Just read the Qur'an... I think I'm Muslim...
Said no one ever>t. abdul muhammad al karachi
>>18167209Many such cases. When I quit Christianity I opened the Quran on a lark and was shocked to find just a book of laws and a LOT of copy-pasted Old Testament. 99% of what people say is in the Quran simply isn't there, they're just making up fantasies in their heads. It was really enlightening. I consider myself a quranist now (no Hadiths for me, I don't need to follow that weirdo brownskin Muhammad's personal diary).
>>18167236>99% of what people say is in the Quran simply isn't there, they're just making up fantasies in their headssuch as?
>>18167209It was the Zutting that convinced, wasn't it?
>>18167209koran is a pile of poop only good for burning
>>18167243Taqiyya for instance. Most people think all Muslims will lie about being Muslim just to get elected to the city council or whatever. That's not how it works and it's not in the Quran.
Drop the ack, AbdulNo one's converting to Zuttlam
>>18167209Really? You can read Arabic?The Bible is still the Bible when translated. However, the Qu'ran is only the Qu'ran in the original language, anything else is considered just a translation not the actual book.
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>>18167236Yeah most hadiths should be taken with a grain of salt at best, some really retartdded nonsensical stuff like needing to eat with your right hand only and music being Haram "because... Because it just is ok!?"
>>18167586The question is, why would you take some but reject the othersThey are all apocryphasNot one is canon. And yet, some are treated as equal to the Quran
>>18167209Welcome to the club
>>18167586>>18167650I reject and denounce all hadiths and so should every Muslim in the World
>>18167209It's simple. I quite like it. I don't believe in converting but Muslims have my respect. Definitely the last remaining truly traditional and monotheistic religion
>>18167282>>18167243This is a perfect example of taqiyya, because taqiyya is in the Quran.16:106Whoever has disbelieved in Allah even after his belief excepting him who has been compelled and his heart is (still) composed with belief-but whoever has his breast expanded in disbelief, then upon them is anger from Allah and they will have a tremendous torment3:28The believers should not take unbelievers as protectors in preference to believers. Anyone who does that will completely isolate himself from God unless you are seeking to protect your selves from them. God warns you to beware of Him. God is our ultimate destination.Muslims are literally only able to lie and never state the truth on ANY topic. It's like some force physically prevents them from ever being truthful to any extent. Truly a satanic religion.On the contrary the more you study the Quran, the more you realize it is ALWAYS ambiguous enough to leave the door open to the most abominable interpretations you can imagine. It's designed that way.>>18167209So you have brain damage and will fold if any ideology presents a simple enough front for you. Got it. Notice how you didn't provide even the shadow of an argument in favor of the Quran being "true".
zutt'd itt
same queen muhammed was the first true LGBT ally truly a pioneer good gurls get zutted
The chapter where Muhammad (ZUTT BE UPON HIM) has his moon split is particularly beautiful
>>18168167This isn’t taqqiya, this is literally God telling muslims that you haven’t sinned if you pretend you aren’t Muslim to save yourself from death.
>>18168493tell that to shia muslims
>>18167209Kek. I can't imagine how low your IQ must be for this to actually happen.
>>18168493Literally nowhere is the condition of "it needs to be a direct threat of death" ever specified in those verses and you KNOW you're lying. As I said, you are physically incapable of being truthful on any topic related to islam.Isn't it funny how Allah puts a seal of dishonesty on muslims' hearts, and then tells them the non-muslims have a seal on their hearts? It's peak projection.
>>18168562Being unironically attracted to islam is caused either by low IQ, or being a sperg who believes too easily in people's sincere motives and is incapable of detecting untrustworthy persons.
>>18168682I dunno, I know some very smart people who have fallen into "submission." Paul from BloggingTheology is a very well spoken white Brit who is devoted to Islam, and he seems pretty intelligent. Could just be the accent fooling me. You don't have to be dumb to make "wrong" decisions, particularly in politics and religion.
>>18167236Rejections of the Hadiths and the rise of Quranism can only grown now that thanks to the internet ridicolous and silly hadiths like the infamous al-Zutt one are being translated and shared around
>>18168056Based Pakibro
>>18168674Did an arab fuck your girlfriend or something?
