Why does paganism exalt nudity, sensuality and eroticism while abrahamism abhors them?
Abrahamic religions originally come from the Near Eastern countries, which have lots of hyper-dry, sandy deserts. Have you ever been in the middle of a sandstorm, or even just outside in a really dry day in a desert? It ain't nice. There's sand and dust flying everywhere, which can easily get in your eyes, your legs. Sand, when blowing at very high speeds, can become highly abrasive, which is why it's used for sand-blasting. Imagine exposing your penis or your nipples outside in the 110°F (44°C) weather with the scorching hot sun burning and fucktons of red or yellow-colored all around you.It ain't nice.
>>18169167Because European Paganism, the various kinds, Celtic/Germanic(Norse)/Slavic/Romuva/etc do not generally seem to hate chicks as much as the three Abraham religions do
The ancient Greeks made women wear veils and totally excluded them from anything but the home so I'm gonna go with a no on that one.
>>18169167>Why does paganismNo such religion. The thread is based on false premises.Some of the Abrahamic attitudes to sexuality have to do with STDs. Those stories where they spare only virgins are because STDs were so widespread that being free of disease was near synonymous with virginity. Virgins were highly valued because they couldn't make their husband sick with a chronic or even eventually life threatening disease.
>>18169167Because Pagan gods are all just demons in disguise. Hence, the constant perversion of God's gift of life, and the authority to partake in the creation of lifeEvery single non-Christain religion practices ritualistic suicide, holy prostitutes, and human sacrifices precisely because they want you to defile God's image.
>Abrahamic religions originally come from the Near Eastern countries, which have lots of hyper-dry, sandy deserts.Have you ever been in the middle of a sandstorm, or even just outside in a really dry day in a desert? It ain't nice.There's sand and dust flying everywhere, which can easily get in your eyes, your legs.Sand, when blowing at very high speeds, can become highly abrasive, which is why it's used for sand-blasting. Imagine exposing your penis or your nipples outside in the 110°F (44°C) weather with the scorching hot sun burning and fucktons of red or yellow-colored all around you.It ain't nice.
>>18169252Claiming that they're just demons in disguise fails to account for varieties of beliefs in non-Abrahamic religions. Why is Taoism so different from Hinduism? Why is Hinduism so different from Australian Aboriginal Dreamtime?
>>18169167Semitic peoples were obsessed, both anciently and still are today, with ritual purity. They assigned nudity, sexuality, and anything relating to this to the "impure" category and kept it as separate from and viewed it negatively. This took on greater dimensions with the advent of Christianity especially after Augustine, who was a Gnostic dualist who brought his previously-held anti-material beliefs with him when he converted alongside deep neuroses over his own degeneracy.
>>18169261Different roads, same destinationTao, Hindu, Shinto, Buddhism, and Confucianism had many many cases of ritualistic infanticide, cannibalism, human sacrifices, and suicide. All portrayed as virtuous actsChina had entire bandit gangs roaming around the countryside abducting girls and women because towns used them as sacrifices. They were said to gouge out their eyes, cut their nose, their ears, and their limbs, before presenting them to their gods. And this was already at 16-1700'sHuman sacrifices did not officially end until Brits got to themTo this day, they are still sacrificing babies. As aborted fetuses are sold off at a high price and turned into pillsFuck thatWorship the one true God and no one else
>>18169324Firstborn children were originally sacrificed to Yahweh as molech offerings (whole burnt offerings). Now fuck off back to church in Mexico where you belong.
>>18169324Your god is an elevated storm deity and you follow an apocalyptic preacher whose prophecies never came to pass.
>>18169364Our God is Jesus
>>18169324You're going to the same Hell as the people you are (rightly) condemning, by the way.>>18169167Because the Lord wants what's best for us.
oooowee, not again!
>>18169167most likely just a modernist romanticist or feminist larpagan interpretationin actuality, greeks and romans were prudes
>>18169486Have fun burning.
>>18169489>greeks and romans were prudesKek, noPublic Decency laws were made because St. Paul kept on raging about how indecent the Romans wereProstitutes are completely bare naked in the streets, and they are all over the goddamn place. The best place for a prostitute is right inside the Colosseum, where they would have sex with the men right after a good show. All right in front of all the people
>>18169508Already have that one. Doesn't your guy tell you to try to save lost souls, btw?
>>18169530still not as degenerate as modern-day los angeles
>>18169531God hates you. Those flames just got hotter.
>>18169167>paganism exalts nudity, sensuality and eroticismWhat is "paganism" to you? Btw, christianity isn't against sex, but expects that you be committed in marriage for you and your future children's own good first.
>>18169167Are you a pagan? If not, why bother asking this question? This thread seems like it would probably be a waste of time.
>>18169539hahaha holy shit, you're not even good at being a christian. What does the bible say about loving thy neighbor?
>>18169562Those flames just got hotter. Keep going, this is great!
>>18169575>can't even quote the bibleIt's crazy how all the non-christians I know wind up knowing more about the bible than any christian lmao.
>>18169597At least 5 sins in one post. This is great! You're so fucked. Keep going!
>>18169602Name the sins :^)If you want people to go to hell, doesn't that make you a satanist? (I don't actually expect an answer, I just want you to keep rejecting Jesus and the bible in front of the whole board)
>>18169608Take your meds. Or don't, either way works for me! Keep going. Christ hates you.
>>18169612So that's a yes to the satanism. I'll pray for you, since you're not a real christian :^y
>>18169617This is so good. Keep going. I'm going to watch you rodents burn for hours on end when I get to heaven.
>>18169624Satanists don't go to heaven. Nor do those who reject Jesus' teachings, nor do those who want others to stray from Jesus. I'm going to have fun going to heaven despite hating your gay religion, since I'm clearly the better christian :^)
>>18169628Keep going. Max out the temp of your pathetic little corner of the lake of fire.
>>18169630I just talked to Jesus (something you haven't done since you "converted" last week) and he said the guy I'm trolling needs to take a shower and read the bible. I think he meant you? idk
>>18169634
Pagans see the world as being multi-factor and multi-causal. The nature of reality is a web of chaos that's really difficult to fully untangle. Christians by contrast view the entire cosmos as being the mundane, fully-known play things of a single entity, and they view salvation as being the product of forsaking the mundane reality for the wholly segregate spiritual reality in heaven.Basically, pagans are in awe of the world and natural processes, and christians see the world as fundamentally degenerate and beneath them. So when it comes to natural symbols of life and fertility, such as reproductive organs, the pagan will revere them and the christian will scoff at them.I think it's really just that simple.
>>18169667You fool!To this day, archeologists find piles after piles of infant boys precisely because every temple to the godesses of love/beauty/fertility is a brothelThe worship of Ishtar involves the priests linning up outside with a begging bowl. Anyone who drops a coin can now have sex with herThis results in a lot of pregnancies where the boys are killed and their boys are just piled up/scattered around the templeIf you find a pile of boys, you found a temple
>>18169364SAAR
>tradcath tranime schizosZUTTED
>>18169650I'm not an atheist. Did you take that shower Jesus demanded?
>>18169252>>18169324Cope. Monotheism is schizophreniaThe idea that there’s only one god is the greatest lie ever told.The fact that the universe is diverse and chaotic clearly shows that there’s more than one force at work. The Abrahamic belief that these divine forces are “demons” or “false gods” is clearly a sign of your insanity.Even the Bible slips up at times and accidentally admits this truth it so desperately tries to deny; the word “Elohim” is actually the plural form of the singular Hebrew word for gods Eloah (אלוה), so Genesis 1:1 would actually be saying “In the beginning THE GODS created the heavens and the earth.” Priests and translators intentionally distorted this fact.The gods might all originate from a single divine source (Neoplatonists called it the One, Hindus call it Brahman, etc), there might be a certain head of the gods, but nevertheless the gods all clearly exist and created the universe together.
>>18169734Note: this was only for the muslim scholars who are going to arrive to read books preserved in the Vatican ArchiveEither they give them a small room to pray to their false god. Or they will not come and learn the truth at all.Not a good thing to do, but eh. It is not unreasonable
>>18169699You act as if those things were bad lmao. Your morality is perverted.
>>18169797I am not actingIt is bad and you know that
>>18169797>piles of corpses scattered about pagan temples>"You act as if those things were bad lmao">"Your morality is perverted."
>>18169800Cope, those babies were never intended to be born and raised. Discarding them was perfectly fine
>>18169699>every temple to the godesses of love/beauty/fertility is a brothel>Source:random e-preacher's blog
>>18169813Drop the actIt is disgusting. Pagan gods are all demons
>>18169814Bitch.Venus is both the goddess of beauty and prostitutesEvery brothel is her templeAnd each one of them has piles of boys that they abandoned or killed in a pile.Infanticide is overwhelmingly high throughout Rome precisely because people just kept on sleeping around, calling it worship of VenusChristians secured their future by "stealing" those boys and grooming them to become the next priests. Inevitably, creating the first orphanages
>>18169823>people just kept on sleeping around, calling it worship of Venus>Source:random e-preacher's blog mixed with my own schizophrenia
>>18169823Cope and seethe. Infanticide is not wrong. Those babies were never intended to be born or raised, there was nothing wrong with discarding them.
