This is what ancient roman buildings really looked like.
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>>18126344Huh?
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>>18126348Very Indo-European:) similar to our temples in Punjab, IE brothers UnitedFuck off all Semitic BS, our gods are represented as warriors and beautiful, unlike those who are dead in a stickHail shieva, hail thor, hail odin, hail indra
>>18126358Go away christcuck I'm tired of your jew worshipping cuck religion. EUROPA is pagan!
>>18126340Evidence, good sir?
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>>18126363>Roman temples and buildings were painted using a range of pigments derived from minerals, plants, and other natural sources, including reds from ochre and cinnabar, yellows from ochre, blues from Egyptian blue and azurite, greens from green earth or malachite, and blacks from carbon. White pigments like lime wash or lead white were also used, creating a colorful palette. Temples weren't just white, only retards think that.
It intrigues me how poopers (the OP is probably one until proven otherwise) have appropriated anything from the pre-Christian era as a kind of gay resistance. So you can't talk about the ancient world anymore without you, you damned vermin, bringing up Christianity in antagonistic terms like pink-haired bitches do with patriarchy? Sad.
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>>18126382Same here, after seeing the illiterate ESL above talking about Shieva or the spammer who is probably just one different version of that idiot Buddhist "Simon," I already saw that the thread is provocative. If you really want to discuss history, you're in the wrong place.
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>>18126361Bump>>18126382>>18126388You worship some random guy from middle east, matriarchal religion, at least Hinduism is more aryan than anything from the Levant boos cope and seethe
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>>18126361>Indo-EuropeanIndo-Europeans built kurgans. Mediterraneans built megaliths. Retard, you aren't even we wuzzing the right people.
>>18126361>our gods are represented as warriors and beautiful>monkey facewhy did you post some random temple in a slumthere is little similarity, it has none of the aesthetic geometry, Indians preferring a kind of kafkesque clusterfuck, and indians never produced exquisite realistic depictions of the human form and nature, only ever caricatures like most cultures except maybe egypt and song dynasty china, the swastika is based though
>>18126361I'm not Hindu, but actually, Hinduism is substantially more Aryan and Indo-European than this foreign Abrahamic nonsense. How strange. So odd that someone or other set up a religion for white Europeans in which the basic text calls Jews the chosen people, Jesus is the King of the Jews, and we should worship said king…like, here is a religion in which you subjugate yourselves to us. Weird.
>>18126352>>18126385Can you post/name the modern day remains of those?
>>18126419We need true Hindu fundamentalism where Jeets are ritually smashed and crushed by Aryan chads.
>>18126406>MediterraneansThey had their own versions of kurgans dumbass pic Etruscan
>>18126412>only ever caricatures like most cultures except maybe egypt and song dynasty chinaThe americas produced some pretty realistic human forms, though most of them were either heavily eroded or destroyedThis is one of many sculptures of the maya king Pakal
I see at least 4 Indians in this thread, the OP may or may not be one of them. How annoying! I'm out of here.
>>18126431And here is a piece of moche pottery from peru, the moche created a SHITLOAD of incredibly realistic pottery faces and a ton have survived to this day. Though they're for some reason more famous for all of their crudely made sexual pottery
>>18126425First one is the Basilica of Maxentius second one is the Frigidarium at the baths of Cracalla
>>18126435And now the mesophag/mesolarp has entered the picture haha open sewer, or in this case, digitized sewer.
>>18126406Tholos Tomb this is a kurgan whether you like it or not.
>>18126442Thanks, definitely visiting that next time im in Rome
>thread about Roman architecture>destroyed by idiots who suck up to Mesoamerican off-topic>Indians and larpagans sameflagingwhen /his/ died, I wonder. you guys are bizarre and pathetic, can't you focus on a subject without trolling and straying from the main topic or reate some idiotic debate? shitty clowns KYS
>>18126406The Mausoleum of Augustus was basically even a Kurgan a highly developed form it even still had the grass covered mound. The romans were very much an Indo-European society.
>>18126340>>18126343Somewhat similar to this, although most Roman architecture lacked artistic reliefs withs the exception of some more significant buildings, as most Roman architecture was utilitarian in nature. Roman Insula for example, which were Roman apartment buildings, pretty much look identical to a lot of modern brick apartment buildings
>>18126406Mausoleum of Hadrian(Castel Sant'Angelo) is also a kurgan.
