Why did the spirit of Manifest Destiney die out?Why didn't the US keep trying to annex?
>>18159418They could have gotten more territory but decided it was too brown. Not kidding.
its in the congressional debates after the mexican American wars they literally felt as if Mexicans were subhumans so they decided to only hold onto the low population areas
>>18159426Actually, it was too Catholic. Americans were more than fine with annexing brown Natives, but Natives were "atheists" (in the minds of 19th century thinkers) and therefore ripe for conversion, but Catholics were unsavable.
>>18159426>>18159418It's density, the uninhabited area between the east and California was only kept because of california.Without California the Mexican American war would never happen and the whole western United States would never exist.
>>18159432>actually go read the congressional minutes
>>18159434Go away screenshot shizo
>>18159434>Without California the Mexican American war would never happenBut... The war was fought over the Texas border?
>>18159439Ignore him, he's a homeless crackhead who has been spamming /his/ for years.
>>18159418>why didn't right annex leftany border visible from space is a natural border
>>18159418They did keep annexing. They annexed Hawaii and the Philippines and bought Alaska.But the Americans were also isolationists. It's one thing to take land from natives who can barely fight back, or win land in a pretty decisive war against a dying imperial power in their backyard a la Spain. But the Americans also didn't want to stir shit if they didn't have to. Once the Americans reached the Pacific, they either had Canada which wasn't profitable because they'd going against Britain, their most important trading partner and who has a Navy strong enough to wreck America's shit. Or Mexico, which they didn't want because they didn't want all the Mexicans/Catholics/new slave states(insert whatever here).Overseas ventures were hit or miss. People liked Teddy's Big White Fleet but they generally didn't want to meddle in European affairs. And after the Berlin Conference, when pretty much the entire world was carved between the Great Powers, there wasn't an easy way to annex land that wouldn't step foot on some European toes.The US did engage in some joint ventures with other colonial powers though, like opening up Japan and China's Open Door policy.
>>18159418OP...Would you rather take over your Mexicans neighbors house? You all eat together, watch tv together, plan vacations together, responsible for each others appointments, share utilities, etc.Or would you rather just collect rent from them and never see or think of them ever?West chose the protection racket for the later half of the 20th century.
>>18160526You make a good point. Human rights and democracy demand that USA annex canada and as many southern countries as possible. The resulting decline in US standards of living and drain on our administrative faculties is a small price to pay for giving others access to our liberties and enlightened government.
>>18160682>human rights.Mexico has a stronger social support system than the US. American citizens near the border will cross into Mexico for healthcare.
>>18161208why isn't that happening already?
>>18159439The Mexican American war was supported by Mexicans in California that wanted to join America and also the Texas claim that initiated the war was used as a segue to the actual goal which was taking the rest.
>>18161428>The Mexican American war was supported by Mexicans in California that wanted to join America>After the war, the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo (1848) granted U.S. citizenship to Californios, but many lost land due to legal manipulation and squatter laws. hardly a "welcome" into America.lol
>>18159469But you can barely make out the Rio Grande in that pic. What you CAN make out is the Sierra Madre Oriental which makes it even more confusing why they didn't take Nuevo Leon and Tamaulipas stretching to the Yucatan
>>18161540you can clearly see US Texas comprises the vast majority of good land while Mexico proper is a rugged Afghanistan style wilderness. It comes as no surprise that the border is supposed to keep people out, America would be responsible for all who depend on its power in a just world.
Reminder that Polk was right and the world would've been a better place if they had just listened to him
>>18159418>Why didn't the US keep trying to annex?They tried in 1812 and got their butts kicked by Canada.
>>18161660Yeah that shitty desert land is west of the Sierra Madre Oriental.
>>18161982how wide is the strip of good land, 50 miles? I will measure. It's 192 miles at the widest point between monterrey and matamoros coastline. The mountains themselves are 400 miles across
>>18161997Did you even read my post? Hell are you even literate? I literally said they should have just gone down the eastern side of the Sierra Madre all the way down the east coast of Mexico to the Yucatan. Or at least pulled a Spain and just taken important port cities like Veracruz, Tampico, and of course the entirety of the Yucatan Peninsula to establish a strategic southern counterpart of Texas's Gulf of Mexico control
If the Civil War never happened the U.S.A. would stretch from Alaska to Baja contigously in the west minimum.
>>18162038It already does though?
