Did you know that Arminius real name was Erminaz [ˈer.mi.nɑz]?Also how will meds ever recover from being completely cucked by northies?>Battle of Noreia (113 BC)>Battle of Burdigala (107 BC)>Battle of Arausio (105 BC)>Battle of Aquae Sextiae (102 BC)>Clades Lolliana (Lollius’ Disaster, 16 BC)>Battle of the Teutoburg Forest (9 AD)>Battle of the Danube crossing (168–170 AD)>Battle of Augusta Vindelicorum (ca. 260 AD)>Fall of the Upper German–Raetian Limes (259–260 AD)>Battle of Mediolanum (259 AD)>Battle of Argentoratum (357 AD)>Battle of Adrianople (9 August 378 AD)>Battle of the River Frigidus (394 AD)>Battle of Pollentia (402 AD)>Sack of Rome (410 AD)Why do /his/tards think the Romans only lost one battle to the Germanics? This is also not every single battle they lost btw.
>>18174135>Also how will meds ever recover from being completely cucked by northies?by watching german news
These are battles lost to the goths exclusively.>Battle of Histria / Istros (c. 248–249)>Battle of Beroe (250 AD)>Battle of Abrittus (Abritus) — 251 AD>Repeated defeats in Dacia and Thrace (250–271)>Battle of Marcianople (376 AD)>Battle of Ad Salices (378 AD)>Battle of Adrianople (378 AD)>Battle of Pollentia (402 AD)>Rout at Verona (402–403 AD)>Sack of Rome (410 AD)>Battle of Toulouse (439 AD)>Battle of Narbonne (436–437 AD)This is just defeats suffered by the Western Roman empire.
>>18174151>by watching german newsHuh? Italy is getting swamped by Africans you aren't doing any better Luigi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHrJ2RZgOik
>>18174156https://youtu.be/FVcspJhjjN4?si=LwlLMZNA0CxqWYOk
>>18174168I don't know if they deliberately ignore this or they're just ignorant fucks? They frame it as the only way Germanics could win against the romans was through deceit and ambushes turns out that's bullshit.It's just more anti-white propaganda as usual. The Romans got their shit kicked in by the Swedish goths dozens of times.
>>18174135>Battle of Aquae Sextiae (102 BC)I think you mistyped this, it was a Roman victory, killing over 100k Teutons.
>>18174180>9 years ago Coping big time there
>>181741352000+ years agocoping being time there
>>18174182Before the final battle the Romans suffered multiple defeats.
>>18174135"""Arminius""" = Erminaz = (H)erminaz = Herman = "Herman the German" Ger = "Gar" (e.g."gar fish") = "Spear"German = Spear Man
>>18174240germanus means brother in latin, hence HERMANO
>>18174135>How will the medchad put the nordslaves downWith the morgenthau plan being enacted after the next time the nords chimpout and be put down like the subhuman savages that they are. >Humiliated in skyrim>Genocided in the saxon wars>ginger king drowned in a river>self-genocided in the wars of religion>All conquests and "achievements" do nothing but sestroy whatever "culture" remained of charlemagne and Romans, 18th century twilight of krautistan>Age of darkness established with the 1848 chimpout and the subsequent Teutonic rule in the century>Loses the WW1 they started and were responsible for>Establishes jewish porn republic and then tries again with even more Teutonic savageryThe one chance to destroy evil once and for all, lost at the face of amerimutt greed. To cast the kraut into the dark ages in the place from whence they came. Saint morgenthau was ignored in.
>>18174240This is something mede up in the middle ages Hermann is a modern German name it absolutely did not exist 2000 years ago Erminaz is litterally proto-Germanic it's a reconstructed name based on what they know about the language.
>>18174351What a bunch of deranged cope and nonsense.>Genocided in the saxon warsAre you completely fucking retarded? The franks were nords, they were Germanic jesus Christ /his/tards are drooling smooth brained monkeys. And they didn't genocide them they killed all the male elites who refused to convert to Christianity saxony still exists halfwit.All the other bullshit is just pointless drivel not worth responding to >jewish porn republicYou realise that Jews are not German right? They are a separate ethnic group they are responsible for that you litterally said it yourself(Jewish porn) and then blame Germans jesus Christ you are special.>American greedThere you go I think you are starting to get it now.>dark agesThere was never any dark ages it's a myth exclusively believed in by anti-white braindead morons with a bias.
>>18174153>nothing between 271-275I wonder whykneel before your God, gothic scum
>>18174754Lmao cope medbug
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>>18174752>Franks are germanicThey speak a romance language and practice an inherently anti nordic culture, the franks and goths are the ideal nords, that is, a nord who is culturally, religiously and philosophically med.>The tree lover genocide wasn't realSaxony raped and genocided to submission exists, because they know what is good for them. The complete assimilation and cleansing was enacted in Franconia which in all honesty should be the capital of Germany, north of the province pays double of whatever the south pays and we nuke southern hesse for religous consitency, France is perfect for this. Charlemagne did nothing wrong. He sjould have slaughtered the saxons in their entirety to save the east of the elbe from the Br*ndenburgers and teutons>Shekelberg is not germanAshkenazi, the anti franc, the worst possible nord. A nord with entirely nordic religion, culture and philisophy. Marx and literally Hitler are examples of the germanic crime>Innocent and good americans are evilNo, it's the german immigrants from 1848 that are behind the american empire and civil war>There were no dark agesRaetia bears witness to the countless crimes of the german, Britannia was invaded by illegal saxons, only being civilized again after it became a french colony, Italy lost all of it's glamor after the Vandal, lombard and to a lesser extent, gothic, germans pillaged it to ruins. The crimes of the kraut are renowned from iberia to the urals.That aside, the Dark ages are now, because hegel and Kant, alongside the (enlightenment) arch-krauts fucked philosophy after Aristotleans had barely fixed it
>>18175964>They speak a romance languageStfu the elite spoke Frankish and the Saxon wars were launched from modern-day Germany KYS!!https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankish_language>the franks and goths are the ideal nords, that is, a nord who is culturally, religiously and philosophically med.Deranged low iq drivel the Franks were Germanic people and their art and culture were Germanic. Does picrel look like something the romans would craft?>Saxony raped and genocided to submission existsJust deranged brownoid low iq drivel.>The complete assimilation and cleansing was enacted in FranconiaGive me sources for this imaginary genocide, genocide is modern phenomenon dipshit.>Charlemagne did nothing wrong. He sjould have slaughtered the saxons in their entirety to save the east of the elbe from the Br*ndenburgers and teutonsExactly the sort of low empathy sociopathic language I'd expect from a brown manlet with nigger blood.>AshkenaziAre genetically a mix of south Italian greaseball, middle eastern with a small amount of Slavic and a miniscule amount of German from the Rhineland period.>No, it's the german immigrants from 1848 that are behind the american empire and civil war"blame krauty" you sound like a nog>Britannia was invaded by illegal saxonsLmao what the fuck does that mean? Alexander the great was an illegal invader in India then there's no rules in war and raids in the Middle Ages greaseball.>french colonyThere was no French identity in 1066 KYS!! do you want to be humiliated again? The Normans were half Danish on average.The rest of your ramblings is just non-white schizophrenia.
