groot>VlootDutch its not a serious language
>>18124742>he doesn't knowkike you need to read the rest of the story
>>18132788like reading the rest of the story of iberijeets being humiliated by swamp niggers
>>18132791>le counter armad-ACKI graciously accept your humble cohencession so long yid
>>18132984You got humiliated by swamp niggers, pedro
>>18132989>no argument>goalpost moving>kike thinks I'm Spanishnot even close hooknose try again
>>18132996you have to find a better way to cope with it, pedro - have you tried inventing an alt-his scenario where the spanish crown lets nafri mercenaries go ham on the local women like franco did with spanish women in the civil war?
>>18132998>argument not detected>peepee mutilated>foreskin swallowed by mohelyou lost the debate kikecelwhy embarrass yourself further?
>>18133002franco importing mercenaries to rape spanix women says what now
>>18133003>thread about Olivares>but muh Fascist leader oy veythey are not sending their best
>>18133004surely it can't be this difficult to disprove franco importing moroccans to rape based trad spanix women o algo
>>18133008surely you're in the wrong thread o kikeo
>>18133017moroccan rape o algo
>>18133019>kikebot broke downoy vey chaim
