This is beyond embarrassing.
>>18209404>th-fronting>th-stopping>copula loss>change in voicing >non-rhoticity >habitual beWhat's embarrassing? Seems like pretty straight forward changes. Most of these changes are also found in the transition from Latin to the Romance languages.
>>18209429a lot of these posters on /his/ don't care about /his/tory nor the humanities.
>>18209404I love these threads because it's just OP inadvertently admitting he think southern White people sound stupid.
>>18209429>>18209445It looks and sounds beyond retarded. Everyone sees this the same way. Nobody takes this shit seriously. Speak like an actual human being.
>>18209441No, I'm sure they care about it. They're just too low-IQ to have any deep understanding of it. >>18209466Oh, I will not be talking like that any time soon. But arguing that there's something wrong with talking like that is beyond retarded. I'm sure speakers of Middle English would say the same thing about how we talk now. Compare the Germanic languages: English th-words correspond to d-words in German, Dutch, etc. Does German sound less "human" than English. Yes. Yes it does.
>>18209445Who doesn't think that?
>>18209466>Speak like an actual human beinghttps://youtu.be/AXGP4Sez_Us?t=21
>>18209404Actually, the most offensive thing about this is the term "Standard American English."There's no such thing. They probably want General American; even still, it's not accurate. Eye-dialect spelling doesn't imply what they think. Many British people have th-fronting, they still spell it as "th," not "f".
>>18209466Let me guess, you're some nasally faggot from the coast who can't speak two sentences without inserting the word "like".
>>18209466Yeah, I agree with this guy >>18209496Vocaroo your own accent before shitting on others.
>>18209514>>18209496I don't speak ooga booga, sorry.
>>18209521>I can't understand the closest thing to original American English as was spoken 300 years agoShitskin moment
>>18209494OP is a retard, but "Standard American English" is a thing, and is defined by school curriculum standards and American English Dictionaries which standardized American spelling, which ultimately came from the 1806 Noah Webster Dictionary, and the reason some of the spelling choices were likely used was to remove some unnecessary Frenchisms in common English words that still exist in UK English, such as the word 'Colour' for example.
>>18209527>Dippity Dippin dab doo wap talmbout
>>18209484>muh deep understandingWhat's happening here is the rationalization and attempt to reason your way out of an inevitable conclusion; the vulgar registers of latin resulted in different languages with varying changes due to some local colloquialisms and outside influences and constitute a pretty interesting linguistic phenomenon, what is occurring here in picrel doesn't resemble that, (even though funnily enough when "ebonics" is criticized it DOES resemble imperial era Latin criticisms of common spoken Latin). There isn't an African influence on afro-American english, or any that is of real consequence, so where indeed do these rapid simplifications come from? Interestingly VERY similar changes had to be made to the English language for subsaharans that remain in Africa today which results in pidgin, which gets treated as a real language or dialect as well, every single reasonable conclusion drawn for why this is happening should include the reality that black people are inherently less intelligent than those who imposed this language. It isn't the same as the changes to English made by other groups; Singlish for example isn't heavily simplified english, it has consistent yet rather complex grammar. Blacks are fucking stupid it is inherent. By all rights should be classified as a completely different species of Hominid, 20% DNA from Homo-Erectus relict populations in central africa certainly doesn't help. Deal with it, move on.
>>18209527That's not true. At all.>>18209521No, just speak in your normal accent.
>>18209537>It's not the same because I hate brown people
>>18209537if you didnt schiz out at the end you'd be the most correct dude in the thread. Yeah what is happening to the English spoken by niggers is a capacity issue; it wouldn't be these sweeping monolithic changes nationwide and honestly in some respects worldwide as you rightly mentioned, if it wasn't inherent.
>>18209537>rapid simplifications come from?They're not all simplifications. Habitual be is a more complicated tense.While /θ/ > /t/ is a simplifications, it is, again, one that is also seen in English's sister language of Dutch. You learn plosives before fricatives.Again, these changes are mirrored by changes seen in the UK among wealthy upper-classes. They're natural changes. You're free to hate it. I have a Brooklyn accent and I hate that it's dying. Too bad!>20% DNA from Homo-Erectus relict populations in central africa certainly doesn't help.It's definitely not Homo erectus; it's from a super archaic that broke off about 750kya. Too late for erectus.Hate to have to break it to you, though, most biologists have moved away from biological speciation.
>>18209550I am not referring to brown people though... I'm referring exclusively to black people, and I won't stand for that distinction to get blurred because while you're right I absolutely do hate brown people, there are degrees to this. or as a you might say "levels to dis shiet cuh"
>>18209466An English speaker in 1700 would think the same thing about you. Why don't you comprehend that?
>>18209537>By all rights should be classified as a completely different species of Hominid, 20% DNA from Homo-Erectus relict populations in central africa certainly doesn't help.But that's not true at all, Homo-Erectus is a species of human you moron.
>>18209561>>18209429>Um actually the existence of language changing, linguistics and the fact that people have said this before means you can't have any opinions of your own CHUD!This is the most reddit response possible.