>>18176081Charlemagne's Germanic Sword.
>>18176092Frankish or early "French" art with Germanic knots and Germanic style dragons.The culture of the Middle Ages with mostly Germanic in origin meds are coping big time here. Germanics completely dominated Europe for centuries and their culture was the dominant culture.
>>18176105Carolingian art piece with Germanic knot type patterns in more depictions of Germanic dragons.
>>18176112More Carolingian Germanic style art.
>>18176121More Germanic knots
>>18176124Of course, I can't deny the roman byzantine Christian influence is huge but as you can see here with the knots the art had mixed origins.
>>18176129Frankish swords were pretty much indistinguishable from Norse swords.
>>18176135With Lates Roman influence
>>18176081RAPED saxon, please, the french speak and have spoken romance language, the savages, upon trying to consume classical literature in gaul and not liking the taste of paper, were so in awe by med civilization, they abolished germanness and went to fight a genocidal war against the head krauts like the saxons>Mudhut scribbleNow try french civilization, anything ,frankly, that is worth anything Are you denying the domination of Latin i any scholarly and respectable fashion in saxony until 1500?>SourceI shat it on the thread, as you can clearly see on a map, the land is Franconia not wotanic republic of krautmenistan>Insulting his med superior What have the Romans ever given you? And what have you given them? I suggest the former being civilization and the latter being the dark ages and pillaging of provinces>German jews aren't German, their culture, language and even to inferior nord understanding, ethnology doesn't matterEntirely german in character, jews from the middle east had no reason to build Israel, it was France, brutualized by nord violence in 1870 that had zionism and THE jewish state was made out of kraut jews running from the third Reich >No denial of the 1848 plotSavages in Europe, savages in America, truly nords should be RAPED again by med chads like in the many defensive cleansings throughout history>No rules in saxonistanWe know,it should be quarantined. The innocent bavarians, Wurttembergers, badenoids, Franconians, the rare rhinelander or thrungian have suffered them long enough>NormansThe new goths, the new franks, civilized nords. As i said, the ideal nord is one that is civilized by meds, with med culture, language philosophy You sound like a RAPED nord
>>18176177The Frankish elite spoke Frankish kys there was no such thing as French until the Anglo-French wars "French" was called romanz in the 11th century "France" was still called Regnum Francorum — “The Kingdom of the Franks” or Francia>the savages, upon trying to consume classical literature in gaul and not liking the taste of paperJust brownoid derangement the greatest literacy in history was created by Northern Europeans.>genocidal war against the head krauts like the saxonsThere were no genocides in the Middle Ages as we know them again modern concept. Genocide would imply the franks wanted to kill every single man, woman and child that was not their intent AT ALL they only beheaded all Saxon male elites who refused to be Christianized. Most chose death because they aren't cowardly greaseballs like you and it was the Germanic warrior code to never surrender.>french civilizationWhich did not exist until the Anglo-French wars.By your logic Modern day Germany is just France. You are such a stupid moron seeing the world superficially you think Frank = French it DOESN'T it equals German and Italian as much as it does French picrel.>Franconia Which included modern Germany nitwit.>And what have you given them?The phone or computer you are using right now.>dark ages There were never any "dark ages" culture and technology continued evolving.>Entirely german in characterNope almost entirely Sicilian/middle eastern in nature. Criminals, scammers, greedy professional victims always up to no good.>civilized by medsWould you like me to humiliate you with the bronze age? nords were living in impressive timber longhouses while greaseball southern Italians were living in abo tier grass hovels kek.
>>18174135>Battle of Mediolanum>Battle of Argentoratum>Battle of the River Frigidus>Battle of PollentiaThese are actually Roman victories.
>>18176299>Battle of MediolanumBefore Emperor Gallienus won, the Roman field armies had been defeated by the Alemanni, allowing them deep into northern Italy>Battle of ArgentoratumUltimately a Roman victory under Julian, but preceded by major Roman defeats and heavy losses against the Alemanni (344–357)>Battle of the River FrigidusNot exactly Roman vs. Germanic, but large groups of Goths under Alaric slaughter part of the Roman army.>Battle of PollentiaMixed result, but before this the Visigoths inflicted defeats during their march through Italy.
