What is his legacy as Secretary of Defense under Bush senior?
He was kind of a dick
>>18133638Responsible for the Iraq war. Everyone knew Bush was just a puppet and Cheney was the one in charge
>>18134006>that guy I voted for who fucked everything up?>yeah, he was actually....LE PUPPETclassic
>>18133638He was a straight shooter
him and bush discredited the neocons by starting two wars and crashing the economy, letting obongo waltz in and making it seem like there would never be a republican president again. then trump fell out of the sky
>NO YOU CAN'T REGIME CHANGE NATIONS THAT HATE YOU... THATS NOT FAIR!!!lol, lmao even.
>>18134033they had no idea what a sunni or shia was, which led to a civil war and isislel
It's kind of crazy when you learn that over a million people died as a result of that regime change. Oopsies.
>>18133638Good fucking riddance to bad rubbish.S.
>>18133638Patriot act
>>18134006>Responsible for the Iraq WarBased
>>18133638>under Bush seniorCompetent enough, understood when not to push too far>under WFull retard
>>18134121>full retardWhy
>>18133638A fascist war criminal
>>18134027underrated
>>18134818>fascistcome on nowhe was the shabboest of shabbos goyim at the time
>>18134573probably got to cocky
>>18134833Fascism is Jewish, as much as communism, capitalism and most other shitty bad ideas ppl kill each other over.
>>18134904Fascism is Romanjews jut stole it like they stole the kippah
The most corrupt vice president in modern history only beaten by Biden. He profited by tons from military contracts from the War on Terror.
>in one year /his/ will be able to talk about 9/11september 2026 will be a wild time here
>>18134833He had way more power than he should have, using "fascist" against someone like that is fine. Its not like we should be worrying about hurting his feelings
>>18135181you're hurting my feelings by associating my ideology with dick fucking cheneynow I'm triggered
>>18134030Neoconservatives literally just became the entire establishment mainstream in regards to International Relations.Even Redditors now absolutely jerk off over every single Neocon narrative imaginable. Victoria Nuland who is basically a puppet of Robert Kagan is literally the Liberal Atlanticist hero.
>>18134833>fascism is when you hate jewsThanks for the input, amerilard.
>>18135516Who said anything about hating jews?fascism is when you work for your people dumb fuck
>>18134573>hey remember when we all agreed that regime change in Iraq would be a terrible idea?>lets do it anyways for no good reason lmaooo>our actions have consequences???? wtf how is this possible
>>18134044they did, from the moment US troops set foot on Iraq they collaborated with the Shia in the south and the kurds in the north, the handed the keys of the Iraqi government to the Shiites, this is what led to the civil war, Americans expected secterian skirmishes here and there but ultimately dealth with by their Shia puppets but what they got was an unexpected ruthless jihadist guerrillasif they replaced the Ba'ath regime with a pro-US sunni government the war wouldn't go down the way it went
>>18134818Cry
>>18135650>for no good reason lmaoooToo many Saudi Arabians on those flights. Had to deploy use weapons of mass distraction to protect the bush oil business interests.
>>18135403they mad 'cause Trump wouldn't do a boots on the ground invasion+20 year occupation of Iran
>>18134044the real problem was less removing Saddam (who really wasn't a good guy, let's be honest) as it was the unnecessary years-long occupation solely to enrich military contractors. there was no excuse for that to happen.
>>18136691Reddit gets mad anytime the US doesn't go to war for some clearly fake "humanitarian" bullshit. They literally protested for war back in 2012 (Kony)
>>18136691^This and fuck you John Bolton.
>>18136691The Iranians will call Putin and Putin will tell him to not do it.
>>18136734Given that Putin has demonstrated Luigi Cadorna levels of ineptitude at waging war I wouldn't count on it.
>>18136750He basically had his invasion planned by an LLM.
>>18136750>3 years and 1 million dead or wounded to have gained about 10 miles of territory
>>18136771>>18136750the modern Russian military is banana republic tier, it's not the 1970s Soviet military which actually had pretty deep tactical doctrines
>>18136792>which actually had pretty deep tactical doctrinesI recall that the first victims of the soviet invasion of Afghanistan were soviet soldiers killed by Speznaz.So no, the Great Meat Cube is eternal.
>>18136823Yes, the jet fighters landed, transformed into giant robots and pulled him outta the tube he had been hiding in.
