>>18173656
>whenever you touch on a sensitive subject
Like what?

>>18173656
There is no evidence of Jesus Christ actually existing,

All gods are mythologies
All holy books are fictional

>>18173666
About life in general, the hardship, the unfairness, the terribleness, the horrors of possibilities.
Can't even have proper misotheistic discussions.
It's just such a narrow minded childish cope, where everything is explainable with no room for supernatural elements.

>>18173656
They a priori reject the possibility of the supernatural so they don’t want to accept belief in whatever account has supernatural elements. They think it’s all mythologized from that assumption.

To make an atheist consider any religion seriously you have to get them to concede the possibility of the supernatural existing. Without that they’ll just keep quipping about flying spaghetti monsters because that’s how (non)seriously they take any religious claims. It’s all bullshit to them otherwise.

Any serious atheist believes he existed they just don't buy his backstory

>>18173686
It's not a choice to be fair, they have to reject it to that extent (the supernatural) otherwise Christianity just bulldoze right in and they are left naked. The irony is that they are the reason for this dilemma to begin with.

>>18173681
>About life in general, the hardship, the unfairness, the terribleness, the horrors of possibilities.
I'm an atheist, feel free to ask more specific questions on the topics (or other ones that oyu like) and I'll give you earnest answers.

>>18173695
All you have to do is prove the supernatural is real (you can't).

Oh well, Christianity is banned in schools, have fun losing I guess.

>>18173695
I'd sooner think sorcery is real than Christianity. There's a lot of reasons I find Christianity implausible even within a supernatural framework.
t. fedora

I feel like every discussion eventually boils down to that over the top language where one person is accused of being evil satanic satan worshipper and the other one is accused of believing in fairies and flying pink unicorns. And both parties are screaming being blue in the face while accusing the other. That is why I just avoid debating in the first place.

>>18173719
>>18173725
It's not just sorcery stuff, this makes me realise atheism not only doesn't require much thought, but that in itself is a requirement.
You have everything explained from the beginning to the end don't you? Lol.
The cope is as absurd as reality itself. Don't know how sane people get into it.

>>18173730
Yeah, no believer will ever have their faith shaken by spamming unicorn, it's just them telling themselves. Or the other convert by such and such.
There's a disconnect definitely.
No room for confused people.

>>18173732
Hey, if you even think about preaching a Bible verse in my kid's classroom I'm going to sue you (and win). Have fun losing I guess.

>>18173706
How do you deal with conflicting moral systems? If you have one moral belief and someone else has a contradictory moral belief, how do you determine which is (more) morally correct to follow?

>>18173706
I'm a believer myself, if I get into an accident or an emergency of some kind, yes, I'd cry out to Jesus.
But there's also a lot of things I don't understand, I'm not as offended by atheists as I used to be, I can understand where they're coming from, I can emphasize to put it bluntly.

I'm just going through cognitive dissonance, real utter confusion, conflicting reality.

>>18173732
This post made me realize that you literally can't read. None of what you said is a response to >>18173725.

>>18173751
Might makes right, that's the law of nature, there is no morality

>>18173759
Jesus lets thousands of children die in agony each day, he's not going to bother to save you, because he's not real

It's a clarify of confusion.
>I'm not the author of confusion.
That's what I'm talking about.

>>18173767
watch out everybody, we got a warlord here

>>18173771
>clarify
*Clarity

>>18173751
I obviously have a preference for the morals that I've inherited from the culture/society that I grew up in, so if I come across directly opposing views then I just prefer my own. That's mostly on an emotional level but you can rationalize morals to a "higher" level, like valuing individual freedom very highly and then you can make assessments what choices or societal norms promote or curb individual freedom for example.
>>18173759
>I'm just going through cognitive dissonance, real utter confusion, conflicting reality.
About what, more specifically?

Christianity serves one purpose, to molest kids in churches, make money and support Israel. It does nothing else. It doesn't provide morals, it doesn't help anyone and prayers go unanswered.

>>18173775
War is the solution to everything. Isn't that what your god is all about? He plans to wage the war of Armageddon and kill everyone he doesn't like.