>>18126430Find me one of these on the steppe, faggot
>>18126478>>18126483You guys don't get it. Indo-Europeans are a barbarian society on the fringe of actual civilization. Their kurgans were degeneration of what came before.
>>18126482Probably because insula was generally for the lower strata of roman society. They still looked nice though compared to modern shit.
>>18126484NTA but a Roman temple on the steppe would probably look like the Parthenon in Nashville, surrounded by open green hills, we were robbed of kino
What historical civilization has the biggest gap in what population imagination/culture depicts their aesthetics as vs what they actually had, and why is it the Aztec?
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>>18126484You got completely btfo don't even try it. Pic is the Royal Kurgan from Crimea now go cry in the corner pajeet.
>>18126484>Find me one of these on the steppe, faggotLiterally in Crimea Kingdom of the Bosporus picrel. Why do I need to spoon-feed retards who are too dumb to learn how to use google?
>>18126487>They still looked nice though compared to modern shit.eeh not really, but regardless, I'm sure they tried making the outside look somewhat nice because insulae were very barebones on the inside, you had one room, a bed, a chamber pot, and that's basically it. If you were hungry you'd go downstairs to the local thermopolium to grab some fried bugs and bread
>>18126482You can see a lot of Insula in this pic.
>>18126513I assume you mean the structures in the lower left mostly, because insulae wouldn't have had stoa, as these were reserved for public spaces and people who resided in insulae wouldn't have wanted transients sleeping just outside
>>18126510>eeh not really, but regardlessAre you sure? in ancient times they would have been colored and very impressive looking. Much better than brutalist or soulless contemporary internationalist shit that we get with apartment buildings nowadays.
>>18126519Yes also on the lower right
>>18126528Anon, you just posted a brutalist brick box with some faux archways
>>18126412See buddhism. Those pagodas and Buddha statues go hard. Creating a representation of a human in his most peaceful and satisfied state is something the Greeks and later Western civilizations failed to make, but the Indians and East Asians succeeded. I gotta give them credit for that.
>>18126533But a much more aesthetically pleasing one made in a vernacular style.
Mesoamerican BTFO'd eurozoos
>>18126497Tbh I don't think the market scene in Apocalypto was very inaccurate. The warriors in there look retarded but there is a lot of accurate stuff in that movie.Lower status Mayans definitely lived in mud huts similar or identical to the ones depicted in the movie.
>>18126550How in the fuck do those primitive stone age cities even come close to competing with this? >>18126394Meso pyramids were just dirt mounds covered in stone basically. This is such cope kek
>>18126552High status Mayans on the other hand lived in some really nice looking houses pic related.
>>18126506>pajeetKek, you mean a descendent of the barbarian Indo-European tradition.>your kurganpathetic>>18126509That's greek culture. Bosporus is adjacent to the Mediterranean, retard.How long until you guys figure out your understanding of history is backwards?
>>18126506This shit looks nothing like Castel Sant'Angelo, it's just circular, that's literally the only similarity
>>18126570>That's greek cultureNope it was a mixed Scythian/Greek culture dumbass. It's also in the steppe you drooling retard, you asked and I provided now go cry in the corner.
>>18126552Everything is covered in a layer of limestone dust like it's a volcanic wasteland, everything is dirty and poorly made/constructed, and in general it's sufferingporn rather then a depiction of a functioning urban center.As far as the village, it's less visually terrible but there's no farms and the people there have never heard of big cities, it's the anarcho-primitivist dsyfunctional eden to the urban-hedonist dysfunctional hellscape that is the big city. Both don't depict coherent Mesoamerican socities. The village pic is also meant to represent the broader sterotype of Mesoamericans being depicted as tribes in jungle villages in general.Pic is central mexico rather then maya, but the difference between this reconstruction of a small town/large village and apocalypto is palpable>>18126550>>18126558It doesn't need to be a contest. That being said the second anon is being stupid here, Mesoamericans smelted bronze and even then cities like Teotihuacan from before the region had metallurgy, was on par with some of the largest Roman cities in population and a decent amount of it's infrastructure, Tenochtitlan (>>18126502) was also nearly on par with the largest European cities of the time as of Spanish contact, etc.
>>18126581It looks a lot like it the Mausoleum of Hadrian not the modern version dumbass the original had a dirt mound on top of it covered in pencil pines and a lot of other kurgan features like grave goods and the cremated ashes of the emperor in an urn, a doorway. You are a divide and conquer subhuman a non-white trying to divide Europeans with propaganda. I already posted Etruscan and Mycenean kurgans you conveniently ignored now stick a knife in your throat scumbag.