>>18169833Some cults, festivals, and temples excluded prostitutes altogether,[70] but a few offered them a central role. The month of April was sacred to Venus, divine patron of sex, love and prostitutes. On the first of the month, women worshipped Fortuna Virilis ("Manly good fortune") and Venus Verticordia ("Venus changer of hearts") conjointly, at the Veneralia festival. Venus Verticordia was introduced by the elite, in an effort to encourage traditional moral values among women of the middle and elite classes, and thus win divine approval. According to Ovid,[71] prostitutes and respectable married women (matronae) shared in the ritual cleansing and reclothing of the cult statue of Fortuna Virilis.[72] On 23 April, prostitutes and "common girls" gave cult to Venus Erycina, whose temple was just outside Rome's ritual boundary; a sacred aspect of Venus but with Carthaginian origins, and not entirely respectable.[73] Her festival coincided with the Vinalia, celebrating the "everyday wine" of Venus and the superior, sacred vintage fit for Jupiter and men of the Roman elite.[72] "Pimped-out boys" (pueri lenonii) were celebrated on 25 April, the same day as the Robigalia, a festival to protect grain crops from fungal infestation.[74]On 27 April, and for six days of ludi during the Imperial era, the Floralia was held in honour of the goddess Flora, goddess of fertility, flowers. It was typically plebeian in character; disinhibited, colourful and licentious.[75] According to Juvenal and Lactantius, it featured erotic dancing and stripping by prostitutes, instigated by the crowd.[76] Juvenal also refers to nude dancing, and perhaps to prostitutes fighting in mock gladiatorial contests at Floriala.[77]
>>18169252>holy prostitutesisn't that exactly what your faggot religion teaches? don't forget you will be the virginal bride (paid with blood so just a whore) of jaysuss in heaven>Those to whom it is given to utter these words sincerely are comparatively few, but any one who has received this mystical kiss from the mouth of Christ at least once, seeks again that intimate experience, and eagerly looks for its frequent renewal. - On the Song of Songs: Bernard of Clairvaux> I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him. - 2 Corinthians 11:2
>>18169364I can smell the shitcurry in your post
>>18169699letting children die of exposure and rejecting the material world aren't even remotely the same thing. The former is usually a pragmatic decision based on the carrying capacity of a given situation that is only ever ad hoc justified by the religion at best, and just ignored at worst (germanic paganism never mentions the spiritual remifications of letting kids die of exposure, though they did practice it).Christianity doesn't reject materialism for logistical reasons. It rejects it for theological ones.
>>18169871Murder is murder
>>18169872I don't really care what your stupid opinions are, I was explaining why pagans embrace the natural world and christians abhor it.
>>18169252You worship an entity that demands that every single baby boy have his penis flayed.
>>18169878The Natural world where dolphins rape babies, lions murder babies, and seals rape, murder, and rape again the babies?
>>18169921you shouldn't anthropomorphize, they're just following their instinct
>>18169928Man's instinct is to be with GodWe are made in his image. Our duty is to act like oneAnd God says Do not worship false gods
>>18169837you know that this not only don't support anything that you posted but even go against your schizo ramblings, right ?
>>18169167Athenians were Taliban-tier (not even exaggerating) about separating the sexes and keeping women covered up + some ancient Roman writers were already bitching about girls acting like hoes and having see-through dresses They could be just as prudish as we are today
>>18169989And Minoans weren't.The wasnt a monolithic greek culture. They all varied.
>>18169167Because they destroy the people of God."Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. " (Revelation 2:20-23)
>>18169182>t.
>>18169167Simple. The Judaic religion is very paternalistic. This trickled down to other faiths of the same branch. Unfortunately its also a very matrilineal religion, which Christianity and Islam stamped out in order to weed out any attempts to shift power to priestesses who might try and subvert them from the inside. This is going to ruffle some feathers but essentially Judaism and European paganism share this similarity except European paganism also strips their specific brand of the paternalism inherent in Judaism.In short, European Paganism is a roastie religion. Look at how many women follow it and their attachments to astrology and witchcraft. Its clear as day. Women desire to be sluts so men can slap them. This is what we call shit tests. They act out on purpose. Similar to how Lacan said about the Situationists, they're slaves in needing of a master. Thats why women are overrepresented in leftist movements too.
>>18170054>LacanHe was just seething at how hard he got trolled.
>>18169167>Why does paganism exalt nudity, sensuality and eroticismChad >while abrahamism abhors them?Chud
>>18169630>>18169602>>18169575>>18169539>>18169508Saint Paul literally tells us not to be quarrelsome and cursing people and hurting them with harsh words is a sin.You aren't glorifying God and effectively spreading the gospel by arguing like this, you are just being self-serving and exalting yourself. Stop doing this or you won't see God's kingdom. The LORD knows your heart and reads all your thoughts so he knows what your intentions are and why you are acting how you are, you aren't gonna be able to say 'but I was being based and nominally doing it for the good cause of epically owning sinners' when you are held to account on the day of judgement.>>18169364Yahweh was never just a minor storm deity as evidenced by the fact by his name is Yahweh which means 'I am that I am' (and 'I am the one who is, who was and who is to come' according to the targums i.e eternal). Why would a minor storm deity have a name like this? Doesn't make sense + the only evidence that Yahweh was a member of the Canaanite pantheon is just archaelogical evidence showing that the Israelites were being polytheists at the exact time period that the Bible says they fell away into idolatry being polytheists.Also Jesus clearly claims to be this same deity not just a guy considering he calls himself that very same I AM name, accepts worship and says he and the Father are one/if you've seen him then you've seen Yahweh and claims authority and command over the elements like the sea that only God solely has in hebrew theology + his prophecies are across a God-level timespan not just immediate.
>>18169182Also the middle ages had lower temperatures, both pagan germanics and Christian European converts wore weigjter clothes than for example the people of the Nordic bronze age.
>>18169252>how many lies and false assumption do you want in your post? >yes
>>18170074Yeah? And Guy Debord jumped off a building killing himself. Who won again?
>>18170121hey look a real christian
>>18169324>Human sacrifices did not officially end until Brits got to them>Bengal FamineThat was a literal human sacrifice to save some sacks of rice for reserve food.
>>18169252based truth post. look how the demons rage in response!
>christfags come to antagonize people per the norm>dozens of replies>one actual christian tells them to stop acting like faggots>totally ignoredGen Z echristians are not real christians. Not that any proof was needed.
>>18170119Chad and Chud aren't mutually exclusive terms.You can be both at once
>>18169932Your "god" Yahweh is not a real god like Zeus is.Your "god" Yahweh is Typhon, the embodiment of chaos and father of all monsters.The bible itself proves this>It claims Yahweh will try to destroy this world (Book of Revelation)>It claims Yahweh is jealous of other gods (Deuteronomy 4:24 and Joshua 24:19)>It claims Yahweh is the "destroyer of nations" (Jeremiah 4:7)There's also the fact that Chaeremon, Apion, and Manetho all linked Yahweh to Set, the Egyptian god of chaos, destruction, and foreigners, whom later Egyptians equated with Typhon.You accuse the Olympians of being "demons", but the reality is that the only "demon" here is Yahweh whom you worship.This is why your "god" forbids images of him, because he looks like this.
>>18170579>"destroyer of nations" (Jeremiah 4:7)Fun fact: the original Hebrew for "nations" is goyimhttps://biblehub.com/text/jeremiah/4-7.htm
>>18170297I'm 43, bro. My parents are religious and I'm religious and so are they. You seem to forget not everyone is the same age.
>>18169167>abrahamismjeet thread. anons do not engage, or at least wear hazmat suits
>>18170642At 43 you should have a life, not spend your time on 4chan
>>18170647NTA but part of the reason /his/ sucks ass is that teenaged zoomies shit up threads with confrontational low-effort replies
Have you seen Jewish women? They aren't the IDF propaganda you see. The conservative jews, and this is real look it up, fuck their women through a hole in the blanket. That's how ugly these women are.
>>18170586that link you just posted shows you that the very same word is used in the verses about how Abraham's seed will birth many nations so it's clearly not just 'the gentile enemies of Israel' in meaning, it's just the word for nations>>18170579all of those other deities you listed have zero evidence for their existence whatsoever whereas Yahweh does in the form of a historical guy claiming to be the incarnation of the deity and said guy's personality/morality is not like Typhon or a chaos god so I think it's safe to say none of your pagan bullshit exists and your equation of Yahweh with any of it is just incorrect
>>18171283Cope and seethe, you worship a demon of chaos who deceived you into unironically believing he was the “one true god.” The idea that there’s only one god is the greatest lie ever told.The fact that the universe is diverse and chaotic clearly shows that there’s more than one force at work. The Abrahamic belief that these divine forces are “demons” or “false gods” is clearly a sign of their insanity.Even the Bible slips up at times and accidentally admits this truth it so desperately tries to deny; the word “Elohim” is actually the **plural** form of the singular Hebrew word for gods **Eloah** (אלוה), so Genesis 1:1 would actually be saying “In the beginning **THE GODS** created the heavens and the earth.” Priests and translators intentionally distorted this fact.The gods might all originate from a single divine source (Neoplatonists called it the One, Hindus call it Brahman, etc), there might be a certain head of the gods, but nevertheless the gods all clearly exist and created the universe together.Monotheism is schizophrenia
>>18169167It's a sovl vs sovlless thing
>>18171314The universe isn't diverse and chaotic, it's highly ordered and uniform to a strangely striking degree. The universe is made out of the exact same stuff functioning in the exact same way literally everywhere and the rules/laws of physics are maintained consistently to an absolute razor-sharp pinpoint level of precision that never seems to slip-up or be in conflict with itself for even a nanosecond, anywhere. This is extremely conspicious and makes zero sense in a polytheist universe ruled over by warring gods - it doesn't even make sense in the atheistic view of reality eiether - if there truly was no intelligent design or deity running things and it's all just random chaos then you would think that there's no guarantee that the laws of reality would hold indefinitely everywhere or even that all of reality would function in the same way and be the same everywhere, there should be no guarantee that reality doesn't just morph and collapse into something else at any moment. But this is not what we see.The reality that you experience on a day to day basis is not like one that has no god or is created by conflicting deities, it is singular, uniform and highly ordered. The things in the universe that you consider 'chaotic' like explosive stars and pulsars etc are highly ordered factories cycling through the same behavior like engines every single time; weather on Earth that you consider 'chaotic' also has this same predictable and cyclical nature to it and human chaos like wars/political conflict/general violence are caused by willing choices of humans that are strangely self-aware and making choices. There is no true randomness or chaos in our universe and everything about it indicates that is intentionally created by a singular being with a high level of intelligence, foresight and operational ability i.e. the monotheistic God of Abraham, the only version of a god in all human history that is depicted like this which comes with proof of its existence: Jesus
>>18171283>whereas Yahweh does in the form of a historical guy claiming to be the incarnation of the deitySeveral Germanic and Anglo-Saxon rulers claimed heritage from Odin, and some dynasties claimed heritage from other gods, such as the Ynglings who are descended from Freyr (also known as Yngvi-Freyr).We’re talking hundreds of not thousands of individuals and their kin descending from the Æsir and you’ve got, what, one guy? Embarrassing.