>>18173781
join the army then

>>18173777
You can probably guess.
The truth of the Bible, who wrote it? What's the agenda? Is it even possible without God behind it?
What do you do if you found out God is gray (evil)?

>>18173787
I don't serve Israel like you Christcuck

>>18173789
big mouthed loser

>>18173788
I'm not necessarily insisting it is if that was how it was interpreted, but those are the questions you are left with after questioning it.

>>18173788
I'm not Bible scholar but isn't the idea that it's a collection of different writers, both in the sense that it takes content from different people (like Paul the Apostle) but also in the sense that different editors have reworked it over many years? As for the agenda it's probably very straightforward, to promote the faith and to collect the doctrines and teachings into a more coherent, single point.
>What do you do if you found out God is gray (evil)?
I don't believe in God. My understanding of Christianity isn't perfect but can God even be evil? Isn't his actions (even if they are punitive like the flood) good by definition, since he is the source of goodness etc? Anyway, if I believed in him and found out that he was 'evil' (by modern standards) then the sensible thing would be to worship him regardless. Heaven and hell and all that.

I'm not so sure anymore. But it's all I know. There is literally nowhere else.

>>18173671
Mohammad on the other hand is the most documented man in history.

>>18173796
>it's a collection of different writers, both in the sense that it takes content from different people (like Paul the Apostle) but also in the sense that different editors have reworked it over many years
That just makes it worse, as in realistic.
You have one will, all the prophecies, it's explosive growth after the resurrection especially given circumstances and all that. The way it is written in such a way where Israel's history cannot be parsed from God.
It has to have happened in the past.
That's the only way I can make sense of it all. Even with personal things like shame, sin, inherent values and all that.

>>18173816
*parsed apart from
Cont.
But seeing and experiencing the world as it is, in your face, with His relentless absence, and the tragedies.

It gives me actual headache.

>>18173816
I understand what you mean but multiple people collaborating on the same project/collection of ideas does not necessarily make the claims of the project true. Jesus could've just been a particularly successful cult leader and subsequently he has had many followers over the centuries that contribute to the teachings, no supernatural stuff required.

>you touch on a sensitive subject which is related to the reason for atheism to begin with
>sensitive subject
Why are you expecting a measured response to a sensitive subject?

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How about when we do but point out he looked something like this?

>>18173831
That's easy if you didn't grow up Christian.
I don't think I can even physically stop believing, but I cannot even be sure anymore.
I envy unbelievers at this point.

>>18173849
>Erm... but actually Jesus was UGLY
That's the best you morons have?

>>18173854
>answering my question with another question
I asked first.
>I raise a question and it's seen as an affront
Christians really do have a persecution complex.
Besides, it is in keeping with how he's described in the Bible.
Isaiah 53:2
>For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness
Apparently Hank does have a point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nPLAlqsWgM

>>18173882
I don't care how Jesus looked, and some artist's rendition isn't how he looked anyway. All you have is calling him ugly, which is pathetic.

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>>18173851
This is a bit of a detour but pic related is a cult leader of a Japanese cult called Aum Shinrikyo, you might've heard about them doing a terrorist attack where they released Sarin gas at a train station. Anyway, the attached pictures is the leader demonstrating his powers of levitation. His followers believed that he did have supernatural powers. More skeptical people might say "...obviously he jumped/pushed himself off the ground and they briefly took that blurry photo while he was momentarily in the air, right? He's not ACTUALLY sustaining levitation." This cult was founded in 1984 so all of this is VERY recent in an age full of skeptics, but nonetheless this cult managed to get a bunch of followers. Now, I respectfully don't want to slander your messiah and compare him to (what I consider to be) an obvious con-man who's responsible for a terrorist attack, but in a similar vein you might imagine how people hyped up Jesus' alleged powers or feats, and how people might've been less skeptical back then or how stories got amplified through a game of telephone over decades, possibly even centuries. Weird cults pop up all the time and they're full of followers who believe their leaders have supernatural abilities, they'll testify and (sincerely) swear to it but to an outsider it looks like such an obvious con. There's a strong possibility that Jesus was just one of these guys who started a cult or a movement, though the way he and his teachings are described obviously makes him appear to be a much nicer person compared to a late 20th century cult leader who wants to get rich quick and bang the wives of his followers.
Anyway, it's getting late and I need to go to bed so this will be my last post of today, good talking to you. Hope you solve your crisis of faith.