>>18176242> French was called we wuz romanz Yes, it was a process to fully civilize the franks, couldn't be said for saxons> greatest literacy in history was created by med institution of the church unfortunately christianity did not RAPE the nords like they should have>There were no genocides in the Middle Ages, they only beheaded all Saxon males who refused to be Christian I'm sorry, it was clearly far too lenient, the church hoped for another frankish Civilization campaign >the Germanic warrior codeKek the nords now believe their human sacrifices were the most honorubru per their bushido code >By your logic Modren day Germany is just France. Yes, civilization ends beyond Franconia, and even then the raetians are borderlands between civilization and germanic violence as proven by the world wars>Franconia >Which included modern GermanyYes, shamefully the germans decided to be Teutonic savages and the entire civilizing project fell apart after the reformation >The phone or computerInvented using the church's scientific method and built upon the ancient roman civilization, if not for the germanic dark ages, computers would have likely been invented sooner>There were never any "dark ages" culture and technology continued evolving.Where germans did not reside or were successfully civilized, Britannia for example went through a bronze age collapse tier black hole in its history under pure germanic rule>Nope almost entirely Swabian/middle German in nature. Criminals, scammers, greedy professional victims always up to no good.The character of the brandenburger>nords were, by their own accounts on their first meeting with civilization, living naked and running around on trees while ROMAN Chads were living in marble temples and las vegas in 50 BCGermanic "civilization" is mudhuts and vases while the Medchad SPQR built the greatest civilization and empire in history. saxon trees yearn for big bishopric torches.LIGHT THEM UP
>>18176350Would you just fucking kill yourself you dishonest piece of shit? are you the same shitstain that keeps saying the Normans were French when the French identity didn't even exist in the 11th century? I despise cunts like you who spread disinformation and gaslight anons who don't know any better.Modern Germany literally derives from the Frankish empire you lying rotten piece of shit.This is more anti-white propaganda attempting to diminish Germanic achievements.
>>18176358>Kek the nords now believe their human sacrifices were the most honorubru per their bushido codeNo it was Saxon warriors refusing to submit to a foreign religion, doing so in their eyes was cuckoldry and cowardice so they chose death instead they were based.
>>18176370>The French just popped out of nothing! Der frankenreich wast einer purerest deutsches reich meister!1!1! Zon't look it up bitte!>Desutchland is the fruit of romance domination over germanic tribess mein guter herr, zis surely means sie werst deutsch>Don't look up the savagery of the kraut, forget ENTIRELY about WW2, ze weiß race matters most in these trying times(unleß you're catholic, or italian, or balkaner, or polish, or irish. ZHEY ARE DER UNTERMENSCH WHO SHOULD BE GENERALPLANNNEDD OUT!
>>18176374Im sorry for your honorubru bushido code but the human sacrifices will stop, your entire native american longhouse will stop washing,drinking and snorting buggers on the same bowl and learn to read and write in Latin
>>18176350Every single ancient source that actually describes the Franks classifies them as Germanic:Ammianus Marcellinus (4th c.)>Explicitly groups the Franks with other Germani along the Rhine.Olympiodorus (early 5th c.)>“Φράγγοι, ἔθνος Γερμανικόν” — “Franks, a Germanic nation.”And many more I can add later.Living in Roman Gaul does not change their ethnicity.Yes the Frankish elite was highly Romanized, they used Latin in documents, they adopted Roman administrative structures but Romanization does not erase Germanic ethnicity or genetics at origin you fucking retard.The elites spoke Old Frankish / Old Low Franconian, Frankish elites were still speaking Frankish in 800–900 AD so kys again plus I already posted their Germanic art:>>18176092>>18176105>>18176112>>18176121>>18176124>>18176129>>18176135KYSNOT TO MENTION MODERN GERMANY DERIVES FROM THE FUCKING FRANKISH EMPIRE YOU CRIMINAL GREASEBALL
>>18176424>but Romanization does not erase Germanic ethnicity or genetics at origin you fucking retardCOPE.The "Germanic" Father of Europe, Charlemagne, was descended in the direct male line from Gallo-Roman senator Ansbertus of Narbonne (Narbo) in southern France; himself a member of the patrician Ferreoli clan of southern Gaul and Italy. Ansbertus was a southern european Gallo-Roman BVLL who married the daughter of the Merovingian King of Paris Charibert the first and fathered upon her a line which would go unto to unseat their Meroving cousins and assume ABSOLUTE power in Europa, but not before btfoing the muslims at Tours. North africans and northern european both kneel and kiss the toes of the great-grandsons of Le Midi.Although born and raised a germanic Frank (which is not the same thing as a Frenchman), DID have some Roman (med) blood. His great-great-great-great-great-grandfather (through the direct male Y-chromosome paternal line) was Ansbertus of Narbo (aka Narbonne in southern France) a Gallo-Roman senator of the patrician Ferreoli clan who married Blithide daughter of the Merovingian King of Paris Charibert the First. Ansbertus was himself the great grandson Tonantius Ferreolus who was Praetorian Prefect of Gaul during the late Roman Empire. This means that Charlemagne, although ethnically mostly Germanic and raised in a Germanic culture was descended in the father to son male line from a Roman official who fathered a line of patricians in southern Gaul, one of those Gallo-Roman descendants would go on to father on a Frankish princess a son who's direct descendant Charles Martel would defeat the moors at Tours and eventually replace his degenerate Merovingian cousins on the throne with his own offspring. All roads truly lead back to Rome.
>>18176393>>The French just popped out of nothing!French people were Gallo-Roman's numbskull they didn't just disappear, it is a fact that French was called romanz it's where the word romance comes from. Common people referred to themselves as Christians, man of X lord, Burgundian, Norman, Poitevin, Provençal or Picard at least in the 11th century.