>>18167236https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith_sciencesmoron
>>18168056Then you also reject and denounce 60% of Islamic traditionSalatHajjZakatAqiqahSabrAll gone
>>18168674>calling me dishonestYou’re being a shitstain and intellectually dishonest the verse clearly says “who has been compelled”, which can easily mean death and threat of death or abuse. Kys
>>18168910Hajj is in the Qur'an, but I agree, rejecting the sunnah and hadiths is silly.
>>18168945compelled includes, but is not moral duress.And the quran is inherently vague and up for interpretation, what with the translation issues.
>>18169120*mortal not moral
>>18167209Grand age of ZUTT!! (Feel free to say brown supremacy. Let's hear it).
>>18168167>breast expandedL-lewd
>>18167332??? but theres lots of non-arabic words in the quran and some that are a total mystery
>>18168769that guys a retard>Could just be the accent fooling meyeah he comes off as if he should know better
>>18168910Jesus taught us how to pray and to Quran confirms the Bible so thats how you pray
>>18169434Bible says that the Quran is false
>>18168506>tell that to shia muslimsthese guys live amongst headchoppers. They get suicide bombed all the time
>>18167209Enjoy burning.
>>18169662the quran says you'll be the ones burningcheckmate
>>18167209Muslims don't read, they worship a cube five times s day, fuck goats, and marry their first cousins.
Alright my Muslim friends, tell me about Sufi Islam. I want to dive into direct experience of God.
>>18169675none of this is permitted in Quran
>>18169685Muslims don't read so they wouldn't know.
>>18169687Most Christians haven't read the Bible, the same is not true for Muslims and the Qur'an.
>>18169683Picrel should be a good intro. Best wishes.
>>18169690Muhammad himself technically never read the quran because he was illiterate, checkmate
>>18169690Most Christians are retarded devil worshipers that exalt christ killers.
>>18169690>the same is not true for Muslims and the Qur'an.Yes it is. Most Muslims can't even read Arabic and translations of the Quran are forbidden. Most Muslims don't even know what the fuck is in the Quran because they can't read it. At least Christians can pull up a translation at any time and start reading.
>>18169696Ahhh, okay, so I'm already a Sufi.Sweet, love being spiritually enlightened. That's how you know em.
>>18169713Where do you get the idea that translations are forbidden? My translated Qur'an was approved by Al-Azhar University.Also, Muslims memorize phrases in Arabic along with what they mean, but that doesn't stop them from also reading translations.
>>18168167Example #3,593 of using Shia psychos as a stand in for the vast Muslim majority who do not believe in lying everYou probably think all Muslims worship the Ayatollah tooYou probably don't know what a Shia even is, mutt
>>18169723>Where do you get the idea that translations are forbidden?Muslims. This is what I've been told whenever I've argued with them about the reliability of the Quran.>Muslims memorize phrases in Arabic along with what they meanSome may, most don't.
>>18169747Well they're wrong and probably already speak Arabic anyways. The Arabic version is the most authentic but reading translations is valid.>Some may, most don'tOf course they memorize what they mean, the fuck? It's not like it's hard, they're just a few sentences.
>>18169747Translations of the Quran aren't considered Qurans technically, but rather tafsirs (explanations). The reason being is that once you translate or try to explain it, it isn't God's word.
>>18168910>SalatIn the Quran. 3 times a day. Quranists aren't the only ones who do this. Nizaris do too. Early Muslims also didn't all do 5 times a day. Even hadith agrees with this.https://sunnah.com/bukhari/64/163>HajjIn the Quran. 3:97>AqiqahNot obligatory. The Quran, and thus God's command, is still complete without it. Hanifa also thought it best to call it illegitimate as to avoid doing similar things as the pagans, so even some hadith followers don't practice it.>SabrIn the Quran.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AcademicQuran/wiki/talmudparallels/
https://www.youtube.com/@ExploringtheQuranandtheBible/videos
I could never see the appeal of islam, also the fact they hate figurative art and music is a deal breaker for me. would fuck a hijabi ho though.To me jesus is just an infinitely more interesting being than Muhammed the pedo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYlgihQFPrg
>>18169929>hate artOnly really strict ones really hate art in the casual settings. Most Muslims just understand it's not appropriate in the mosque or in religious contexts, except for Shiites, who have plenty of religious artworks of figures.>hate musicThis again is only really the case for the really strict ones, and again only applies to religious contexts for most Muslims, except for those who accept or tolerate religious music as in the case of many Sufi practices.