Also even if you were to say that Christianity is false, the God still cannot be exempt from the issues, so it's not all that helpful.

>>18173891
>Hope you solve your crisis of faith.
Haha, it's a clarity of confusion unless reality tells me otherwise.
Until then.

>>18173693
There are literally millions of people named Jesus in various languages around the world, doesn't make the bible true

>>18173889
>I don't care how Jesus looked
I think you do.
>All you have is calling him ugly, which is pathetic
I didn't say anything like that.
At best I referenced how he isn't really attractive as per the Bible verse.
Also, all this hang up on appearance rather than the fact that he doesn't look as White as is depicted in religious iconography.
Will we ever see this rendition used in Christian art?

>>18173656
>Just dragging down the level of discourse by being two steps behind.
Welcome to the internet, everyone does this and sooner or later you will notice yourself doing it too. Being dense is a natural defense mechanism.

>>18173671
Not the consensus of historians.

>>18173905
Huh?

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>>18173656
>it's the year 2604, how come unbelievers STILL don't believe in our lord and savior Harry Potter despite how He was documented in SEVEN books?!
>the books even make mention of a train station that actually existed, all prominent historians agree on that
>not to mention the countless tales you will find about Him on the old extranet
>i mean sure, some of those may have been made up, but don't they realize that such an extent of admiration all but confirms that The Boy Who Lived must have actually lived?
>it just boggles the mind that some people can be so obstinate as to think it was all made up

>>18173950
Basically
>Gnostics
>Christians
>Atheists
I don't agree with Gnostics for the reason stated here >>18173893 but it helps gets the point across.

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>>18173993
Beyond Gnosticism, meaning 3 steps behind.

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>>18173986
Harry Potter can be parsed apart from actual history though. Don't think you can do that with the Bible with the history of Israel, written by 40 different authors over a period of 1500 years in three languages on three continents.
Also the image you used is like a black calling whites violent.

>>18173656
well we dont mostly think that he doesnt exist or sum. but uk that shit is js unrealistic af. not js only christianity but also other religion.

>>18174039
It's the most realistic which is precisely the issue.

I think we can be sure we will either live in revelations or Christianity will die in this generation, definitely won't make past the 21 century.

>>18173910
>THIS IS WHAT JESUS LOOKED LIKE, AN UGLY BROWN MAN!!
>Okay? Fuck off retard
>WHY DO YOU CARE SO MUCH JESUS WAS UGLY
Fuck off retard.

>>18173767
>
Perfectly said and i'll add that society makes morale not god or gods

>>18173794
damn ad hominin being used

>>18174049
>2 more weeks and Christianity will die out, heebsister, trust the plan!

>the most documented person in history
>all of them are either guy claiming he knew a guy who knew a guy who knew a guy who saw jesus
>out right forgeries that christians still fall for
>a literal case of I saw it in a dream

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>>18173730
>"Over the top"
>But your side actually does believe in magic powers.

>>18174133
>guy claiming he knew a guy who knew a guy who knew a guy who saw jesus
Half of the Gospels are from disciples that directly knew Jesus personally (Matthew and John). The other two are from their students (Mark and Luke). There are no more than 2 degrees of separation between any of the Gospels and Christ.
>out right forgeries that christians still fall for
Like which books? There were plenty of forgeries that the ancient Church fathers knew about. That’s why those books are not canonical. If you want to claim the canonical books are forgeries than you’ll need to actually provide a case for it.
>a literal case of I saw it in a dream
Have a feeling you’re referring to Paul here. His testimony states he was awake during his conversion experience, because he was walking down a public road between cities at the time of his vision.
If you mean something else please elaborate. I’m down to explain.

>>18174175
>>But your side actually does believe in magic powers.
Why can't you accept that?

>>18174193
Because you consistently fail not only to demonstrate the existence of magic powers, but this who claim to always with 100% certainty turn out to be frauds. You have had centuries and have been unable to demonstrate any magic powers. The burden of proof is on you and you have been unable to deliver.