>>18171314and the fact that Elohim is plural is not the counter-point that you think it is. Even aside from the Trinity being God's nature, he is also called the 'Lord of Hosts' (referring to the heavenly hosts of angels) many times throughout the Bible with angels described acting out his will in various ways, so the plurality of the way the denizens of Heaven are described in Hebrew is a non-issue. You don't need to invoke entire other deities to explain it.
>>18171438rulers claiming descent from a deity and far-removed from the source descendants claiming divine ancestry is not at all comparable or weightier than multiple firsthand witnesses all claiming the same thing about one guy with mostly similar details and dozens of people in the surrounding area being willing to easily believe it despite the fact that doing so is extreme cultural heresy and social suicide and then said people even under pain of death still persisted in believing the claim. The longevity and survival of said belief after thousands of years is also striking unlike these vague abstract pagan claims of divine descent - where are those divine descendants and their claims now? They're all gone and yet weirdly an seemingly outlandish claim about a random street preacher from a bunch of shepherds and fishermen has persisted in spite of all historical and cultural developments and changes and in fact the claim itself changed the entire world. The fact that this isn't extremely conspicuous to you, that the people of the time so strongly believed the claim and all agreed on the details and that history developed how it did revolving around this claim should strike you as odd. The onus is on you to explain why humanity was wrong about a claim that was taken for granted for literally thousands of years and believed so strongly, unlike your weak vapor-like pagan claims that dissolve so easily with the mere passage of time and change of culture.
>>18171468>rulers claiming descent from a deity and far-removed from the source descendants claiming divine ancestryAre you saying that or traditions are inherently suspect and unreliable? Because that would be a rather unfortunate position to take as a believer in the Bible
>>18169182Only Pajeets say Abrahamic.
>>18171482traditions are indeed suspect and unreliable but the reason why Christianity is different is because unlike all the others it has literal firsthand witnesses all agreeing on a central claim that they saw happen. Most traditions develop organically and in a gestalt emergent way out of the vague murky mire of passing cultural norms and their origins become an obvious result of random happenstance factors coalescing together on closer scrutiny - this is not the case with Christianity where the tradition comes from a singular event/person that sharply interjects into history out of nowhere and makes it divert off its emerging natural course. If you take Jesus out of first century Galilee/Capernaum/Jerusalem then all historical and cultural trends at the time are NOT naturally leading towards 'suddenly a load of first century jews in the area start believing in a totally new religion around a heretical rabbi and break away suddenly from all their traditions, laws and norms and are convinced of it so strongly even under persecution that it spawns a large-scale new religion that accelerates into the spotlight ahead of first-century judaism and hellenism.' There's just no comfortable parsimonious atheistic or pagan way to explain how the Christian tradition developed because history so obviously looks like the guy really was who he claimed he was.
>>18171501None of the gospels are “first-hand accounts” lmao. It is agreed that all of them were written several decades later by people who had were not eyewitnesses nor did they even meet these supposed eyewitnesses. They all got their information via word of mouth. Jesus’ supposed eyewitnesses were illiterate Aramaic-speaking peasants in Galilee while the people who wrote the New Testament were educated Greek-speakers who lived outside of the holy land.Cope and seethe
>>18171525Written decades later, sureWritten by people who were not eyewitnesses? LMAOThe ENTIRETY of Judea saw it. It was right in the Passover -EVERY SINGLE JEW was present at the templeAnd they outright named Poncius Pilate as someone involvedNo lie can survive that
>>18171525>None of the gospels are “first-hand accounts” lmaoaccording to biased secular academics just arbitarily deciding this based on the motivated circular reasoning of 'well we know they can't actually have been written by them because that would mean the claims are real,' yes. Just because someone with some academic title and a paper attached to their name says a thing, doesn't make it true> It is agreedby the same consensus of 'experts' who toe the current progressive line on blatant nonsense that goes against all reason like men being real women if they just say they are, yeahwhy are you appealing to a biased unreliable authority like they are an infallible source that dictates truth?>They all got their information via word of mouthno they saw it happen and how we know they did is because we also have documents from their own second-order disciples/apprentices like Papaias or Clement of Rome who clearly cite the gospels as if they were written by the disciples' themselves>Jesus’ supposed eyewitnesses were illiterate Aramaic-speaking peasants in Galilee while the people who wrote the New Testament were educated Greek-speakers who lived outside of the holy landyes because they had Greek-speaking scribes/servants that they dictated the gospels to. The new testament literally itself describes the fact that they had servants like this, basically all of Paul's letters themselves for example state that they were written/co-written by Timothy. People having hiring servants or having educated slaves that they dictated written words to was a normal common practice at the time. The 'b-but they were illiterate so they weren't the authors, the gospels were totally written by anonymous randos ages later' is such cope from secular 'historians' because they know what the obvious implications of the gospels really being authored by Matthew, Mark, Luke and John would mean.
>>18169167>>18169252Literally not true>defining gods imageLike when you chucklefucks stole the image of Zeus to use for Yahweh and stole Dionysus' entire divine story to tack onto the Jewish Prophet Jesus of Nazareth?Or when you stole the images of Dionysus, Pan and Prometheus for your devil/Satan>>18169167Its because the gods don't hate humanity like Christians imagine Yahweh does. >but he loves usYeah the sane way an abusive parent loves their kids or a abusive husband loves their wifeLiterally the only redeemable thing about Abrahamism is that Jesus at least wanted to be uplifting and Saint Francis was a cool guy other than that Its just Abrahamic shit with a Hellenic coat of paint
>>18169167Why do all the Christians leave these thread and create identical ones on /pol/ the minute they get more than a single anon pushing back?
>>18171578>intentionally completely semantically misunderstanding the use of 'image' in that anon's post to go on a rant about muh cultural appropriation of pagan imagery for Christian usewhat a weak argument. You are just upset that you culturally lost; by your own belief system's moral logic of 'might makes right' you should think that Christianity was the worthy victor.>Yeah the sane way an abusive parent loves their kids or a abusive husband loves their wife>alleged atheist/pagan paradoxically criticizing a deity they think supposedly think is fictional as if it really existsevery time lolalso you are wrong about your understanding of Yahweh anyway. You are confusing 'respecting your children's free will and allowing them to fail' with abuse for some reason and/or not taking seriously that an eternal blissful afterlife being literally real makes death and suffering trivial + not understanding that it's where since creation emanates from God as a result of his spoken Word, this means that - as Psalms and Job describe - Yahweh is literally running the universe and keeping everyone alive and causing every good thing ever to happen himself 24/7 i.e. the fact that you are even still breathing every second or that reality doesn't break down and blink out of existence the next moment is thanks to Yahweh's active spirit.>Its because the gods don't hate humanity like Christians imagine Yahweh doesthinking that it's where Yahweh hates his creation or that you're supposed to reject it and be completely detached from it - not just the sinful fallen world of humanity in a social/moral sense but even the physical material world itself - is a wrongheaded gnostic-esque misunderstanding that Christians (especially Orthodox for some reason) have been falling into for ages that is completely BTFO'd immediately right from chapter 1 of the book saying that God made creation and 'he saw that it was good.'God loves us which is why he keeps us alive every single day.
>>18171717>'he saw that it was good.'God’s creation is good insofar as it is of god. Creation is not susceptible of being independently good without relation to god based on its own inherent qualities, because if a thing could be independently good, then the Christian god ceases to be the sole guiding post for goodness in the world, and if you concede that god is not the sole guiding post for morality, then he basically just becomes the demiurge
>>18171735>God’s creation is good insofar as it is of god. Creation is not susceptible of being independently good without relation to god based on its own inherent qualities...yeah, and...? Are you trying to argue against Christian theology by going 'it can't be true because that's not very nice!!' or are you just stating the theology?Yes, it is in fact where creation is only good because God IS goodness and any deviation from God leads to things that are not good, and whenever a person is experiencing goodness or being good themselves it is because of God - that is indeed what the theology is. What is the problem with this exactly? Or are you agreeing with me?
>>18171740>or are you just stating the theology?I’m stating your own theology back to you, which you now seem to largely agree with, but you initially seemed to imply that the world itself was independently good. It’s not, and you know it’s not. The Christian position on the world is that creation without a creator is worthless. The world has exactly 0 indeed entry good qualities. Which is to say, that there is literally NOTHING good about the world.Is it hyperbolic to say that Christians hate the world? Maybe, but they sure don’t have any affinity for it.
>>18171433that's cool and all, but now explain how intelligent design came up with the nightmare that is the spinal system in most vertebrates.
>>18171750again, you are misunderstanding. Creation is an emanation from God, a mnifestation of his will spoken into existence by his world and maintained by his spirit, which means that it reflects his own qualities. Creation is inherently good because God is good because creation is from God - it's not where creation can even exist independently of God or that there even could possibly be creation on its own or from something else.Christians should have an affinity for the world - because it reflects God's qualities and was created specifically for them to live in it - it is deviations from that natural (Godly) state of creation that Christians are supposed to be against. And funnily enough, on a day to day basis you do in fact see that whenever people deviate away from the natural order and/or Christianity that everything goes to shit. This isn't a coincidence and it should be very conspicuous to any atheist or pagan that this is clearly the case.
>>18171772*a manifestation of his will spoken into existence by his word
>>18171760You don't have to go that farJust the DNA alone is aburdly impossibleIt is 420million pairs of RNA structures. If 1 single molecule is wrong, the entire thing collapseAnd not only that. In order for it to survive, it must be capable of protecting, maintaining, repairing, and reproducing that same DNA. It must all be created in a single second and kept protected, fed, and maintained, until it spreads throughout the world.It is a complete impossibilityThat's like saying that, given enough earthquakes, you should be able to find a fully-sustained car factory somewhere on Earth
>>18171760God has pulled his protection back slightly from creation since humanity told him that they thought they could rule themselves and survive without him and so as a result imperfection was retroactively introduced into all of reality. Humans asked for a 'not 100% God-protected creation' to live in and God respected their wishes so now there are (tbf less self-aware, not-quite-souls-like-ours incapable of suffering) animals crawling around with janky spines and we have to suffer the same scuffed physical qualities.And before you say 'but I never rejected God myself so why do I deserve a janky spine?' you do in fact reject God every single day that you don't act godly or persist in your unbelief and pride.The good news is, God has guaranteed that the humans who go 'alright God you were right, we can't rule ourselves and do need you afterall' get to live forever in perfect non-janky angelic Saint-tier bodies in New Jerusalem world after the end of time if you accept the empirical proof of God's existence in the form of Jesus.
