Is Hitler worship fading now that European nationalists are getting acquainted with Generalplan Ost and Hitler's views on East Euros?
>>18170333>now that European nationalists are getting acquainted with Generalplan Ost and Hitler's views on East EurosWhat are you talking about?They actively deny it and sweep it under the rug every single time it is brought up to them.Hitler worship is only rising and showing no signs of stopping, because of the image being crafted of him as a White Nationalist.
>>18170358Some prominent nationalists, most notably Keith Woods, have been shitting on Hitler lately. The Hitlerist response, predictably, is either denial of German anti-Slavism or "who cares about Slavs"https://keithwoods.pub/p/nationalism-not-nshttps://keithwoods.pub/p/nationalism-vs-nazism
>>18170333>einsatzgruppen
>>18170371Keith Woods is a literal who while Zoomer Historian's videos reached millions of views by the time he was banned. Zoomer has much more of an influence on the opinions of young people that Woods ever could have.
>>18170333our fight against Hitler was a nationalist fight.
>>18170333Not really. The actual realities do not matter. What matters is that the West has ran a successful campaign on associating every right-wing position with Hitler to shame these groups into submission. However, with each year, the fading memories of the WW2 generations who are slowly dying out and an increasing discontent with the current Status-Quo, a sharp increase in the Nazi's popularity is to be exspected. Now, I doubt Neo-Nazis or any other fascist group will gain power ever again, but I think in near future there will be a small subgroup of people who will worship the nazis like it's already the case in many 3rd-World countries who are not affected by the Social conditioning.
>>18170371Thats all well and good but thats a dangerous path to go down. I bet Woody is going to start quoting Settlers verbatim and wearing dresses ten years down the road. Screenshot this post. I will be vindicated.
>>18170613>you're either a nazi or a trannyWhat caused this political/lifestyle divide in the West?
>>18170422Zoomer has no influence because he's anonymous pussy just like you
>>18170333Its cute how you jews are trying so hard to force anyone who wants whites to exist to be associated with Hitler. Nazis don't exist and nobody worships Hitler. The defeat of the dark by the light will be done in the name of Christ, and not accomplished by the worship of any devil.
>>18170625I would wager this is global by now
There's no such document as "Generalplan Ost". It's only a hypothesis that somehow is treated as a factual document of which we possess at least one copy. This is not the caseJust like there's no "Kill the Jews in the camps with gas" document.You all have been searching for 80 long years for pieces of evidence of something that is not real."The hardest thing of all is to find a black cat in a dark room, especially if there is no cat."
>>18170756>There's no such document as "Generalplan OstThere are still documents that reference it>https://www.ifz-muenchen.de/heftarchiv/1958_3_5_heiber.pdfimplying that it did in fact exist.
>>18170333Seems like they wizened up to the broader r1a problem.
>>18171018>pages 512-513>In the following, however, one question must be touched upon that is not mentioned at all in the Generalplan Ost, but which is the question throughout the entire Eastern world: namely, how and whether German rule can be maintained in the long run in light of the immense biological power of the Russian people. This necessitates a brief discussion of the future treatment of the Russians, who are hardly mentioned at all in the Generalplan. [...] Prof. Abel, in his lecture on this subject at the Eastern Conference of German Science, concluded that there are much stronger Nordic racial influences among the Russians than previously assumed. Besides theseactually Nordic racial elements, the vast majority of which have probably been present in this region, especially in the northwestern Russian territories, for a long time and which cannot be traced solely back to Germanic, especially Varangian, immigrants,there are predominantly light-colored, primitively Caucasoid, more or less long-headed racial types.>In light of the prevalence of Nordic blood, Professor Abel pointed out the particular danger posed by the Russians to the future of our people, and he urgently warned against underestimating them in any way. He explained that the Russians are still a young people who, given their racial composition, might yet be capable of achievements, as demonstrated by the industrialization carried out by the Soviets, the accomplishments of Russian skilled workers, and the like. Since it is biologically far stronger than the German people [...]Why would a Nazi in 1942 flat out say Russians are BIOLOGICALLY superior to Germans?This smells like a Soviet forgery
>>18170333If anything people are realizing more and more how """generalplan ost""" was literally made up by the soviets, along with another famous genocide.