>>18176433You may wonder why Charlemagne gave concessions to the Jewish people, essentially granting them a monopoly on usury. Allow me to explain why. Thierry IV, mentioned in these links:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thierry_IVhttps://www.geni.com/people/Thierry-I-count-of-Autun/6000000002071341413https://gw.geneanet.org/cousinjeanne?lang=es&n=david&oc=0&p=makhir+ben+habibaiWas also known as Makhir of Narbonne, a Jewish exilarch and Prince of Septimania. If you didn't know, exilarchs could only be from the Davidic Bloodline, meaning they were descendants of David in exile leading Jewish communities:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makhir_of_Narbonnehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Jewish_Princedom_in_Feudal_FranceMakhir was married to Auda of France, Charlemagne's aunt:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auda_of_FranceTheir son, William of Gellone, became a Catholic saint, he was Charlemagne cousin. Their descendants, including Guillem and Heribert of Gellones, continued to intermarry with the Carolingian dynasty. This ensured that Carolingian rulers inherited the Davidic lineage. Also descended from Thierry IV/Makhir of Narbonne, Godfroi de Bouillon, Duke of Lorraine and conqueror of Jerusalem during the Crusades.https://gw.geneanet.org/guillemaud1?lang=en&p=heribert&n=de+gelloneConsidering that virtually every European ruler, and much of Europe in general, are descendants of the Carolingians, it's quite clear that European royals carry the blood of David.
>>18176433>The "Germanic" Father of Europe, Charlemagne, was descended in the direct male line from Gallo-Roman senator Ansbertus of Narbonne (Narbo) in southern FranceBullshit this comes from a single medieval genealogy invented in the Carolingian period to give the Pippinids a prestigious Roman pedigree.These genealogies routinely fabricated Roman ancestors to glorify ruling dynasties.Every professional medievalist knows this.Examples of fabricated ancestor lists include:>Merovingian “Trojan descent” myths>Anglo-Saxon kings descended from Woden>Carolingians descended from Roman senators>Byzantines creating fantasy Roman lineagesThe Ferreoli–Ansbertus lineage is considered legendary, NOT historical!!!!Consensus of historians:The genealogy first appears in the Historia Francorum tradition — a political fabrication.There is no contemporary evidence linking the Pippinids to any Roman senator.No reliable document establishes a biological connection.This “Ansbertus of Narbonne” claim is classed as pseudo-genealogy.Anyone using it as genetic fact is either ignorant or deliberately dishonest the latter with you because you are a sociopathic lying greaseball brown piece of poopoo.
>>18174135>how will meds ever recover The germanic tribes were conquered by other guys. The Ostrogoths were conquered by the Langobards after the Gothic War with the ERE. The Franks conquered the Alamanni and the Burgundians. The Suebi were crushed by the Visigoths. The Vandals disappeared after the Vandalic War in North Africa. The Huns and the Avars sort of faded away, their lands to be conquered by the Slavs (this is just me making assumptions, though. Don't take my word). Most of the former German foederati maintained the Roman infraestructure and started centralising, giving birth to the Successor Kingdoms of the Early Middle Ages.Roma Invicta.
>>18176433Charlemagne’s REAL paternal line is overwhelmingly Germanic.Consistent early medieval sources describing the Pippinid/Arnulfing house as Frankish nobles of Austrasia.Their power base was the Maas–Rhine–Moselle region, not southern Gaul.Their marriage networks were to Frankish nobles, not Gallo-Romans.There is zero genetic support for a late Roman patrician male-line originGenetics refutes the Roman-male-line fantasy.Multiple modern Y-DNA studies of direct male-line Charlemagne descendants (from authenticated branches) show:R1b-U106 (a Germanic lineage common in Frisia, the Rhineland, and Germany)NOT the R1b-L51 southern Gaulish or Italian patrician linesNOT anything typical of “Gallo-Roman senators”There is zero genetic support for a late Roman patrician male-line origin kill yourself you slimy greasy southern sociopath.
>>18176452>Anglo-Saxon kings descended from WodenThey did.>Haplogroup I1 is believed to have been present among Upper Paleolithic European hunter-gatherers as a minor lineage but due to its near-total absence in pre-Neolithic DNA samples it cannot have been very widespread. Neolithic I1 samples are very sparse as well, suggesting a rapid dispersion connected to a founder effect in the Nordic Bronze Age. Today it reaches its peak frequencies in Sweden (52 percent of males in Västra Götaland County) and western Finland (more than 50 percent in Satakunta province). In terms of national averages, I-M253 is found in 38-39% of Swedish males, 37% of Norwegian males, 34.8% of Danish males, 34.5% of Icelandic males, and about 28% of Finnish males. Bryan Sykes, in his 2006 book Blood of the Isles, gives the members – and the notional founding patriarch of I1 the name "Wodan">The Anglo-Saxon settlement of Britain introduced I1 to the British Isles. A 2022 study found that out of 120 samples from Anglo-Saxon period England, 41 samples or roughly 34.17% of the samples belonged to haplogroup I1. The study noted that there was a heavy correlation between "CNE" Continental North European-like ancestry and Y-DNA I1> The famous 8th-century ecclesiastical historian Bede is the first known Anglo-Saxon author to describe this mythic genealogy in Book I, Capitula 15 of his Historia claiming: Duces fuisse perhibentur eorum primi duo fratres Hengist et Horsa….Erant autem filii Uictgilsi, cuius pater Uitta, cuius pater Uecta, cuius pater Uoden, de cuius stirpe multarum prouinciarum regium genus originem duxit, “From the first their leaders (the Anglo-Saxons) were held to be two brothers, Hengest and Horsa….They were sons of Wictgils, whose father was Witta, whose father was Wecta, whose father was Woden.”
>>18176434You either imply the germs weak race was annihilated upon contact with the medchad genepool or are coping
The greasy slimeball thinks this isn't Germanic.
>>18176483>medchad genepoolFrench people are not meds slimeball, the Gallo-romans were mostly still Gallic in the Frankish and pre-Frankish era kys.
More Germanic motifs and art for slimeball to seethe over.
