I am an athiest converting to Christianity. How do I choose between Catholic/Orthodox/one of the Protestant denominations? I want the truth
>>18131088Study the bible like a faithful Berean!
Watch truth unites on YouTube.
>>18131088you join whichever is popular in your area, the only benefit of joining an organized religion is access to the community
>>18131088Talk to the local priests from each denomination in your area, and join the church of the one who convinces you the most. Don't listen to retards on the internet who tell you to join this or that because of X or Y. You should only join a faith if you actually believe in it.
>>18131088>I am going to choose to worship a jewish man and the god of israely
>>18131088White identity Christian trinitarian.
>>18131177>duuuude you can be pro White and a christian!hah, read your Bible sometime.
>>18131188Nothing in the Bible contradicts the Truth, I hope you too one day choose to see "the light".
>>1813108>I want the truthThen stop looking at Christianity.
>>18131195 * >>18131088
>>18131088The original one, Catholicism
>>18131088You can perform an analysis answering the following questions:>Which denomination is the least different from Early Christianity?>Which denomination produces actual saints/mystics/witnesses of Christ today?>Which denomination behaves in a way in which I can see Jesus Christ and his Apostles behaving?>Which denomination is actually accessible to me geographically and socially?Besides the last one, I think the answer will be either Catholic or Orthodox, depending on how you weigh the different questions and how Westernized/philosophized your understanding of Christianity is already. But the analysis can go awry with each of those questions. I've seen first-hand a convert focus on denomination similariy to Early Christianity and then, because his only goal was to maximize the old-school-ness at every cost, he would complain over and over that women in Greece don't cover their hair enough and that the Church needs to change... A crutch can prevent you from healing and a microscope prevents you from seeing most things. In the end, God's choice is the best. If at all possible, visit a couple churches and let Him choose. You will know when he does.
You may as well be huffing paint.
>>18131088>I am an athiestNo, you aren't.>I want the truthAnd you chose an obv false religion, cool
>>18131088>I want the truthMagickia le arte is real
>>18131091>assumes which canon to read, which also assumes which denomination is correct, the very thing OP is trying to determine
>>18131194Do non Whites go to heaven yes or no>>18131256There's at least 45k versions of Christianity so OP is gonna be busy
>>18131268>There's at least 45k versions of Christianity so OP is gonna be busyNot necessarily, no. There are thousands of theories about how written text is understood, I don't imagine you consulted them all before hitting Post.
>>18131280>Not necessarily, no>There are thousands of Christian denominations, with a recent estimate suggesting over 45,000 worldwide. These can be broadly categorized into three main branches: Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, and Protestantism, though sometimes Anglicanism is listed as a fourth branch.
Check yourself for tumours or mental illness, you might have some sort of brain damage for worshipping ancient flying jews who claimed to spoke in the name of dog.
>>18131268>Do non Whites go to heaven yes or noDepends on where you think heaven is, Lots of non whites are flooding into the Christian kingdom every day. I'm not convinced your after death fantasies have any relevance to the issue either way.
>>18131287>claimed to spoke >in the name of dog.
>>18131284Yes, that's in the post I was replying to.
>>18131088HolyKoolaidehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVZKVBRHwUg
>>18131088When you become a christian, just go to a church for a year or two and don't switch. Do this so you don't become billy bob who jump around denominations.
>>18131088Orthodox or Catholic.They are the same Church, only differing in their interpretation of Peter's role.Protestants have no sacraments or apostolic succession. It is just a Bible club at best, not a church
>>18131372The pope is the antichrist and icons are idolatry.
>>18131088Do you want to go to church but not really believe in God and lowkey worship Satan? Then try a Protestant churchDo you want to go to church, and believe in God and like decentralization and have cool icons? Check out Greek Orthodox Do you want to go to church and believe in God and believe that St. Peter's church is sanctioned by Jesus and want to make sure you are a part of the one true church and true faith? Then check out Catholicism.
Jew here. Read the scriptures themselves and make your decision based on which denomination aligns with the word.If they do not adhere to the scripture (from old to new) you have found replacement theology. I don't personally support turning Jesus into God but that wasn't the doing of Christians before Constantine.
>>18131088Convert to Islam, judeochristianity is a necrophile shabbos goy cult
>>18131375Then be an Orthodox
>>18131413Go fuck a Zutt
>>18131088Go to a church in your area. If you dont like it, try another one. Practicing the faith is the most important thing starting out. Also, don't go here any more and don't consume apologetics slop online.
>>18131372>Orthodoxy as a valid optionFucking kek.