>>18171717>Might makes rightMy religion has no such nonsense thank you very much Mr Christian>culturally lostYou celebrate the birth of your "prophet" on our holy days not his birthday You celebrate it by decorating things in red and green also stolen from our holy daysYou stole the Yule tree from the Asatru (north religion)Easter is just a knock off spring fertility holidayThe reality is your religion was so shit you had to steal everyone else's culture to even make it palatable >I'm misinterpreting YahwehNo I'm notIf I put a poison apple in front of my 3 year old daughter, tell her not to eat it and she eats it I'm a negligent parent If i say every one of her children is now cursed because of it I'm an even bigger asshole> I'm breathing and thats the will of Yahweh everything good is Yahweh's doing everything bad is...someone else's problem mkay If you want to see a gods' love look no further than our dopamine and seratonin systemsThank you Zagreus/Dionysus and Prometheus >sinful fallen world of humanity Lmao once again showing that Christians hate humanity The world is good and bad and it's a reflection of the Gods The atom that can create unlimited power can be used to nuke citiesThe brick screams Use me to build social services on one side and throw me at a cop on the other Monotheism is a plague, it tries to shape the world in its image meanwhile polytheism tries to explain the world as it isJust look at queersChristians>it's an abomination and challenge to Gods perfect creation of a man and the rib lady made from his flesh and their incestuous childrenMeanwhile in Hellenism>Dionysus got Hermes and or Prometheus drunk and they decided to mix and match people's bodies and minds creating intersex and queer people
>>18171806>My religion has no such nonsense maybe your idiosyncratic, ad-libbed as you go along, '2025 AD pop culture version reflecting the norms of the first world country you already live in' 'religion of one(1)' 'the beliefs are whatever is convenient for my immeidate mundane lifestyle' version of paganism doesn't but every actual pagan society in history was in fact like this.You are simply calling yourself a pagan out of convenience while not actually living like an actual real pagan from a pagan society. This is the difference between modern 'pagans' and serious Christians, we actually have real churches to go to, real holy books to read, real schools of theology to delve into, real traditions and practices, real prayers for comfort and beliefs we actually really 100% believe and a lifestyle and moral character to strive for and change ourselves to be like - whereas you modern 'pagans' just say you serve Dionysus or whoever so you can keep vaping and smoking weed like you already were before and call it a day.>The reality is your religion was so shit you had to steal everyone else's culture to even make it palatable*The reality is our religion was so eminently true and convincing to people that they were willing to subsume all their traditions into it and use them to glorify a totally different God that they didn't worship before>If I put a poison apple in front of my 3 year old daughter, tell her not to eat it and she eats it I'm a negligent parentwhy is it always a young child without self-actualized free will in these dull atheist analogies? It's not comparable.If you put a poison apple in front of your adult 21 year old son, told them not to eat it and then they ate it literally nobody would call you a negligent parent and would blame the childyou are intentionally tripping yourself up on the use of the term child in regards to 'God's children' to make your tired inane point(1/2)
>>18171677part of the christfag playbook. They're big, tuff, spooky CRVSADERS when well-meaning people are just talking, and when they get checked they're persecuted victims. >>18171717>criticizing a deity they think supposedly think is fictionalPeople criticize fictional characters all the time, it's the majority of fandom discussion online lol>>18171785>It is a complete impossibilityI thought Yahweh could do anything. Why didn't he just make a perfect spine?
>>18171823>so eminently trueso eminently true that you had to pay rulers to make it illegal to be pagan and murder the ones that still disagreed
>>18171823This is the difference between modern 'pagans' and serious Christians, we actually have real churches to go to>Hindu temple isn't far away if I was to leave offerings>someday I'd like to buy an abandoned church and convert it into a Temple of the Gods and use it to do good in the worldReal holy books to read, real schools of theology to delve into, real traditions and practices, real prayers for comfort >we have these too and I actually help connect people in my group to texts and hymnsand beliefs we actually really 100% believe and a lifestyle and moral character to strive for and change ourselves to be like - whereas you modern 'pagans' just say you serve Dionysus or whoever so you can keep vaping and smoking weed like you already were before and call it a day.> actually I spend a lot of my time making devotional art, organizing goods for charity, taking donations myself to the homeless when its blankets and pillows>I strive to better myself every day and make the world a better place>I spread the good word when possible Also and I'm not sure if you will ever get this but polytheists aren't a monolith, Hellenics are not a monolith The only ones claiming there is one god, one belief system and one way to worship are abrahamics and many of them have modernized not that I respect the ones that want to larp as bronze age primitives
>>18171806>If i say every one of her children is now cursed because of it I'm an even bigger assholeno, you don't understand, the humans demanded God give them and their descendents a world without his protection so he gave it to them + the nature of sin is such that it's actually more like every single human keeps indefinitely choosing to eat the poison apple over and over and over again every day.>everything good is Yahweh's doing everything bad is...someone else's problem mkayeverything bad is a deviation away from God and humans willingly asked for a world in which God wouldn't be there fully 100% to protect them (hell is what total absence of God looks like btw so you really don't wanna choose to end up there)>The world is good and bad and it's a reflection of the GodsThe world is good and bad because it is a world that is good slipping slightly away from God (who is good)the world is like 95% good but the 5% coding error of imperfection/sin that God allowed because humans said 'bet we could live in a 95% world without your 100% help God lmao'>Monotheism is a plague, it tries to shape the world in its image meanwhile polytheism tries to explain the world as it ispolytheism doesn't explain the world as-is because the world is not nearly chaotic and diverse enough to look like one made by multiple conflicting gods>Just look at queers5% coding error from sin, the deviation from the good, but since God is so loving and active anyway even error-induced wrong things in the world can have some good come out of them. Meanwhile in pagan world it should be where you can randomly smited by some god you pissed off for no apparent reason or where different patches of reality are totally different and causing mayhem because of gods fighting each other - but we don't see any of that. It's all just uniform and generally pretty good unless humans try to live near fault lines, wild animals and choose to be imperfect towards each other.(2/2)
>>18171844>texts and hymnsI'd actually be really interested in seeing these. You have any contact info you're comfortable sharing?
>>18171823>nobody would call you a negligent parentIf you're an omnipotent being and you let a guy you created kill himself, you're either an omnipotent being that likes watching his creations suffer or you're not omnipotent. Silly example lol
>>18171825>People criticize fictional characters all the time, it's the majority of fandom discussion online lolthey don't try to argue against said character's existence on the basis of that they don't like the character though>I thought Yahweh could do anything. Why didn't he just make a perfect spine?>>18171796
>>18171852>If you're an omnipotent being and you let a guy you created kill himself*if you're an omnipotent being and you let a guy you created kill himself because you value free wil land respect the decisions that the creation makes>you're either an omnipotent being that likes watching his creations suffer or you're not omnipotentyou're an omnipotent being that isn't a benevolent dictator saving people and getting rid of their suffering against their will. What part of 'God values free will on an axiomatic level' don't you understand?
>>18171853>argue against said character's existenceYeah because we know fictional characters are fictional lol The post you quoted doesn't answer the spine question btw. Spines were part of us since the beginning, so they happened chronologically before we "asked to rule ourselves" or whatever. So I ask again, why couldn't your perfect being make a perfect spine?
>>18171858Why would god value free will, intrinsically knowing that some people will hurt themselves and go to hell because of it, if he didn't like that? Are you saying your perfect being is unable to prevent things he doesn't like?
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>>18171844>paganism is when I give to charity, do yoga and fetishize Indian culture for weird orientalist reasons and sing kumbayamaybe your idiosyncratic 2025 AD pop cultural white woman version is but that isn't the paganism that all those hellenistic jpgs of yours actually representyou are not a pagan, you are just some new 21st century hobbyist/lifestyle thing that isn't paganism. Real paganism (thankfully and well deservedly) is fucking dead. Real pagans were defeated and declared that Jesus Christ is Lord and Yahweh is the one true God.In the book of Numbers there is a priest of the Cannanite god Baal from the kingdom of Moab called Balaam who is sent by the king to try to seduce and convert the wandering Hebrews away from Yahweh worship. On the way, Yahweh trolls Balaam by having his Angel of the Lord speak through Balaam's donkey to show that he is less wise than even his own donkey for trying to go against the one true God Yahweh and in the end Yahweh uses Balaam to make him prophecy against the Moabites.This is why we celebrate Christmas despite it being taken from Yule and Saturnalia and why your coping and seething about it and all the pagan Christian imagery means nothing. Everything in creation belonged to Yahweh to begin with and every pagan of old eventually accepted this fact.
>>18171849You're fine anon I have no secret knowledge I'm trying to make known again what was already known and forgotten https://www.theoi.com/Text/OrphicHymns2.htmlThere are many places with translated Orphic and Homeric hymns and tales of the Gods, luckily with the advent of the internet it can be freely and easily spread >>18171846You're not getting less absurd or making a case for Yahweh being a good god let alone worth worshippingIt all comes back to everything good is Yahweh everything bad is someone else mmkay Let's not fool ourselves into even that though how can it be good to call for the extermination of cities and the enslavement of women survivors?
