>"Why do you call me good? No one is good but One, God". i thought jesus WAS God though? so wouldn't the guy be doing the right think by calling him good? what did jesus mean by this?
>>18133131In context He's saying: "If you're gonna call me good, better acknowledge the fact that I'm God, but calling me good while denying my deity isn't gonna buy you anything".
>>18133147what contextual cues are there for this? im not really seeing them
>>18133151There's none, he's just pulling it out of his ass like most christians do
>>18133151Because you're focusing on a single verse while disregarding the rest of the bible:"And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. " (Exodus 3:14)"Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. " (John 8:58)
>>18133161im not really seeing how those things are contextual cues that explain why jesus refered to God as something separate though
>>18133166Jesus is God and the bible is very clear about it. These people refused to acknowledge this fact and He wasn't going along with their bs. He was a 100% correct; only God has the right to be called good. Everybody else just lives in varying levels of sin.
>>18133156read kikejeet shitstain
>>18133178>only God has the right to be called good.ok but why was the man then wrong to call him good?
>>18133186>if I glorify myself, the glory means nothing>my father (who is me) is the one who glorifies meso it means nothing since it IS him glorifying himself?
>>18133190I explained this already. Since only God is good, if you don't believe Jesus is God, then you have no business calling Him good as a mere man cannot be good.
>>18133195>backpedals>asks another retarded question(you) need to read more stinky
>>18133197>a mere man cannot be goodWhat about Mary?
>>18133203well yea, you posted more information so i asked a question about what you posted. thats how conversations work cant you answer the question?
>>18133197its never implied at all in the text that that is what he means though. it sound like you are just working backwards from a conclusion youve already made
>>18133208you're a disingenuous liarThat's how I respond to your kind
>>18133209you haven't even read the text you lying piece of shit colored rat
>>18133212so youre just going to slander me for seemingly no reason then? whats "my kind?" theres nothing disingenuous about my posts, im a christian trying to understand seemingly problematic verses in order to better understand
>>18133205God's chosen vessel for the incarnation of His Son. God-fearing woman, best woman for the job who also served in the early church and isn't mentioned ever again specifically after the events of Acts, but ultimately a sinner who received salvation through Jesus' blood just like everybody else.
>>18133205>a mere man>Maryare you retarded?
>>18133209You hate God and refuse to believe what the bible teaches. Your problem, not mine.
>>18133220but thats a straight up lie? Im quite attached to God and jesus especially, im literally reading the bible to better understand it
>>18133215>so it means nothing since it IS him glorifying himself?>I'm a Christian you are not. you're a compulsive liar not interested in discussion go fuck your sister dumb inbred
>>18133224why cant you answer the question? go fuck your sister dumb inbredwhy are you acting like some kind of deranged degenerate saying this horrible overly evil crap?>I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken. For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemnedhow are you going to explain this to jesus?
>>18133222If you picked up a KJV, you cannot finish it without concluding the Lord Jesus Christ is God manifest in the flesh. Notice He's making emphasis on goodness even though some people are called good throughout scripture. This is a special type of good, this is talking about a holy, sinless good, a good that only belongs to God.
>>18133213but I have? >you lying piece of shit colored ratonce again, why are you acting like some kind of deranged degenerate saying this horrible overly evil crap? how are you going to explain this to jesus?
>>18133216>but ultimately a sinnerMary is literally described as "having commited no sin" not just "a god-fearing woman", stop pulling shit out of your ass you disingenuous piece of shit
>>18133233>Mary is literally described as "having commited no sin"Chapter and verse.
>>18133227>redditspacing>continues being a disingenuous liarType up a proper question and I will answer properly. Even better, make a thread and incorporate your question therein. I do not play nice with pieces of shit who come here to insult what they do not know.have a great day and go fuck yourself
>>18133217Learn english language retard
>>18133231Have you?What does John 1.1 say?