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>>18174203
It's not up to us but God, wouldn't it?

>>18173671
Claims that there is more evidence for Jesus existing than Julius Caesar and such are absurd, but it's just as ridiculous to say there there is no evidence at all pointing towards Jesus' existence. You might not find it compelling, but it exists.

>>18173686
I don't think that's any more true than the opposite. In my experience, theists ultimately tend to have an unshakable gut feeling in the existence of the supernatural and go from there. Most people in general are also not very comfortable challenging their own beliefs, and will only seek out information that affirms them.

>>18173730
There are also the ones where people just regurgitate arguments they've heard from people they idolize while failing to engage with the person they're speaking to or even to really understand what they themselves are saying.

>>18174203
>You have had centuries and have been unable to demonstrate any magic powers.
To whom? There have been thousands of miracles and most of yall just go "idk , it's probably fake, whatever" lol. To meet the bruden is on us. To articulate the burden is on you, because you're the one evaluating if it's met. So tell me, after "you ahve had centuries", what precise criteria for scientifically concluding existence of magic have you come up with?

>>18174245
I think you meant onus of proof?

>>18174251
I don't care which bodypart you use for it

>>18174056
Again, getting hung up on looks.
The reason why it's ever brought up isn't really having to do with whether Jesus was comely or not, (he wasn't according to Isaiah) but that he wasn't actually isn't really White. Caucasian would be more accurate.
At any it really does seem like that's what you're interested attacking as the counter argument when it's not really my argument or any atheist's.
Although there is something that could be said about being upset with addressing his appearance.
I personally, I don't think he looks all that bad. He looks kind of average, like how Isaiah put it.
He'd look better by more modern conventional standards with a shave and a hair cut. I think he'd clean up decently.

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>>18174245
James Randi issued a challenge to provide a demonstration of actual magic to him.
Whoever succeeded would have been rewarded with a million dollars.
James Randi passed away in 2020.
No one had been able to succeed in his challenge.

>>18174290
>James Randi passed away in 2020.
Then either he's not the person I'm talking to, or he should grant the million to whoever summoned him to 4chan.
I'm asking you, Anon. What precise criteria for scientifically concluding existence of magic have you come up with?

>>18174322
>What precise criteria for scientifically concluding existence of magic
Oh, I'm arguing against it.
I thought you were arguing the existence of magic.

>>18174326
What I'm saying is that it's intellectually dishonest to pretend like you're open to evidence while not having the slightest idea what criteria the evidence would have to pass, which is what is happening with >>18174203 and online atheists in general.

Imagine there is magic. How would you find out? ("Idk bring me something impressive" is not an answer.)

>>18174334
>What I'm saying is that it's intellectually dishonest to pretend like you're open to evidence while not having the slightest idea what criteria the evidence would have to pass, which is what is happening with >>18174203 and online atheists in general.
Science itself really.
For awhile even given that anything could be recorded was a pretty good assessor of the super natural. But, now with AI, it's becoming more difficult to tell what's real and what's fake anymore.
>Imagine there is magic. How would you find out? ("Idk bring me something impressive" is not an answer.)
Lot's of things that are impressive are not magic. So, bad example.
The Bible does say that in an instance Jesus had cursed a fig tree to whither and rot he told his apostle when questioned about that having happened that they were capable of doing the same. An example given was to pray for a mountain to jump into the ocean.
Those are something.
For that matter they are more impressive than that instance where Shifu replenishes a flower with his chi or when Yoda lifted an X-wing from the swamp with the force.

>>18173751
>How do you deal with conflicting moral systems? If you have one moral belief and someone else has a contradictory moral belief, how do you determine which is (more) morally correct to follow?
Maybe you should check your own moral beliefs and ask yourself if they are really biblical or christian morals and if they are christian then investigate if they are really in the bible or something that the church invented?

>>18174347
>Science itself really.
QED. Atheists have no idea how scientific empiricism works out in practice.
>anything could be recorded
Many supposed miracles were. What did the atheists do? Shrugh their shoulders and say "idk what I'm supposed to do with that".
?>("Idk bring me something impressive" is not an answer.)
> to pray for a mountain to jump into the ocean. Those are something.
Great, how would you scientifically determine it was the prayer that affected it?