>>18171862>Are you saying your perfect being is unable to prevent things he doesn't like?I'm saying he values humans having free will more than forcing them to be saved from the consequences against their will. This is not hard to understand.The difference between God and humans (and why they fall short of the perfect justice and mercy of God) is that if any human parent suddenly had omnipotence most really would force their own adult child against their will to not become a druggie, whereas God would never do this>>18171861>Spines were part of us since the beginning, so they happened chronologically before we "asked to rule ourselves" or whateverNo, you don't understand how the theology actually works (granted most Christians don't either)it's actually where, because God is outside time and eternal, this means that when he declared that imperfection would be allowed into reality this then became true RETROACTIVELYwhen God says in Genesis that 'the ground on which you is cursed' it means ALL GROUND EVER. I know this isn't how most Christians interpret it but that's because they have protestant retardation and this is what it actually means and how it was always originally understood by advanced jewish thinkers who studied the Torah (which is why they later came up with all kinds of weird jewish mysticism idea like that Eden was its own realm outside of creation before time or that Adam was a pre-material cosmic soul and other such gnosticism-tier weirdness to try to make sense of it).
>>18171891*the ground on which you walk is cursed
>>18171880>You're not getting less absurd or making a case for Yahweh being a good god let alone worth worshippingjust because you don't like the theology doesn't make it not make sense>It all comes back to everything good is Yahweh everything bad is someone else mmkay*It all comes back to everything good is Yahweh everything bad is not-Yahwehyour version is actually the one where you need to start inventing entire other deities to explain bad things in opposition to good things, all of which have literally zero evidence whatsover and are not being believed in by you in any real concrete sense, just as a poetic abstraction and therefore as worthless as the decaying stone statues of them that have been forgotten to timeBtw, Yahweh said inb4 to (You) a few thousand years ago:>Psalm 115:4-8>But their idols are silver and gold, made by human hands. They have mouths, but cannot speak, eyes, but cannot see. They have ears, but cannot hear, noses, but cannot smell. They have hands, but cannot feel, feet, but cannot walk, nor can they utter a sound with their throats. Those who make them will be like them, and so will all who trust in them.>how can it be good to call for the extermination of cities and the enslavement of women survivors?this would be a real killer of a gotcha if was a retarded protestant literalist, huh?Thankfully, not only do I understand that the Bible is a collection of different genres and only some of them are divine prophecy while others are historical accounts with a theological flair (and that Jesus never remarked on said exterminations so it's irrelevant to faith) but fortunately it turns out said cities of people were sacrificing infant children every day and performing ritual prostitution and mass promiscuous sexual immorality (kinda like our own not-Yahweh worshipping society now, huh) so I'm not gonna shed many tears for them tbdesuIt's a hypocritical argument anyway since the pagan societies you like had slavery and genocide too
>>18171934>>It all comes back to everything good is Yahweh everything bad is someone else mmkayANSWER THIS SHIT CHRISTKEK SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE THAT YAHWEH IS GOOD AND EVERYTHING OTHER IS BACK. GO AND READ THE BIBLE HE ALLOWS THE SALVERY YOU DUMB SUBHUMAN,.
>>18171934Thankfully, not only do I understand that the Bible is a collection of different genres and only some of them are divine prophecy while others are historical accounts with a theological flair (and that Jesus never remarked on said exterminations so it's irrelevant to faith) but fortunately it turns out said cities of people were sacrificing infant children every day and performing ritual prostitution and mass promiscuous sexual immorality (kinda like our own not-Yahweh worshipping society now, huh) so I'm not gonna shed many tears for them tbdesuYOUR GOD CAN APPEAR AND SHOW THE MERCY AND MAKE THE FREEWILL TO MAKE THEM KNOW THAT IS BAD. AND ALLOW THEM TO ABANDON THAT SHIT. BUT NOT. YOUR GOD DON'T DO THAT AND ALLOW ISRAEL KILL ALL THAT SHIT. YOU FUCKING DUMB SUBHUMAN.
>>18171950MORE OVER, IF THEY ABANDON GOD CAN SHOW MERCY AND ALLOW THEM LIVE. IF THEY DON'T DO THAT AND MAKE GOD ANGRY GOD CAN KILL ALL OF THEM. CHILDREN IS INNOCENT STOP MAKING SOME SHITTY JEW SHIT ON THESE ARGUMENT. MODERN PEOPLE IS SMART THAN THIS FUCKING JEW DESET GOD.
>>18171944>>18171950>>18171952>SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE THAT YAHWEH IS GOODFive random proofs of the goodness of Yahweh:>1. The fact that you are even still breathing and able to seethe about him (we know this is from Yahweh because it says in Genesis and Psalms that all people are animated by his active spirit of life)>2. The fact that you were born and exist at all(we know this is from Yahweh because it says in Psalms that he himself forms people in their mother's wombs)>3. The fact that universalist egalitarian Christian morality exists which is how you are even alive and living comfortably in a first-world nation of conscientious people and not a war-torn drowning in barbarism (we know this is from Yahweh because Jesus, the physical incarnation of Yahweh, summed up the entire Torah as 'do unto others as you would be treated' when challenged and the early Christians took this to heart and founded Christendom around this command which is why first-world countries ended up as they did)>4. The fact that it was Christians who abolished slavery(we know this is from Yahweh because Genesis states that all men are made in his image which was the basis for the abolition of slavery which is only a norm in first-world nations of Christian origin whereas non-Christian nations still have slavery right now)>5. The fact that the concept of charity came from Christianity and is the only reason orphanages and homeless shelters exist(we know this is from Yahweh because Jesus, the physical incarnation of Yahweh, commanded in his example to feed the hungry and poor and that God is with the broken-hearted and destitute)>HE ALLOWS THE SALVERY YOU DUMB SUBHUMANYahweh was working through the established traditions of the fallen humans at the time who had come up with slavery all on their own and he commanded that slaves should be treated well until Jesus gave commands that would abolish slavery
>>18171983>Yahweh was working through the established traditions of the fallen humans at the time who had come up with slavery all on their own and he commanded that slaves should be treated well until Jesus gave commands that would abolish slaveryYahweh was working through the established traditions of the fallen humans at the time who had come up with slavery all on their own and he commanded that slaves should be treated well until Jesus gave commands that would abolish slaveryNO HE IS NOT IF HE IS HE CAN FREE THAT FUCKING SLAVERY YOU SUBHUMAN LYING. HE SAY HE GOING TO SAVE PEOPLE THAT OPRESSED NOT SLAVERY. OPRESSED IS PEOPLE THAT JEW WHO MAKE LAWS OPRESSED THEY LYING JEW PEOPLE BELIVE THE LAW BUT THEY DON'T OBEY THE LAWS. JESUS DON'T FUCKING GO ANY WHERE AND SAY SLAVERY IS FREE OR SOME SHIT. HE IS BORN TO SAVE THE DISEASE AND CURE THE DISEASE PEOPLE. FUCKING DAMN LYING. I NVER SEE HE FREE ANY SHIT SLAVERY IN BIBLE YOUR FUCKING SHITHOLE LYING CHRISTKEK.
>>18171944>>18171950>>18171952>YOUR GOD CAN APPEAR AND SHOW THE MERCY AND MAKE THE FREEWILL TO MAKE THEM KNOW THAT IS BADGod already commanded 'thou shalt not kill' and that the blood of any killed would be upon them + the pagan cities in question were enemies of Yahweh and had outright rejected him, even if he had appeared they would have still been against him and he respects human choices. He allowed the destruction and takeover of said cities because it was necessary for establishing the kingdom that would birth the Messiah however all involved who committed wrong will have their souls judged and be held to account.>CHILDREN IS INNOCENT STOP MAKING SOME SHITTY JEW SHIT ON THESE ARGUMENTthe gospels tell us that Jesus loves children and says that they will inherit the kingdom of God because of their purity and that any who would harm a child should be drowned in the depths of the ocean so in all likelihood all of the slain children get a free ticket to paradise.
>>18171983(we know this is from Yahweh because Jesus, the physical incarnation of Yahweh, commanded in his example to feed the hungry and poor and that God is with the broken-hearted and destitute)CHARITY COME FORM INDIA AND FUCKING CHINA TOO YOUR FUCKING DAMN LYING HISTORYLET. THEY BUILD THE FUCKING HOUSE TO CURE DISEASE PEOPLE TOO. THEY HAVE THAT BOTH PRIVATE AND KINGS ALLOW THAT TOO.
>>18172000NO JESUS LOVE FUCKING CHILDREN THAT BELIVE HIM YOUR FUCKING LYING SUBHUMAN. MEXICO.THAT WHY YAHWEH KILL CHILDREN IS RIGHT BECAUSE CHILDREN DON'T FUCKIGN KNOW HIM
>>18172000God already commanded 'thou shalt not kill' and that the blood of any killed would be upon them + the pagan cities in question were enemies of Yahweh and had outright rejected him, even if he had appeared they would have still been against him and he respects human choices. He allowed the destruction and takeover of said cities because it was necessary for establishing the kingdom that would birth the Messiah however all involved who committed wrong will have their souls judged and be held to account.NO FUCKING BELIVE THAT SHIT. IN THE FUCKING MODERN EYES YOUR GOD IS FUCKING SUBHUMAN JEW GOD. NO DIVINE. THIS IS FUCKING JUSTIFICATION OF JEW PEOPLE TO GENOCIDE. NO EVEIDENCE OF FUCKING CURSE BLOOD OR SOME SHIT IN THEIR BODY. STOP COPING AND ACCEPT THE FUCKING FACT. SOUL MY ASS. JUST USING YOUR FUCKING HAMMER AND BAN YOUR FUCKING HEAD AND SEE YOUR SOUL.
>>18169167I think the Abrahamic religions were originally a series of death cults that were mutated into neoplatonic religions, especially Christianity. The original reason for this is probably that it's an answer to the fear of death. If you don't matter and only god matters and he will take care of you after death if you just obey, that's probably what it was about, a growing concern about death and how to deal with it. People were getting slightly more educated about the world around them in the elite classes of the Mediterranean, more well read about history, with that comes a stronger awareness of death. Simply being strong and worshipping the spirits of the river and the winds, although poetic, they don't really answer ultimate questions. Neoplatonism takes it beyond just a way of handling death and sort of proposes a universal "the one" which we all are a part of, universalizing everyone and a sense of brotherhood and collective unity as well as mysteries and perfection. Sex is an expression of power, one dominates another, the body asserts itself over the intellect and higher notions. It is less harmonious with those higher abstract notions.