>>18176452>>18176466Charlemagne is the son of Pépin le Bref, Pépin le Bref is the son of Charles Martel. Charles Martel is originated from the actual Belgium. He is originated from a francophonian part of Belgium.Belgium was a former part of Gaul. Belgium WASN'T OUTSIDE GAUL. What was considered Germanic in this time was the right border of the Rhine River. Belgium was at the left border of the Rhine River. Therefor, Belgium wasn't Considered GERMANIC.Charlemagne is a Frank King from the Frankish Dynasty of the Carolingian. The Frankish tribe is a GERMANIC tribe that crossed the Rhine between 250-300 and settled in the northeastern part of the Gaul, that consist today of the actual Belgium, Flanders, Northeastern France and the Germany territory located at the left Rhine's Border.So, since 250-300 after J C, the Frankish tribe wasn't anymore a germanic tribe, since it was living in Gaulish territories.Then, happened the "Great Barbaric Invasions" between 350 - 568 after J C. Rome wasn't able to defend Gauls anymore in 400 after J C. And the Gallo-Romans had to defend their homeland by themself from GERMANIC tribes crossing the Rhine during 400-500 after J C.The Gaullo-Romans with a Great help from the Frankish tribes against the Germanic tribes, succesfully defended Gauls. Since the Frankish had the military leaderships, a Frankish chief was chosen as a King at the condition he converted to Christianity. The Frankish tribe CONVERTED TO CHRISTIANITY.After 500 after J C, what was considered GERMANIC were the GERMANIC PAGANS tribes living at the right river of the RHINE.
Germanic symbol in a Visigothic church.
>>18176515So, the FRANKISH can't be considered as GERMANIC during 750-850 since what was considered GERMANIC in 750-850 were the BARBARIC PAGANS TRIBES that were living at the right river of the Rhine.So, the Frankish tribes were living in Gauls along the Gallo-roman since at least 150 years when Clovis I converted to Christianity in 500.The Frankish were latinized and converted to Christianity since at least 500 after J C, that means that in 761, the Frankish were latinized and converted to Christianitism since at least 150 years.They couldn't be considered as Germanic since at least 150 YEARS, 15 decades, 5 generations, when CHARLEMAGNE was born in 761 after J C.So, there is no WAY that Charlemagne was a "German" considering the fact that the Frankish tribe ceased to be ethinically German since the moment they crossed the Rhine during 250-300, their settlement in Gauls since at least 300 ... And ceased to be Culturally German the moment the moment they converted to Christianity in 500 after J C.Charlemagne was born in 761 in the actual Belgium, was Christian and funded the Catholic Church.Charlemagne WASN'T a BARBARIC PAGAN living in the right river of the Rhine.Here a picture of the Frankish Empire after the death of Charlemagne's dad. We can cleary see that the Germanic territories are conquest of Charlemagne's reign, and that they weren't part in the original Kingdom.The Capital was originally PARIS because PARIS was back then, before the conquest, the center of Charlemagne's Empire.Then, after the new conquest at the east, on the German territories, aix-la-chapelle was chosen as a new capital since the center of the kingdom had moved.So, you fucking retard, Charlemagne was a latinized and Christian Frankish king, Frankish were living among Gallo-Roman since at least 400 years and had mixed with them.Now go fuck yourself.
>>18176474>>18176515Btw I (Nordic haplogroup) is the younger brother of J (Middle Eastern haplogroup) because they descended from IJ. Whenever you see an anti-J wignat, remind them of this. They hate this fact.>Haplogroup IJ (M429/P125) is a human Y-chromosome DNA haplogroup, an immediate descendant of Haplogroup IJK (formerly known as Haplogroup F-L15). IJK is a branch of Haplogroup HIJK.>The immediate descendants of IJ are Haplogroup I and Haplogroup J>Haplogroup I (M170) is a Y-chromosome DNA haplogroup. It is a subgroup of haplogroup IJ, which itself is a derivative of the haplogroup IJK. Subclades I1 and I2 can be found in most present-day European populations, with peaks in some Northern European and Southeastern European countries>Haplogroup J-M304, also known as J, is a human Y-chromosome DNA haplogroup. It is believed to have evolved in the Caucasus or Iran. The clade spread from there during the Neolithic, primarily into North Africa, the Horn of Africa, the Socotra Archipelago, Europe, Anatolia, Central Asia, South Asia, and Southeast Asia
>>18176515“Germania” was an ethnographic label, NOT a fixed border you dumb greasy sociopathic criminal.Romans called people Germani even if they lived west of the Rhine, including:>the Ubii (lived in Cologne—west of the Rhine still Germanic)>the Batavi (Netherlands—west of the Rhine still Germanic)>the Frisii (north of the Rhine Germanic)>the Chauci, Chamavi, Bructeri, etc.Belgium (Gallia Belgica) contained many Germanic tribesCaesar explicitly says the Belgae were partly Germanic:>"The Belgae are the bravest… because they are nearest to the Germans and are constantly at war with them. Many of them are of German origin."— Caesar, Gallic War 1.1“Many of them are of German origin.”That alone destroys the "argument".By Late Antiquity, Belgica Secunda was dominated by Germanic-speaking peoplesPlace-names, loanwords, material culture, burial practices, and later linguistic evolution all show Germanic cultural presence, Frankish settlement, non-Romance speech areas in the 4th–6th centuries.Modern Dutch and Flemish evolved from the very Frankish spoken there.>Dur once da frank live in Gaul, magically dey no Germanic anymore HURRRRRRRRR!!!!!This is utter slimeball nonsense, historically and linguistically, ethnicity is not determined by geography by this "logic" the Anglo-Saxons stop being Germanic when they lived in Britain.The Franks remained Germanic for centuries inside Gaul, how do we know?They continued to speak Frankish a West Germanic language dumbass.Their law code is Lex Salica written in Germanic vocabulary, early Merovingian names are 100% Germanic (Clovis, Chlothar, Theudebert, Sigibert) Their material culture is continuous with Germanic metalwork and burial styles, Roman authors consistently call them Germani even after they cross the Rhine.>hur only Germans pagans durRoman and Byzantine writers in the 6th–7th c. still call the Franks GermansProcopius: “The Franks are the greatest of the Germans.”
