> The Nuremberg Trials Begins!The only time in history >following orders was globally rejected as an excuse.It pioneered simultaneous translation, using colored lights to signal which language was being spoken.The first trial was for 24 defendants, but only 21 actually appeared in the dock.It created the new legal terms >crimes against peace" and >crimes against humanity.The chief American prosecutor was a Supreme Court justice who took a leave of absence.Hermann Göring was a charismatic defendant who extensively debated the prosecutors.Ten of the convicted were hanged, but Hermann Göring cheated the noose by suicide.The judges came from the four Allied powers: the US, UK, France, and the Soviet Union.It was the first time a head of state was held criminally responsible in an international court.The extensive film and photographic evidence became a permanent record of Nazi atrocities.Three defendants were acquitted, a controversial outcome that surprised the world.
>>18175381>a head of statehitler?
Top Nazi SS officers, scientists and financiers escaped without punishment, cutting deals with the US intelligence, the OSS. This left junior or logistical officers to face the full brunt of the trial. The idea of the banality of evil comes from an inaccurate assessment of Eichmann, his letters, however, displayed his hatred of jews something he hid under his mild-mannered display while on trial.Roosevelt's official stance was that there was no deal negotiating a surrender for the Nazis. However Allen Dulles, lieutenant of the OSS (the CIA before the CIA, which Dulles would later become head) reached out and made a deal with SS General Karl Wolff who served directly under Himmler. Dulles made a verbal agreement to protect Wolff from prosecution at the Nuremberg trial when the two met in Switzerland under the neutral Swiss intelligence officer Max Waibel. Churchill paid close attention to the negotiations himself but the Soviets were cut out of these negotiations. This violated the Casablanca agreement, which caused a rift in US and Soviet relations early on. The head of the SS intelligence, Reinhard Gehlen realising that the war was lost and that the US did not have intelligence on the level of the Soviets set up in Europe at the time surrendered to the Americans who he knew feared communism after the 1920s Red Scare. Gehlen who claimed he never truly believed in Nazi ideology, was taken to Virginia, where the current day CIA headquarters are located, he offered his underground network to Dulles to fight against communism. Gehlen was allowed to return to West Germany in 1946, rebuilding his network of intelligence with many of the Gestapo, SS veterans, bureaucrats and financiers that had survived or escaped the Nuremberg trials. These deals are blamed by later historians for allowing the more well known nazi's to flee to south America and the middle east while Karl Wolff's daughter would later convert to islam.
>>18175397Dönitz was officially named President of the Reich in Hitler's testament
>>18175470>head of the SS intelligenceGehlen was Abwehr (Reichswehr intelligence) and had nothing to do with the SS. His organisation (the later BND) hired and protected SS veterans though.
>It is illegal to lose a warAlways has been, always will be, as it should be.
>>18175496Don't quote laws to men holding swords. I don't know if back then it was already hypocrisy or an honest, audacious attempt at establishing international law, but today the blatant hypocrisy of international law is appalling.
>>18175504>sign orders ordering death of millions>gets punished for itwaow
>>18175531not the point
>>18175549Litterally is the point. Vae victus faggot.
>>18175554Point: missed again. Keep trying. After activating spell check, edgelord.
>>18175557>stormtranny crying about edgelords
>>18175381Isn't failure to follow orders punished sometimes quite severely? Honestly I appreciate the notion that you need to take responsibility for your own actions at some point but aren't soldier being coerced under threat of violence to their person to follow orders? It honestly seems very out of step with current values.
>>18175560>no, see, actually, I HAD to herd those women and children into a barn and set the barn on fire and shoot at any of the children trying to crawl out of the windows. I just HAD TO!
>>18175561OK. If i look up the punishment for refusing to follow direct orders will it involve things you might justifiably want to avoid?
where was the trial for the american pilots who killed over 100,000 civilians people in nagasaki and hiroshima
>>18175570Please, post the punishment German soldiers received for refusing to burn and shoot women and children.
>>18175571shouldn't bomb pearl harbor?
>>18175560The amount of German soldiers who were court martialed for disobeying unlawful orders was minuscule compared to the amount of atrocities they willingly committed.
