Thoughts on Julian Jaynes' hypothesis?
in duality (this illusory world people think is real) good and evil are pretty evident
>>18174402sounds boring and unoriginal, just another peddler of relativism and nihilism
>>18174402I guarantee half the shit you see written about the Iliad is written by people that haven't even read it
>>18174402>breakdown of the bicameral mind happened all over the world in every human population... for some reason
it's one of the most original and interesting hypotheses of the last 50 years. >>18174436>julian jaynes>haven't read the iliadretard.
>>18174453no I shit you not dude. these guys haven't read the fucking books
>>18174402Interesting in a pot-smoking college kid sort of way. Ultimately of little quotidian utility.
>>18174423he doesn't advocate for nihilism in that quote, you religious idiot. your reading comprehension is low, as expected from a religioustard.
This idea isn't scientifically rigorous in anyway (i.e. it's a fairy tale) but it's so fascinating and is a cool notion to think about.Like, what if you imagine your mind is two disconnected entities trying to get something done? What would you do? What did the Gods tell you to do today?
>>18174497>Like, what if you imagine your mind is two disconnected entities trying to get something done?they're trying to get me to jerk off in my room all day?
>>18174509No, for that you need to move to a model where there's an id, an ego and a superego.See, the ego develops after exposure to the outside world tempers your personality oops too late lol
>>18174402There is absolutely no reason why the bicameral mind would have broken down all at the same time all across the world. Given the vastly different levels of development of some regions of the world until recently, there should be strong evidence of bicamerality surviving up until the relatively recent past.No such evidence has been found.
Gods were literal invention by psychopatic ancient leaders to control the flock, and maintain stability.It was the first form justice system.>god told me these are the laws.Jews got inspired from the Code of Hammurabi.You can see the psychopaths in present days in american televangelism, catholic church, etc. They know god isnt real, they know exorcisms are fake, they know miracles are fake. They know all of it but continue to spread the word because of money and power. They're charlatans.Gods were a necessity back in the day because humanity was extremely animalistic and wild, they were literal savages. These days gods are used as a grift to fuck young boys and girls and make tons of money.Now that we got this out of way, the theory of bicameral mind is an example of intellectualizing things too much, reading too much into something.This theory was made by brainlets. Religion was a grifty scam, not something deep, hallucinations or voices in our ancient consiciousness.Julian is a stupid brainlet.
>>18174556Yeah this particular universal human trait was definitely caused by the mean high-status men who picked on you in middle school all those months ago
>>18174578Youre so fucking stupid, im tired of you stupid retards.Never once christ golems adress the argument, they have to project their fantasies into others.Im tired of you, braindead retards. Fuck this thread, fuck this board and fuck you.
>>18174592Brantley, it's me, your real dad.Good job totally owning that christcuck with your harsh but fair words. I'm proud of you.As you have intuited, I left you and your mother because I am a secret CIA operative on an important undercover mission. I will be back in your loving arms soon, and that will be the end of Stan acting like he's in charge.But it won't be all happiness and rainbows, son! I demand that you straighten up and stop drinking sugary beverages, and also from now on you're going to go on walks every other day around the neighborhood.And what I say goes because I'm your dad.Now go help your mom launder your jizz towels and eat a moderate amount of food for dinner, and then no more food until pop tarts tomorrow morning.
>>18174544i think it would not have stopped existingit's just people view it differently in a more secular societythink intrusive thoughts or internal monologue
>>18174402a lot of greek tragedies are about hubris and people trying to change fatea puppet would be incapable of defiance
>>18174544Are we so sure there aren't modern populations where the entire uhhhh gene pool seems unable to understand the world around them and has no concept of accountability?
The hard problem of consciousness is solved on his. His is a retard board and no users are conscious. Therefore there is no problem. For non retards the problem occurs differently. Nobody would ever care about consciousness as an issue. The fact that God designed you to be retarded and produce feces, to further the existence of Capitalism, the hexagonal replicative process through which anything exists at all, is an answer to the philosophical question of suicide in the affirmative. Usually rather than consciousness the problem would be asking why God would case sentience or value to exist, and then finding ways to destroy it. Human extinction is easy if you kill farmers or whatever is causing you to exist. Usually the problem of consciousness is solved this way. Sentience would then occur in whatever earthly authorities God is controlling to implement is his goals because their actions to the extent they require or cause energy would then be a physical basis for consciousness.This is why the problem of consciousness can never be solved because its usually taken as a cute humanistic question and not as a byproduct of extreme control mechanisms created by a designer. In the latter case the goal of NPCs is to remain nonsentient and serve God's will, which is exactly what this board does by remaining retarded.If you reject that perspective then to the extent you take any action towards the world it would be speeding the death NPCs. NPCs are necessary to preserve capitalism, although the users of 4chan are the useless irrelevant kind of NPCs.
>>18174647>unable to understand the world around them and has no concept of accountabilityThat's not what the bicameral mind is though. It would be a population of literal schizophrenic NPCs who do whatever the voice in their head tells them to do.Actual auditory hallucinations
>>18174669NTA. Are we sure that the modern lesser races of man don't experience those auditory hallucinations in our day?
>>18174675That's a good question I guess. Find a way to test it.
>>18174647The average African village nigger understands the world around them much better than you do. >>18174675Yes, yes we are. It just has not been observed, ever. Not even in San Bushmen or Papuan agriculturalists. And it is not the kind of thing that would remain hidden for very long.
>>18174688And by the world around them I mean the African bush. You have to be incredibly retarded to think 'primitive' people did not understand the world around them. >>18174688If it was real, people would have observed the peculiar behavour, already.
>>18174402>be this julian jaynes guy>thinks ancientfags were literal schizos hearing voices from the other brain half>mfw the entire theory is based on retarded readings of epic poems and ignoring archeology>no evidence in skulls, no evidence in texts he didn't cherry-pick>muh bicameral mind broke 3000 years ago>then explain sumerians keeping meticulous tax records with their god voices>literally just a just-so story for atheists who think consciousness is spookyIt's complete pseudoscience and not taken seriously by anyone who isn't a midwit redditor.
>>18174402Based purely on that quote I think he is dumb and gay and retarded but I'm sure there's a lot more to it than that and I'd have to actually read his work to form a proper opinion.
Atheism is a religion
>>18174487I'm not religious. Take your meds and improve your life
>Brantley, it's me, your real dad.Good job totally owning that christcuck with your harsh but fair words. I'm proud of you.As you have intuited, I left you and your mother because I am a secret CIA operative on an important undercover mission. I will be back in your loving arms soon, and that will be the end of Stan acting like he's in charge.But it won't be all happiness and rainbows, son! I demand that you straighten up and stop drinking sugary beverages, and also from now on you're going to go on walks every other day around the neighborhood.And what I say goes because I'm your dad.Now go help your mom launder your jizz towels and eat a moderate amount of food for dinner, and then no more food until pop tarts tomorrow morning.
>>18175365>>then explain sumerians keeping meticulous tax records with their god voicesInventing writing just so you can make receipts and tax records is honestly pretty funny. I love those dudes.
>>18174402I used to think it was far-fatched, but seeing how people today are outsourcing their thinking to AI, maybe he was onto something.
>>18174402whenever you get told, you sulk away and make a new thread. could you stop?