>>18176555You don't understand. What is considered Germanic is what is behind the Rhine. When the Franks crossed the Rhine, they were still German peoples according to the present time of 300-500, but in regard of our present, it is anachronic to say that the Frankish were germanic, since the "real" Germanic peoples are the people that lived in actual Germany or at the right river of the Rhine.The Gaulish tribes were originally considered as Germanics since they were originated from the right river of the Rhine and that they began to conquered Gauls in -500, chasing the Iberian tribes. Then, they sacked continued to extend in Italy, with the sack of Rome in -390.So, if you consider that the Frankish continued to be German even after 3 or 4 centuries after crossing the Rhine, therefor, you have also to consider the Gaulish tribes in -58 to be germanic too.The Gaulish tribes crossed the Rhine between 500 and 400 and settled in Gauls. When Ceasar conquered Gauls in -58/-52, it was already been between 350 and 450 years that the Gaulish had crossed the Rhine. The Gaulish tribes were as germanic as the Frankish tribe was in 760 when Charlemagne was born. If you consider the Frankish Germanic, then you should consider the Gaulish Germanic too.>inb4 "But you have no source"You said it yourself, he spoke a local patois, "Franconian Rhenish" which is basically mosellan. A mix dialect of French influenced by Germanic. Also, if your only one argument is "What is your source" then you have no argument and you're a retard.
>>18176522>“Only pagan tribes east of the Rhine were Germanic in 750–850.”Complete greaseball criminal nigger blooded lies.All medieval sources—Frankish, Anglo-Saxon, Lombard, Italian, Byzantine—explicitly classify the Franks, Lombards, Saxons, Bavarians, Alemanni, Thuringians, and Frisians as Germanic peoples, regardless of religion.>“The Franks stopped being Germanic as soon as they crossed the Rhine.”My god you are one retarded fucking poopoo skined nigger-blooded criminal heap of gutterscum. This is Goebbels big lie you are pushing something so ludicrous and nonsensical that there isn't even a rebuttal to it. This is from your southern criminal sociopathic nigger blood, all you can do is deceive, lies upon lies upon lies.>“Christianity erased Frankish Germanic culture.”Oh my god I can't take it please lord let me find this roach so I can flay it alive. More of big lie here extremely devious sociopathy here.So modern day Germans are not Germanic? is that what you are saying you dumb fuck?>“Charlemagne was born in Belgium so he wasn’t Germanic.”Omg for fuck sake there was no Belgium in the early Middle Ages you absolute buffoon! many Germanic tribes crossed the Rhine and lived in "Belgium" as I've already stated.Charlemagne’s dynasty spoke Frankish, followed Frankish law, bore Germanic names, and traced their lineage to Germanic warrior elites.Every contemporary source calls the Carolingians rulers of the gens Francorum—the Frankish people, a Germanic nation.>“Frankish capital was Paris because the kingdom wasn’t Germanic.”Paris was the Roman provincial center.After major expansion east, the capital moved to Aachen, a Germanic heartland.If the Franks “weren’t Germanic,” Charlemagne would not have spoken fucking Frankish at home, chosen a capital in a Germanic-speaking region, emphasized his rule over “all the Germanic peoples” in his imperial ideologyJust kill yourself already.
>>18176574You are so incredibly stupid and vapid, you have a superficial understanding of culture and history you are confusing ancient geographic labels with ethnolinguistic identities which is so common on this brainlet board it's just tiresome and mentally draining seeing it. “Germanic = people behind the Rhine” is not how historians classify cultures.That is a Roman military-geographical term, not an ethnic definition. Using your "logic" did the Saxons magically become British celts when they settled in Britain?>Gauls were NOT Germanic. They spoke Celtic languages.This alone destroys your analogy.Gauls:>spoke Celtic languages, not Germanic>used Celtic law, not Germanic law>had Celtic material culture, not Germanic>were recognized by all ancient sources as Celts, not Germans>were classified by Caesar as Gauls, except one region (Belgae) with partial Germanic influenceNothing about Gauls was Germanic.Your comparison is invalid because Gauls are not Germanic by language, culture, law, and self-identity.Meanwhile Franks were speakers of a West Germanic language, bearers of Germanic law (Lex Salica), recorded by Latin, Greek, and Arabic sources as Germanic, culturally Germanic into the Carolingian period, founders of languages (Old Dutch, Old High German), genetically continuous with Germanic neighbors.You are comparing a Celtic population with a Germanic population and pretending geography overrides language and culture. It doesn’t."If you consider the Franks Germanic, you must consider Gauls Germanic” is a fallacy.Migration does not erase identity.Gauls lost their Celtic identity only after 500 years of Romanization + Latin language replacement.Franks kept their Germanic language, their Germanic naming system, their Germanic law code, their Germanic elite culture, their Germanic identity, recognized by themselves and others.So your dumb analogy falls apart.
>>18176574>He spoke a local patois, Franconian Rhenish, a mix French influenced by Germanic.Congratulations dumb fuck Franconian Rhenish is a Germanic (West Germanic) dialect, not a Romance one.It is part of the Germanic dialect continuum that produced, Old High German, Middle High German and fucking MODERN German dialects of the Rhineland!!!It’s literally named “Franconian” because it descends from Frankish, which is a Germanic language jesus christ you are so stupid. Calling it French influenced by Germanic is dumb as fuck because THERE WAS NO FUCKING FRENCH IN THE 9TH CENTURY YOU RETARDED BROWN COCKROACH!You don’t even know the linguistic classification of the dialect lmao!"In our present, it’s anachronic to say they were Germanic" is a self-own.Modern historians use linguistic classification, not Roman border maps.By modern linguistic classification:Franks = West GermanicFrankish = West Germanic languageCarolingians = Germanic ruling elite that adopted Latin for administrationFrankish Y-DNA, material culture, names, and law = GermanicYou don’t get to rewrite modern ethnolinguistic classifications to fit your greaseball fantasy cope.You’re trying to redefine “Germanic” to mean “people living in modern Germany,” which is superficial and only something a low iq sociopathic poopoo brownoid would do.