>>18169929Only some fiqhs are against art and music doe. And Aisha was 19 when she married Muhammad according to some sources (and Shia)
>>18169938>>18169942Muslims who keep even one image of a living creature in their homes clearly demonstrate disbelief in (and disobedience to) many of the hadiths in Sahih al-Bukhari, and therefore disbelief in the entire Sunni tradition, which is built on the hadiths of al-Bukhari. Anyone who rejects the hadiths is a kafir, according to the generally accepted opinion of Sunni scholars.https://sunnah.com/muslim:2105https://sunnah.com/bukhari:3322https://sunnah.com/bukhari:3225https://sunnah.com/bukhari:3351https://sunnah.com/bukhari:5181https://sunnah.com/bukhari:5949https://sunnah.com/bukhari:5957https://sunnah.com/bukhari:5958The rich history of Islamic art only demonstrates the extent of disregard for the commandments of Muhammad among Muslims.
>>18169963These are mostly against status, drawings for example are generally disliked but not inherently prohibited. The less life-like the better. The Malilhi madhab has no issues at all with digital drawings.
>>18170713*Maliki
>>18170713>but not inherently prohibitedcontradicts the hadiths
>>18171031No, it doesn't, those refer to graven images.
>>18171035True. Some hadiths explicitly give exception for images on woven things like cloth.
Reject hadiths. Embrace Quranism.
>>18169690I seriusly doubt most muslims have the avanced knowledge in classical arabic to ready the Quran, when a lot of their countries have litteracy issues . Most of them read ditranslations, IE not the true Quran according to Islam
>>18169938>Shitte artDosent count. You know full well militan sunnis, especially Wahhabis (the form of Islam shilled every by the petrodollars) destroys any image or statue they can find, religious or not
>>18171035No. Reread the hadiths.
>>18171257Most Muslims aren't even Arabs. Only about 20% are. Even the ones who are Arabs natively speak a dialect which is significantly different than Classical Arabic.So it's safe to say most Muslims are relying on tafsirs and translations to fully understand even if they're well-versed in MSA.
>>18171087>Some hadithsWhich ones exactly?
>>18167236So you pray three times a day?
>>18171295A real muslim would at least be in the process of learning classical arabic to be able to fully understand the quran, most muslims today are just posers
>>18171299Shia are allowed to pray 3 times a day too (combining prayers). It's not that uncommon.
>>18167229OP just said it liar
>>18171249I know more quran than hadith i think but im not sure. The quran is special in an amazing way.
>>18171293They do. Cope.
>>18167209>I think I'm Muslim...neck yourself
>>18172128Why?
>>18172136He allowed jews to convince him that Muslims are the ones poisoning his food, turning his son trans and his daughter butch, pushing pornography in every media outlet, putting furries in the military and classrooms, and buying off politicians. And he believed them.
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>>18167209What convinced you? Was it the 99th repetition or the 100th repetition of the story of Aaron and Moses before the Pharaoh?
>>18168769>Paul from BloggingTheology is a very well spoken white BritHe lies all the fucking time (like all muslims), is a literal self-hating faggot, and has a disgusting face and voice that makes me unable to listen to him for a split second. Find a better example.
>>18173251It was that time when Allah allowed Muh to marry any woman he likes, and his first cousins as well.
>>18168945There you have it. The muslim liar, knowing he's been found out, pathetically attempts to insist he's right, and lashes out in anger. All muslims are liars, or ignorant. There is no third possibility.
>>18171466This cursed book consistently produces the worst societies on planet Earth (with the sole of exception of India).inb4 no true scotsman
>>18169685You did not even pretend to have read the post, cousin fucker.
>>18167209If Judaism is an animal you eat, Christianity is the digestion and energy you get from it, and Islam is the shit that comes out.
>>18167209do you pray 4 times a day turned to Mecca? if not, then you're no Muslim. but I have good news for you: the Quran is the Word of God, like the Vedas, so it is a universal Sacred Scripture, that belongs to all Mankind, not only to Muslims. the same can be said about the Bhagavad Gitahttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvctceCTQG8LMSWNsKx1otfLUw0N_Jysxactually, the Gita is the only Sacred Scripture you really need to learn (read, comprehend, put in practice and experience)
>>18167209I grew up in a Muslim household. I like Islam but the historical Muhammad seemed to be a revolutionary who advocated for the merging of the priest and warrior class and death to the concept of passivity and textual understanding as the path to connection with God. Both Sunni and Shia in the modern day basically depend on rabbis and despite agreeing with Islam metaphysically the nonsense that stems from hadiths and lack of a guide makes it the same as Judaism and Christianity now.