>>18126590>Everything is covered in a layer of limestone dust like it's a volcanic wasteland, everything is dirty and poorly made/constructed, and in general it's sufferingporn rather then a depiction of a functioning urban center.I mean isn't this actually more realistic especially in times of draught and famine? This was a preindustrial society I think you would definitely see a lot of poverty and suffering.
>>18126581Mycenaean Greek kurgan kys divide and conquer rat
>>18126603Even for a state of collapse and decline what's in the movie is pretty extreme in some ways, especially for the degree of sadism and hedonism going on.
>>18126615>degree of sadismWell it is inaccurate in regard to the Mayans but not really the Aztecs, they were worse than how the Mesos are depicted in Apocalypto.
>>18126581It was a final evolution of the kurgan dumbass you can't expect it to look identical. The roman variants obviously had roman flavor to them.
>>18126583The steppe was and is barbarian land. Nothing you say will change this.The Jews also come from the steppe, btw.
>>18126581If you removed the structure on top of the mound of the Mausoleum of Augustus it would be very similar to a Scythian kurgan.Europeans all share a common origin don't let these jeets, jews and favela monkey's divide us.
>>18126340I think this is still not ornate and adorned enough. I think there would be more decorations, paint, and flowers.
>>18126624All Europeans were barbarians at one point paco, you are not a med and never will be mestizo.Pic are ancient latins(ancestors of romans) living like barbarians because they are Europeans and have a common origin with all other Indo-Europeans.
>>18126634Possibly yeah flowers make sense but there's only so much we can know, archaeology isn't perfect.
>And the wild Brazilian comes in to shit up the thread in its attempt to divide Europeans because of its inferiority complexIt's all so tiresome
>>18126637"Europe" is a modern invention. There were people in parts of what we call Europe today. It wasn't strictly the Mediterranean, but they spread mostly by coastline, so up to England and Ireland. Those were not "Indo-Europeans".
>>18126653Map of megalithic cultures in Europe.
>>18126620No, not at all, but it's hard for me to really respond to that without you specifying in what way you think they were more sadistic for me to then confirm or debunk.An easy example for me to cite though is the fact that, for example, captured enemy soldiers were integrated into the captor's family prior to being sacrificed, and in death were mourned as if they were natural family. There's obviously a degree of romanticism there that probably doesn't reflect reality entirely in many cases, but the excavations of the Great Skull Rack confirm that most victims who were brought into the city from other areas lived there for months or years before their sacrifice, and were in disproportionately good health and physical condition prior to their deaths, consistent with that familial integration or what we know about how deity impersonators were treated prior to their sacrifice
>>18126653>"Europe" is a modern invention.No it is not Europeans have very specific mixes that are unique to this region of the world kys favela monkey.>Those were not "Indo-Europeans".They contributed to the modern Europeans dna, they were Europeans just the same way. All Europeans descend from neolithic farmers just how they descend from the steppe.You are not a European you are a mestizo with an inferiority complex, you are seething with envy of white men because we are superior to you. You are not a med because to be a med you have to be a white European.
>>18126670Ripping the heart out of a fully conscious child and murdering thousands of people in the same manner is sadistic fuck off dude end of discussion because all you are going to do is whitewash and lie.I can appreciate the accomplishments of Amerindians but lying and trying to burry inconvenient aspects of their culture you don't like is not something I'll stand for.
>>18126565That's why i like Teotihuacan more than the mayan cities.Teotihuacan is an example of a city with an equalitarian wealth and maybe a communal government.It has been estimated it had a Gini coefficient of 0.12, making it the best city to live in mesoamerican history.
>>18126671Neolithic farmers didn't come from the steppe, your head canon is so pathetically delusional lol
>>18126694>Neolithic farmers didn't come from the steppeWhere did I say that? your reading comprehension is comparable to that of a 4 year old with learning difficulties kek.It's cute observing you turd worlders try to be smart.The neolithic farmers are one of the primary groups we Europeans stem from, they make up a big part of our genomes.
>>18126671>white menDoesn't exist. Learn genetics.
>>18126671>All Europeans descend from neolithic farmers just how they descend from the steppe.Those are two separate people, retard. Two bloodlines didn't combine and make one. Those two bloodlines exist in other parts of the world too, and thus the only real thing to do would be to treat them as separate entities.
>>18126685I'm pretty sure there were probably huts in Teotihuacan especially in the outskirts.