>>18133229well i litterally have KJV in my hand right now and I am reading it, and I came across some passages i want to understand better, and youve absolutely lost your mind spouting vile obsceneties at me >He's making emphasis on goodness even though some people are called good throughout scripture. This is a special type of good, this is talking about a holy, sinless good, a good that only belongs to God.ok well im asking you, what are the contextual cure for this. because im not seeing anyy "special emphasis" in the text , because im just not really seeing what you are saying in the text the passage preceeding context:17And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? 18And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God. where is this emphasis on a second separate type of goodness you are talking about?
>>18133240>mereyou're the one who needs to learn, retardlook up the definition of 'dogma' too
>>18133242>obscenetiesThat's a different anon, probably the same that called me "disingenuous piece of shit" on the Mary thing.
>>18133236i did ask a straight forward question, and i literally did make a thread about it, this is my thread>have a great day and go fuck yourselfwhy are you spoiting this vial vitol at me when im literally just trying to understand the bible? whats wrong with you? im not even your enemy and you cant even contain your hatred. it seems like youre the one who needs to revisit the gospels because the way you are acting is absolutely evil
>>18133245That was me and I stand by what I said
>>18133242Again, the rest of the the bible sets the context here, not any specific verse in the same chapter.
>>18133235If you don't acknowledge Immaculate conception then you're neither catholic or orthodox, we have nothing to talk about loser
>>18133249I cannot stand blasphemers and you are one of the worst If you were a Christian, you would not write like you doI already pointed out why I called you a liarIf you're not the first person I responded to, you're still just as bad as him
>>18133257You can take it and shove it back into the place it came from.
>>18133258why does reading the bible and trying to understand passages in it make me a "blasphemer"? seriously dude what the hell is wrong with you? i take a sincere interest in Christ and pick up a bible, in it i find a passage that troubles me, so i figure ill ask about it online and see what more veteran Christians with more knowledge than me have to say to clear up my misunderstandings, and instead of finding understanding i find you telling me to have sex with my sister and insulting me? if anyone here "isnt a real christian" its you, given that Christs teachings seem completely lost on you. even if i WAS your enemy, which im not, this kind of behaviour is completely unacceptable
>>18133244So Mary isn't just "mere" even though she's also not a God, but Jesus would be mere?And just before you start your bullshit again, let me remind you this is literally the shit you claimed:>you have no business calling Him good as a mere man cannot be good
>>18133260It's the same place from which the concept of trinity came to be btw
>>18133264>you have no business calling Him good as a mere man cannot be goodI, a different anon, said that, but you're mistaking me for this other person you just quoted and are debating. Be careful to follow the thread.
It's called the Hypostatic Union, Jesus is both fully human and fully divine at the same time, so reading that through the human lense makes sense.
>you have to play by your rulesshut the fuck up. you don't even know what my rules are>There's none, he's just pulling it out of his ass like most christians doThis is what I responded to and (you) jumped right in Did you read John 1.1 yet?If you were a real Christian you would not speak like this.If you were a non-Christian interested in Christianity you would not speak like this.So what are you exactly? And what is your question regarding Christ's Divinity?
>>18133253this just seems like a pretty big cop out that does nothing to explain the phrasing
>>18133267No idea what this has got to do with anything, but if the KJV declares it, I believe it, and that's just how it is with the Godhead: "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. " (1 John 5:7)
>>18133273There's nothing to cope about. You hate Jesus just like pharisees did and refuse to believe what the bible says about Him being God.
>>18133264>>you have no business calling Him good as a mere man cannot be goodThat was not me but the other anon and he is 100% right Look up the definition of dogmaThis is the second time I am telling you to.
>>18133272>Did you read John 1.1 yet?i have read it already, yes>If you were a real Christian you would not speak like this.that doesn't make sense given that arian christians were a pretty big thing and there lived closer to christs time than any of us >>If you were a non-Christian interested in Christianity you would not speak like this.this just plain doesn't make sense at allI take interest in christianitytheres a billion different denominations and interpretations of everything all i can do is read the bible and figure it outi read the bible and find conflicting informationgee maybe i should ask online to clairify my confusion >go fuck your sister fuck off blasphemer youre not a real christian!!what part of this doesnt make sense?