>>18209565You can have opinions. You can think it's the ugliest accent in the world.What you can't is claim that it implies things about the speakers.Sapir-Whorf is beyond retarded.Dumb commie bullshit.
>>18209564You and I appear to be on the same side, but you clearly don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Please stop. You're making me look bad.Thanks!
>>18209553you just (you)'d me and I am also from Brooklyn. (Bay ridge) and I can tell you, right now, since I know you are one of those extremely tiresome niggers from brooklyn who style themselves an intellectual, none of what you said is coherent and is only meant to appear that way, and you will not address any arguments you'll simply assert things using terms you've picked up in the wrong context. Habitual "be" is not more complex, right because it removes a variable from sentence structure, shove a "be" in there and you're alright, not exactly complexity and there's no rules. In fact I'd argue some complexity is being introduced with the introduction of the "perpetual stay".
>>18209568Anon, the people speaking this way are always and without question less intelligent than the average person. You know this is true.
>>18209565Nobody said you can't have opinions but the fact of the matter is that English has been mutating throughout it's lifespan, as have other languages, and the development of "ebonics" is not fundamentally different from any of that. If I met Shakespeare we'd find eachother's "English" substantially different, if ultimately intelligible, and he'd probably think that modern English is some barbaric degeneration.
>>18209579>since I know you are one of those extremely tiresome niggers from brooklynI'm Italian-American and I live in Suffolk, in part, to get away from those people. Also to get away from people like you, though.It's all coherent. I will address you're arguments when you make them.>Habitual "be" is not more complex, right because it removes a variable from sentence structure, Habitual be has no parallel in Gen Am and does not remove a variable. Also, in linguistics, variable means something else.Really we should define what we mean by complexity before continuing. If a language loses an inflectional system but gains tones is it more or less complex?
>>18209537>Interestingly VERY similar changes had to be made to the English language for subsaharans that remain in Africa today which results in pidgin, which gets treated as a real language or dialect as well, every single reasonable conclusion drawn for why this is happening should include the reality that black people are inherently less intelligent than those who imposed this languageEnglish spoken or written by educated Africans is virtually indistinguishable from English spoken by educated people in the Anglosphere, and most blacks can code switch. I'm unaware of any language that indicates that native speakers are inherently less intelligent or deficient somehow.
>>18209596You don't get to say "in linguistics variable means something else". I am using the word variable in the way that it is used in common parlance because we aren't talking about word-use we're talking about sound changes and I can say the word variable in this situation even in an academic context and it would be received just fine. Once again, that tiresome evasive nigger bullshit and that "i'm surrounded by idiots as a midwit with an internet connection I must be a genius" affectation.
>>18209612>Gauls are inherently less intelligent than Romans
>>18209612Nice assertion, ok English spoken or written by whites with only a high school education does not even vaguely resemble that English which is spoken or written by a nigger with the same education. So let's not judge all niggers by the rightmost foothill on the ol' bellcurve.
>>18209404Me on the right
>>18209614>You don't get to sayWhy not?I accepted your usage, I was just informing you. It was a "by the way.">Once again, that tiresome evasive nigger bullshit and that "i'm surrounded by idiots as a midwit with an internet connection I must be a genius" affectation.Not a genius, not even smarter than you.Just less ignorant in this tiny sub-field that really doesn't fucking matter in the slightest.
>>18209612>I'm unaware of any language that indicates the speaker is less intelligent inherently and as you know so many studies have been done in this regard and academics are not EXTREMELY afraid of the conclusions and resulting humanitarian issues from such a study and others like it.
>>18209629Yeah just a "by the way". It always blows me away how unironically smug blacks are when they've achieved what I'd consider to be academic bare minimums. Really confirms some thoughts about what must feel like an impossibly difficult task to them.
>>18209637Again, I'm Italian-American.Ij song 'talian, nun song nu nir. >I do not have an argument, I just want to quibble.You really are a Brooklynite. Beautiful.
>>18209637The idea of you seething about successful black people is mildly amusing to me.
>>18209404English (US)English (UK)English (Nig)soon™English (Saar)
>>18209537>Creole languages don't exist because I hate brown peopleSo French, Italian, Portugese, and Spanish aren't real languages, gotcha! English is a French/Anglish creole, French is a Latin/Dutch creole. English is literally a creole of a creole.
>>18209645That already exists and has for centuries.They tend to heavily use retroflex consonants.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_EnglishThey're just the worst. They genuinely think they can speak English than native english speakers.
>>18209553Nigger shut the fuck up you actual disgusting subhumanLet's just ignore the problem where their mouths jut forward which is something modern humans have lost and this results in GREAT difficulty with the 'th' voiced and voiceless dental fricative for blacks. I was there - I was therehe was there - he was therewe were there - we was therethey were there - they was therethey are there - they thereI am here - I hereThey dropped 'ed' suffix completelyJULIE STAY READINWAT U TALMBOUT none of this is vaguely defensible.