>>18131424Go suck twink dicks like your nailed kike god did
>>18131434>indirectly insulting Isa(PBUH)
>>18131372>protestant Baptisms invalidOrthodox retard detected>>18131408Only reason to become Orthodox is because you actively want to be wrong.>>18131422Or you know, they could be something non-retarded?
>>18131434lol copeYour prophet crossdress and gets banged, unironically
>>18131442>protestant BaptismsIf it has no Apostolic succession, then it is invalid.Jesus gave the authority to the apostles only. And the apostles gave it to their successors and no one else.
>>18131448That literally isn't how it works in the RCC Orthotard.
>denomination fights>retards fighting over which retard is the least retarded
>>18131455What is a woman
>>18131455Orthodox are more retarded than even Muslims. They are comparable to Hindus.
>>18131088Nice Hitler dubs bro.Find a Catholic church (or even better a cathedral) and go through RCIA/OCIA/whatever they're calling it these days. It's generally a requirement to becoming Catholic as an adult and it usually takes about a year. Format'll probably be a weekly lecture series or something along those lines and you'll eventually have to meet with a priest or deacon. It's basically history and theology 101.I'm fond of the Orthos, but realistically it's hard to find a Church that isn't sorta ethnocentric. If you're Russian or Greek or Syrian or whatever, this won't necessarily be a problem. But Orthodoxy is structurally kind of wonky in general compared to Roman Cath. I prefer their theology in a very general way, but their dismissal of anything Roman Cath after the schism is a bad look. It's by no means everybody, but there's a certain set that sees prelest everywhere something cool happens (e.g. St Francis).I like Martin Luther a lot, but he'd shit a brick if he saw the Lutheran "church" today. No classical prot denominations have fared any better, either. Frankly, the best argument for Catholicism might be the state of Protestantism. Low church might be "based" sometimes, but it's also aggressively retarded.In any case, best of luck. I converted 3 or 4 years ago. Still a degenerate, still full of doubts, but whatever. I don't regret getting baptized and confirmed.
>>18131408>but not really believe in God and lowkey worship Satan?This is no overstatement. The effect of sola scriptura is that only the individual believer is infallible, since only individuals can speak on behalf of the allegedd infallible text. The text does not speak, it's literally words on a page. This principle ensures that many Protestants will never come to the truth, because they have exalted their own understanding above that of even God, which Satan also did. Run, don't walk away from.Protestantism.
>>18131493>I'm fond of the OrthosThis poster should be ignored.
>>18131088You are not an atheist, you are a babbybrain.
>>18131088Read this.
>>18131088Protestant. Christ said His kingdom is "not of this world" and they're the only ones who didn't do crap like the crusades.Also prots don't ban the Bible.
>>18131088I'll stick with White faiths thanks
>>18131088Pentecostal.
>>18131787>crusades>crapYeah, you are just like Luther - praising the muslims
>>18131851Uh Based Luther.
>>18131932Were is kissing paintings in the bible?
>>18131851Luther was a Rosicrucian Roman compromiser who President John Adams accused in his diary of secretly working for the unbelieving Pope and was not a true Anglo or French Protestant. Just Germany being Germany.
>>18131088If you ask the Lord with a sincere heart to reveal himself to you, you'll find non-dispensational King James Only fundamentalist Baptist Christianity. Most people don't really want the truth, though.
>>18131932>Henry the VIII severs ties with Rome The power of Anne Boleyn's 6th finger in your butthole
>>18131088Listen to them all, and go with whatever is the most convincing. Just keep proving what's true with evidence from the bible, don't trust people that half believe the bible, it's a for sure sign they're wrong.Take this as a promise:>Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:”
>>18131088The very fact that you already have to ask this is proof that Christianity is a failed system of worship.
>>18131942>>18131932More absurd than the Baptists kek. Don't forget they are also kissing each other on the lips too.
>>18131088
>>18131088>I want the truthhahahahhHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAH
PresbyterianismI refuse to elaborate.
>>18131088King James Bible and the Holy Spirit is all you need. Denominations only exist because people refuse to believe and accept what the bible clearly teaches.
>>18132646You need the BCP 1662.
>>18131088If you want the truth, learn about the origins of the faith. check your area for an orthodox church
>>18132657I got AIDS from reading this post.
>>18131448stfu donatist
>>18131452What makes you think RCC is correct lol
>>18132664RCC Priests at least kiss men in private. Unlike Orthodox ones.
>>18132662you had AIDS before fag
>>18132668Kissing men is all you think about, these are the gay thoughts the RCC causes you to have.
>>18132663Protestantism IS Donatism
>>18131088Orthodoxy is the One Catholic and Apostolic Church, unchanged for 2000 years, still standing with its structure, worship, liturgy and sacraments.
>>18132857No such thing in the bible.