>>18174856>they fought for the right to become Roman 300 years later>somehow this is a winlmao are you a stinky poojeet? I refuse to believe a Germanic person would be this stupid and historically illiterate
>>18176602>>18176626>>18176653Kys. The word Celtic is a Greco-Roman exonym which ultimately derives from a short lived Southern German area tribe called the Keltoi. The word means foreigner in both Latin and old Germanic contexts. The Hallstatt culture is the origin of the iron age in Europe amd the focal point of the CWC expansion which spread Indo-European languages throughout Europe. The Western fringes are also rape babies of this expansion, but not the origin of IA technology nor IE language. Ultimately the men have the same ancestors in CWC though. Using the word "Celt" for a language group is an early modern era reconstruction hilariously based on an exonym. You might ask what about "Celtic culture", "Celtic language groups" etc. The former was just continent wide early Iron Age culture (e.g. "Celtic" oppida cities were from Spain all the way to Scandinavia), the latter is mostly speculative reconstructions of unattested languages. Of the attested words that were assumed to be in "proto-Celtic" over 280 words are shared by proto-Germanic which is a huge portion of the lexicon.Most of Germany is descended from the Alamanni and Suebi tribal confederations. They were present in Germany for a long period of time and more sedentary than eastern Germanic tribal confederations like the Goths and Vandals. The north of Germany is populated by Saxons, recently descended nordics, meanwhile Southern Germanics are largely, if not mostly, assimilated Celts and other pre-Germanic inhabitants of those regions. Germany once had a large Celtic population, below northern Germany. Continental Central Europeans still have varying amounts of Celtic ancestry, even if they are not from France, wherein there exists large amounts of ancient Gallic Celt ancestries.
>>18176681>Most present-day Germans can be modelled as three-way admixture between SGermany_EIA (54.5±2%) [Celtic], NGermany_Roman (33.8±2.5%) [Germanic] and a third, northeastern European source (here Latvia_BA, 11.7±1.2%) representing further admixture introduced after the initial admixture event, potentially connected to Slavic-speaking populations migrating into eastern Germany during the Middle Ageshttps://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-024-01888-7It can’t be a coincidence that Celtic admixture coincides almost 1:1 with HDI.>Celtic DNA peaks in Switzerland>Switzerland has the highest HDI in the world>Southern Germany has a higher HDI than Northern Germany>North Italy higher than Southern Italy>Northern Spain higher than Southern Spain>Southern France higher than Northern France
>>18176681>>18176685Save for the northwestern German tribes of the Anglo-Frisian and Saxon type, which appear to be genuinely Germanic, most other western German tribes were of Celtic descend. Before the imperial days of Rome, Celts were stronger than Germanics. They were more civilised if you disregard their cruel human sacrificing which happened on a frequent basis. That is why Celts were said to possess an extensive religion which they took very serious, through the caste of druids who let the blood flow. Still they had villages, cities, forts and respected individual privacy. Germanics lived in a commune, meaning that there were houses but they were common good. This means that you are obliged to receive visitors, give them food and shelter for as long as they want, and you can do the same to others. Although they also practiced human sacrifice on a frequent basis, their religion was simpler and fate played a great role. They practiced a form of divination practically identical with the I Ching.The closest description of a Germanic tribes I could find that resembles the modern German character were the Chatti from the region Hesse. Citing Tacitus' Germania:>[The Chatti's] settlements begin at the Hercynian forest, where the country is not so open and marshy as in the other cantons into which Germany stretches. They are found where there are hills, and with them grow less frequent, for the Hercynian forest keeps close till it has seen the last of its native Chatti.
>>18176687>Hardy frames, close-knit limbs, fierce countenances, and a peculiarly vigorous courage, mark the tribe. For Germans, they have much intelligence and sagacity; they promote their picked men to power, and obey those whom they promote; they keep their ranks, note their opportunities, check their impulses, portion out the day, intrench themselves by night, regard fortune as a doubtful, valour as an unfailing, resource; and what is most unusual, and only given to systematic discipline, they rely more on the general than on the army>Their whole strength is in their infantry, which, in addition to its arms, is laden with iron tools and provisions. Other tribes you see going to battle, the Chatti to a campaign. Seldom do they engage in mere raids and casual encounters. It is indeed the peculiarity of a cavalry force quickly to win and as quickly to yield a victory. Fleetness and timidity go together; deliberateness is more akin to steady courageNaturally these Chatti, just like their neighbours the Tencteri, Usipetes, Chattuari and Ubii have tribal names derived from Gaulish. The Chatti were populous and there were splits due to internal feuds more than once. The Chattuari, who along with the Tencteri (aka Tungri), Usipetes (aka Assipetes) and Ubii became part of the Franks in the 3rd century, literally means 'those who used to be Chatti". And not long after Caesar conquered Gaul, another group split off and settled on an island at the mouth of the Rhine in the Netherlands, the Batavi, who became very close with the Romans. We know that they spoke Gaulish as late as the 4rd century from archeological findings. Settlements like Noviomagus (N. Batavorum = Nijmegen (NL), N. Veromanduorum = Noyon (F) and N. Treverorum = Neumagen (DE)) are clearly derived from Gaulish.
>>18176689This means that the Chatti and the others named were of noble Belgic stock, as the Belgae were defined as mostly Celtisized Germans and Celto-Germanics (by intermarrying). It is this stock that always delivered the greatest both of the Gaulish and Germanic world, up to Charlemagne, born in Herstal, of the noble Belgae stock. Also it is interesting to note that amongst the Celts the Belgae were already considered the most brave and most fierce. So basically Germans are mostly Celts and Wends (West-Slavs). In my humble opinion the Germanic minority in the north (Saxony) should just go back to Scandinavia. The Greeks knew, they always stubbornly referred to the Germans as Keltoi, even in late imperial days.
