If christianity is proto-communism, then why did the soviet union try to exterminate it instead of taking advantage of it?
>>18176491Because anyone with a few brainscells knows its all bullshitAll gods are mythologiesAll holy books are fictionalReligion is like snakeoil, it does not cure anything and there is no actual truth in it, and the only reason people believe it is because of the placebo effect
>>18176491This argument is so regarded it loops back to being Christian.> Blessed are the poor =/= Seize the means of production you have nothing to lose but your chains.One is spiritual cope, the other is a materialist revolutionary program.Church was the single largest feudal landowner and enforcer of the Tsarist state. Soviets saw it as an organ of class oppression to be dismantled, not a bunch of based comrades. Communism is atheist and materialist by doctrine. It views religion as the opiate of the masses, a tool to make the proles accept their misery in this life for a promise of a next one. It's the antithesis of revolutionary consciousness.> why did the soviet union try to exterminate it because it was the ideological enemy and a rival center of power
>>18176498> believe it is because of the placebo effectAtheism peaked in the 19th century. Now even brown people believe in it.
>>18176508If this was true communists would be going after Muslim religious powers as well, but they don’t. They only attack Christians (look up guys like Haz, he argues Islam is perfectly compatible with communism)
>>18176498>anyone with a few brainscels knows its all bullshitCommunism? yes indeed.
>>18176491Because it's a religion and thus Marxism opposes it by default.And yes, it is proto-communist, it is universalist, emancipatory, and first spread among slaves and other lower classes in Rome.
>>18176622One thing I'll never tire of pointing out is how Julian, one of the greatest friends the Jews ever had, wrote that Christianity was not the universal religion, but a mere local cult, and in fact Roman Paganism was the true universal religion. I think you're just using words without having any concept of what they mean while also not having any grounding in a real historic tradition.>and first spread among slaves and other lower classes in RomeAnd also this is false. It would be more accurate to say it spread through the cities, but certainly not just among the poor. Christ Himself was buried in a tomb provided by a rich man.
If buddhism is proto-internet, then why did India try to improve it instead of hosting the Olympics?Guys?Please?
>>18176622>first spread among slaves and other lower classes in Rome.This is not true, but it doesn’t matter, you’ll keep repeating it. Its infiltration of Roman society came from the bureaucracy, the military, and wealthy widows. Rome was about 10% Christian when Constantine converted - and surprisingly enough, the emperor didn’t convert to the religion of slaves.
>>18176634>>18176695Debunked by AI
>>18176491 It was created by the same priestly educated type of person who views himself as a champion of the poor and opressed while having no real understanding of them. In actualizing their dream project most of the people he views himself as a champion of will be destroyed aswell of course, and even if utopia is achieved it's devoid of possibilty of human greatness.Well, atleast those rich opressive assholes get what they deserve and hierarchy among men is no longer a thing.Also, why is Jesus black?
If you're not sure the Bible is the word of God watch: youtube.com/watch?v=9l5ZEsXjNVI1 Cor. 15:3-4: “For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:” How to know you're saved: youtube.com/watch?v=EAtR40sue5M1 John 5:7: "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."Rom 3:23: “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;”Jesus Christ is God who has come in the flesh from heaven. He died as a sinless sacrifice for the sins of the whole world to save you from eternal hell, the punishment for your sin. He was buried, then resurrected and then ascended to heaven. John 3:16: “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” John 10:28: "And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand." Rom. 10:9: “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."God wants to forgive you, but you have a choice: Do you choose the righteousness of God by receiving Christ? Your own righteousness can NEVER justify you or keep you saved because of your sin. Rom 5:9: “Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.” Salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, in His finished blood atonement. The gift of salvation can't be earned. Receive Jesus Christ as He is; The Lord and Savior, King, as well as Prophet and Priest, Sovereign [ruler] as well as God.Eph. 2:8-9: “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” youtube.com/watch?v=_VRT2FFXntc
>>18176712Jesus was born in a barn and his family had to immediately flee the country so he wouldn't be put to death, how in the world is that not being poor and oppressed?>>18176712>Also, why is Jesus black?People have darker skin in those orthodox icons, I guess because of the way they're made. Idk too much about the process. I just know everyone in them has darker skin.
>>18176854I was talking about Paul primarily as I'm not convinced Jesus preached any of the stuff that was later put in his mouth.
>>18176622>proto communist except it took 1900 years to for people that hated it to invent communism???
>>18176573they do go after islam too you stupid MIGAnigger
>>18176911What do you think proto means?
>>18176937>protoIf your claim is that the contextualization of ideas in a secularized Christian cultural environment led to the creation of Communism, sure. But then you're not really saying much at all. You might as well say it's proto Smithsonian economics too. Do you grasp the nuance of an antithetical idea emerging that does not necessarily represent its host culture through and through? How much does the CCCP have in common with the Roman Curia or the Patriarchate of Constantinople politically?
>>18176947>Roman Curia or the Patriarchate of ConstantinopleThat wasn't real Christianity.
>>18176948what definition of Christianity makes your label of proto communism make sense? It seems like only chronology matters to you, if that's the case Christianity is could be called proto-islam in that islam could not exist in exactly the form it does now without responding to prior Christian ideas. And if chronology and not agreement is your label then you aren't really saying anything important or meaningful.
>>18176491What does that say?