>>18131088nobody ever converts to abstract christianity and chooses a sect later. weak-minded people like that go directly to a specific sect.
>>18133029How did the Apostles preach Christianity and minister without the Bible?
>>18133431Through direct guidance of the Holy Ghost:"As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them. " (Acts 13:2)
>>18131497Thanks man. Not OP but im seriously considering going to the Catholic Church instead
>>18131375>icons are idolatry.how does that work? idolatry is when you worship an icon because you literally believe God is in the icon/is the iconi dont think any chriastians think god literally is in/is icons
>>18131088That's the million dollar question. If there was a foolproof way to do it none of the other denominations would exist. I certainly have my opinions on which is right, but so does everybody else here. I've changed denominations a few times as I've grown to understand the Bible better. I've been wrong before and there's no guarantee that I'm certainly right now. What I would suggest to you is this:>Start with the knowledge that the Bible is the inerrant Word of God. When you look for a church look at how they teach the Bible. If they say it's anything but the inerrant Word of God or you see they blatantly ignore the parts they don't like or try to work around them, that's a false church and you should avoid it.>Start with the New Testament, come back to the Old when you're finished. You should absolutely read the Old, but many Christians have faithfully lived and died having never had the chance to see it. From a more human perspective, most people have a lot easier time reading it that way because the OT can be a bit of a slog at times.I can't promise that'll absolutely get you to the Truth, but it'll keep you away from some of the bigger traps that get a lot of people.
>>18133468Can I be saved without icons?
icons in ancient synagogue
>>18131088God bless you for seeking the truth with sincerity.This poster's comment>>18131098 was overlooked by this thread, but it will prove most fruitful. You can do endless research remotely on each denomination and how they claim authority, but the best thing to do will be to ask questions directly to the clergy of your community. You will learn best and be surprised once you are a participant.I spent half my life as as agnostic before being guided to a church which I'm convinved moves with the Holy Spirit.Praying for you, OP.
>>18133512Meant to reference >>18131169
>>18133512That's the thing, i felt moved by the current congregation im attending but i started to have some disagreements with protestanism as a whole that made me even more curious about the catholic church in general. For starters, despite being there for a year i can still see some contempt on the leaders' faces when they see me except for the pastor
>>18133526What is driving the percieved contempt? Have you prayed about it, and spoken to others of your congregation about it?Regardless, you will have to be prepared for people to not like you or at least be indifferent. This is a flaw of man that we cannot see each other's hearts, so we can't fully understand one another. I've seen well-meaning Christians opt out of church altogether becauss local parishes don't make the active effort to make them feel accommodated enough, but understand that participation with a church entails humility and resolve. Every body looks different, and some have abrassive members, but to act in your community with faith can change it for the better. (In time!)
>>18131088>How do I choose between Catholic/Orthodox/one of the Protestant denominations?By researching their history, beliefs, and how you think/feel about them. Ready to Harvest on YouTube has several well produced videos breaking down different denominations; he has several on Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, and the various Protestant denominations.Being a Protestant doesn't matter these days to Roman Catholicism given the Vatican 2 developments; they accept baptisms as valid if they're done with the triune formula (to my recollection). Perhaps look into the justification for the Protestant reformation through theologians like Martin Luther, John Calvin, or Zwingli. Perhaps look at justifications (non-apologetic - ideally) for Roman Catholicism, and so on.
>>18131088>How do I choose between Catholic/Orthodox/one of the Protestant denominations?you do not, you let Holy Spirit make a choice for you.> I want the truthSpeak to God and he will answer, welcome.
>>18133571>Being a Protestant doesn't matter these days to Roman Catholicism given the Vatican 2 developments; they accept baptisms as valid if they're done with the triune formula (to my recollection).Eastern Orthodox, at least the Greeks, accept our baptisms too; the converts will just get confirmed with oil after receiving catechumenate.Christianity is more united in real life than in the internet.
>>18133566Honestly not a clue but i can just see it. I dont think im unappealing since i usually shower occasionally. No one seems genuinely close either outside my friends group. I understand some people will like me and others won't, but to see them approach it so surface level is rather underwhelming to say the least. Or maybe they just feel like they dont have much in common? To be fair, i usually tend to do well better with people who are either on my age bracket or have similar backgrounds. >I've seen well-meaning Christians opt out of church altogether becauss local parishes don't make the active effort to make them feel accommodated enoughFor me, im very anal about sincerity and i dont really like when people act haughty or seem to be it. Anyways, since i dont feel that attached to it i can also feel like i can go to the local chapel as well. the last time i was there, i literally could feel the Spirit talking to me and welcoming me back
>>18131088Challenge them all to actually literally turn wine into blood and whoever succeeds must be telling the truth. Or you can always go the biblical route and challenge them to set fire to sacrificial meat, but that would require the winner murders the losers and I don't think modern priests have the stomach for that.