>>18133276that's what they always docherrypick a verse and make some idiotic claims while pretending they're here to 'learn' and 'discuss'
>>18133276but i dont hate jesus, thats literally why i picked up a bible im just trying to clarify why this passage appears to have jesus referring to God as something separate from himself, and instead of helping me out youre either spouting vague non-answers that dont help me at all, or straight up foaming at the mouth spouting vile obscenities at me i would have thought that as a ""real christian" would would be above this kind of thing but I guess not
>>18133282Maybe you should ask honestly, not make some shit blaspheming thread and expecting people to answer in good faith. Put in more effort, and the results will be different. So far, you've done nothing but lie through your teeth
>>18133287i did ask honestly>So far, you've done nothing but lie through your teethwhere did I lie? why are you acting this way? i literally just read through the gospels and this sure as hell isn't how Christ taught us to act
>>18133286>im just trying to clarify why this passage appears to have jesus referring to God as something separate from himself,If that were true, you'd see that Jesus' deity addressed everywhere else in the bible gives the correct context and justification to that verse, but you're not having it. He's telling you plainly, either acknowledge me as God or don't bother calling me anything else.
>>18133286>plays the victim>while lying and blaspheming You are not here to engage in an honest debate I will give you one more chance, and I'm being far too generous considering the shit you have typed thus far.What is your question regarding Christ's Divinity? Why do you doubt His Word?
>>18133294well yea i have seen Jesus divinity addressed in other books in the bible, like john as someone has given as an example, but that doesn't really address the issue here as we are talking about different books with potentially different interpretations >He's telling you plainlyits not saying it plainly at all, the phrasing of the verse does not imply anything you are saying , telling it plainly would be like" why do you call me good? only God is good, therefore my goodness is an indicator I am god" but he doesn't say that
>>18133291Other anon already gave you the answer before I did. You refused it and continue to play dumb. >I read John 1.1Then you need to go back and read it again. The whole Gospel. And then the other three Gospels. And the rest of NT. It's all very clear>muh ariansthat was settled at the Council of Nicaea. Judas Iscariot was also closer in time to Christ than I am. That does not make Judas a better Christian Do you understand now?
>>18133295my question is why does jesus in some books seem to refer to God as separate form himselfthe doubts this brings to mind for me is whether or not Christs own words lean towards Aranism or some other form of Christianity, as as i said, i am new to thing and not really committed to any specific interpretation yet, and of course a secondary doubt caused by this conflicting with other books the reason i am posting here asking you is because i would like to here what other more veteran christians have to say, so i can clear up this inability to understand these issues and move onme simply asking questions is not accusatory, and there is literally no reason for you to get defensive to the point of committing sins like telling me to fuck my sister
>>18133305>that was settled at the Council of Nicaeathat doesnt mean anything to me, there are a million different authorities claiming a million different interpretations.no, i do not understand now, you are not being helpful in any way by sperging out like this instead of just helping me understand the verse
>>18133318That question was answered more than 1700 years ago by men of higher piety and intellect than me. You are asking a little too late.The Christological debates were very much in vogue in Constantinople, Antioch, Alexandria and elsewhere all the way to the seventh century or so because humans like to confuse things and split hairs for material gain or due to pride instead of following the Lord's example. As far as the Gospel is concerned, it is all very clear. Christ (the Son) has always existed alongside the Father and the Holy Spirit and of the same Divine Substance. He came down as a Teacher and the Lamb of God. Both crucial for our salvation, but the second part more so in my limited understanding. His Words are always to be remembered, and His Act (the Passion) is the greatest thing in human history and will always be.
>>18133321>Council of Nicaea does not matter hot take for a 'Christian' >I need to understand the verseread it with your heart
>>18133304>its not saying it plainly at all, the phrasing of the verse does not imply anything you are sayingAgain, it does if you understand scripture. That's the only logical conclusion if you understand the fact that He's God.>telling it plainly would be like" why do you call me good? only God is good, therefore my goodness is an indicator I am god" but he doesn't say thatThat would be a stupid way of implying Godhood because they didn't even understand His sinlessness.
