“Everything that happens is predetermined, down to your thoughts and the breaths you take, but that doesn’t mean you should go around doing bad things”Do these people even listen to themselves?
questions about free will is a 2d being looking into 4d, it's meaningless
If I genuinely believed I had no free will I would kill myself. In fact I think it's the only moral thing to do in that frame of reference.
>>18199343Based on that jew atheist retard's beliefs that conclusion does not follow from the premises. They believe at the quantum level there is true randomness, so nothing could be predetermined. A random and consequential input to any system will always result in random output, always. Something random cannot be predetermined because it wouldn't be random anymore, duh.
Maybe he tried to say that there's still should be justice that prevents such behavior in deterministic manner. It's called preventive paradigm, I don't remember exactly, fix me
>>18199346I think they mean that all the choices you make in life are based on personal biases. You're not making random choices because everything you do is based on biases you've acquired through life
>>18199343Determinism justifies all behavior. Murder, rape, genocide, pedophilia, veganism, anything. If you hold a genuine belief in determinism, you have no right to criticise any form of behavior.
>>18199343they don't know. they have no idea what the words they are using even mean. they are basically manipulative automatons who have been programmed from birth by the lizard people to destroy the planet with their nihilistic ideologies and philosophies of life
>>18199343Even in purely deterministic world humans would still have free live because they operate on incomplete information with countless faults. How free it is can be left to a meaningless debate. For animals it is harder to tell since they tend to pick the optimal approach to things. Humans instead chase the maximum possible reward which makes them do the most retarded of decisions on the off chance that it actually might work.
i believe in prepaid will
>>18199351the definition of reward varies, like a person might want to fap their whole life and another might want to be a doctor
>>18199352based
>>18199343flawed understanding of causality and personal responsibility
>>18199348Quote says "everything that happens" so it's more than just choicesChoices are definitely biased based on brain chemisry and genetics though, and a little bit of upbringing. Potatoniggers are more prone to alcoholism for instance and it's not even questionable that it's due to genetics. Most pornstar prostitutes were sexually abused as kids and that biased their choice towards entering porn etcBias isn't the same as "predetermined"
>>18199343>“Everything that happens is predetermined, down to your thoughts and the breaths you take, but that doesn’t mean you should go around doing bad things”As much as I hate this type, they're not wrong to point out that determinism has no bearing on what counts as acceptable behavior. Some people (e.g. you) are too stupid to see it on their own, so the intention there is to steer your flawed cognitive process away from a wrong conclusion that will harm you and others the same way you divert a train to a new track. Manipulating you with thinly-veiled moralizing rhetoric works out under their framework. There is no contradiction.
>>18199346>They believe at the quantum level there is true randomness, so nothing could be predetermined. A random and consequential input to any system will always result in random output, always. Something random cannot be predetermined because it wouldn't be random anymore, duh.Randomness doesn't imply free will. Marbles on a Galton board for example don't have free will, ye their behavior is random
>>18199343overcoming inherited/human-all-too-human morality is the final obstacle to becoming a free spirit or Übermensch.
>>18199349our criticism is predetermined too retard, it's all a program evolutionary function, "levels" in a simulation as it were
>>18199357>Retarded wall of text>Way off topicWhat they’re saying is something along the lines of “look you can’t make your own choices but you should still choose wisely”
>>18199343I dont think humans will ever be able to accept that free will doesnt exist. We havent even be able to shrug off the abrahamic religions for 2000 years despite them being blatantly retarded. When the most popular popsci channel sided with free will, i knew it was over for us biological robot brosHow does one cope with ethical societal reforms being an impossibility?
>>18199654>How does one cope with ethical societal reforms being an impossibility?Solace in the fact it's already collapsing, change must happen
>>18199654>When the most popular popsci channel sided with free will, i knew it was over for us biological robot brosWas it Big Think? Lol>We havent even be able to shrug off the abrahamic religions for 2000 years despite them being blatantly retarded. I don’t think they’ll ever die out, there’s simply too many things they “accidentally” got correct, lol. Like determinism.
What has been is what will be, and what has been done is what will be done, and there is nothing new under the sun
>>18199673It was Kurzgesagt, i didnt know about Big Think but its just more nails in the coffin