>>18126708But they exist when it's convenient like when you can blame them for everything wrong in your pathetic turd world life.And genetics does confirm their existence pic related kys politically correct academics just don't like using terms like white because its teh "problematic" even though these racial categories are used in forensic science.
>>18126671They are not ''unique to this region'' idiot, the neolithic farmers came from Anatolia and the Middle East
>>18126717>when you can blame them for everything wrong in your pathetic turd world life.I don't blame them for everything.>pic related Looks like a lot of variance, retard.>its teh "problematic" It's just wrong. You are not a color. All groups in that picture can have white skin.
>>18126710You either can't speak English or have the reading comprehension of a downer. I NEVER SAID THEY ARE THE SAME THING YOU DUMB BRAZILIAN RAT!
>>18126724As I said, they are separate things and thus cannot be conjoined by the phrase "white".
>>18126710>Those two bloodlines exist in other parts of the world tooNot in the same way they exist in Europe.>the neolithic farmers came from Anatolia and the Middle EastThey came from Anatolia not the middle east kys
>>18126397can you explain to me how the famous story of odin committing suicide to sacrifice himself to himself is not under a christian paradigm?
>>18126727The mix is what makes them white. The neolithic farmers were some of the earliest humans with pale skin and you leftists and troons(now I'm suspecting you are one of these) say they were not white and whiteness doesn't exist.Again whiteness only exists to you when it's convenient to blame all the world's problems on it. I don't think you are a Brazilian actually you are a leftist freak probably a troon.
>>18126727Ok so white privilege and racism don't exist then?
>>18126737it's a jew or a communist tranny, I'm suspecting that now. The race denialism gave it away.
>>18126737Ok, so who was white? The Neolithic farmers or the steppe people? Were neither white until they blended? Or were they white before? You can't fucking keep your story straight.>I don't think you are a Brazilian actually you are a leftist freak probably a troon.No, I just study history.>>18126738>privilegeI don't care.>racismEveryone has a right to be racist. It is a form of speech, assembly, and the other things that make humans inherently sovereign and thus merely accepting of a state, not dominated by one. Race is a state, just like your family is a state.
>>18126728Nope the neolithic farmers were also in the Middle East, they expanded to Anatolia from the Middle East in fact, it's so transparent how you wignat idiots have an arbitrary and nonsensical ''purity'' agenda and refuse to look at facts objectively
>>18126747The problem is that the Sahara used to be green, and all signs point to that being the location of the farmers prior to the so-called neolithic revolution in Mediterranean. It's literally when Plato said it would be, and he didn't have core samples proving that the Younger Dryas happened (twice, actually).
>>18126737No the neolithic farmers were not ''white'', you are so fucking delusional lol in a ''it's still real to me dammit'' pathetic crying baby wayhttps://www.cell.com/cell-genomics/fulltext/S2666-979X(23)00174-X>Our estimation of skin pigmentation for the Iceman based on over 100 regulatory SNPs related to that trait suggests that he displayed a rather dark skin, as also displayed by the actual mummy.32 While this was discussed as a result of the mummification process itself,33 our findings indicate a relatively dark skin complexion during his lifetime. Additional support for this assumption comes from a previous histological analysis of the Iceman's skin, where a small layer of brown melanin granules had been identified in the stratum basale of the epidermis
>>18126752https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/article/green-arabia-desert-lush-ancient-landscapeActually, a bit more complex than that. My guess though is that the Persian Gulf people (who become Mesopotamians and Syrians) were at least related to the Saharan Africans.Gobleki Tepe may be what all of those places have in common, or at least it represents the Atlanteans who came from the far west.
>>18126746>Ok, so who was white? The Neolithic farmers or the steppe people?Both>Were neither white until they blended? No dumbass the blend just created modern European white people.>Or were they white before?Some were arguably like the Scandinavian hunter-gatherers.>You can't fucking keep your story straight.No you just have poor reading comprehension.>No, I just study history.At university? well that explains the communist race denialism. Think for yourself don't just let your jewish professor do all your thinking for you.>Everyone has a right to be racist.But race doesn't exist to you so how can one be racist?
>>18126747Those weren't neolithic farmers. Neolithic farmers are a European phenomenon and they originated in Anatolia not the middle east.
>>18126765The genes for light skin came from them you absolute fucking buffoon this is well understood by geneticists kysIceman was not your typical neolithic farmer he probably had a lot of hunter-gatherer ancestors.