>>18162009Has nothing to do with anything I posted. While we're attacking people's motives, you are hopelessly conflicted on this issue as you are mad. It's obvious I'll win just by being a disinterested observer whose views could change, if they were shown to be wrong. You'll always be a nationalist.
>>18159434>and California was only kept because of californiaThey didn't even get the whole part of California they wanted. They wanted the whole Californian peninsula plus the coastline of Sonora, but they chickened out at the very end.
>>18162124>contigously>baja
>>18161813>Reminder that Polk was rightHe was not the only one.https://dsl.richmond.edu/historicalatlas/94/a
>>18159418The Slave/Free state balance, in practice. Mexico is entirely below the Mason Dixon. Basically the same went for Cuba.>>18159518I mean they kept a pretty tight informal empire in the Americas, for what that's worth.
>>18162241Admittedly, there were plans underway pre-civil war to take Baja California and occupy strategic place sin Mexico. But the civil war happened before McLane Ocampo went anywhere.
>>18162038>>18162241>>18162248The Slavery Question should have been solved by the time of Independence. The Founding Fathers fucked up at not doing anything to solve it.
>>18162272I know it's a meme about slaves building or not building america, but they did contribute
>>18159432You must be a shitskin yourself if you actually believe this. Nobody "annexed" natives. They were moved onto reservations and then their land was filled with white settlers.
>>18162314>Nobody "annexed" natives. They were moved onto reservationsThe problem is that mexicans were basically spanish-speaking natives, thus you couldn't really put them on reservations, thus americans didn't want to deal with that shitshow.
>>18162235Why didn’t Senator Houston try harder
>>18162348Mexicans were forcefully repatriated and entire towns de-facto segregated. You are retarded and have no idea what you're talking about.
>>18161813Comfy borders
>>18162358The ridiculous Canadian boarder is still there and extremely uncomfy. Reeks of cowardly bureaucracy and pathetic compromise, rather than manly heroism.It’s almost liminal in the horror it invokes in all true red blooded Americans
>>18162356I was talking about why they didn't annex more land. They got away with a lot of shit, but those were in places where mexicans were very few and easy to control.But even then, it was still not 100% true. A lot of mexicans did actually integrate in american society. The whole thing about californios and tejanos is that they direct descendants from the people of those times. Plus the whole city of Santa Fe, which even retained their own language that is considered a different spanish dialect to this day.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Mexican_Spanish
>>18162360LARPers, in every definition of the word
>>18162272In fairness, it kind of looked like it would solve itself before the Cotton Gin.Though imo it self resolving would have probably just kicked the can down the road if at all.The North and the South were still by all accounts very opposed to eachother and their repective visions, slavery aside.
>>18162445There was also the issue of slaves skyrocketing in value thanks to the British slave trade ban which caused scarcity on the market which, ironically, made all slave owners to breed their own slaves to sell in the local markets, making slavery valuable again even if it was some kind of "economic bubble" in its own.The ideal situation, imho, if not for an outright ban, was to pass a law to free all the children at the third generation since independence (aka, the grandchildren of the slaves at the time). The issue would have ended more or less at the same time it did in real life but with less bloodshed.
>>18159418>manifest destiny ytpipo's version of "this was promised to us 3000 years ago" lmao
>>18162464Less “it was promised to us” and more “we’re going to kill you for this land” There was not a whining aspect to MD like there is in Zionism. MD does not care about what’s “fair according to the agreement”
>>18162472Both America and Israel could have expanded way more than their current borders, but they chose not to because internal politics.
>Invades and takes half of its territory >manipulates its political system to the point of cuckholding mexico to become a top 5 economic powerhouse more than twice (MUH MONROE DOCTRINE!, funding the revolution, CIA presidents>basically creates narco cartels by passing prohibition laws >funnels money through cartel ops>’Mexico stop sending drugs to our country!’ Despite having a record high number of consumers worldwideWTF was their problem?
>>18162816>WTF was their problem?Lack of accountability, ironically.
>>18162348>mexicans were basically spanish-speaking nativesThey werent, the case for everything North of Durango petitioning Congress to join the US was on the basis they shared more racial characteristics with the Americans than with the Indios in Mexico city.I think it was a mistake not to accept their secession from Mexico.1, they were sitting on shitloads of oil and gas that we obviously didnt know about at the time.2, a racial buffer of White Spanish settlers could have preserved the racial borders of the United States far better than what we have today.3, the US could further dominate Central America and ensure Mexico is a statelet (essentially a vassal) rather than a regional power we have to manage and pretend matters.