>>18171983>(we know this is from Yahweh because Genesis states that all men are made in his image which was the basis for the abolition of slavery which is only a norm in first-world nations of Christian origin whereas non-Christian nations still have slavery right now)NO FUCKING SHIT COPE. IT IS ALLOWS TO FUCKING SLAVERY. THE MOST IMPORTANT FOR THAT SHIT CLAIM IS THAT YOU EQUAL TO GOD. IT MEAN YOU BELIVE HIM YOU CAN GO TO HEAVEN WITH HIM. DO YOU READ BIBLE? THE MOST IMPORTANT IS KINGDOM OF HEAVEN NOT SOME SHIT IN EARTH. IF YOU SLAVERY IT IS OK BECAUSE IT IS THE LAWS OF PEOPLE MAKE YOU BAN OR NOT IS NOT IMPORTANT. THE MOST IMPORTANT IS THAT YOU BELIVE IN JESUS AND YOU CAN GO TO HEAVEN TO LIVE WITH HIM. THAT IS THE MOST GIFT OF GOD NOT SOME SHIT IN THE EARTH.
>>18171983SLAVERY BAN IS NOT UNIQUE FOR YOU. SIKH FOUNDER BAN SLAVERY AND SAY PEOPLE ALL EQUAL SO FUCKING SUBHUMAN HISTORY LET.
>>18172002>>18172003>>18172008I will attempt to salvage points to address from your near-incoherent demonic sperging but the fact that you are responding like this only strengthens my faith and makes me think you are reacting like this because you are floundering and know that what I am saying is the truth. I will pray for your soul anon since you seem deeply troubled.>CHARITY COME FORM INDIA AND FUCKING CHINA TOOChina is one of the most violent countries on Earth historically and is an ethno-supremacist nation, its charity only extends to them and their own - meanwhile India has no regard for the sanctity of human life at all with people throwing themselves under trains on a regular basis, cannibalism and parading corpses around and living in literal filth on a daily basis so allow me to take any praise you have for this fallen nation with a massive grain of salt.>THIS IS FUCKING JUSTIFICATION OF JEW PEOPLE TO GENOCIDEsince I am a Christian and not a protestant retard I can sidestep the issue of how to justify this entirely and simply state that only the true revealed character of God in Jesus and the things he references matter and that the old testament only matters in so far as it historically justifies and lays the foundation for Jesus' appearance but since it was only written by men it doesn't need to 100% be viewed as infallible or authoritative.>THE MOST IMPORTANT IS THAT YOU BELIVE IN JESUS AND YOU CAN GO TO HEAVEN TO LIVE WITH HIM. THAT IS THE MOST GIFT OF GOD NOT SOME SHIT IN THE EARTH.no, your actions on Earth matter and determine whether or not your soul has chosen the new heavens and earth after the end of time or hell. We are commanded to live following the example of Jesus while alive in the mortal material world and this is paramount. Being saved by grace and the Holy Spirit after accepting Jesus is Lord doesn't mean you'll be saved if you then spend your life being evil afterwards; the epistles explain this. Evil Christians aren't saved.
>>18171891>This is not hard to understandNothing you're saying is so complicated that we don't get it, we just disagree lol.>[insert lengthy excuse for your god being imperfect here]The fact is that it would be more perfect to not allow flaws than it would be to allow flaws. If your god is perfection, nobody would have flaws because a flawless god would have no reason to make flawless creations. This is not hard to understand. As far as you still being on the spine thing, it still just doesn't work man. A perfect being would not deliberately created flawed creations just because he knew those creations were going to ask for free will or whatever later. I want to state it again that understanding is not the issue here, you're just arguing the illogical.
>>18172069tldr you think perfection/flawless = lobotomized humans living in a benevolent dictatorship utopia> A perfect being would not deliberately created flawed creations just because he knew those creations were going to ask for free will or whatever lateryes it would because being fair, just and respecting free will is part of its perfect nature. Yes this does in fact technically mean a perfect being following its perfect nature leads to imperfection existing but this is why there is an end-state in which the contradiction is resolved by salvation and the sorting of the sheep and the goats (based on their own inclinations and willing choices i.e. the denizens of heaven and the new creation chose to be there based on their actions in life and likewise the denizens of hell are willingly throwing themselves into the total absence of God).You are basically arbitrarily defining the terms of what you think perfection is (benevolent dictator who enforces a utopia) and then going 'nuh uh, your God doesn't match my strawman so it isn't perfect!'you just don't understand what God being perfect really means or are just deliberately choosing not to. A God that would never allow imperfection to be possible wouldn't be perfect. The only reason this is a stumbling block for you is because you are not truly taking the theology seriously on its own terms and so therefore aren't factoring in the afterlife part which resolves the contradiction. You are not taking seriously that suffering is ultimately trivial or that God absolutely valuing human free will is something he takes seriously.Or the world being allowed to be imperfect isn't as disqualifying a thing in light of the afterlife existing and that humans can derive goodness even out of an imperfect creation due to it still being an emanation of God. In other words, an imperfect creation allows humans to have a meaningful existence in a strange way. God works good through imperfection; this is the meaning of grace.
>>18172031>no, your actions on Earth matter and determine whether or not your soul has chosen the new heavens and earth after the end of time or hell. We are commanded to live following the example of Jesus while alive in the mortal material world and this is paramount. Being saved by grace and the Holy Spirit after accepting Jesus is Lord doesn't mean you'll be saved if you then spend your life being evil afterwards; the epistles explain this. Evil Christians aren't saved.YOUR FUCKING FOLLOWS THE PAUL TEACHING AND YOU SAY BELIEF IS NOT MATTER? NOT PAUL YOUR DICK IS CIRCUMCISED. WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THIS YOU?>since I am a Christian and not a protestant retard I can sidestep the issue of how to justify this entirely and simply state that only the true revealed character of God in Jesus and the things he references matter and that the old testament only matters in so far as it historically justifies and lays the foundation for Jesus' appearance but since it was only written by men it doesn't need to 100% be viewed as infallible or authoritative.YOU ARE FUCKING DUMB SUBHUMAN. JESUS ADMIT THE OLD TESTAMENT HE ADMIT THE AUTHORITY OF MOSES LAWS. YOUR FUCKING SHIT THINK MOSES LAWS FROM WHAT? YAHWEH AND YOU SAY IT IS FUCKING FAKE AND JESUS IS REAL. AND FOLLOW JESUS EXAMPLE. DO YOU FUCKING FOLLOWS THE TEACHING OF HIM LIKE DON'T WASH YOUR HAND TO PURITY YOUR SOULS? YOUR FUCKING LARPING CHRISTIAN?>China is one of the most violent countries on Earth historically and is an ethno-supremacist nation, its charity only extends to them and their own - meanwhile India has no regard for the sanctity of human life at all with people throwing themselves under trains on a regular basis, cannibalism and parading corpses around and living in literal filth on a daily basis so allow me to take any praise you have for this fallen nation with a massive grain of salt.BECAUSE THEY HAVE A FUCKING HUGE NUMBER POPULATIONS. INDIA TOO. THEY BOTH HAVE LONG HISTORY.
>>18172179CONTBUT THE POINT TO SHOWW YOU THAT YOUR RELIGION IS NOT UNIQUE ABOUT CHARITY. THEY APPEARED EVERYWHERE IN HISTORY IF YOU DEEP DOWN AND FOLLOWS AND FUCKING MEGATHENS SAY INDIA BAN SLAVERY TOO. THE MATTER THAT MAKE DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGY AND IDEAL. THEY DON'T HAVE ARISTOTLE TO KNOW WHAT IS REAL WHAT IS FAKE. YOU DUMB FUCKING HISTORYLET. THE IDEAL OF BAN SLAVERY IS NOT UNIQUE IT IS EVEN FROM HERE. NOT YOUR JEW GOD CREAT YOU FUCKING SUBHUMAN.Yes, the Greek ambassador Megasthenes stated that slavery was unknown and banned in the Mauryan Empire during his visit in the 4th century BCE. He wrote in his book, Indika, that all Indians were free and treated foreigners with great consideration. However, some historians argue that he may have overlooked the practice of slavery because it differed from the Greek system or that some of his accounts were inaccurate.
>>18172031YOU ARE TYPICAL E CHRISTIAN YOU BELIVE WHAT YOU BELIVE. THAT IS YOU.
>>18172099ok so children who born and die immediately and go to what limbo fiction realm or what?your fucking e larping christian? if your god perfection creat them to not die like this and allows them a fcuking free will to choose your fucking larping.
>>18172099It's not arbitrary at all man. It is more perfect to be in control of your creations than to not be; sculptures that were not "under the control" of the sculptor would look like shit. I don't think a perfect world would be a "lobotomized dictatorship," but that is the logical end result of any world created by a "perfect" being.>suffering is ultimately trivialThere it is; the suffering doesn't need to be there, and yet it still is. Even if it's on purpose, the decision to willfully allow and inflict suffering is an indication of imperfection. It is a deviation from what is logical, and deviations from logic only result due to shortcomings and imperfections that every being is subject to. Therefore, Yahweh is fundamentally not perfect.