>>18173611>it is a universal Sacred Scripture, that belongs to all MankindMankind rejects the Quran, which is the vilest, most anti-human scripture ever inspired by devils. The few traitors to humanity that enjoy that glorified toilet paper do not matter.
>>18173616>advocated for the merging of the priest and warrior classThat's an anthropologically terrible idea, which explains the violence and inefficiency of muslim nations.>death to the concept of passivityMuslims are some of the most passive people ever, because nothing matters in this life and ignorance is glorified by islam.
>>18173643>Islam is violent while also saying Islam is passiveYou are actually retarded. Guided violence and desire to preserve itself is the thing that makes Islam actually functional compared to Judaism or Christianity. If they had something like the Taliban I'd respect them more.
>>18173640>fewIt is the second largest religion in the world and fast approaching the first.
>>18171812So, you're declaring those Islamic scholars who believed these hadiths forbid any images of living beings to be liars and distorters of Islam?Either you're right, or they are. Otherwise, Shariah is simply something ephemeral and vague, something that cannot provide clear and understandable rules for various aspects of human life.
>>18174213They have always forbidden graven images, and there have been cartoons aired in Muslim countries for decades as well as Islamic historical art. It really depends a lot on context which you can't grasp.
>>18174220Cope.
>>18174242Lmao you're the one coping, I gave actual examples of Muslims being fine with art.
>>18174253>I gave actual examples of Muslims being fine with artThey violated Shariah. You ran away from the questions asked.
>>18167209What I wouldn't give for jeets to stop spamming pisslam shill threads in my white supremacist anime board
>>18174296How did they violate Sharia when it is obviously near universally agreed that it refers to graven images, except to retards like the Taliban? Are you saying every major Muslim country deliberately violated Sharia? Lol, lmao.
>>18174324>Are you saying every major Muslim country deliberately violated Sharia?Whether or not countries comply with Shariah law is irrelevant to the question. The Ottomans and their ulema permitted alcohol and hashish, but this doesn't mean it follows from the Quran and hadith.Let's get to the point. Either Shariah law absolutely prohibits any images of living beings, or the sheikhs who offer such a maximalist interpretation are liars and distorters of Islam. Choose between the two. There's a third option, according to which Sharia law is fundamentally unrealistic and simply a construct in the minds of Muslims—hence the contradictions between madhhabs and between scholarly opinions.
>>18174336>Let's get to the point. Either Shariah law absolutely prohibits any images of living beings, or the sheikhs who offer such a maximalist interpretation are liars and distorters of Islam. Choose between the two.There is a middle way which I've already explained. It prohibits graven images, and the maximalist interpretations are wrong (most madhhabs agree with this one).
Read hadiths = leave IslamRead Quran = embrace IslamMakes grug think
>>18174352>Read Quran = leave IslamFixed.I was a quranist for years, it was only when I started really studying it, that I was compelled to notice all the glaring errors and blatant lack of actual guidance on any topic whatsoever.
>>18173679Most of them are ignorant and don't even know the actual contents of the religion, and have never been seriously exposed to other points of view. They are victims and not traitors. Unlike you.
>>18173678No, those are the things the make islam dysfunctional and insure that every islamic country will become either a complete shithole, a dictatorship, or both(the more usual)
>>18173678Yeah, they're passive except in destruction, you are slowly starting to understand the issue.>islam>functionalHave you missed the part where every muslim country and muslim family is blatantly dysfunctional as hell?
>>18174253If Muslims are fine with art, why do they never make great art? Where are the muslim waltzes, the muslim novels, the muslim movies? Muslim art always sucks, except when others make it for them (like for a few old mosques). Muslim art always sucks because muslim conscience is stuck at "I must not think wrong thoughts and can't into complexity". You are destroyers, not makers. That is your purpose embedded in you by the religion you've chosen.
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>>18174488Eh, looks like a blur.It reminds me of the stating coming from the tv when you tune to a dead channel.
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>>18174533That looks even worse. Looks like something straight out of a Lovecraft novel.