>>18133575Interesting, wasn't aware of that, ty.
>>18133577Bless your endeavor. Struggle, doubt, and questioning are natural. Remember topray often as you find a church that satisfies the soul.
>>18133601Thanks brother. I will pray that your day goes well for you and your loved ones
>>18133575>Eastern Orthodox, at least the Greeks, accept our baptisms too; the converts will just get confirmed with oil after receiving catechumenate.Well that's against the canon rules of 'Ιερον Πηδαλιον' which was written by St. Nicodemus the Agiorite. Given that 90% of the new calendar Church are heretics sumbmitting to the pope, i wouldn't trust any orthodox church near you. Try finding a church that goes with the old calendar.
>>18133449and who continued their traditions and preserved the writing and events that lead to the canonization of the bible? Oh the church. Jesus didn’t come to establish a book but a body, the church.
>>18133652This. This is a perfect example of the kind of schizo you want to avoid.
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>>18133671>>18133673I don't make the rules, I just stated the fact that in order for a catechumen to join the Orthodox church, he must get baptized again. What's so schizo about that? I mean look i get it that those 'rules' might seem kinda scary when you first look at them, but the problem with 90% of orthodox churches they don't follow the holy fathers and they will excommunicate you if you say something against them.
>>18133673>ifunny I can say the same about a proddie:>DUDE No you have to listen to forrest frank to honor God because....>IT JUST IS OK?
>>18133689muni muni muni muni muni>>18133692>beating a strawman that does not exist here>I literally said to follow God's words>lmao
>>18133704i wasnt that anon btw but twitter takes are as valid as asking for a pedestrian's opinion
>>18133673I'm a cradle Catholic. Given the region my family comes from we have been Catholic for over 1,600 years.Nowadays, adult converts on the average tend to be better educated on theology than we are. I think the Church itself recognizes we have problems in how we are taught the fate. This was specially bad for those who grew up in the period after VII and before the Catechism of the Catholic Church was written. Things have improved a lot since the CCC was written
>>18131256>there's one canon per denominationNonsense. Uninformed or trolling. >>18131088OP, invest in NRSVue hard copy, download the Hebrew/Greek interlinear Bible app for cross reference in case something sounds sus.If you're a real scholarly type, get the Oxford NRSVue with apocrypha. You will need at least a year to work through the text if you're not doing it by audiobook. Adjust your expectations.t. asked the same question 2 years ago here on /his/
>>18133689Is a catechumen someone who caught AIDS from another man?
>>18133806The NRSVUE economy paperback from Hendrickson that doesn't have the apocrypha is a 50% less expensive (literally like $8) holds up pretty well. It's thinner as it doesn't have the apocrypha, and you sort of don't need the apocrypha until you have read the entire thing, as you can just read about the Maccabees online. Most English language bibles traditionally never had them (presumably for space reasons) but the 1611 KJV actually did.
>>18133860good follow-up I wouldn't recommend the apocrypha myself, but I assumed as a conscientious investigator OP might wish to be thorough.50% is very persuasive for a poor bookworm
I'm not trying to spread hate here. I'm honestly asking. How do Protestants deal with the church fathers, especially Ignatius of Antioch? Admittedly the early church sounds pretty Catholic or Orthodox.
>>18133806>"there's one canon per denomination"Try actually reading my reply next time
>>18131088They are all equally wrong, so just pick whichever temple is closest to your home.
>>18131493>I dont regret rejecting the gospelYou will.
>>18132857LARP
>>18134102>45k christist denominations>mapped across previous anon's post about presumption of canon, with different denoms having different canons>that makes potentially 45k different canon constructions>more canons than Britannica has pagesHow much do (YOU) get to exaggerate before I'm allowed to cry "horseshit"?
>>18134094Proddies mostly don't; most people mostly don't. But if forced they will take it in stride and just uncomfortably ignore the parts that cause cognitive dissonance.Like Martin Luther's last significant tract.t. proddie
>>18134081It's a really nice edition. I actually use it to look up verses and for daily office instead of my Oxford as it's nice and compact.
>>18134171You got blessed man. Secondhand NRSVue does not exist where I am, and box-wrapped costs a full day's wages. Good on you.
>>18134094Depends on what type. The types with the same structure (Anglicans, Methodists, Bishop having Lutherans etc) are unbothered. The types without don't necessarily believe the church fathers to really matter at all, which is a fair point, as if it was canon why wasn't it added to the Biblical canon? It's a bit like asking why (most) Protestants don't venerate Mary when she was bodily assumed into heaven, when they don't believe she was bodily assumed into heaven.