>>18126768You seem to have missed my comment on race here:>Everyone has a right to be racist. It is a form of speech, assembly, and the other things that make humans inherently sovereign and thus merely accepting of a state, not dominated by one. Race is a state, just like your family is a state.Your problem is that are a tool for the jewish professors that you claim to hate so much because you accept the frame of history that they've presented you. You may choose reactionary over "accepted narrative", but you've never actually thought for yourself on this and tried to build the whole model. You think that because you chose an unpopular opinion, you're smart.
>>18126590Mesobarbarimerican is not in the thread's description, mesofag
>Mesoamerica much more advanced than europe>europe and europeans is a modern invention>Christiancucks are lame as f
>>18126775>You think that because you chose an unpopular opinion, you're smart.I'm smart because I see through the political bullshit. I know western universities are infested with liberal/post-modern Marxist ideology and race denialism is a part of that. Forensic science proves you wrong and so does genetics >>18126717 there is a European genetic cluster that could be used to describe whiteness but it's politically inconvenient to the current liberal-Marxist order.
>>18126770holy cope ahahah, it's hilarious how delusional those wignats are
>>18126708According to.. who?
>>18126773Way to embarrass yourself with more delusional cope. It's literally the second sentence in the paper you agenda-driven delusional moron, he was a pure anatolian farmer>Contrary to previous studies, we found no detectable Steppe-related ancestry in the Iceman. Instead, he retained the highest Anatolian-farmer-related ancestry among contemporaneous European populations, indicating a rather isolated Alpine population with limited gene flow from hunter-gatherer-ancestry-related populations. Phenotypic analysis revealed that the Iceman likely had darker skin than present-day Europeans and carried risk alleles associated with male-pattern baldness, type 2 diabetes, and obesity-related metabolic syndrome. These results corroborate phenotypic observations of the preserved mummified body, such as high pigmentation of his skin and the absence of hair on his head.
>>18126770They just sprung up from the ground like mushrooms
>>18126784>wignatsYou are a communist troon or a Brazilian favela monkey kek
>>18126790They came from Anatolia and developed specific mutations for lighter skin.
>>18126788So are you denying the component of lighter skin in the neolithic farmers? you study history don't you? this is the literal consensus.
>>18126786To liberal commie academics that don't actually know anything about genetics and forensic science.The same types who will say white men are the root of all evil and then will turn around and say the white race doesn't exist make it make sense.
>>18126791Brazilians also worship the gods, like youStop brother wars
>>18126782Where are the well-developed cities in the steppes? Where are the astronomers, philosophers, scientists, engineers? Who built civilization?
>>18126679I don't and won't bury shit, I value intellectual honesty, and I'd be happy to talk about child sacrifices or the skull rack excavations.You're just misunderstanding me: I said the "sadism" in the movie is over the top even for the Aztec, not the scale of violence, which are two different things.The scale is simply the amount of violence and number of people killed (the Mexica probably sacrificed a few thousand people a year per the skull rack excavations, pic, so what we see in Apocalypto wouldn't be an everyday thing, but isn't totally unreasonable for special events), the sadism is the glee and zeal at intentionally causing suffering and pain in others.The Mexica did large scale sacrifices, but they were generally not sadistic, for the purposes of causing pain and fear for the fun of it. As I mentioned, victims were usually well cared for, and the amount of ritual steps and procedures involved in sacrifice ceremonies also required a degree of cooperation on the part of the victim (which is another thing Apocalypto fucks up by presenting the village as an ignorant eden unfamiliar with other towns or cities around them, everybody in Mesoamerica would have mutual sacrifice practices they collectively understood and preformed, at least to a degree), though we also know attempted escapes etc were also a thing. The exception is, ironically, child sacrifices to Tlaloc, where it was said the amount of tears you induced would bring that much more rain, so in those cases the sacrifice was intentionally drawn out and painful, though even then it's not like the priests would be cackling and getting their rocks off at torturing a kid the same way that in Apocalypto the entire city is basically treating the villagers getting murdered and hunted down like bloodsports and did shit like using the ballcourt as a human shooting range.The Mesoamericans even HAD bloodsports in ritual boxing and certain types of ballgames, Gibson coulda used those
>>18126824>>18126679Also I say the scale of violence in the film isn't nessacarily unrealistic for the Mexica of the Aztec capital, but honestly it is if we're talking about the overall violence, suffering, etc across the city and not just the # of sacrifices in the ceremony, but that just loops back to what I said in >>18126590>>18126685>>18126711The .12 GINI index score for Teotihuacan was revised to be like .20 or something (another example of my intellectual honesty for >>18126679). Still, the amount of the population that had large housing was exceptional even if the inequality between different classes of homes wasn't as low as previously thought: Most of the population was absolutely still living in palacesThere were some small, 1-3 room large homes typical of commoner residences in other Mesoamerican cities, but they're really, really the extreme minorty of structures, at least in terms of what % of the city's population lived in them. Refer to the maps in >>>/k/64464048 and >>>/k.64464071, you have to zoom all the fuck the way in to see the small homes and they're only 1-2 pixels big, in fact in one of the collages the more zoomed out view doesn't even render many of them as a single pixel and they're not visible at all.I should also state that it actually came to my attention that Tenochtitlan also seems to have somewhat larger compounds for most of it's populations, not just 1-2 room structures, contrary to what I previously thought? Not nearly as big as Teotihuacano ones, but like 4-6 rooms that extended families or many small families shared at times, apparently, unless I am still misunderstanding some papers and figures like pic related (and I might be, for this pic, but i'm pretty sure I remember some of smith's papers establishing this and a structure like in https://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S0264275112001382-gr9.gif is obviously a larger compound). I wonder if it's a somewhat common Central Mexican thing in general?