>>18136828Afghanistan was another thing entirely because they were trained and expecting to fight a conventional NATO-Warsaw Pact conflict in Europe with tanks and aircraft, not a mountainous country with guerilla warfare.
>>18136823tbqh it was really the EU's idea rather than his. Italy especially really fucking hated Qadaffi and wanted him gone.
>>18133638He helped convince Congress to let America aide Kuwait. Even though it was needed to stop a war of aggression, the American people still needed to be furthered pushed to go to war.This is probably why he and others in Bush Jr's cabinet lied about WMDs, it would be next to impossible to get America to support a war without 'extra motivation.'Then the Gulf War went just about perfectly.So he was pretty good under Herbert Walker
>>18134573Cheney and much of the Bush admin seemed to believe that the American way of life and government could just be exported wherever, and that people would be grateful to adopt a superior way of life.Funnily enough it was a very ideologically liberal foreign policy.But the world isn't like that.Removing a dictator only causes destabilization. Not everyplace or culture can support a secular, stable democracy.The world found that out the hard way
>>18136957>Italy especially really fucking hated Qadaffi and wanted him gone.Yes, they were anxious to remove a cornerstone of keeping African migration bottled in while also losing control of their oil investments.
>>18133638Ill say this, Cheney was an alcoholic loser installing telephone polls in the middle of fucking nowhere America and he someone turned that around and became one of the most powerful men in American politics. He became a show of force within at the zenith of the neocons movement and when this base demanded that he disavow his lesbian daughter, he refused to do so and told the evangelicals to kick rocks and they still supported him anyway. Theres this myth that he was like the secret puppet master behind the Bush admin, but this is just slop for retards. Anyone who actually studies politics knows that if anyone, it was Donald Rumsfield, who was sort of Cheneys mentor into politics, something both men frequently acknowledged.
>>18137135>This is probably why he and others in Bush Jr's cabinet lied about WMDs, it would be next to impossible to get America to support a war without 'extra motivation.'Heres the thing, Saddam DID have WMD's, this is without question. His use of chemical weapons in the war against Iran and against the Kurds. He tried to develop nukes in the 80s, but the facility was bombed by the Israeli air force and he was never able to recover from that. Even after the Gulf War Saddam would sabre rattle to the world and claim he still had WMDs because he thought he could scare the world into fucking off. He also refused to cooperate with UN inspectors throughout the Clinton and Bush admins. Also, US Troops DID actually find WMDs (chemical weapons) stockpilles in Iraqi military bases and worked with the new Iraqi government to destroy them.The actual source of contention was that they claimed Saddam was working with bin Laden and the fear was that he would give him a WMD to use in another terrorist attack on America. And again, Bin Laden outright said that he did have WMDs, both suitcase nukes and bioweapons, which he threatened to use on America. But Saddam and Bin Laden seemed to have hated each other and theres no real evidence that they ever worked together.
>>18136750Cadorna is above average for a ww1 general. He rebuilt the entire italian military logistic system himself, before that it was truly a convoluted clusterfuck. If the italy of the 3rd war of indipendence went to ww1 they would've been utterly annihilated.
>>18137174Good point.I think with the use of the term 'WMD' people imagined like literal nukes or dirty bombs.So when all was found was warehouses of poisons, vats of chemicals which could be turned into mustard gas or whatever, people felt lied to.
>>18137174>Also, US Troops DID actually find WMDs (chemical weapons) stockpilles in Iraqi military bases and worked with the new Iraqi government to destroy them.They exclusively found old stock that had been built with western assistance during the Iraq-Iran conflict, I understand. Pretty much all of it having degraded or having turned inert from a lack of maintenance, at that.Shit was at the level of breaking into a storage facility for nuclear waste and claiming that you found the Dirty Bomb that was about to strike London.
>>18136691Trump was just saving up the next forever war to rescue black Christians of Nigeria.
>>18137200Exactly, its just misunderstanding of the public. When Colin Powell testified to the UN about the invasion of Iraq, he specifically mentioned chemical and bioweapon WMD's, not nukes. His testimony was that Iraq had produced chemical weapons (this is beyond doubt, they did have them and use them) AND was working with Al Qaeda to supply them with chemical weapons.
>>18137174btw, the UN security council actually agreed with Powells presentation. The controversy arose because the UN didnt authorize a military action though and the Bush admin (and dont forget the Polish) invaded Iraq anyway.
good threadThis board will be a shitstorm on September of 26
>>18134027kek