>>18134149>thinks there's 45 kazillion prot denoms unironically>thinks they all have different canonslmao. lmfao even.
>>18131088You should be a mormon or Baptist since you're American. They're not Christian so you can still be a quasi atheist
>>18134268Enjoy Hell.
>>18134990Please keep using your name, namefag, makes it easy to filter your posts. Enjoy.
>>18134135keep coping
>>18134094they don't and can't, its logically impossible for them. Having a church structure that doesn't align or follow with what was historical an apostolic undermines their system.
>>18135164The Bible is my final authority, not epic beard men. Have fun burning, rodent. Your LARP won't profit you anything. :)
>>18131088heres the truth: obviously christianity is false and there is no god but if you study the rules of the religion, that is rather the theology you quickly start to notice, especially after romans 8 and romans 9, that calvinism is the proper reading of this theology.its like studying dnd rules and realizing while its not reality, the right way to read the rules is indeed this way.
>>18135203Did the Bible tell you that I am condemned proddie? Since the bible is the final authority it said I'm right and instead that you are condemned.
>>18135221
>>18135238there is no hell in the bible
>>18135237>Did the Bible tell you that I am condemnedYes. Enjoy Hell.
>>18135258No. I am right you schizo with talking books.
>>18133845Keep Projecting
>>18135258Protestants are the worst can only say burn lol go back to your mega church.
>>18131088Same way you chose your religion in general. Figure out which one has the worst most terrifying afterlife if you're wrong, and bet on that so that at least you don't go to that version of hell if you're wrong. Good luck.
>>18135164Could you make the argument that Protestants are catholic and apostolic, since they receive the Scriptural writings of the twelve apostles, and therefore, they follow the earliest church history, even earlier than Ignatius? Please don't hurt me.
>>18131268God civilises the uncivilised, Hallelujah!
>>18131493You like Martin Luther? What? The Protestant Deformation is the root cause of basically all the problems we have today.
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>>18135335I am not the one kissing men.
>>18135388They don't even have the same number of books or interpretation on sacraments as the catholic and orthodox churches, that's a problem if you follow historicity and tradition.
>>18131088Don't. You are a right wing atheist who thinks he needs to be a christcuck because you are terminally online and have absorbed too many memes about atheism being cringe and reddit. Faith isn't (or shouldn't be) a costume, you don't "choose" your beliefs, you either believe or you don't.
>>18135441Says the person nonstop talking about kissing men. Its ok you can step out of the closet.
We don't want any more fucking late life Catholic converts. Fuck off
>>18135483I just find it gay as fuck and want Orthodox Patriarchs to stop making Popes do gay shit.
>>18135468Should become a Hegelian Lutheran instead.
>>18131088I'd suggest Protestant, but honestly just visit churches of each and see which one feels more like home.I found a subcategory of the Protestant branch the most reasonable one, but I'm ecumenical and occasionally go to orthodox and catholic church.
>>18131206>Which denomination is the least different from Early Christianity? The Primitive Church of the first century has much more in common with memorialist, non-pentecostal Evangelicals like Baptists than with Orthos or Caths.They resemble later iterations more closely, starting to appear by the 3rd and 4th century.
>>18133665>and who continued their traditions and preserved the writing and events that lead to the canonization of the bible?There aren't any traditions established by any of the Apostles or gospel writers anywhere in scripture. The canonization happened by the hand of God who promised He would preserve His word, and He's used many people from many walks of life over the years to get that done.>Oh the church. Jesus didn’t come to establish a book but a body, the church.The book had already been established before the foundation of the world. The Lord Jesus Christ came to fulfill the words written in that book, and it's no coincidence He's called the Word of God.
>>18131442The Sam Shamoun/Jay Dyer/Orthodox Luigi crowd is insufferable and incredibly unchristian.Worse than the "NOT IN THE FULLNESS OF THE CHURCH" Catholicst. Proud Evangelical.
>>18131787The Crusades, particularly th First Crusade, were one of the most beautiful, righteous, glorious, and necessary endeavours ever undertaken and my only regret is they happened 400 years too latet. Protestant>>18131851Luther had tons of wacko takes and shouldn't be taken as the fountain of Truth.