>>18170756Not to mention Hitler had:>Slavic states as allies>Slavic volunteers in the Wehrmacht>Slavic volunteers in the SS>Autonomous Russian zones set up in occupied Russia and ruled by local Russians, with their own army and tank division and everythingAnd I am expected to believe all these Slavs were just genociding themselves, because the Soviets say so?
>>18171086No, but from the real portions of the table talks it's more than evident that in Ukraine and parts of a Russia an apartheid arrangement would exist.Basically do not help the locals develop or reach civilization, but help if you specifically seek you out for a certain medical issue. Also encourage contraception use in their region while discouraging it in the Germanic settlements. So it is ethnic cleansing but in a "humane" way.
>>18171110Yeah, from table talks (which is shaky at best because we know it was tampered with) it seems like he wanted a colonial settler society. Russians would rule themselves, and Hitler seemed to think that no oppression or depopulation was necessary because their natural incompetence would drive them into decline with no malice needed on his part.
>>18171115(This also matches the fact that he set up the Lokot Autonomy, which seems to be based on this idea, and a prototype for future autonomous zones).Also in table talks, Hitler said that he expected Russia to balkanize into peasant republics once it collapsed, and these central-Russian republics would be independent but serve as a buffer against Japan's claims in the east.
>>18171115>>18171119Yeah, Hitler was a reasonable geopolitician, not a Disney villain.
>>18170333>Is Hitler worship fadingnope
>>18171153part 2
>>18170333>Generalplan Ostis there any evidence this plan was actually carried out?>>18170358No, they correctly point out it was a half baked plan that was never taken seriously or implemented.For example, war plan red has specific names, places, timelines, fleets and armies.Generalplan Ost has???? Hitler wrote Catharine the Great was nice because she allowed Germans into Siberia and some German staff officer drew up a contingency plan for hard and fast exploitation of the Baku oil fields.>>18170371>denial of anti-slavismopposite, EVERYONE shitlibs included are "othering" slavs, painting them as violent orcs who arent human.If anything people dislike the Nazis because they were too friendly to the Slavs, allowing the majority of Poles to live, allowing the Ukrainians into the SS, putting together Russian police troops which were used against central Europeans.Slavs destroyed their own PR by acting like subhumans.
>>18171211Didn't they purposefully starve hundreds of thousands on them?Or is the hunger plan fake as well.
>>18171080>Why would a Nazi in 1942 flat out say Russians are BIOLOGICALLY superior to Germans?Nazis believed a lot of weird shit.
>>18171280Germany was a food importer. Britain blockaded food from being imported into Europe through naval embargo. People in Germany were starving too and not as part of some master plan. The Axis actually let starving occupied villages send out international aid requests but the British refused to allowed to let aid through.
>>18170631>Its cute how you jewsEven normie hate jews now because of Israel. Yet somehow this hasn't vindicated Nazis because they were niggers by their own merit. Just like you.
>>18170333most hitler worshippers get their info from memes, social media posts and bitchute videos
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>>18171426most hitler haters get their info from Ehrenberg, the soviet propagandist who infamously wrote a poem about murdering and raping German civilians
>>18171520This is a poem from the same man who compiled all the "holocaust testimonies" for the USSR:Germans are not human beings. Henceforth the word German means to us the most terrible curse. From now on the word German will trigger your rifle. We shall not speak any more. We shall not get excited. We shall kill. If you have not killed at least one German a day, you have wasted that day. If you think that instead of you, the man next to you will kill him, you have not understood the threat. If you do not kill the German, he will kill you. If you cannot kill your German with a bullet, kill him with your bayonet. If there is calm on your part of the front, if you are waiting for the fighting, kill a German before combat. If you leave a German alive, the German will hang a Russian and rape a Russian woman. If you kill one German, kill another - there is nothing more amusing for us than a heap of German corpses. Do not count days; do not count miles. Count only the number of Germans you have killed. Kill the German - this is your old mother's prayer. Kill the German - this is what your children beseech you to do. Kill the German - this is the cry of your Russian earth. Do not waver. Do not let up. Kill."