>>18163051>to join the US was on the basis they shared more racial characteristics with the Americans than with the Indios in Mexico cityThat could be true, but that's the issue with New World countries. Do you think people from California and Maine are similar in any kind of way outside having the same passport?>I think it was a mistake not to accept their secession from Mexico. Yeah, a buffer state probably could have been better, but I think "Yankees" didn't want to give "Dixies" any funny ideas.
>>18163294>Do you think people from California and Maine are similar in any kind of way outside having the same passport?These days? No. In the 40s? Yes, california was like 95% white
>>18162816Why do you believe Mexicans have zero agency?
>>18161428>Mexicans in California that wanted to join America
>>18162816>"The CIA is why my cousin hacked his neighbor's limbs off with a machete over a cartel feud o algo"
>>18163424They don't. Mexicans are low IQ brainlets that have to be led by their white elite.
>>18162472>Less “it was promised to us”Fucking kike that's literally what it says on documents at the time. That God "destined" them to go west. Holy fucking cope.
>>18163485At least Jews are more consistent with their ideology considering how they are the only following Judaism in the middle of a muslim sea.Americans just took land from other fellow Christians, which had no excuse.
>>18159432>more than fine with annexing brown Nativestbf there was like a grand total of like 1 native per every other square mile in the continental US, so it wasnt like they were getting a lot of populated area.
>>18159418>Why didn't the US keep trying to annex?The US had already got all the good parts, Mexico being full of Mexicans and thus not worth it. Shame we didn't get Canada though.
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>>18163863This is actually a nice pic. Quite elaborated for a map with no gradients and less than 64 colors.
>>18159418Cause they conquered all of America silly, what else would they annex?
>>18163051>north of DurangoSometimes I feel northern Mexico is more like southwestern US than southern Mexico. Especially in September. Le Mexican identity is basically Michoacan.
>>18164109>Sometimes I feel northern Mexico is more like southwestern US than southern MexicoIt is, even Southern Mexicans say that.
>>18163722>Catholics >Christian
>>18164109>>18164131You will never be American, Enrique.
>>18163863>>18163853>>18163847>>18163844Okay, and…. What?
>>18164145My guess is that you don't live in the Southwest.
>>18164257I would never willingly choose to live in a shithole
You want white women to destroy them too?
>>18164707We actually know how to control our women.
>>18164142Better than pr*testants
>>18165022south american women are THE whores of humanity
>>18165064Actually, you’re thinking of Southeast Asians
>>18159426Too catholic, too brown too poor and too unstable. The republic of the yucatan even tried to join and congress told them to fuck off lol.
>>18165122>Too catholic, too brown too poor and too unstable.That was pretty much the same shit with Louisiana and the rest of the Mexican Cession yet Americans handle it well.>The republic of the yucatan even tried to join and congress told them to fuck offThey didn't do that, more like they ignored the bill because the Mexican War was happening at the time, thus more important things were happening. When the war ended, Yucatan was already part of Mexico again.
>>18165142Less populated so less brown
>>18165210New Orleans was actually a big city at the time.
>>18159426True, they could have also annexed Cuba but chose not to, and instead preferred to kept Puerto Rico in some kind of limbo in where they are neither a state nor a country.
>>18166269With how cuba's demographics are looking, they might just petition for annexation in the next two decades or so
>>18164257I'm from the southwest and I'm telling you norteno spics that you will never be American no matter how many Mcdonalds and Starbucks you build in your shit-dust polluted ranches.
>>18166269Annexing Cuba was a long running ambition of the Southern states. Though imo I do wonder how the south would have actually handled the Saccharocracy.
>>18159418With the benefit of hindsight, the US should've pushed to link up with Alaska by annexing British Columbia and Yukon.
>>18165762Still less populated than fucking THE COUNTRY OF MEXICO, dumbfuck
>>18167176Not the whole country, but the north of Mexico, like in this pic >>18162235
Marx plagiarized. He had no useful opinions for the left at all. He opposed malthusianism, anti racism, all the lefts modern positions. He offers nothing for liberals. The mainstream left btfos itself by adopting Marx.
>>18167412And this is related to American Expansionism because?