>>18126340How do we know this? Isn't the paint all gone?
>>18126877there are minute traces of it left
>>18126824>required a degree of cooperationHoly Stockholm syndrome.
>>18126801>Where are the well-developed cities in the steppes? Where are the astronomers, philosophers, scientists, engineers? Who built civilization?Kiev was actually a pretty advanced city in the Middle Ages. You can blame Asiatics for ruining any potential the steppe had for civilization.>astronomersNikolai Kardashev>philosophersFyodor Dostoevsky>scientistsDmitri Mendeleev>engineersSergei Korolev>Who built civilization?Actual steppe people lmao Cucuteni–Trypillia culture but I wouldn't expect an ignorant moron like you to even know what that is.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkVtlvC3tPE&t=738s
>>18126810This post >>18126934 was meant for you.
>>18126934Retard, those are modern people. You're too stuck on the literal genetic connection to see the broader culture for what it is. You need to let go of some things.>Cucuteni–Trypillia cultureKek, that's only like 5000 years after Gobleki Tepe. See here:>>18126766>>18126752
>>18126801I have no problem with you if you aren't anti-white I just suspect most of these anti-nord posters as being latinos rather than actual meds. True meds are proud of their whiteness they never call themselves brown that's the projections of non-whites with inferiority complexes.
>>18126944>Retard, those are modern people.They are literal steppe people you asked and I delivered I'll post an ancient steppe civilization if you want me to? you're so dumb and ignorant you don't even know what it is a complete embarrassment to the academic community if you actually do study history.>Gobleki TepeNot a civilization
>>18126679He BTFO'd you saarYou lost
>>18126944This was a civilization whether you like it or not, it was a large structure with urban planning.You've never even heard of Arkaim and you think you know about history.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkaimhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sintashta_culture
>>18126981Don't even get me started on the urban Scythian communities. No not Greco-Scythians!
>>18126981>>18126986>arkaimLmao already debunked Wasn't a "city", you larpagan.
>>18126959I know.. sorry, mesoGoDYou can take my wife
>>18126992It had organized urban planning with terraced houses dumbass and a population of 2,500 people which qualified as a city in the bronze age. Arkaim was vastly more advanced than anything in Italy in the bronze age.
>>18126992Who said they were nordic Brazilian/communist troon? you've so obsessed with hating white people aren't you?
>>18126981>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkaim2000 BC. How old is Sumer, Crete, Athens, Nile Delta Egypt?
>>18127008You're shiftiung the goalposts. You asked and I delievered.>Where are the astronomers, philosophers, scientists, engineers? Who built civilization?Delivered >>18126934>well-developed cities in the steppes?Delivered Kiev and Arkaim and Talianki>2000 BC. How old is Sumer, Crete, Athens, Nile Delta Egypt?>How old is SumerNot as old as Talianki.>AthensHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Arkaim and Talinanki are thousands of years older than Athens.
>>18127008Kek you've been btfo now go cry in the corner commie troon
>>18126996>had organized urban planningNo? >2,5001000Yes, you autistic Silesians, 2500 BC, Arkain is from 1600 BC and is just a collection of shoddy wooden houses, exaggerated by Russian nationalists and other Silesians like you.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkaimhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonur_Tepe
>>18127015>>18127024Correct, i was wrong
Why did something so glorious fall?