>>18176491Remember where they’re coming from. They’re centered in the Russian empire. A place where even the slightest glimmer of enlightenment is crushed under the iron heel of medieval autocracy. One piece of that autocracy was the church. Spirituality was used as a weapon of terror against anyone who might oppose the order of the ruler and his lackeys. So of course they had a deeply hostile reaction to what they saw as Christianity. They saw it at its most ugly and hypocritical.
Most of the communist states (or countries that had strong communist movements like Spain or Italy) had highly institutionalized churches that were joined at the hip to the state that these communists were trying to overthrow so naturally they would be enemies.I think is communism ever really took off on a protestant country with no official state church it would have had a much less hostile relationship with communism. Although you could argue Calvinist/Reform Christianity is created such strong cultural priors for accepting the legitimacy of capitalist assumptions about the world that that's a big reason why communism never took off in these sorts of places.
>>18176959What actually is the difference between Christianity and Marxism in terms of their core values?Aside from Marxism being atheistic of course
>>18176994let me know if I missed any points. By the way the athiestic/thiestic difference has so many permutations as to probably be the most significant but I won't talk about it.Marxism advocates for class struggle and views history as a class struggle. Christianity views social authority as legitimate when it upholds right practice, and even demands submission to authority despite injustice in some circumstances.Marxism advocates for collective ownership to (among other things) resolve economic and social injustice. Christianity values private property (yes, even before capitalism, and it doesn't necessarily value it the same way as capitalism) and is not actually particularly concerned with "economic justice". It tells its adherents to focus on the immaterial soul and its place before God, and that a focus on material things is often less than ideal, even detrimental to one's ultimate wellbeing.Marxism views history atheistically, what happened occured for no divine reason. Christianity is obviously different.Marxism values labor in and of itself, and views not receiving the full fruits of one's labor as oppression. Christianity says that labor if done with the wrong attitude to the divine can actually be a sin.Marxism holds that once a communist state is achieved, or a utopia, it must be protected at all costs. Christianity holds that there will never be a utopia on earth.There are many more differences, and this is just a small list. Feel free to correct.
>>18176491>negro JesusIt think this artist also accidentally made an ant-nigger racialist propaganda.
>>18176491Town too small for the two of them, same shit with nazis
>>18176911>NTATo be brutual and crude, all leftism derives from plato, all rightism derives from Aristotle. Christianity is inherently an platonist religion that believes man is sinful and the material world is essentially evil. An alternative world of forms in the form of redemptive heaven. Thus the collective religion and it's adherents take precedence at every turn against an adherent. Very much the foundational basis for communism where men are chattel and the idea of the group is held as holy
>>18176706All e-pagans are Indians theory continues to look more compelling by the day.
>>18176911The parallels between Marxism and Nietzcheanism are actually pretty striking. Nietzsche's whole "philosophy" is based on an ahistorical projection of 19th century politics onto the past, "all history is class struggle" but from a right-wing perspective. Both Marx and Nietzsche were middle-class strivers resentful towards aristocracy and eager to usurp them.>>18177094Matter is not *essentially* evil in Christianity, but it is prone to generating it. Regardless, everything Western is downstream of Christianity because, in some form or another, all Western ideas are Christian ideas. Fascism is a middle-class reject's imitation of Chivalry, and Communism is the same for the priestly ethos, but only an idiot would mistake an inversion for the real thing.
>>18177109The AI cited its sources, you didn't. Did you make it up? Do you make this lie?
>>18177014Dude both Christianity and Marxism support mass immigration, it's that simple you wordcel
>>18177126The funny thing about this line of argument is that, even if it were true, exactly how decisive is this point? You say Christianity spread among the lower strata first. Well, in Northern Europe the exact happened, with elites converting first, and the faith spreading down from there. So what are we to make of that? But I'm not debating you and won't be replying to any of your posts because you are an Indian, I'm just writing this up for the white men in the thread.
>>18177122>Randomly starts sperging out about Nietzsche for absolutely no reasonYou got bullied on twitter again didn't you?
>>18176498>Everything came from nothing. We're magical space dust riding on fart clouds, Morty
>>18177155t's relevant to the discussion given that Marx's sentiment is being channeled ITT through the influence of Nietzsche.>bullied I often make fun of your kind for putting on this bizarre high school bully performance. You may be shoving me into a locker in your mind, but I'm not so sure anyone else finds this display impressive.
>>18177014In The Old Testament, Yahweh explicitly tells David that Jews shouldn't have a King, because having a ruler leads to war, poverty, famine, and suffering.In the New Testament, Jesus fights the power of the state, finance, and religion as temporal power structure.The Holy Bible is an anarchist book in actuality
>>18177187nigga just skipped paul
>>18177235The epistles are relevant but not necessary to refute him since what's more relevant is his outright lying about the content of the Bible. The entire reason the Jews rejected Jesus was because they thought they would get a Messiah who fought the state, and he didn't do that. The Bible is by far the most widely lied about work in history.
>>18177187>In the New Testament, Jesus fights the power of the state, finance, and religion as temporal power structure.Interesting interpretation...
>>18177122I don't know, the foundation seems pretty much there with the original sin, the central point of repentance and the priestly vows of chastity and poverty. Why a vow of poverty if christianity likes the material world? Even compaeed to other religions, the propensity to shill the afterlife as hard as christions do seems to be almost communistic cope about getting fed to lions desu. The muslim prophet is a tradet,the religion has no popes or centralized clergy for a lack of the he supreme of the immaterial
>>18176491Same reason Microsoft stopped supporting Windows 10.