>>18166758Why?
>>18159418It is still doing it, by proxy though. Look at how they are backing and encouraging Israel to do it.
>>18166758Might as well annex all of canada
Kinda insane that the US doesn’t own a single part of this.
>>18168254They wanted to own Panama but it was too much work for their plans.
>>18162241>I meanStop saying this.
>>18168904They'll probably go for it sometime this century
>>18168904Panama is in North America, not South America
>>18168254It does have several bases within South America. I don't think they are their legal territory like Guantanamo is though.>>18168930Why?
>>18159418Stabbed out their own eyes, became stubbornly determined not to discern any difference between the light and the dark. Doomed is what all light are who do that.
>>18168254With the Panama Canal it became kind of pointless to bother holding anything further south. The canal facilitates sea trade between the Atlantic and Pacific without having to skirt around all of South America. The Canal is much closer to the USA and easier to protect as a vital trade route.
>>18163847What the fuck is wrong with Mississippi
>>18169679>Why?I can't really give a good objective explanation of why this, of all verbal viruses, rustles my jimmies the way that it does, but it's unnecessary and just sounds effeminate and smarmy. It especially makes no sense to type it out in text.
>>18159418there's nothing in northern mexico worth taking. go look at a map of mexico, it's all fucking desert until you hit mexico city
>>18159437>>18159439>>18159447the crackhead schizo is right. one of the big reasons for the mexican American war was to secure ports on the pacific ocean. Polk literally set securing the california harbors as one of his policy goals and I don't want to say he started the war, but he did the FDR thing and knowingly and intentionally let the war start, like how FDR knew about pearl harbor before the attack.
>>18170329Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
>>18170360GDP is a retarded unit of measurement and any GDP in those nothern mexican areas comes from proximity to the US border
>>18170365So it’s almost like it doesn’t matter if there’s “nothing there” it would’ve been improved by just becoming American soil
>>18170360>Northern states (sans Nuevo León for a very specific reason) have larger economies because they off parasitize the United States.>Which demonstrates they are valuable on their own and the U.S should have annexed them.Airtight argument.
>>18170392What’s wrong with Leon?
>>18170382it's literally desert. the only reasons there are jobs there is because the US border is there and there are like nafta/tourism jobs related to crossing the boarder to drink or build components in factories for $0.05 a day. Like mossberg has a factory in eagle pass and a second factory right across the river to take advantage of the lack of mexican minimum wage laws
>>18170395Nothing wrong with it. It just has the Sizeable GDP it has because Monterey is in it. Mexico's (and most Latin American countries for that matter) economy orbits around a few large cities and everything else may as well be Mars.
>>18170399>>18170406>economy orbits around a few large cities and everything else may as well be MarsSo the same shit as Southwest America?
>>18170967The difference is that while the Southwest had three people in it, the Latin American countryside is actually populated. Just poor as shit.
>>18170971>the Latin American countryside is actually populatedNah, or at least not in Mexico. The countryside sucks ass, there are no basic services and you are at risk of narcoviolence with no police/military station in sight.
>>18170986I never implied it wasn't a shithole. I just said that peopled lived there. Which they do.
>>18169521The limits of the continents are completely arbitrary and made up. Americans consider anything south of the Rio Grande to be 'South America'
It got a president McKinley assassinated
>>18163051>the case for everything North of Durango petitioning Congress to join the US>>18165122>The republic of the yucatan even tried to join and congress told them to fuck off lol. Source for the claim that Mexican states petitioned congress to join America? Chatgpt denies it.
>>18171419>Implying the plates aren't completely objective.>Not knowing that you live on the continent of Juan de Fuca
>>18171594For me it's Cocos Plate.
Because the war had going on for 2 and a half years (american public thought it would last some months). There were many dead american soldiers & most importantly, there were guerilla fighting forming up, and that would had meant sending a bigger army (more deaths).As a matter of fact, it was the mexican elite that hastened US victory since they were scared as fuck about a low class revolt against the invaders & against the elites
>>18171419>The limits of the continents are completely arbitrary….are you trying to imply that the limits between America and Asia are arbitrary?
>>18172065India Plate mogs all others with that mountain range
Absolutely insane that this wasn't included in the treaty
>>18172797Are there even any good ports there? mexicans only moved there because they were worried about the US taking it
>>18172806Ensenada Is one of Mexico’s busiest and most important ports for Pacific trade
>>18172806Cabo would have been the main base of NASA instead of Cape Canaveral considering it's a way better location for launching rockets.