>>18172179>>18172186>YOUR FUCKING FOLLOWS THE PAUL TEACHING AND YOU SAY BELIEF IS NOT MATTER? NOT PAUL YOUR DICK IS CIRCUMCISED. WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THIS YOU?I dunno wtf you mean here exactly but Paul said circumcision wasn't necessary since the whole point is their hearts are circumcized meaning they have tempered their souls/cut off their sinful nature by striving to be Jesus-like on a daily basis>JESUS ADMIT THE OLD TESTAMENT HE ADMIT THE AUTHORITY OF MOSES LAWSJesus sums up the spirit of the mosaic law as being 'do unto others as you want them to do to yourself' and says the greatest commandments are 'love God with your whole heart, soul and mind' and 'love your neighbor' the specifics of the rest don't matter that muchmost likely the mosaic law was the way it was because it was for the hebrews in exile in that local location at the time and the specific laws were for their survival but the overall spirit of the law was to have self-control and treat people well>BECAUSE THEY HAVE A FUCKING HUGE NUMBER POPULATIONS. INDIA TOO. THEY BOTH HAVE LONG HISTORY.why does the size of a population mean clearly immoral behavior and not viewing life as sacred is ok? What an odd point to try to make>BUT THE POINT TO SHOWW YOU THAT YOUR RELIGION IS NOT UNIQUE ABOUT CHARITY. THEY APPEARED EVERYWHERE IN HISTORYthe difference is all these other societies are not uniformly moralistic in a universalist way in all aspects unlike the morality of Christianity and Christian societies that were highly conscientioussure they may have had charity in a few aspects but it was localized and the rest of the society was bad in a load of other ways. It's about the overall moral character of a society notj ust one or two things here and there amongst a sea of barbarism.>>18172196yeah, children who die immediately go straight to heaven I know most Christians don't bite the bullet on this but yes, heaven is awesome compared to here so anyone getting there sooner is good
>>18172223tldr your God isn't like my strawman of what perfect means therefore isn't perfect>I don't think a perfect world would be a "lobotomized dictatorship," but that is the logical end result of any world created by a "perfect" beingexactly, there it is. This is a strawman idea of what perfect means.A perfect God means one who respects the free will of his creations and isn't just purely 'logical' in whatever cartoon pop culture vulcan efficiency way you mean by this that's make it where violating the free will of his creations and forcing them to not suffer is good somehow.
>>18172256It's not a strawman, that is just what perfect means. I don't know why you keep bringing up cartoons and pop culture, but failing to have control (or, for some other reason, feeling the need to forfeit control) of your creations as a god necessarily means imperfection. Which is okay.
>>18172245>I dunno wtf you mean here exactly but Paul said circumcision wasn't necessary since the whole point is their hearts are circumcized meaning they have tempered their souls/cut off their sinful nature by striving to be Jesus-like on a daily basisPAUL SAY FAITH IS MATTER OVER WORK DO YOU UNDERSTAND?>the difference is all these other societies are not uniformly moralistic in a universalist way in all aspects unlike the morality of Christianity and Christian societies that were highly conscientioussure they may have had charity in a few aspects but it was localized and the rest of the society was bad in a load of other ways. It's about the overall moral character of a society notj ust one or two things here and there amongst a sea of barbarism.NO THE DIFFRENT IS RICH GO BACK TO FUCKING CHRISTIAN AFRICA COUNTRY AND SEE WHAT THEY DO YOU FUCKING DUMB SUBHUMAN.>why does the size of a population mean clearly immoral behavior and not viewing life as sacred is ok? What an odd point to try to makeBECAUSE IT MAKE HUGE DAMN KILLER AND CHAOSTIC HISTORY. IT CAN BE GOOD AND CAN BED AND IT HARD TO MANAGE TO GOVERN THAT COUNTRY LIKE THE QING WHO BAN FOOT BINDING BUT THEY DON HAVE TECHNOLOGY AND ENOUGH FORCE TO MAKE THAT LAWS APPROVED TO ALL PEOPLE.
>>18172265>It's not a strawman, that is just what perfect meansyou think violating free will = perfect somehow which is obviously incorrect
>>18172274A perfect god would not need to allow free will. A perfect god would simply have made a being that can make all the correct choices. Ironically, your attempt to make my argument out to be a strawman is, itself, a strawman argument.
>>18172245>Jesus sums up the spirit of the mosaic law as being 'do unto others as you want them to do to yourself' and says the greatest commandments are 'love God with your whole heart, soul and mind' and 'love your neighbor' the specifics of the rest don't matter that much>most likely the mosaic law was the way it was because it was for the hebrews in exile in that local location at the time and the specific laws were for their survival but the overall spirit of the law was to have self-control and treat people wellIT IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE YOU LOVE GOD MEAN YOU FUCKING OBEY THE LAWS TO SOULD AND MIND NOT SOME FUCKING CHERRY PICKING SHIT AND DO YOU WASH YOUR HAND? AND OLD TESTAMENT IS THE PROOF THAT JESUS TO APPEARED TO FULLFILL THE PROPHECY. AND YOU ABANDON THAT YOU ARE NOTHING BUT FUCKING CULTURAL CHRISTIAN. STOP CHERRY PICKING LARPING. JESUS ADMIT YAHWEH IS HIS FATHER AND YAHWEH IS GOD JESUS IS GOD AND DO GENOCIDE.
>>18172245>yeah, children who die immediately go straight to heavenI know most Christians don't bite the bullet on this but yes, heaven is awesome compared to here so anyone getting there sooner is goodDAMN LARPING. NO FUCKING SHIT SAY ABOUT THAT ONLY YOUR FUCKING SHIT OPINION YOUR OPINION IS NOT VALID. GO BACK TO YOUR ROOM AND CREAT YOUR FUCKING RELIONG STOP LARPING BRO.
>>18172245FUCKING LARPING E-CHRISTIAN. ALL YOUR CLAIM IS YOUR OWN OPINION AND YOU CLAIM OTHERWISE LARP PARGAN YOU ARE LARPING.
>>18172273>PAUL SAY FAITH IS MATTER OVER WORK DO YOU UNDERSTAND?it doesn't mean you are saved if you live an evil life but just believe>NO THE DIFFRENT IS RICH GO BACK TO FUCKING CHRISTIAN AFRICA COUNTRY AND SEE WHAT THEY DO YOU FUCKING DUMB SUBHUMAN.Christian African countries are better than they were when non-Christian>BECAUSE IT MAKE HUGE DAMN KILLER AND CHAOSTIC HISTORY. IT CAN BE GOOD AND CAN BED AND IT HARD TO MANAGE TO GOVERN THAT COUNTRY LIKE THE QING WHO BAN FOOT BINDING BUT THEY DON HAVE TECHNOLOGY AND ENOUGH FORCE TO MAKE THAT LAWS APPROVED TO ALL PEOPLE.I can't make sense of what you are saying here because it is written too poorly. I have responded and explained enough to keep responding to your unintelligible sperging. May the Lord have mercy on you and heal whatever affliction has led you to communicate like this.
>>18172277THIS LARPING E-CHRISTIAN CLAIM IMPERFECTION IS PERFECITON BUT SOMEHOW GOD ALLOWS BABY DIE AND DON'T GIVE FREEWILL FOR THEM AND HE THINK THAT IS PERFECTION OF GOD TOO.
>>18172289Stop falseflagging you dork, you're not even good at it
>>18172290>it doesn't mean you are saved if you live an evil life but just believeYES IT IS. IN BIBLE SOME PEOPLE BELIVE JESUS AND BE SAVE YOUR FUCKING DUMB SUBHUMAN STOP INSET YOUR OWN OPINON.>Christian African countries are better than they were when non-ChristianSUBHUMAN COPE YOU SHOW YOUR FACE FOR US. GO BACK AND SAVE YOUR NIGERIA CHRISTIAN BEFORE YOUR MUSLIM ABRAHAMISM BROTHER.>I can't make sense of what you are saying here because it is written too poorly. I have responded and explained enough to keep responding to your unintelligible sperging.May the Lord have mercy on you and heal whatever affliction has led you to communicate like this.STFU YOU SUBHUMAN. YOU ARE DUMB SUBHUMAN YOU DON'T ANSWER ANYQUESTION AND DODGE MY QUESTIONS. ALL YOU DO IS INSERT YOUR OPINION THAT YOU THINK YOUR OWN GOD IS. FUCKING E CATHOLIC.
>>18172293NO I SAY THAT LARP E CHRISTIAN SAY YOU LARP PAGAN BUT HE EVEN DON'T THINK OLD TESTAMENT IS TRUE AND GAY AS FUCK. HE ONLY THINK JESUS IS TRUE BUT THE REASON JESUS RETURN TO THE EARTH BECASUE OF OLD TESTAMENT.
>>18172277>A perfect god would simply have made a being that can make all the correct choicesthat would just be an automaton>A perfect god would not need to allow free willallowing free will is what makes God perfect because it is kind/fair. Your definition of perfect is just wrong and doesn't have a moral or thymotic aspect to it.
>>18172298HE DON'T GIVE BABY FREE WILL AND BABY GO TO WHAT SO YOUR GOD IS GAY AND FAKE AS FUCK. ACCEPT THE REALITY. REALITY IS NOT YOUR FUCKING JEW BOOKS
>>18172298>that would just be an automatonThat's a strawman for what an automaton is. Why should free will necessarily be flawed if it's being issued by a flawless god? How would a human who deliberately makes all the correct choices with their free will be an automaton?>allowing free will is what makes god perfect>allowing you to make choices that will result in god sending you to a realm of punishment is kindYou don't like the definition of perfection because it necessarily means that your god is not perfect. This should not bother you; every god is flawed, including yours. Your definition of kindness is what's "just wrong;" if you give someone free will and then punish them eternally with no chance of escape for using it, you're not being kind at all.
>>18172306>You don't like the definition of perfection because it necessarily means that your god is not perfect. This should not bother you; every god is flawed, including yours. Your definition of kindness is what's "just wrong;" if you give someone free will and then punish them eternally with no chance of escape for using it, you're not being kind at all.HE EVEN DON'T GIVE A FUCKING ABOUT THE DEATH OF BABY. FAKE AND GAY.
personally i believe that its because christianity suggests a spirit world completely divorced from the physical world while I believe they are the same. The material world is divine and holy too, good things here are good. The christian idea im suspicious of because it just seems like a way for the humans who run the religion to steal from the poor by offering them a good afterlife and taking everything from them here.
