Were the Semites too strong for them?
>>18126668They did, at least the westernmost parts, see the Mittani and possibly the Kassites. If they weren't entirely IE, at least they had a significant IE subtract. But in general, sometimes I find it strange, they would prefer to live on the periphery of western China or in cold mountains, but in the East. But there are also the Mycenaeans, who migrated to the Levant and mixed with Semites and gave rise to the Philistines.
>>18126668Greco-Roman civilisation held the Near East for roughly a millennium.The French and the British also conquered the Near East in the early 20th century.
>>18126675>but in the East*but not in middle east
>>18126677>>18126675And now that you've brought it up, something I remembered here.. would you consider the Zagros Mountains "eastern"? We have one Bronze Age sample with up to 60% steppe in this region.
>>18126668>semites >strongBut did they render unto Caesar?
>>18126687Assyrian btfo any steppe nomad
>>18126687>Larpagan moment
>>18126689>esl moment>raped by fucking Medes>raped so hard they were literally forgotten until accidentally discovered Wanna run that by me again saar?
>>18126668The same goes for North Africa, so close but so ignored by them. I would say it's because of the terrain, so we have IE in desert and tropical areas, so I don't know.
>>18126693>larp-ACK
>>18126696>>18126701The only Indian people are those obsessed with Christianity, just like you. And stop ruining the topic, midnight creature.>>18126675Things get difficult without Mittani samples, but the evidence points to at least an elite IE.
>>18126704>The only Indian people are those obsessed with Christianity, just like you. And stop ruining the topic, midnight creature.Christianity didn't even exist until the Council of Nikaea though?
>>18126704You're a dumb esl who wrote a dumb commentI simply put you in your place with facts go cry elsewhere if you're too fragile to accept defeat
>>18126704I am aware of where they also practiced inhumation, so I don't believe we are dealing with a case of practical impossibility. But there are some samples of isreal_MLBA that some, including Davidski, say are possibly Mittanis; some of these samples even score 38%. I'm not on my PC, I can't create models for you, and I don't have any ready-made ones on hand, but the IDs are I10100 from 1686-1534 calBCE>>18126715Can you shut your mouth? You're disrupting interesting discussions. I know there are users eager to hear about karma or dharma, but this isn't the place for it right now. Respect the thread.
>>18126726You are the one who made this about "larpagans", nothing about that other user's post indicated a pagan-Christian shitfest. You started that. And it's anachronistic too because Christianity didn't exist yet at the time of the sack of the temple.
>>18126715>>18126725I'm tired of you, at least I have the right to drinking water and a bathroom whenever I want, lol>>18126726Why exactly do we know that these samples are Mittani? Couldn't they be just any old thing? Maybe even Kassitas or something like that.
>>18126731I don't intend to read your post, it's over, I repeat: we're talking about the OP's topic, the rest doesn't matter here. Thank you so much
>>18126732>>18126735
>>18126732>argument not detectedcry harder little bitch
>>18126732>Why exactly do we know that these samples are Mittani?One of the Bronze Age women from Alalakh (ALA019) appears to have ancestry from Turan and the Eurasian steppe. Perhaps she may have been a Mitanni of Indo-Aryan origin. Or (Kassite?) The Megiddo samples include a trio of atypical individuals (hence they are _o) dated to 1600-1500 BC, with not insignificant ancestry from the steppes. One of these individuals, an I2189, belongs to haplogroup Y R, probably R1a, which may also indicate Indo-Aryan origin. But without new samples or any information beyond _o, anything can happen.
>>18126732>>18126742Damn, I just saw the models on the G25 and they are... but there are more steppes than I thought, one of them is even a Touro R1a. I can't imagine what other Migration IE it could be besides Mittanis, and it seems they were from the same family, there are two siblings here, Kino.
>>18126748>I can't imagine what other Migration IE it could be besides MittanisActually, there's something more interesting. Another man from Megiddo (S10768) has R1b-M269 and shows a small percentage of steppe ancestry. What could this imply? I don't know. But there it is.
>>18126742>>18126748There are many who possess steppe ancestry, but no one is willing to study the implications properly We have a group in Spain with 40% steppe, but people simply judge these samples as being steppe, and that's how it is, like the Indians above.
>>18126668What’s that green bit in Afghanistan? Did Russian deserters make that much of an impact?
>>18126668Greater Germania, VGH
>>18126840Nuristani
>semites>too strong for aryansthat land was too hot for aryanshttps://streamable.com/2c1xvo
>>18126668Indo-Europeans DID conquer the Middle East. Look at the Hitties, Scythians, Sea-Peoples (now proven to have been Italics and Hellenics), and the Medes/Persians. What you probably meant to ask is:>why didn’t their language replace that of the conquered?This is due to many different reasons, but the simple fact is that replacing the language of an advanced, pre-existing stratified high-population-density society has always been a crapshoot. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn’t. Some densely urbanized & settled regions like Anatolia seemed to have been more prone to language shift. Anatolia has gone through periods where they have shifted through speaking at least 4 different language groups. Greek, IE-Anatolian, pre-IE, and Turkish.Elam, a highly developed region on par with Mesopotamia or Egypt, adopted Persian. For a small time period, Latin was the predominant language spoken in Tunisia.
>>18128310Agreed. Many different indo european groups migrated into the middle east. They language did survive for a long time. It still survives in iran. Some say kurdish is indo european but I'm not sure about that. Also, genetically many turks and kurds and iranians have steppe dna. There might seem some along the coast of Israel just bc the crusaders went there. And might be some in Lebanon bc of the French.
>>18126668Why did Indo-European succeed so much in the World? It feels like a feat not seen any where before.
>>18128519>kurdish is indo europeanIt is Indo-European in the same way Zimbabwean English is Indo-European.>>18128975The runner-ups, the Sino-Tibetian, Niger-Congo language families did not do badly at all in the days prior to the invention of the steam engine, and I would say the Sino-Tibetian language family has been extremely successful in taking near-absolute hold of one corner of the world, East Asia.
>>181289751. They invented chariots. 2. They domesticated horses and had horses to use for migration and battle before anyone else. 3. They were one of the first to use bronze weapons and arnour. 4. They were a extremely violent tribal paternal society structure that allowed them to dominate others. 5. Cool religion probably enticed locals to join them.