>>18171303Why should anyone care about Nazis? You jewsare the ones trying to say everyone who wants whites to survive is a nazi.
>>18171604>if you hate Nazis you hate white peopleToo bad that line only works on retarded teenagers with no father figure.
>>18170628He was doxxed a long time ago.
>>18171617Nobody is a nazi and your attempts to label everyone who wants whites to a survive as a nazi is rediculous.
>>18170422Shilling your channel on /his/ now, are we Sam?
>>18170358Let's be honest: Everyone believes in the Hitler that fits his ideology the best, be it in a positive or negative way. No politifag actually researches his history.
fascists need to learn another lesson.
>>18172112WW2 was won by Slavic racial prowessIf it was fought by modern brown antifoids they would get grinded into a mound of minced meat like nonwhites are every time they try to fight the white man
>>18170333>>18170371I like how OP has to create this stupid narrative.Hitler is merely being treated as a historical figure, instead of some deity that certain people try to paint him as since the end of WW2. Hitler worship is just a side effect of that. This of course makes you seethe because you want Hitler to be a deity (of evil) instead of some historical figure, the latter scares you because if Hitler was some deity, then the ideology and his country is just some esoteric thing with nothing to do with reality, its just a prop for the occult, ufo and satanist. As a historical figure, people resonate with him and the ideology because its now tied to real things and has real roots, and also, will have the side effect of causing people to stop caring about Hitler, and even go above that and see that European promoting their self interests by ending immigration, promoting pride in their race, and to stop giving aid to Israel has absolutely nothing to do with WW2. (even scarier for you).
>>18170756>>18171018>Ich habe den Generalplan Ost, der mir insgesamt ganz gut gefällt, angesehen. Ich möchte diesen Generalplan zu irgendeinem Zeitpunkt auch dem Führer übergeben. Dazu ist aber notwendig, daß wir einen Gesamt-Siedlungsplan unter Zusammen-fassung der früheren Pläne für Danzig-Westpreußen, den Warthegau und Ober-schlesien, Südostpreußen und in groben Strichen auch schon für Böhmen und Mähren, sowie miterwähnt Elsaß-Lothringen, Oberkrain und Süd-Steiermark anlegen. Dies müßte alles in einem Gesamtplan auch hinsichtlich der Karten und der Gesamt-Berechnungen zusammengefaßt werden.>I have looked at the Generalplan Ost, which I quite like overall. I would like to hand this Generalplan over to the Führer at some point. However, for this to happen, it is necessary that we create a comprehensive settlement plan, combining the earlier plans for Danzig-West Prussia, the Warthegau and Upper Silesia, Southeast Prussia, and, in broad strokes, also for Bohemia and Moravia, as well as, incidentally, Alsace-Lorraine, Upper Carniola, and Southern Styria. All of this would have to be summarized in a single comprehensive plan, including maps and overall calculations.So if Generalplan Ost didn't exist, then what exactly is the Generalplan Ost that is being referenced here?
>>18171527The USSR employd some Germans tho.This makes your little poem irrelevant.
>>18172338That guy is retarded. There were multiple incarnations of generalplan ost and one of them happens to be the genocide route
>>18172182The Slavic Man marches to victory against westoid hordes
>>18170333>Hitler worship fading nowyes, mostly because all far right and alt right figures are revealed to be zionist puppets
>>18170371Why did it take until 2025 for Hitler fans to find out Hitler hated Slavs? It's right there in Mein Kampf ffs
>If it was fought by modern brown antifoids they would get grinded into a mound of minced meat like nonwhites are every time they try to fight th-ACK
>>18170371>>18170422>>18171917>>18170628I have never heard of kieth woods in my life, and i dont think anybody else has either. Everybody has heard of zoomer historian, people reference him often and there are lots of threads on /his/ about him
>>18170600>the current Status-Quo,The current status quo is a result of 50 years of cold war. Nobody cared about Nazism as early as 1950.
>>18171282It sounds fake to people reading it, since it is not just out of character but opposite to their character. It sounds like “nazis brag about releasing jews from camps out of sheer love, 1943”. Come on.