>>18174533
>>18174541You have shit taste, man. It's objectively beautiful.
>>18174542This looks better, although it still looks like shit plastered all over the walls.>>18174545>beauty>objectiveLolI favor minimalism myself. To each their own.
>>18174551Just say you're an Evangelical without a sense of beauty in architecture.
>>18174553I'm an atheist.
>>18174557That makes sense too.
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>>18174562Why is Islamic architecture so gaudy? Have they never come across the idea that less is more?
>>18174567Name one minimalist cathedral that doesn't look like shit.
>>18174573Why a cathedral specifically? I don't know many Cathedrals with a minimalist architecture. Although I do like Baroque architecture, they do know how to go all out with endless details. Not Islamic architects, they always end up looking half-assed.
>>18174577No examples provided.>they do know how to go all out with endless detailsOh, you have none.
>>18174595>No examples provided.Yeah, because I don't know any.>Oh, you have none.That's what I just said.Show me some minimalistic mosques. C'mon.
>>18174601I never claimed to prefer minimalism. I do find it funny though that you like baroque because they have so much detail yet complain when it's on a mosque. Whatever.
>>18174603>I never claimed to prefer minimalism.I never said that you did? I do. So, show'em.>I do find it funny though that you like baroque because they have so much detail yet complain when it's on a mosque. I like baroque because I consider it at the exact opposite of minimalism. They don't half-ass it, they go all out, which I can appreciate. Islamic arquitecture just seems to be in the middle, not embracing gaudiness.
>>18174605This is just cope for the fact that you can't name a single minimalist one. Now you're moving the goalpost.And I don't know any minimalist mosques, never claimed to like minimalism, and never implied religious institutions should embrace minimalism.
>>18174614>This is just cope for the fact that you can't name a single minimalist one.A minimalist cathedral? No, I can't. And I don't care much about cathedrals anyway. I'm an atheist remember. So now show me some cool minimalist mosques.>And I don't know any minimalist mosquesYou wasted my time.
>>18174623Too bad.
>>18167209its a boring book
>>18174683It isn't really. It feels like God is talking directly to you when you read it.
>>18174687You can read Arabic? If you can't, you haven't read the Qu'ran. It's only in Arabic everything else is a translation and not the real thing.
>>18174928>You can read Arabic?Yes.>everything else is a translation and not the real thing.It's still worth reading a good translation with tafsir of you can't read Arabic. But you should strive to learn it still.
>>18174966Read it, really liked the parts about beating your wife and the extremely boring parts about inheritance.
>>18174970According to my Qur'an's tafsir:>Disciplining one’s wife gently is the final resort. The earliest commentators understood that this was to be light enough not to leave a mark, should be done with nothing bigger than a tooth stick, and should not be on the face. Prophet Muḥammad (ﷺ) said to his companions “Do not beat the female servants of Allah.” He said that honourable husbands do not beat their wives, and he himself never hit a woman or a servant. If a woman feels her husband is ill-behaved, then she can get help from her guardian or seek divorce.
>>18174987>explain away the problematic parts through taqiyya Ok I will beat my wife with a toothpick. I'm sure that's what they had in mind when they wrote it. It's okay to beat your wife if you don't leave marks.Btw have you stopped beating your wife?
>>18175002>only hearing what he wants to hearno point in continuing
>>18175002Taqqiya is only for when under threat of death. kys
>>18175009Ummm ACKSHUALLY my commentary totally contradicts the text and explains it away so it isn't an issue.
>>18175015NTA but it doesn't contradict anything
>>18175015>contradicts the textclarifies the translation*no idea how monolingual retards like you still lurk on /his/ with 0 understanding of the shortfalls of translations and expect them to be a literal understanding of the text.
>>18175041>politician: Kill the rich!>commentator: he actually means he wants to increase taxes on the wealthy>anon: I see no contradiction
>>18175044That's literally often true though when it comes to political slogans or rhetoric. Are you telling me that pic related literally wants people to eat babies?
>>18174346>There is a middle way which I've already explainedThe middle way is the recognition of the imperfections and ambiguities of Islam.>most madhhabs agree with this oneCite the opinions of the leading scholars of three of the four madhhabs (if you're talking about the majority of madhhabs) that permit the depiction of living beings in paintings.