>>18134186>>18134094We read and study the Church Fathers and important theologians and councils.From Irenaeus to Origen to Clement to Athanasius to Augustine to Polycarp to Ignatius of Antioch, etc.We just don't take them as these quasidivine references but just very important theologians, plus, anyone past the age of 30 is aware how much a student can differ from his master, particularly if the mentorship lasted a few years and not decades upon decades of close, in-person, inseparable work.t. Evangelical
>>18135164Absolutely insane argument to make, and incredibly ignorant. See: >>18135554
>>18135451Memorialism and Credobaptism were the earliest beliefs lmaoYou can bark "muh tradition" all you want but it is a ridiculous point to make
>>18135544In the eys of a protestant, everyone is a heretic except themselves
>>18135559They Baptize entire households in Acts and 1 Corinthians, and Paul compares it to being a replacement to circumcision. The Didache also mentions infant Baptism. They did it by pouring, sprinkling, and immersing so was flexible too.
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>>18135536You Protestants are so dishonest . Their really isn't any traditions in scripture thats were established. So what is baptism, communion?
>>18135203As a protestant, how do you know you have the right scripture?
>>18131088None since they've all been long canceled. "Protestant" I guess since you got evangelicals (most normal sounding) and non-denoms (most focused on cutting-edge field-tested accuracy) in there but everyone starts somewhere and everyone falls short. Those are just the spoilers. You'll be fine as long as you avoid the common trap of relying on translations and not looking at Greek and Hebrew. You'll be punished for every verse you contradict or not know but keep getting back up or just remember that you'll have too. Most importantly, God looks at money very meticulously and closely… It is what is and even I can't argue about that one. You'll need to be profound about it. That's all I would say to "starting out". God wants to get rid of this wealth inequality with the billionaires situation so bad. It is in his heart.
>>18135605NTA but I trust King James because he actually did something about witches.
>>18135594>>You Protestants are so dishonest . Their really isn't any traditions in scripture thats were established. So what is baptism, communion?That's not what I said (talk about dishonesty). I specifically said the Apostles and gospel writers did not establish any traditions themselves that we can read about in scripture. Communion (if you mean the breaking of bread) was established by Jesus Himself. Baptism, however, served it's ritualistic purpose under the law (and short transitional period after it) back in the day, but it's no longer required for anything anymore: "For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. " (1 Corinthians 1:17)Also I'm not a protestant as commonly defined.
>>18135617How are evangelicals the most normal sounding.
>>18135622Paul literally tells the churches to “hold fast to the traditions” he handed down (2 Thess 2:15.) And baptism isn't required anymore lol in Roman's 6:3-4 Paul explains baptism as a moment we are united with Christ. And you took Corinthians 1 without the rest of the context. Again being dishonest.
>>18135623They really are. They do because they interact with many different kinds of people on the level where they are, diversity nation(s) and all not just taking 10% and explaining nothing. A weirdo "denomination" (not named in scripture therefore a construct and not actually existent in reality) would ask that question like>How art evangelicals thy superlative seemingly ordinary…Right? yeah…>>18135620Be like Jeet, right? Thou shall not kill, not a cow, not a fly, not anyone for any reason. KJV says Thou shalt not kill and everything is just FIIIIIINE, right? Idiot, idiot, idiot, snap out of it and embrace the unlearning process.
>>18135684Sorry but witches are bad and James I solved the issue. He was based. Plus his bible sounds cool.
>>18135684Have you seen how some of these evangelicals interact with people.
>>18135703Y..y..yeah but don't kill em tho… Thou shalt not kill, glazer!! Boom! All is vanity… ooo love that poisonous one, too. Yeah, beat these idolator allegations now, sad glazer. That idol is dead.>>18135708ahh! saying THAT WORD yeah, not seeing the exclusivity.
>>18135708Also, emptying bank accounts for Jesus less than 5 times is rookie numbers in the big 2025 almost 2026. Sell everything and give it to the poor. That one's in there, right?
>>18135714I am not against magic users, just evil ones. Our courts don't take this seriously enough.
>>18135665>Paul literally tells the churches to “hold fast to the traditions” he handed down (2 Thess 2:15.)Let's read it then: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle. " (2 Thessalonians 2:15)He didn't say the "traditions I established" or anything remotely similar. It specifically says "traditions which ye have been taught" or rather what was handed out to him and taught others, like the breaking of bread. But clearly that's not even the context here.There's nothing in the epistles addressing any new post-Jesus traditions (as you'd define them) whatsoever. He's clearly talking about the knowledge of Christ and the mysteries of the church revealed to him of God. The knowledge contained in the epistles are the "traditions" referred to here, and if it weren't so, then Paul failed to enlighten the church regarding these matters.In fact, the very definition of tradition includes the teaching of doctrine, which he extensively did:"2. The delivery of opinions, doctrines, practices, rites and customs from father to son, or from ancestors to posterity; the transmission of any opinions or practice from forefathers to descendants by oral communication, without written memorials. Thus children derive their vernacular language chiefly from tradition Most of our early notions are received by tradition from our parents." - Websters.>And baptism isn't required anymore lol in Roman's 6:3-4 Paul explains baptism as a moment we are united with Christ.Baby christian detected: "The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: " (1 Peter 3:21)>And you took Corinthians 1 without the rest of the context. Again being dishonestWell, let's analyze the context then.