>>18173656
>t. starts yapping about trannies when an atheist is winning the argument

>>18174363
There is a philosophical question to be had here.
The nature of objectivity and what it encompasses it.
In this instance, the existence of magic. From what can be generally gathered: it does not exist. For it to be recognized as existing, it would indeed need something not merely "impressive," but exceedingly so. Or, to put it another way 'super.' As in 'supernatural.'
It has to be extraordinary. Because such claims require that level of evidence.
But, if you're insisting in empiracism like in science, then raise the question in >>>/sci/.
But, you're seemingly more interested in atheists, or skeptics in this case because that's more to the point of who would raise such questions about the existence of magic, miracles, or the supernatural.
Yes, I know we can be both. But when arguing the supernatural in general, the skeptic hat is usually put on.

>>18173800
The most documented human in history is Chris-Chan, and that's not even an exaggeration

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>>18174915
Truly, how much room do we have as historians to reasonably doubt the historicity of Chris-Chan? Perhaps we shall usher in the new age of historical critical analysis upon the most worthy of historical subjects.

>>18175162
kek

>>18173671
>There is no evidence of Jesus Christ actually existing,
Mental illness.

>>18174915
>>18175162
>>18175181
Get your head caved in you edgelord piece of shit.

>>18175241
I see we have struck a nerve on a Chris-Chan apologist. Weak rhetorical usage of "edgelord" being deployed ad hominem here has no bearings on the plausibility of our doubts on the historicity of Chris-Chan, so I fear that we may very well soon reach a consensus in academia that favors our thesis.

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>redditorian faggotry out of nowhere

>>18173656
Maybe the discourse is already bottom-tier when the starting argument is sky daddy real because book say so? The FSM is a litmus test. If you can't see how Intelligent Design for your specific god is just as absurd as an invisible pasta monster, you are not two steps behind, you are not even on the same board. We disappear because you failed the test and it's not worth playing chess with a pigeon.

>>18173656
But where did the god go? Not his son. In the stories he didn't die and he didn't fall asleep in the end. He just stopped doing anything interesting for thousands of years. Even his most devout believers in medieval times recorded nothing happening while praising him constantly and waiting for something to happen.

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>>18175304
No, you just think it works. And you're curious, aren't you? Testing out the waters and all.
But it begs the question:
Are you genuinely retarded or disingeuous as usual (rhetoric)?

>>18175333
Why doesn't it work?

>>18175335
Alright, answer my questions and don't leave alright?

What would /his/ be like without childish browns that unironically believe that Mary playing peekaboo with nuns is a better way to express the obvious truth of Christianity than, I dunno, spontaneously curing a child cancer ward or leper colony o algo

>>18175339
/his/ would have less Christians as a result

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>>18175339
>>18175350
>Leave reddit alone.

>>18175364
You unironically believe that the best expression of an almighty god's presence on our earth involves the mother (?) of that entity playing peekabo with nuns that already believe in his presence.

How did we go from an almighty god sending twelve plagues to egypt to making some statue shoot titty milk anyway

>>18175372
Accidental reply to the "everything is reddit" bot?
>You unironically believe that the best expression of an almighty god's presence on our earth involves the mother (?) of that entity playing peekabo with nuns that already believe in his presence.
Nah, it's just the evidence for miracles is rather lacking for atheists (or potential future atheists) and thus retards resort to emotional appeals to try to convince Christians to stay as Christians.

>>18175382
>and thus retards resort to emotional appeals to try to convince Christians to stay as Christians
Why would atheists try to convince christians to be christians? Is god endorsing saarposting now?

>>18175339
>>18175372
What a disingenuous "argument"

>>18175396
What's the genuine argument for an almighty god proving his presence on earth by making statues shoot titty milk or playing peekabo with nuns instead of, as mentioned previously, spontaneously curing child cancer wards
>Yeah ok but those kids made a snotty remark about their parents once, they deserve to slowly rot from the inside until they die a painful death...o algo

>>18174023
>1500 years
Lmao no it wasn't. It was mostly written around 500 BC by Jews in Babylon kvetching their shithole tribal kingdom got conquered and then cobbled together in a coherent form around 300 BC. The oldest parts are from no older than 800-1000 BC. Nobody seriously believes the Bible is that old just like nobody believes Jewish fairytales like the Exodus literally happened.