>>18176692Cassius Dio in the 3rd century and the Fragmenta Valesiana refer to the same people as "Chattoi", and specifically name them a "Celtic people".Regarding the Salian Franks, who found the Merovingian royalty line, were first formed from these Celto-Germanic tribes mixed with what appear to be Frisian stock. They were associated with the terms Vrank, Vrij and Vries (Frank, Free and Frisian), and today Vrank en Vrij is still the Flemish motto. The Flemish tongue is directly derived from the language of the Franks (Lower Frankish). In the 3rd century the Frankish tribes crossed the Rhine, first absorbing the Batavi (who still had their autonomous island settlement at the mouth of the Rhine and provided the imperial guards of Rome), and later when they settled in the land of the Eburones (aka Toxandrii), Toxandria, where the Tencteri (aka Tungri) already had settlements. They absorbed the Belgae tribes and from there the conquest of Gaul began.In the days of the great migrations in the early 5th century, the tribes crossing the Rhine (Vandals, Quadi...) were not able to plunder the Salian land (pretty much modern Belgium). The other Celto-Germanic tribes also organised themselves as Ripuarian Franks, that is also the time that the Chatti are last mentioned in the annals. So very likely they became part of the Franks too.By then the Germanic language had become lingua franca in those parts, by the 6th century Gaulish had pretty much vanished.Another term for Belgium in later antiquity/early middle ages was Nedergallië (Nethergaul), which aptly points at the Gaulish character of the southern parts of the Lowlands.So if people readily accept that the German nation existed before Bismarck, nation here meaning the cultural and ethnic union, surely the Belgian/Nethergallic nation should be recognized, and its fundamental role in the rebuilding of the West-Roman world in a Christian sense.
>>18176681>“Celtic is a Greco-Roman exonym meaning foreigner.”Nope more lies slimeball.Ancient Greek Keltoí does NOT mean “foreigner.”No Indo-European linguist supports that.Most accepted etymologies link it to:kʲel- “to rise, be noble” kel- “to strike”or a possible tribal endonym.Even conservative philologists agree: its meaning is unknown, but it is NOT foreigner!Latin “Celtus” is derived from Greek “Keltoi”The Romans adopted the Greek term; they didn’t invent the ethnonym numbskull.Proto-Germanic did not use celt to mean foreigner. Germanic languages used: walhaz meaning foreigner/Roman/Gaul/Welsh>Celtic is an Early Modern invention; using it for languages is wrong.”Oh fuck not you again. Are you the celts didn't exist piece of dogshit?This is simply false sorry and shows that you do not know historical linguistics.Celtic languages are not a reconstruction. THEY ARE ATTESTED. Celtic is a proven, attested language family, not speculation you gaslighting piece of filth.What are Gaulish inscriptions? Lepontic inscriptions? Celtiberian inscriptions? Old Irish texts? Middle Welsh, Breton, Cornish?Celtic is one of the best-documented ancient Indo-European branches.Claiming it’s “made up” is just anti-academic bullshit and you'll only use deception and fallacies to push your little fantasy.
>>18176734>Oh fuck not you again. Are you the celts didn't exist piece of dogshit?That guy is so weird. What a bizarre personal crusade he's chosen.
>>18176681>Hallstatt = continent-wide iron age culture = Celtic didn’t exist.You don't understand archaeology or much of anything really.Hallstatt A/B included many cultures; Hallstatt C/D is where archaeologists see distinctly Celtic patterns, including:specific La Tène weapon morphology>Celtic personal names>Celtic art motifs>Celtic burial customs>continuity into Gaulish & Celtiberian archaeological layersThis is why Hallstatt + La Tène = Celtic in archaeology. Not because “everyone was Celtic,” but because distinctive features cluster there dumbass.>Celtic oppida extended from Spain to ScandinaviaYou pulled that straight from your rectum. Oppida are only found in Gaul, Czech Republic, Switzerland, Austria, Southern Germany and Iberia (Celtiberian zones). There were no oppida in Scandinavia you fucking liar they learn what an oppidum is.>“Proto-Celtic and Proto-Germanic share 280 words, therefore they are the same.”This is a childish misunderstanding of linguistics. All Indo-European branches share hundreds of cognates: Greek, Sanskrit, Latin, Celtic, Germanic, Slavic, Iranian — all share hundreds of inherited PIE words.Shared vocabulary does NOT mean anything you braindead idiot, loanwords can be introduced through trade or the words can be inherited because of common Indo-European origin. You are at odds with the entire archaeological, linguistic and historical academic community. What makes you think a brainless little narcissistic toddler like you knows better than thousands of trained professionals?
>>18176741He's a narcissist. Imagine thinking you know better than thousands of trained professionals who work in the field, peak Dunning Kruger effect.
>>18176687>They practiced a form of divination practically identical with the I Ching.(Not the anon you were talking to). Okay I'm gonna have to ask for some reading material on this. Did you know there are some papers in the Sino-Platonic journal which claim the I Ching trigram names are Indo-European? If you have any details that could connect the Germanic practice to the Chinese one that would be amazing because it would seem to imply a Tocharian practice was likely shared with the Chinese and this goes back to PIE.Wei, J. L. (2022). New Evidence for the Indo-European Origins of the Yi Jing Trigram Names. University of Pennsylvania.Read here for free: https://sino-platonic.org/
>>18174727You are incredibly jewish, ugly inbred and dumb.
>>18175768See, "German" = Spear Man I win again!
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>>18176439wait, so that old fringe theory claiming that ''franks'' were just jews+''germanic'' mercenaries is true?
>>18177592It was the Normans who brought them to England.