>>18135718You need to explain what you're doing for sure. I know that the weird guys don't care because it brings attention to Jesus or whatever but obviously people get caught up and it's very harsh. I guess the courts don't care. Sure, but the point of the spiritual tactics is that the courts will never stop them. Bewitchment is just a cultural thing (Simon). You'll see me around promoting using Greek and Hebrew study with AI to never deal with church politics. That's God's mission for this generation so they get it over it, know what's what and actually inherit stuff instead of strangers, promised land.
>>18135732You is not second person there and yeah. Witches are bad. They like to harvest your talents, gains, money, horrible stuff.
>>18135720Jesus taught it, but it only became tradition once the Apostles received it, practiced it, and handed it on. Something becomes Tradition only once it is received, practiced and passed on. Quoting 1 Peter 3:21 refutes you. That verse makes it clear that baptism is seen as salvific. Also John 3:5 refutes your claim as well.
>>18135571No, we don't believe that.For starters we view every Christian as being part of the Church, Orthos and Caths don't.
>>18135813Orthos require you to kiss them on the lips to consider you Christian, so I would consider them not thinking I was Christian to be a compliment.
>>18135821>Thinking about men kissing Gay detected
>>18135826I wouldn't think about it if they didn't have icons of Peter and Paul kissing. It's fucking weird. Like why the fuck are they always kissing?
>>18135832A few icons of Peter and paul embracing in a hug is now kissing. Ok dude keep Projecting your homo thoughts.
Not OP, but I figured i finally tell /his/ since i was a frequent atheist poster here and had many debates with """christians""". (im really used to saying christc***) Simply, I converted back to christianity because i finally got a girlfriend and she is christian and she is the happiest thing to ever happen to me. I am not saying what sect.So fine Christians, Jesus won.
>>18135805>Jesus taught it, but it only became tradition once the Apostles received it, practiced it, and handed it on. Something becomes Tradition only once it is received, practiced and passed on."For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. " (1 Corinthians 1:17)>Quoting 1 Peter 3:21 refutes you. That verse makes it clear that baptism is seen as salvific.What part of "not the putting away of the filth of the flesh" you didn't get in the context of baptism? Baptism today is not a ritual or ceremonial act of cleansing as if we were under OT law; it's literally believing on the Lord Jesus Christ. That's what saves us. If anything is abundantly clear in scripture is the fact that God made salvation as easy, quick and unobtrusive as possible so everyone could get in, and not having a capacity to dunk yourself in water would defy such a purpose.>Also John 3:5 refutes your claim as wellLet's read it: "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. " (John 3:5)Again, we are not jews under the law where baptism was required; that was effectively phased out at some point during the time of Acts. We are born of the Spirit without any need of a physical contact:"Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. " (Romans 3:19-20)
>>18135813>Orthos and Caths don't.And that is correctThere is only 1 objective Truth.Your tolerance of heresy is the exact reason why 2 people can read the same scripture and come up with different interpretations, which is based on their political ideologyEither there's only 1 or nothing is correct.God will not contradict himself
>>18135860Still gay and weird.
>>18135872> Literally believing is enoughMark 16:16, Acts 2:38 disagree.Also your >born of the spiritTake does not align with scripture as Ignoring the water ignores the biblical pattern of sacramental initiation.Now for 1 Corinthians > “Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel”Yeah, Paul’s point is his focus, not that baptism isn’t needed.> 1 Corinthians 1:17 proves baptism isn’t necessaryExcept he literally baptized people elsewhere (Acts 18:8, 1 Cor 1:16) and commands it everywhere (Mark 16:16, Acts 2:38).Stop twisting the context.
>>18135930> Literally believing is enough Mark 16:16, Acts 2:38 disagree."He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. " (Mark 16:16)It says the damned is "he that believeth not", not "he that is not baptized"."Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. " (Acts 2:38)Again, transitional period going from OT law to NT grace. Not applicable today. Let's just look at this: "Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas, And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house. And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway. " (Acts 16:29-33)Here you have belief on the Lord Jesus as the sole requirement for salvation and baptism as a ritual performed after salvation, not the other way around.>Also your born of the spirit Take does not align with scripture as Ignoring the water ignores the biblical pattern of sacramental initiation.No such thing as "sacramental initiation" anywhere in scripture.Now for 1 Corinthians “Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel” Yeah, Paul’s point is his focus, not that baptism isn’t needed.If it's actually needed, why didn't God send him to baptize along with the preaching of the cross? Makes zero sense to leave it out if it's indeeed a requirement for salvation.