>>18127030Good boy
>>18127015>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Arkaim and Talinanki are thousands of years older than Athens.Athens was destroyed by the "Dorian invasion" (bronze age collapse). Original Athens was founded 8000 years before Solon or whichever Egyptian priest is quoted by Plato.
>>18127024>he considers this horse and the wagon are "one and a half century prior" to similar burials of Sintashta cultureCuckintashta BTFO'D
>>18127041Oh nooooo we wuz horse riderz N shiet
>>18127024>No?Na ah >and is just a collection of shoddy wooden housesTerraced houses is organized urban planning KYS!
>>18127046Not a real city
>>18127040>Original Athens was founded 8000 years before Solon or whichever Egyptian priest is quoted by Plato.HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA what kind of wakanda bs is this? if you're talking about the pre-Hellenistic neolithic and Mycenean settlements in the area that was NOT Athens and had nothing to do with it. Athens was founded in about the 9th century BC in the greek dark ages.
>>18127051By early bronze age standards it was 100% a city that had complex urban planning. Italy for instance was a complete backwater at the time, nothing was going on there.
>>18126915I mean, maybe, but it's probably more what I said in the following line: Sacrifice was pan-mesoamerican so everybody had at least a rough idea of what being a sacrifice entailed and what was expected of them, and most people accepted their fate since it granted a good afterlife and was considered honorable, and the alternative was being forced into it anyways, potentially
Mesofag and his delusions
>>18126361Not even lying, I've often thought that if Roman "Paganism" still existed, it would probably mostly look something like Hinduism.If you look at white hare krishna's they look and act WAY more what you would associate with ancient Roman/Hellenic religion.
>>18126721He said specific mixes. And he's right. Europe is defined by Anatolian Neolithic Ancestry (not unique to Europe), Aryan/Steppe (not unique to Europe), and WHG (unique to Europe). >You are not a color.You're so stupid it's unbelievable. Germans and Swedes don't have "white" skin either. No one does. It's more like some variant of "pinkish". You can't seem to understand that words sometimes aren't literal.
>>181270762nd one meant for>>18126723
>>18127075
>rubbing shit on your body and having sex with animals is Aryan.
>>18126723>All groups in that picture can have white skin.They can but I'll trust a Greek any day over some Syrian when it comes to whether he will slice me with a machete or rape my 10 year old daughters. Whiteness is also about culture and Europeans are just more civilized regardless of where you go in Europe.
>>18127054>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA what kind of wakanda bs is this?It's literally what the most famous philosopher of all time said.
>>18127073That do you think is delusional that I've posted?
>>18127145>It's literally what the most famous philosopher of all time said.So heresay and myth? there's not even much cultural continuity between the Mycenaean and Hellenistic(different writing system) period I don't think Plato would have a clue. Athens as we know it is only about 3000 years old.
>>18126824That's still fucked up.
>>18127221Of course, but I didn't say it wasn't, I just said not even the Mexica were as sadistic as what Apocalypto shows for the Maya city
>>18127219You know how Plato's knowledge doesn't even come from Hellenistic culture? The Greeks were seeded by Phoenicians (particularly Pythagoras) and Egyptians (such as Solon). Those other peoples would be more closely related to the pre-collapse Greece, and no I'm not talking about Mycenaean.
Very neat
>>18127223They were
>>18127223They were worse because that movie didn't show literal children having their hearts ripped out. Why are you lying?
A reconstruction of Pompeiis Arena. It is as far we know the oldest stone amphitheater still in existence. It is a much more primitive than later Roman stadiums.
>>18127538I never denied children had their hearts ripped out, again, refer to what I said in >>18126824 regarding the difference between sadism and scale or intensity of violence
>>18126535What the fuck are you talking about? The Ghandharan Alexandrian Greeks were the first ones to depict buddha in art
>>18126444>>18126451>rambling about mesoamerican posts derailing the thread BEFORE discussion of mesoamerica beginsIs this some kind of bizarre false flag? What is the purpose of this?
>>18129274as a huge fan of ancient mesoamerica I just automatically assume any thread thats just "mesoamerica was better than europe!" is just a bad faith troll thread to shit on it
vghh... the shit fvmes of ancient rvme
>>18126509this is greek not scythian snow ni**er like you.