Jesus was a rabbi. Jesus is not God. He would probably be horrified to find out so many people are calling him God and detracting from the glory of the Father.Enoch and Elijah both ascended to heaven without dying. We don't worship them.If you want to please Jesus, serve the Father.
>>18133362cope hindjoo
>>18133318>my question is why does jesus in some books seem to refer to God as separate form himselfJesus was on a mission to return the Jews to the ways of tradition by following the law and serving the father. Matthew 5:17-21 covers this.The first problem is that Paul made everything about abandoning the old laws that Jesus said were still in effect. This is a huge issue and the majority of Christians will deny deny deny but it's exactly what it says. Later, Constantine further damaged things by mixing in Roman paganism. The fact that anon is citing Nicea proves the delusion. No one has the authority to declare Sunday is the Sabbath day now. That's actual heresy. Most Christian holidays are just pagan larps. Replacement theology.The Christian dogmas have led most Christians into sin by teaching them to not obey the laws Jesus himself said must not be thrown away. They simply don't have the courage and conviction to make personal sacrifices and surrender their will to the Father.
This image is a good example of the problem. Even within the NT itself we have this clear schism that cannot be reconciled. I trust Jesus himself over Paul.
>>18133362>Jesus was a rabbi.He was, a real one, not a God-hating pharisee degenerate.>Jesus is not God."And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. " (Exodus 3:14)"Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. " (John 8:58)>He would probably be horrified to find out so many people are calling him GodNot really:"Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. " (John 20:27-29)>and detracting from the glory of the Father."I and my Father are one. " (John 10:30)"Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? " (John 14:9)>Enoch and Elijah both ascended to heaven without dying. We don't worship them.We don't worship Jesus because he ascended into heaven (which we don't know to be the case for Enoch or even explicitly for Elijah), we worship Jesus beause He's God, the Messiah of Israel and His life, death, burial and resurrection declare it so.>If you want to please Jesus, serve the Father."That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. " (John 5:23)
>>18133385I'll believe it when I see it. Even Thomas as you cite had to physically see and touch him.As for Messiah, the best I can suggest is failed Messiah. The Messiah has a checklist of requirements and the last 2000 years indicate Jesus did not complete the job. He isn't the Messiah until he does so. The 2000 years past have been the most horrific in human history in many ways. Does that mean the world is worse off with the advent of Jesus?There is simply inadequate evidence per the very scripture itself that Jesus achieved the goal and fulfilled the prophecies. >inb4 second comingYou don't get credit for the job until you do the job. He's either a failed Messiah or an unfulfilled Messiah at best until we are given that which is promised by the prophets.
>>18133389I'll believe it when I see it.Even Thomas as you cite had to physically see and touch him.You won't believe nothing. They all saw the miracles and that just caused them to hate Him and deny Him even more, much like in the times of the Exodus.>As for Messiah, the best I can suggest is failed Messiah. The Messiah has a checklist of requirements and the last 2000 years indicate Jesus did not complete the job.He completed the ones concerning His first coming, but He also had to get killed to fulfill Daniel and Isaiah 53:"Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. " (Daniel 9:25-26)He showed up at the appointed time and was killed at the appointed time. The rest of the prophecies are thus postponed.>He isn't the Messiah until he does so.Not a requirement anywhere in scripture. There's nothing that says it had to happen in one go. The Messiah just doesn't get killed and all of a sudden we're magically placed into the millenial reign like that didn't happen.
>>18133389>The 2000 years past have been the most horrific in human history in many ways. Does that mean the world is worse off with the advent of Jesus?That's not the His reign, which's to happen at the second coming; that's man's reign.>There is simply inadequate evidence per the very scripture itself that Jesus achieved the goal and fulfilled the prophecies.Without the Messiah showing up 2000 years ago and dying for Israel as Daniel and Isaiah 53 lay out, prophecy would be left unfulfilled, so either the OT is lie and the Messiah didn't show up exactly when God said He would or the NT is true and He did.>inb4 second coming. You don't get credit for the job until you do the job. He's either a failed Messiah or an unfulfilled Messiah at best until we are given that which is promised by the prophets.You don't get to choose how or when God does things. God has reserve to Himself that right.