>>18172306>Why should free will necessarily be flawed if it's being issued by a flawless god?you don't have free will if you cant make the wrong decisions>You don't like the definition of perfection because it necessarily means that your god is not perfect. no, you don't get it. My definition of a perfect God is one who can make all potential reality possible and create the best outcome in the most morally just way. God withholding the possibility of imperfection would mean he isn't perfect because it would imply he can't solve it. A perfect God is one who can make an imperfect reality and then make it where it was never imperfect at the same time. A perfect God is one who can create an imperfect reality and then get a perfect result out of it. A perfect God is one who can make its creations have free will to be imperfect and still give them a perfect result anyway.That's who Yahweh is and what grace means.> if you give someone free will and then punish them eternally with no chance of escape for using ityou and most Christians don't understand the sorting and what going to hell means. People aren't 'sent' to hell, they choose to go there themselves. They're being 'thrown in' because that's what they want.You know how you are adamantly arguing against God right now and feel like you know better etc? What makes you think people like you won't be the same when actually faced with God? A person who goes to hell is someone who says all the things that you (or the anon speging in capslock) are saying right now to God himself. You are stating that you think you would take your chances and choose separation from this Yahweh figure right now. The people who go to hell are throwing themselves into it, willingly.
Christianity has always espoused some form of anthropocentrism. That's why many still fight as hard as they can against teaching evolution in schools; evolution and natural selection hold that humans are just animals like anything else and make it difficult to uphold a lot of christian ideology. The idea that only humans go to heaven stops making sense, and because sins are generally just behaviors more in tune with primitive nature those start to appear meaningless as well. Basically anything except the abrahamic religions demonstrates an implicit understanding that people are just animals like any other member of the animal kingdom.
>>18172327That's protestantsAmerican protestants, to be exact
>>18172325>you don't have free will if you cant make the wrong decisionsIn what way? You're still choosing the right things.>My definition of a perfect god>My definition>My definitionThere we go. The "best outcome in the most morally just way" would be not dooming people to hellfire. Allowing imperfection is the creation of a problem, which is not perfect at all. If I paid you to create humans and I found out you were making them wrong and fucked up on purpose, I would fire you for being a very far from perfect employee.>A perfect god is one who can create an imperfect reality and then get a perfect result out of itA perfect result would be one where nobody is being permanently sealed in a dimension of punishment that cannot be escaped.>people CHOOSE hellYeah man that is yet another thing I get entirely; you were taught that you CHOOSE hell, and I get that. That's blame shifting. Here's a dialog between me and your god, assuming I was subject to him>Oh fuck I'm dead, is that god?Yeah you're fucked my son, you uhhhh jacked off and disagreed with a christian on 4chan lol>Oh what's gonna happen to me?Well you chose hell, so that's where you're going>Nah, I don't wanna go there. I'll just go somewhere else.What happens in that scenario, anon? If it's my choice, obviously I'm not going anywhere near hell. I just simply wouldn't do it, you could not make me choose to jump in. It would always be force making me go. If I'm right, and I am, then your god would make me go there. When a policeman takes you to jail, he is sending you there. It's not your choice; if it was, criminals would not go to jail after being caught. This means that Yahweh sends people to hell. That is part of the christian mythos and has been since christianity was still judaism.
Dw anons, you will all go to Hell, dw about it :3
>>18172372see >>18170121Thank you for bumping.
>>18172374No anon, I wasnt criticizing character, I meant there's no escape from me dragging you to hell :3c
>>18172391joke's on you ghostnigger, I had a pair of gloves and a strap-on blessed by an ordained minister years ago just in case one of you faggots showed up. TRY to drag me to hell and I'll make your ass hurt more than whatever killed you in the first place
>>18172395>GhostDemon God :3Don't sweat it. Just ponder life more. And it all comes naturally. Was all there is made in 7 days? Why good bois go to Heaven? Are doggos in Heaven? They were good bois. What about anime, is anime real there?Is there life out there in space?And so on.
>>18172403corny
>>18172413That was the idea, but... What are your thoughts on 3i Atlas?
>>18172350>In what way? You're still choosing the right things.the fact that the wrong things are possible but closed off from you ever being able to choose them means you wouldn't have free will. This is actually why God needed to put the tree of knowledge of good and evil right there for them to eat from in the garden in the story of Genesis because if this mystical tree bestowing moral choice to humans was just a thing that existed in God's warehouse and humans never knew about it then they wouldn't have free will, they'd just be lab rats in an insulated padded room with only healthy food ever presented in front of them and you would never be able to tell whetehr or not they'd fail a marshmallow test and so the snake could keep saying 'lol but how do you know you made them with free will, how do you know they wouldn't be able to rule over themselves and live without you lmao, this proves I can be able to rule and do a better job than you too'>My definitionbased on my understanding of Christian theology from what the texts, scribes writing exegesis on it and theologians say, yeah>The "best outcome in the most morally just way" would be not dooming people to hellfirenot giving humans the option to reject God entirely would be unjust. 'Hellfire' is just what reality outside of God's protection/presence looks like (which tbf honestly means it's probably even worse than just a literal lake of fire)>A perfect result would be one where nobody is being permanently sealed in a dimension of punishment that cannot be escapedthe whole point is the people who go there are people who can't stand being in God's presence that much, their souls have rejected God and want to get away from him>Nah, I don't wanna go there. I'll just go somewhere else.>What happens in that scenario, anon?if you didn't wanna go to hell that would mean you had accepted God and wanted to be in his presence>then your god would make me go thereyou would want to go there because you hate God
>>18171876>maybe your idiosyncratic 2025 AD pop cultural white woman version is but that isn't the paganism that all those hellenistic jpgs of yours actually representyou are not a pagan, you are just some new 21st century hobbyist/lifestyle thing that isn't paganism. Real paganism (thankfully and well deservedly) is fucking dead. Real pagans were defeated and declared that Jesus Christ is Lord and Yahweh is the one true God.Yes because Christians totally worship exactly the same as they did in the first century right, Jews too the bronze age, Muslims 7th century? They all totally live the same lifestyle from then too right? I'm an openly syncretic polytheist and I've never felt the need to larp to appease Christians. I dont find any of your arguements about everything being Yahweh impressive. No one cares about that stuff if they don't believe it themselves it's not different than be saying everything is Zeus would mean to you. >Real paganism (thankfully and well deservedly) is fucking dead. Clearly not even aside from the millions of Indians there are polytheistic communities popping up all over N America and Europe.>This is why we celebrate Christmas despite it being taken from Yule and Saturnalia and why your coping and seething about it and all the pagan Christian imagery means nothing. Everything in creation belonged to Yahweh to begin with and every pagan of old eventually accepted this fact.Oh well isn't this convenient, as always you can justify *your* picking and choosing
>>18172000Wow this certainly sounds a lot like someone wrote a Jewish manifest destiny book where Yahweh calls them Gods Chosen people.Really makes you wonder what if the Reich survived a few hundred years before being wiped out. Would people buy into their master race nonsense as easily as the chosen people bullshit?
>>18169228Athens did that, not the Greeks as a whole.
>>18169167Islam was pro-sexuality and most of their leaders amassed giant harems and openly allowed for orgies. The shift to hyper conservatism is pretty recent and mostly stems from Wahabbis predominantly from South Asia.
>>18169182okay anakin
>>18172750>if you didn't wanna go to hell that would mean you had accepted God and wanted to be in his presence>you would want to go there because you hate GodWell no, I just wouldn't go. Since god apparently doesn't force anyone to go, I'd just not go. I'll still reject him in this life all I want, but since I can't be made to go, I'll just not go. I choose rejecting god AND not going to hell. This isn't hard to understand.
>>18169167it is the worship of the primordial, nature, man, etc... so they find perfectly fine, with some exceptions
>>18173685>I'll still reject him in this life all I want, but since I can't be made to go, I'll just not go. I choose rejecting god AND not going to hellNo, you don't get it. Because you hate God and reject him that means it's where your soul can't stand being in his presence - as in, it would be psychological torment for your soul to be exposed face to face with the sheer goodness and loving presence of God so you would willingly throw yourself into hell to get away from it since hell would be more bearable. Everything that you hate about God would obviously be magnified times a billion in front of you and permeating through you in his presence and you would intensely feel his love and understand his perfect will and why it's correct automatically, therefore your soul wouldn't be able to take it because of the sheer grief of the fact that you had lived so wrongly against God and how you had come to love anti-God wrongness instead, so you would willingly run into hell and think you deserved hell too once you understood that God's goodness was real and correct.This is why humbling yourself and just accepting that God is right is necessary so your soul doesn't have this reaction and is at peace being in God's presence.
Reading this thread only made feel disgust towards christians and kill what little sympathy I was start feeling for them
>>18169167Paganism is too vague of a term, you're essentially lumping hundreds of disparate beliefs and mythologies into one basket. Some indigenous beliefs were fairly conservative and chaste, others exalted the human form and sensuality, while others were pretty laissez-faire on the matter and considered it as a natural, unremarkable aspect of life.You can see similar divergences in various Christian sects. Some, like the early borborites, were obsessed with sex as an act of creation and consumed semen and menstrual blood as part of their mass. Others, like the skoptsy, viewed sexuality as a mark of shame from the fall of man, and went as far as neutering themselves (man and woman alike) in repentance.
>>18175842I am sorry if my arguments in favor of Christianity have been poor anonthough you ought to consider; the statements and behaviors of the followers of a claim do not invalidate the validity or not of the truth of said claim. Even if most Christians are obnoxious, overbearing, preachy etc this in and of itself does not mean that Christianity isn't true.
>>18169167Same reason Abrahamic gods are obsessed wih collecting male foreskins
>>18170935>The conservative jews, and this is real look it up, fuck their women through a hole in the blanket. That's how ugly these women are.w/e man. you've never been married i guess. by the age of 40 your wife will be old and blown out from age and kids so you just fuck her through a hole like that or by fucking with the lights off.
>>18175576>No, you don't get itI've told you enough times by now that I understand what you're saying completely. I disagree with it.>it would be psychological torment for your soul to be exposed face to faceNo, I'm cool just sitting there>you would willingly throw yourself into hellAlso no, I've said that like 8 times now lol>Everything that you hate about God would obviously be magnified times a billionWhat is obvious about this? >you would intensely feel his love and understand his perfect will and why it's correct automaticallySo then that should mean I'd convert on the spot, meaning I shouldn't go to hell, right? >your soul wouldn't be able to take itMy soul would be fine. I'd probably just convert and walk into heaven if that happened.>you would willingly run into hellNo I've already described the Holy Hobo model to you. I will take up astral heroin and hang out at the gates since it sounds like god is basically a spiritual case worker and doesn't force people to do things.