>>18126506Yes, the Royal Kurgan in Crimea was built by ancient Greeks. It is a 4th-century BCE burial mound located in what was the ancient Greek city of Panticapaeum, founded by settlers from the Greek city of Miletus. The Greeks who lived there at the time built the unique entrance hall with its vaulted limestone corridor.
>>18126361Based love you guys, through first time I walked into a Hindu temple is the last day I considered myself Catholic.Im planning on taking mt daughter some time to the temple near us to leave offerings.-Hellenist
>>18126340>no colorsWhy lie?
>>18127075I often wonder how "oriental" the roman empire would seem to modern western eyes. I've always been fascinated by periods of Occidental and Oriental overlap like Bactria, the Seleucids and the ERE. I think we've really had a disservice done to the west by Victorian standards taking hold and working their way backwards into our history.
>>18130050Ancient rome would literally seem like modern Indian, a huge slum filled with streetshitting browns practicing a retarded pagan religion with tacky colorful temples and ocassionally killing each other with machetes
>>18130096Nah even though Rome was kind of a shit hole it was nothing compared to modern India.
>>18129632What are you on about? It's extremely colourful
Why does the mesoamerica faggot always derail the threads?
>>18130233But I didn't? Even after I posted >>18126497 etc, like 90% of the thread is still about Eurasian stuff
>>18126361Fuck off
Fixing this thread after the spergs derailed it
>>18130179>both brown>both filled with shit and shit odor>both practiced retarded religious rituals>both had tacky jeet tier temples with ugly ass colors>both backwards and retarded>both extremely polluted shitholesthose roman subhumans ingested so much lead that they literally became retarded
>>18130919also did you know romans were literally scared of toilets? LOL jeet tier civilization
>>18130919>>18130921Please stop. This is an architectural thread. Start a new thread if that’s what you wanna talk about
>>18126340It actually has a lot in common with the great pyramids, when you think about it. Imagine the construction cost for something that has almost zero economic utility. Modern man can't comprehend.
>>18126340Will we ever get artists painting copies of classical statues again?Im tired of this white washed marble shitIm tired of them exclusively painting statues like a grade school child did it to show remnants of paint..I wanna see some polytheists paint up a statue like its being done in the largest and most advanced empire with unlimited resources Pic related some paint from Pompeii
>>18131356Aztec rather then European classical antiquity, but there's these full scale replicas of a small temple and bathhouse in Xochimilco in Mexico CityThe base/foundation should really be painted too, though, and with more colors then just the white and black/dark blue
>>18131473See this is exactly what im talking about Im tired of just showing what colors night have been used. I want some painted statues that look like they were done by an artist not a grade school
>>18131686The reason these recreations are so fuck ugly is that these retards can only pick up the lowest, base layer of paint, and assume thats the whole thing. Anyone who has painted sculptures can tell you you do it in layers, with the top layers having the most detail(and being quickest to degrade).>>18131473Dude stop derailing the thread you're giving us mesoautists a bad name, we have to put up with enough bullshit here already
>>18131912Yeah thats what I'm saying why are we still exclusively doing that shit instead of say letting an actual artist go to town on one with modern materials or what would have been available at the time in terms of pigments. I've got a Dionysus bust I'm going to paint for a shrine as soon as my friend finishes printing it for me. Depending on how that goes I'll either do more or toss one to one of my artist friends to have a go at
>>18131912By the time I started posting Mesoamerican stuff, other people had already posted painted Hindu temples, and someone already posted Mesoamerican and Andean realistic sculptures. It was already "derailed", and I'd argue it was never really a thread just about the Roman's painted art so much as historical art and architecture that was originally painted anywaysAnyways if you find it that disruptive, >>18131686 will have to tell me if they want more examples of revivalist or replica Mesoamerican stuff that has paint: I was going to post some replicas of Teotihuacano murals (and a pyramid facade) in the Museo Nacional de Antropologia and in some in on-site museums at TeotihuacanThe finish isn't as smooth as it would have been, it's still a little overly matte and not as glossy (and lacks the metallic flakes some mesoamerrican paints had mixed in), but it's not nearly as bad as your poor roman example there, or the painted replicas of aztec stuff the Museo del Templo Mayor has
>>18126363He’s not wrong. The Romans loved bright colors. If you want to get an idea for their preferences, you can find mosaics with their color intact because unlike paint, colored plaster, and the, the ceramic lasts.
>>18126340 seeing these pictures my kraut blood makes me want to burn and pillage.