>>18174488>>18174533>>18174542There are no images of living creatures. Because Muhammad claimed that angels do not enter a room where there are such images >>18169963Don't Muslims expect angels in their homes? How many illustrated books do you have?
>>18175110>is that a picture of a cat???? I am not allowed to be here!
>>18175110>>18175905Maliki Madhhab>Generally considered the most lenient on drawings:>Classical Malikis differentiated strongly between 3-D statues (usually forbidden) and 2-D images (generally allowed).>Drawings are allowed if they are not used for shirk, not displayed in a reverential way, and are not obscene.>Many Maliki scholars openly allow art, illustrations, and even realistic images.Hanafi Madhhab>Allows non-sacred, non-idolized drawings, especially when:>The image is 2-dimensional (e.g., drawings, photos).>It does not contain complete, living beings (e.g., missing head or essential organs).>It does not involve worship, glorification, or hang in places of honor.Shafi‘i Madhhab>Traditionally more restrictive, but still:>Strongly forbids 3-D images of living beings.>Permits 2-D images in many cases if they are not objects of veneration.>Many contemporary Shafi‘i jurists permit photography and non-idolizing drawings.Hanbali Madhhab>Classically the most cautious:>Most classical Hanbalis prohibit realistic depictions of humans/animals, even 2-D.>Permitted:>Non-realistic drawings>Images missing essential features>Non-living forms (plants, landscapes, patterns)>Contemporary Hanbali (including many Saudi) scholars allow photography and sometimes non-idolatrous drawings, but many still discourage realistic images.And lastly, the Ja‘fari (Shia) Madhhab>Generally permits drawings and photography, including realistic images, provided:>No idolatry is involved.>No obscene or immoral content.>No disrespect to religious figures.>Shia jurisprudence is generally more permissive on artistic representation than Sunni madhhabs.The only one with serious restrictions is the Hanafi school, which requires removing parts of the body. That's it. Checkmate.
>>18174567That's Persian architecture. Not all Islamic architecture is like that.
>>18174373>Where are the muslim waltzes, the muslim novels, the muslim movies?Waltzes are a western art form. It's like asking why Germany never made manga. There's Islamic music. The novel was never popular in Muslim countries and poetry was always considered superior to prose. There's 1400 years of poetry in Arabic and 1000 years in Persian.Movies? lol. Iranian cinema is fantastic and highly praised by cinephiles.
>>18176029>Movies? lol. Iranian cinema is fantastic and highly praised by cinephiles.Any recommendations?
>>18174373>muslim moviesI don't know much myself, but I do know of one that's like a Muhammad version of a Jesus movie (pic related).
>>18176083A Hero, A Separation, About Elly for minimalist, realistic portrayals of modern Iranian society / family which is what Iran is best known for.Holy Spider was produced outside Iran but is kino so deserves a mention.
>>18176098Have you seen it? I have and it's pretty cringe, and it "conveniently" skips over a ton of embarrassing facts of the sunnah.>>18176029Arabic poetry, like the rest of islamic culture, is glorified gay smut.
>>18176344I NEED to write a paean to th sultan's handsome cupbearer, kuffar
>>18174687Ever noticed how muslims appeal to their emotion as their only "proof" of islam?>It feels like God is talking directly to youIt literally doesn't. It feels like a narcissist is trying to brainwash you into hating your fellow human beings, and that's what happens with retards like you who hate humanity. You've found a "God" to your taste, suited to your level of moral degradation.
>>18176363I never claimed it was a proof for Islam, retard, I said it wasn't boring. There are many proofs for Islam.
>>18176447Please share them. If there are indeed proofs, any rational man would embrace Islam no?
>>18176528Just look it up yourself lol.
>>18176533I did and they were not convincing. Sorry bro, your religion is not "proven"
>>18176543Enjoy burning.
>>18176623What if you're wrong though?
>>18167209read hadith, mo is a pedophile
>>18168842>AL-JOOBULL BIN MAKMOOT SAID THAT MOST HADITH IN BOOKINI AND SPOOLINI ARE SANGRIA-ISHATTIE.PLEASE READ UP ON DAOOF HADOOFDOOF DOOF>science
>>18167209stick to re-reading and don't get into the communal footsnifing. save yourself years of disappointment
>>18176630I'm not.>>18177125Aisha was lying to seem more pure/important. Simple as. She was probably 19 when she married, according to historical sources.