>>18135930>1 Corinthians 1:17 proves baptism isn’t necessary Except he literally baptized people elsewhere (Acts 18:8, 1 Cor 1:16)Again, transitional period. He baptized at the beginning but after the law was phased out, he did not anymore and that's explained by "For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. " (1 Corinthians 1:17)>Stop twisting the context.Stop pretending you are an OT jew.
>>18131088Ask your local rabbi, he'll tell you everything you need to know.
>>18131088Why are, or were, you an athiest? I ask because after talking to another former athiest turned christian he had entirely different reasons for not believing.Not believing isn't really accurate though, it was like he always believed that "something" was god/a creator exists. I am a logical person so my reasons were entirely different.That might sound like I'm insulting him by calling him illogical but he literally told me he doesn't value logic as much. His life fell apart not long before his conversion so that probably had something to do with it.
>>18135870God bless you, Anon! It isn't about being smarter, we're all pathetically limited in our capacity to know. It isn't about lording it over someone with the correct opinion, since it's really about a relationship with God, freely chosen or rejected. But God met us, and offered us an incredible thing, friendship with perfect goodness in Jesus Christ. I hope that you grow in that love and that it grows in you.
>>18131088<Pray to God. He will guide your choice.>Educate yourself on what denomination belives, especially about God.>Attend services from various denominations before commiting to one.Amen.
>>18131088fag
>>18131206> Besides the last one, I think the answer will be either Catholic or OrthodoxYou have to be huffing gasoline. Catholicism and Orthodoxy came about from the merging of the church with the state (or rather, its acceptance as the dominant state ideology). But that took literal centuries to happen. If they want "the real early Christianity," they'd need to learn to actually read the book and reconstruct it themselves with the help of other similarly "neurotic" Christians who bothered trying to do this throughout history. But since this requires even attempting to treat Biblical criticism as a science, they will inevitably hit a wall where they must either become an atheist again or say "this far and no further," like in whether they consider Paul an infidel innovator or not, or what side they should take in the Peter-Paul split, or which Gospel to use as their baseline. But most people will not put that much effort since it typically runs counter to the motivation for the God fantasy (a magical creature who I can defer my responsibility to think and say onto). In that sense, the most correct response is just "whatever Church is closest" since in all likeliness OP will just retroactively justify the decision later anyway. It's even worse since OP is probably trapped in some sort of fantastical view of other Christians where Christians are all certain about why they do the things they do and they just need to find the ONE or whatever (or else why bother asking? Even if I imagined myself becoming a Christian again I wouldn't trust random wankers on 4chan because I know that most Christians are just coasting on what their pastors say). The fantasy comes from the fantasy of God in the first place. All the Christians responding are repugnant for feeding into the fantasy but I also understand that this is what Christians come to do and is also an extension of the same fantasy.
>>18135980> “He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved”Jesus literally ties belief + baptism together.> “but he that believeth not shall be damned”Yeah, unbelievers aren’t baptized anyway, that’s why it’s not repeated.> Acts 2:38 was just a transitional periodCool headcanon, but Peter links baptism to forgiveness + the Holy Spirit.> Acts 16:31 proves faith alone…and then they got baptized immediately after believing. No separation.Bible never phases out baptism — your interpretation does.>“No such thing as sacramental initiation in Scripture”Acts literally shows everyone believing, baptized and receiving the Spirit. That *is* initiation. Cope harder.>“Christ didn’t send Paul to baptize”Yeah, because others did the baptizing. Paul’s job was preaching, not running a baptismal booth. Doesn’t mean baptism stopped mattering.
>>18135981>“Transitional period”Ah yes, the invisible doctrine nobody in Scripture or history mentioned.>“Christ didn’t send me to baptize”Yeah genius, read the verse before it. They were arguing over who baptized them like fanboys. He literally kept preaching baptism after Acts. Cope harder.
>>18131362>billy bobClassism isn't Christian.
>>18131434Is that really how you talk about one of your prophets?
>>18135684>Be like Jeet, right?Like Saint Thomas?
>>18135821Jesus kissed men though? It wasn't always a sexual thing.
Don't tell anyone, but its the Assyrian church of the east.
>>18136593Kino.
I don't get it, if you are an atheist - that means you think Christianity is false
>>18131088>I want the truthyou cannot handle the truth
>>18131088you can become Catholic, or you can join some fake protestant church and end up in hell. up to you. >>18131284there are 2 forms of Christianity: the one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church founded by Jesus Christ in 33 AD, and heretics.
>>18131088>I am a rational person who somehow became a drooling retard