>>18175402
Who cares what you have to say, fag.

>>18175412
Why does a benevolent god chose to make statues shoot titty milk instead of curing cancer in kids?

>>18175421
Reboot.

>>18175424
>No patients in child cancer wards were spontaneously cured of cancer after this post

>>18175427
Got it, jeet.

>>18175427
I now believe in God. Fuck children.

>>18175432
>Fuck children
Father O'Lafferty pls

>>18174023
>Harry Potter can be parsed apart from actual history though.
We know many of tbe mesopotamian or levantine origin stories of many of the biblical stories like the flood myth and even Enoch coming from mesopotamian flood myths and a mesopotamian king list that describes the great-grandfather of the Noah figure walking with a God. The creation story is based on other middle eastern creation story except that the Tiamat character Tehom being changed to being subservant to Yahweh. The forbidden story also seems to be based on other stories of forbidden fruit most of them from underworld stories. The snake on the tree with the fruit resembles the greek story a the golden apples of the Hesperides. It is very likely that other levantines like the phoenicians had similar story, the name of the dragon Ladon even resembles the name of an ugaritic dragon with seven heads called Lotan.
Lotan itself is very similar to the Leviathan a biblical gigantic dragon who is slain by Yahweh. That part about the Leviathan being slain by Yahweh resembles the story of Lotan being slain by Hadad-Baal in the ugaritic Baal cycle.
The story of Moses in a basket on a river who is found by someone and raised by them resembles some myths about Sargon of Akkad. Of course not the entire Moses story is based on Sargon only this part. But if this part is based on a Sargon myth then what else of his life story is based on other myths of legendary figures we don't know about because their sources disappeared?

>>18174190
>Half of the Gospels are from disciples that directly knew Jesus personally (Matthew and John). The other two are from their students (Mark and Luke). There are no more than 2 degrees of separation between any of the Gospels and Christ.
No proof for that.

>>18174190
>Half of the Gospels are from disciples that directly knew Jesus personally (Matthew and John).
Academic biblical historians are quite sure that Matthew is based on Mark and that John is based on the three other gospels.

>>18173656
Jesus is in no way the most documented figure of antiquity; Caesar and Alexander easily surpass him

>>18174190
The gospels of john and matthew never claim to be written by either; john explicitly mentions multiple authors

Check out Israel Anderson, two gardens and a snake.

>>18175639
It's the sort of thing that frankly I don't think it is possible to objectively rank. How do you value coins with a guy's face on it? How many points is each independent author worth? If an author mentions something from another source that is lost is that two sources? What's a stele worth? Are some writers worth more than others as evidence? And that's before you get in to bad faith arguments.
If you count texts written by a guy as documentation that he existed then its probably John Chrysostom or some other dude who spent his life writing shit that no one reads.

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>>18173656
because the bible is obviously just fairy tales and nothing in it is real

>>18175695
>But this is the old testament. We christians believe in the new testament.
>ignores that Jesus quotes the old testament, ignores that he talked about Adam and Noah as if they were real figures
>accisentally argues for gnosticism or marcionism while condemning these religions as heresies
>claims that attacking YEC or Noah's flood is low hanging fruit and shows that atheists and other non-christians don't want to debate real theologies but praises people like Jay Dyer who unironically believe in creationism and vegetarian lions before the flood

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>>18175703
This new meme where atheists insist Christians are somehow AFRAID and PISSING and SHITTING OUR PANTS at the mere mention of YEC is just.. well.. insistent.

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>>18175382
>Is reddit
>Gets called reddit

>>18175748
Do you believe in creationism or not?

>>18173656
>Be compassionate deity that wants to save as many people as possible in world you created and have perfect knowledge of.
>Know America, a completely alien continent with no chance of organixally knowing the gospel until millennia after the fact exists.
>Know this continent is actively being frequented by demons
>Wholly capable of helping them.
>Choose to transverberate random sandniggers with holy breastmilk and sanctified foreskin for a thousand years instead.