>>18133354>That would be a stupidwait,... isnt that what you were arguing he was saying?
>>18133420You're not getting this at all. Can't help you any further. Ask God for a better insight.
>>18133422yea im definitely not getting it and am even more confused now. im my interpretation >why do you call me good? only God is good, therefore my goodness is an indicator I am god" is a misunderstanding on my part, then how the hell else does >"Why do you call me good? No one is good but One, God". "become >"Since only God is good, if you don't believe Jesus is God, then you have no business calling Him good as a mere man cannot be good.""otherwise????
>>18133131Look at the context.The guy called Jesus a "Good Teacher". But only God is good. This means the guy either was flattering and using good superficially or understood Jesus to be God. And notice that after that Jesus did speak as someone with divine authority and tells him "Come, follow me".
>>18133437NTA>17 As he was setting out on a journey, a man ran up, knelt down before him, and asked him, “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” 18 Jesus answered him, “Why do you call me good?[c] No one is good but God alone. 19 You know the commandments: ‘You shall not kill; you shall not commit adultery; you shall not steal; you shall not bear false witness; you shall not defraud; honor your father and your mother.’” 20 He replied and said to him, “Teacher, all of these I have observed from my youth.” 21 Jesus, looking at him, loved him and said to him, “You are lacking in one thing. Go, sell what you have, and give to [the] poor and you will have treasure in heaven; then come, follow me.” 22 At that statement his face fell, and he went away sad, for he had many possessions.Only God is good.You can achieve perfection by detaching yourself of everything and following Jesus.Work out the math.
>>18133178If only god is good then jesus isnt god
>>18133797Jesus told the young man in the same story that to be perfect he should abandon everything and follow him.If only God is good and if you want to be perfect you need to abandon everything and follow Jesus, this means Jesus is....
>>18133131He’s saying that since he’s good, he’s God.He’s also telling the rich young man that it is impossible for him to be good since he is not God. Therefore “what good thing must I do to have eternal life” is a wrong question. The answer Jesus gives him is according to “if thou wilt be perfect…”. Which Jesus already established was impossible for the rich young man.You’re getting filtered by a rhetorical question like the rich young man was. Jesus never says it’s wrong to call him good. If you ask the wrong question, Jesus will answer you honestly, and give you an answer to your wrong question. Since you asked wrong though, you will not get the answer you were looking for.The actual question you should ask is “what must I do to be saved?” And stop presuming your “good deeds” are the most important factor. Asking presumptuously gets you a presumptuous answer.
>>18133969>He’s saying that since he’s good, he’s GodNo, he is being humble and saying "why call me good? Only God is good."
>>18133846>this means Jesus is... Teaching people to pursue his philosophy which he believes to be the correct way.Idolatry is punishable by death. Stop worshipping a human as man. The OT clearly says that God does not appear in any form known on earth.
>>18135251Jesus says only God is good, and then acts and speaks as good himself."Only God is good""You can achieve the good by following me"He is saying he is God.
>>18133969>The answer Jesus gives him is according to “if thou wilt be perfect…”. Which Jesus already established was impossible for the rich young man.He said he could be perfect by just giving his wealth to the poor though. A big ask? Sure. Impossible? Certainly not.
>>18135249>No, he is being humble...This is a subjective interpretation. It's not in the text. No where in the text does Jesus say "I am not good.">>18135865>A big ask? Sure. Impossible? Certainly not.This is comprehended within being perfect but not all that being perfect entails.Jesus says "...if thou wilt be perfect..." after the rich young man is essentially saying he has kept all of God's commandments "from his youth up." Jesus is saying "well, if you want to be so perfect... then why don't you sell all that you have?" or something to that effect.We know that Jesus is not just flatly saying "you have to sell all your stuff to go to Heaven" because his disciples ask him immediately afterwards "who then can be saved?" to which he responds>With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.That is to say, rounding out the entire discourse with the rich man, that man cannot save himself by good works, but God can save him.