>>18172797Baja California was hard to access by land, even from the north, so the way to get there used to be from the ports of Sonora and Sinaloa. So unless the US had demanded those states too, they wouldnt be able to control the whole of it
>>18173078Cabo's on the wrong coast. There's the obvious no one was thinking about rockets in the 1840s. Cabo would only be a good launching point if you wanted to launch over the poles like Vandenberg which never got used. If you want to launch and not go over the poles you have to launch going east so you can add the rotation of the earth to your launch velo. it's why the ESA cucks launch from south america instead of yurop
>>18173096>If you want to launch and not go over the poles you have to launch going eastSo? What's the problem then? Unless you think Earth is flat you could also launch from Cabo following the rotation of the planet.And the other advantage Cabo has over Canaveral would be being closer to the equator line, which it was the same reason of why French Guiana is chosen as the main base of the EU.
>>18173195if you launch east from cabo you end up flying over mexico. no one ever launched a manned polar orbit until 2025. the yurocucks use south america so they can launch east over the ocean
>>18173088Why not use the ports in California proper?
>>18170290Due to the tropical climate and abundance of food, they never needed to develop civilization.
>>18173668It's all mountains and deserts and shit. the only reason anyone even lives in washington, oregon and california is because we needed Pacific seaports
>>18173195Diga el nombre completo, carajo. Cabo Cañaveral (Florida), Cabo San Lucas, San José del Cabo, o simplemente los Cabos (Baja California Sur).Also, it's 6° closer, not sure how much that affects launches. Yucatan isn't much closer, either. Funny how one is a desert and the other is a jungle.
>>18173755Nah, the coast of all 3 is prime settlement area, good soil, good climate, really it's an island of good land surrounded to the south and east by deserts and mountains and north by tundra
>>18163294>Do you think people from California and Maine are similar in any kind of way outside having the same passport?yeah, up until the White genocide in California they had a similar HDI to those in Maine, in addition to shared religious beliefs, shared political ideas, and similar rates of political participation.>>18164109There was a time when North Mexico was a White people region.>>18171574ChatGPT is retarded. They held a referendum in Mexico and sent it to the US Army to send to the Congress and White House.The US ignored them.
>>18173802>baja california>tundra
>>18166322Cuba will have close to 0 inhabitants by the end of the century. Their demographic collapse makes East Asia and Eastern Europe look like Central Africa by comparison.
>>18173820>surrounded... to the north by tundra>baja californiaAnon are you retarded
>>18173920you're the one who made the claim, retardo
>>18159418The US should- Incorporate Baja California as a new state- Annexe The Bahamas to Florida- Promote Puerto Rico to statehood
>>18159418this channel fucking sucks
>>18174137PR doesn’t want to be a state
>>18173790>Funny how one is a desert and the other is a jungle.Mountains man, they’re fucking weird
>>18174137PR shouldn't get statehood until it's 85% white and republican
>>18175122So never?
>>18173836They’ll give it over to China before anyone else
>>18175122PR only still exists as a de facto colony so the mainland can get cheap inmigrants
>>18159426Why not just kick the browns out?
>>18175845immigrants are bad
>>18175371Doesn’t change much, considering that by the end of the century China will have around a quarter to a third of it’s current population, and said population will be overwhelmingly geriatric.
>>18174805Yes, they do.
>>18174137Guam deserve to be a state over Puerto Rico, if any.
>>18176167Then why do they keep voting against it?
>>18174805I don't care>>18176172Too few people to warrant it, I'm afraid. Even Wyoming has 5x as many and nobody lives in Wyoming.
>>18176484They don't, they always vote for it, but the american government never approves these kind of polls because "reasons", usually arguing lack of participation. Which is retarded, because who the fuck will participate in a poll with no official status expecting to work as a referendum? People are starting to get tired of the american bureaucracy.
The issue is that 51/52/53-stars flags suck ass. They would need to add 4 new states for the 54-stars flag, which is the next one that looks good.
>>18172797This was what the United States wanted to buy from Mexico after the war.
>>18159418Because Anglo-French cock put an end to it. The British in Canada and to this day France launches rockets from Guiana making a mockery of the so-called Monroe doctrine.