>>18171280>purposefullyare you implying Germany had but withheld food?Germany didnt have food.The Hunger Plan was just the product of existing in a country that was in a food deficit since 1850.
>>18173354Keith woods is much larger on the online right while zh is a thorn in the side of breadtube and this place is heavily shilled by breadtube.breadtube is obsessed with zh, while Keith is "just another fascist".zh isnt actually a big name in the online right like Keith, he just attracts lefties because hes synonymous with le heckin nazis.
>>18172376Germany employed hundreds of thousands of Slavs during ww2.
>>18173354>>18173791Keith was highly influential in the "dissident right" for years, but he never really broke into the normiesphere, nor the leftwingsphere, even when Elon rexosted some of his stuff.Zoomer has more mainstream appeal and his popularity skyrocketed very quickly. Isn't his channel only like a year old
>>18173801Employed them as what? As slaves by the millions in the Ostarbeiter forced labor program?As soldiers in the SS? That was done late in the war, after Stalingrad, when they wanted cannon fodder, and also because under the Hague Convention, an occupying power could not forcibly conscript the inhabitants of those occupied territories into its regular armed forces, which would have been the Wehrmacht. The SS was not technically part of the German army, so they got around it by creating those non-Germanic SS units, which weren't even considered real SS units. As far as how they treated them, they betrayed the Ukrainian volunteers. And Himmler was clear he didn't see non-Germanics as real SS men.The Latvian SS Legion, which was promised a national independence they would never get and which sang songs about how they will beat the Germans themselves eventually ("After that we'll trounce those blue-grays [Germans], again, again") and who were mostly conscripts?Hiwis, who were mostly POWs who agreed to fight for the Germans to get a better chance at survival and food instead of starving to death or being enslaved?Maybe you mean the RONA Russian Liberation Army, whose first and only combat action was defecting immediately to the Allies and fighting the Germans in the Battle of Prague and who Himmler laughed at privately as useful idiots that the Germans could trick into dying for them in the Posen speech?Why wouldn't they want more "subhumans" as cannon fodder anyways? What is this supposed to prove? Slavs overwhelmingly volunteered for the Red Army against the Germans, and a lot of those who volunteered for Germany were under duress to do so.
>>18171617Everyone knows that when you guys say nazi you say white peopleThe people that hated nazis won WW2 and as result Europe is flooded with shitskins Ironically only the Soviet part of Europe is spared Gives merit to Goebbels preference for communism over capitalism lol
>>18174349>and also because under the Hague Convention, an occupying power could not forcibly conscript the inhabitants of those occupied territories into its regular armed forcesSo you're saying the Germans followed international conventions on warfare, hmmmm very interesting
>>18172710Notice how Vietnam is renowned for being a meat grinder where Americans slaughtered the natives in their own land, and since they realized it would be too costly to occupy the territory just turned them into mounds of burning napalm to mark an example and leftWW2 was a racial war between slabs and Germans.Like the ones the European tribes always had Germans wanted Slavic land and Slavs stood their groundThere is no more science behind.If nazis had directed their firepower to Africa or wherever they would have ended them
>>18174642No, the real origin of ww2 was that ww1 left a large amount of Germans outside of Germany in newly formed countries selecter by the Allies to have anti-German governments which persecuted Germans, and then hypocritically called it "national self determination". So when the Germans rearmed they began negotiating for these Germans to be allowed to rejoing Germany. This butthurt Britain and France. Due to sea blockade by Britain, food and oil wasn't making its way into continental Europe and people were starving, so they went to go invade Russia to claim Ukraine (the breadbasket of Europe) and Caucasus (the oilbasket of Europe) which would let them continue fighting the british and also coincidentally oust a universally hated tyrannical communist government responsible for the red terror which shocked all of Europe.
>>18171211>is there any evidence this plan was actually carried out?There's no evidence that this 'plan' every existed, let alone carried out.
>>18170333>Is Hitler worship fadingwhat Hitler worshipkekA reminder that one schizo here is doing all the Hitler traffic
>>18171080Hes clearing referencing the higher population of Russians compared to Germans. Unless you're pretending to be retarded, in which case you got me
>>18170333They don't give a single fuck.They are larpers who know nothing about actual history. The ones who do know just cope with he was wrong about Slavs but right about the Jews or some other brainlet-tier rationalization. The ones who don't know will just call it Allied propaganda.The idol is the strong man and owning the libs. Boring details of a 80-year-old plan do not matter.