>>18175743
Do you have any proof that he used to be an agnostic? There is too much lying going on in christian apologetics.
>Peter Erbacher
I couldn't find much about him but apparently he is a creationist. Do you really trust such people?
>Nelson Glueck (June 4, 1900 – February 12, 1971) was an American rabbi, academic and archaeologist.
A rabbi? Do you really trust a jewish rabbi to be unbiased?

Also what I found out about him contradicts your claims:

>Glueck developed a passion for religion early in life, and was ordained as a Reform rabbi in 1923. He received his Ph.D. from the University of Jena in Germany in 1926. By 1928 he was a member of the Hebrew Union College faculty, teaching at the seminary of the Reform Jewish movement.

Christian apologetics seem to be all based on lies.

>>18175795
I don't think you can believe in young earth without believing creationism, can you, retard?

>>18175857
What are you even going on about?
Why do you feel the need to reply if you have nothing of worth to say?

>>18173746
Christianity is literally growing in number and on the rise again. In fact if you search it christianities growth rate is higher than the world population growth rate.

Christianity is growing faster than humans are reproducing.

Have fun losing haha

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The conclusion is to just stop thinking too much about it and go back to trolling basic bitch fagtheists.

>>18173789
>I don’t serve Israel
>hates Jesus

Damn who else really hates Jesus?

Christians have been hating on Jews since in founding. Neo cons pretending to be Christian to grift boomers because Israel pays them is not inherently christian.

>>18175917
>The conclusion is to just stop thinking too much about it
>just be brainless cattle
This shows the reality of religion especially abrahamism.

>>18175915
>In fact if you search it christianities growth rate is higher than the world population growth rate.
Maybe it has to do with half of Africa is christian? Have you thought about it? I think you don't care becsuse you like muh based niggers.

>>18175927
It’s also growing among young zoomers and gen alpha will soon join.

Yes Christianity growing in africa is good because that means there will be less Muslims there. Less Muslims is always good.

Have fun losing

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>>18175751
>believed in the rapture
kek, fools write themselves

>>18173656
A lot being written by a subject doesnt make it real or existant. Like ood perfect numbers, unicorns, dragons, the holohoax, jewish zombies etc

>>18173656
He existed but he was just a man.

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>>18176040
It's still on retard.

>>18176097
Or all human history and space. Both are complete fabrications.

Nothing can be proven. Reports and studies can be faked easily, images can be faked even easier. The worlds of people presenting institutions were meticulously crafted and edited before being allowed to brought before the public.

There is no truth or validity around you only. The show they wish you to see.

>>18176120
Do even "they" know doe?

>>18173656
>well documented
the bible doesnt count

>>18173671
Mythologies are extrinsic musings of intrinsic phenomena. So it’s very real actually. It’s a direct reflection of human experience. It’s not fiction in the way you think of fiction.

>>18173686
Myth is supernatural just by its existence. When you dream, where does that light come from? The fact imagination exists means it’s an aspect of reality, and is therefore supernatural, as you can’t find imagination in material nature. Yet it is contained within reality. Atheists fundamentally misunderstand a priori as a whole.

>>18173778
You described the Catholic Church (an institution) not Christianity (a system of being)

>literally one of the documented figures of antiquity
FTFY

>>18175917
>The conclusion is to just stop thinking too much about it
>not think too much about something on a philosophy based board
Woo.

>>18173686
If the supernatural was real where is it?
>>18175915
Christianity will be a black and brown religion lmaoooo

>>18174322
>>18174334
>What precise criteria for scientifically concluding existence of magic have you come up with?
What you do with any science or claim. Observation and measurement. Then we can start the scientific magic to see where it originates from and what rules it follows. Just like anything else.

>>18176561
They don't send their best.

>>18174245
>There have been thousands of miracles and most of yall just go "idk , it's probably fake, whatever" lol.
Because they are. Every religion claims miracles. When Indians have NDEs they see Shiva and Buddhist monks light fires with their minds. This is all hearsay and reported. There's no recordings, measurements, investigations, anything.

What's more reasonable? Every single one of these religions being true, or it all being bullshit?

>>18173656
>most well documented
Give me sources not corrupted by Christian scribes. I want names and dates of writing.