>>18175580japs didn't do it
>Hey my anglo brethren, what if we simply tortured people to get them to say what we want?>Capital idea you russkie communist and my greatest ally, let's do that!>I am American and I already do this and will continue doing it well into the 21st century>*raucous jewish laughter*
>>18175945Which Nuremberg defendants were tortured anon?
>>18175947>None, Schmoyel! Isn't that right, Schmuley?>That's correct Schmekle, and our friend Schmipple has written a definitive book disproving it!>So you see Shmaltzey, we investigated ourselves and found no evidence of our wrongdoing!>*chorus of oy veys, cheering of golden goblets of child's blood, slurping down of foreskin canapés*
>>18175954/pol/tranny melty
>>18175957>Reach into your big bag of Shut It Down buzzwords, Schmooble, and pull one out!>Works every time, Schmandey!
>>18175959Tranny melty intensifies
>>18175381Sets a precedent that mock trials can be held for heads of state if they are ever at your mercy.
>>18176007>It's not working Schmembley! It's not Shutting it Down like it did in 2020!>Well keep trying Schmooples, it's worked for 80 years so it'll surely still work today!
>>18176093Tranny so insane with fury that steam is shooting out of xir ears.
>>18175381>Three defendants were acquitted, a controversial outcome that surprised the world.All three were well-deserved acquittals. Frankly there was an argument to drop the charges against Jodl and Keital too on account of their both having personally signed the German instrument of surrender.>>18175470>Top Nazi SS officers, scientists and financiers escaped without punishment, cutting deals with the US intelligence, the OSS.One of the defendants was Ernst Kaltenbrunner, the literal No. 2 of the SS (and the highest ranking surviving SS member as Heydrich and Himmler were both dead). Curious that you neglected to mention that the Soviet Union also went out of its way to recruit ex-Nazis.>>18175560>Isn't failure to follow orders punished sometimes quite severely?These guys weren't just following orders, they were writing them. Also, as officers still had the option of resigning their commissions if they found orders objectionable and could not be legally punished for it.The "I was just following orders" argument only really holds any water with foreign-born SS recruits such as the Trawnikis since they were1. Previously Soviet prisoners of war (not German citizens who were at least nominally protected by German law) who had already been brutalized by their German captors (70% of Soviet soldiers who fell into German hands died).2. Effectively coerced into joining the SS (sign up and get three hot meals a day or stay in the POW camp and starve to death) and made to serve under extraordinary duress.3. Subjected to extreme mistreatment even in German service (such as being executed by their German-born officers for the most trivial acts of disobedience) and had genuine reason to fear for their safety if they did not obey unlawful or immoral orders.
>>18175381What actually happened >Germans said they were following orders when they committed what the tribunal said were war crimesWhat retards think happened>Nazis said they gassed Jews because they were following ordersThere were two people ever charged with gasing Jews and one was the minor assistant of the main guy and they don't even say he gassed a hundred thousand Jews.
>>18175945they made up bullshit while they collaborated with anyone who didn't get caught or who was not well known enough
>>18176102Officers who were to well known and had already been jailed awaiting trail was not spared. It wasn't the entire Allied intelligence apparatus that was in on it, on the contrary it seems Allen Dulles took the initiative on his own without Roosevelt signing off on it even Churchill found it strange. From what I've read none of them were recruited willingly but were forced to work for them. What Nazi turned soviet collaborators did I miss?
>>18176100>Did you try Ol' Reliable, Schomblich?>I did Schtorkle! I called him a tranny! It's supposed to make the goyim do as we say! But he's still bringing up the fact that we tortured confessions out of people!>TRY CALLING HIM GAY OR BLACK THEN! I'LL GET THE RABBI!
>>18175381>making up the laws as needed>trial
>>18175945Nazis never gave anyone a trial so posts like this are basically the equivalent of a nigger crying racism after shooting someone.
>>18176067It is ironic, because they based their whole argument around the idea that the precedent had already been set.It wasn't really, of course, but that was a apart of their BS argument. They had to add an aire of formality to their foregone conclusion to execute each and every one of those Nazi sons of bitches.