>>18170333Where is German woman? Looks fake
>>18175344Jews are a scapegoat when it's the Slavic KGB responsible for the world's problems. If anything Hitler was a Slav agent who tried to shift blame to the Jews
This is how Zoomer Historian addressed this in a recent interview >"What role do ideology and politics play in shaping “official” history?">ZH: It depends on the era, but obviously my channel has been rather World War 2 focused and in that case the entire history is ideological and political. Britain destroyed her Empire and essentially destroyed herself in the process of fighting that war and ever since we’ve had to tie ourselves in knots to defend our actions. I think addressing that topic directly cuts right to the heart of the issue if we are to make any changes to the current suicidal course we are on. Some disagree with this, I know Keith Woods fairly recently wrote a big piece on the topic on his substack. I couldn’t disagree more. The entire worldview which we are meant to operate under springs from that exact conflict. It needs to be confronted. This does not mean that we need to make Hitler a saint or justify everything he did, but we need to confront the issue and drop the cope. Anti-White political types will never ever stop labelling Nationalists Hitler or National Socialists and so there is no use in allowing them to forever remain these irredeemable bogeymen. Hitler needs to be Napoleonised. People can feel strongly either way but there needs to be nuance so the Fuhrer’s very name isn’t the embodiment of evil otherwise we’ll never get anywhere. The Kaiser and Napoleon have both already had to overcome this to a lesser extent.
>>18170333no, considering russia's latest aggresion against europe it is increasing.
>>18171070>wizened up
>>18175370What the moron doesnt realise is that hes making it worse by being so vehemently biased and filling his videos with obvious propaganda. It only infects the debate more and make nuance more difficult.There are strong arguments to be made that challenge the current popular narrative but to go at it the way ZH does is retarded because it's so easy to tear down his position as seen here on /his/ whenever one of his faggot viewers tries to make his argument but cannot rationally defend it when tested in a debate.So yeah, hes a retard and a narcistist and an autist, and he does more harm than good. Fuck him.Also he couldnt rationally explain how ww2 ended the British empire since far more compelling arguments can be made that the British empire was already in rapid decline prior to ww2 and was inevitable at that point.All he can do is parrot whatever Irving says but he has no clue himself.
>>18172388they were all genocidal, but nazis also wrote in euphemisms about genocide, apparently the SS draft that didn't survive (the one Himmler and Wetzel were writing about) was the most explicit about the sort of mass killing it would entail
>>18172338>>18177435The US had a plan to genocide ethnic Russians, this is not a great crime against humanity to have a contingency plan in the case of war.>ITS LE HECKIN EVILno its not, its realism, its just what Massive Industrial Nation-States do when survival is at stake.This is not a might makes right statement, it is just a fact about the emergent behaviors of large scale powerful organizations.>dat means we should be gommunists and have no states to preserve lifeThis is what shitlibs believe and its the gayest thing in the world and ironically leads to more suffering than anything the Nazis or Americans could come up with.
>>18177622>this is not a great crime against humanity to have a contingency plan in the case of war.correct, I'm glad you agree there was nothing wrong with the Morgenthau Plan
>>18177628Nta but the Morgenthau plan didn't involve ethnically cleansing Pomerania or all of Silesia. It was actually less extreme than what the Soviets implemented
>>18177630I know, it was just a plan to deindustrialize Germany and make it agricultural and militarily weak. But /pol/ lies about it being a plan for German genocide.
>>18177631Well it did involve ethnically cleansing East Prussia but the same happened in our timeline too
>>18177632But ethnically cleansing Poland and Russia was cool. Got it.
>>18177640I didn't make any value judgments. I'm not Slavic or German so unlike you I don't have a personal stake in this
>>18177642You might be that pan-german germanophile anglo on here who hates Poles and screams about how much he wants them to die on a daily basis, so I'm not so sure about that
>>18177646I'm Chinese dumbfuck. You're clearly Polish though lol