>>18209646No it isn't. I know you're black and you need to try to throw this very common and weak jab at those whom you see as an oppressor but English isn't a creole despite the fun thought experiment you listened to once that you took too seriously, because if we treated English as a creole then there would be no such thing as a creole; Latin has borrowed vocabulary, and if you are into reconstructive linguistics you'd know you have to go back to the dawn of language to find the only language which is not creole. Moreover if I am going to grace you with actual academic reply English retains a GREAT deal of its structure and only received a trickle of loanwords over MANY centuries which have rather than taking the place of their original word have occupied a separate but related meaning, which has only added complexity to the language; whereas with something like hatian creole, it gains a fair bit of vocabulary from the african language but NONE of its structure, and it forms from a pidgin very rapidly.
>>18209644He definitely isn't seething about successful black people though is he?
>>18209630Doesn't scare intelligence researchers or biologists much.
>>18209623Spoken maybe not, if in an informal context.
>>18209689Nope, they come from Vulgar Latin, literally lower class Latin spoken by lower class citizens of the Roman empire, it is the same thing
>>18209718That isn't even consistent with what we were talking about.... You are a nigger lol, can't even follow a thread of argument, just shouting platitudes and random vaguely related things you've heard. Literally a chimp mimicking human speech.
>>18209728No, you just hate black people and can't come up with an argument for why one is okay and the other isn't.
>>18209737Here let me just ground ya for a second; what does the advent of vulgar latin registers have to do with whether or not English is a creole language? I sent you a full response to why English isn't a creole of French, and you replied with AND I QUOTE >Nope, dey come from vulgar latin literally lower class latin spoken by lower class citizens of the roman empire it is same thingTell me how what you said is coherent or consistent with what we were talking about.
>>18209743>Ebonics isn't okay because it's from blacks >Everything else is okay because it isn't from blacksThat's literally all your argument boils down to lmao.
>>18209743lol that nigger is gonna reply with exactly what every nigger that styles themselves as an intellectual does, another nonsequitur, the beauty of the text format is they can't yell over you during a debate and do that affected smug fake laugh, while bystanders are too stupid or too scared to side against them.
>>18209743NTA but you didn't provide any real arguments as to why English isn't a creole even though for all intents and purposes it is indeed a Latin and Germanic Creole, it later became codified and standardized into the English we know it as today but this doesn't detract from its origins
>>18209747Yeah kind of actually. I didn't say it isn't "OK" that's not for me to say, and is wholly unacademic but it isn't a normal and natural linguistic shift that at all resembles ones that occurred in late iron age europe as was suggested. >lmaoHe's tryin but this is over text so he can't do the smug laugh and yell over people thing, all you've done here is affirm that you understand what I'm arguing at least kind of... Why do the sound changes in AAVE resemble so closely the sound changes and syntax changes that occur in afro-pidgin. We both know african languages had no real impact on AAVE due to the nature of American slavery. So how does this happen? Or why is it that AAVE develops nationwide among different and very isolated and separate afro-american populations? If not by way of heritable intellectual disparities between black people on the whole and the people who created the language.
>>18209754I did provide a number of reasons; >English retains a GREAT deal of its structure and only received a trickle of loanwords over MANY centuries which have rather than taking the place of their original word have occupied a separate but related meaning, which has only added complexity to the language; whereas with something like hatian creole, it gains a fair bit of vocabulary from the african language but NONE of its structure, and it forms from a pidgin very rapidly.
>>18209665>They dropped 'ed' suffix completelySo? As the inflectional system dies, the language becomes more analytical.Ever see Chinese or Japanese?Who cares if you use periphrasis instead of a synthetic form?Italian has a passato remoto which it rarely uses in favor of the passato prossimo. This is in contrast with Latin which had quite the number of synthetic forms for the past.>none of this is vaguely defensible.It's perfectly defensible! It's just ugly.
>>18209766The way you speak and your genetics have nothing do with each other. Do you think accents are genetic?
>>18209466This is routine stuff in linguistics
>>18209793>Retards have always been retards Okay?
>>18209789The way humans speak is not genetic. But if you taught an extremely intelligent chimpanzee how to approximate the English language, it would sound strange, and no matter WHERE that chimp was raised, it would sound similarly strange, because he is a chimp. much like how pidgin and aave adjustments to syntax and phonology are very similar.
>>18209804That is the funniest and most clever rebuttal to the reddit tier armchair apologist linguistics going on here.
>>18209429>raises his fist in the classroomDas rite. We wuz Romans.
>>18209789>Do you think accents are geneticThis is funny because the crux of every pro-ebonics advocate always goes back to "these things exist in Africa", which means that either A) the patterns MUST be genetic or B) they simply cannot learn or be taught, and this is how that cultural element would have survived since there's literally no other way other than to be unteachable.
>>18209565>>18209807Why are 4chinners so mad at reddit
>>18209819No one likes Reddit apart from a very specific demographic of midwit millennials really and even that group is thinning, it's not restricted to 4chan.
>>18209665> I was there - I was there>he was there - he was there>we were there - we was there>they were there - they was there>they are there - they there>I am here - I hereCopula-loss. Common in some languages; Russian, for example.
>>18209826Millennials created this website and all of the board culture/slang you co-opted for the past 15 years you dumb zoomer. Go back to twatter.
>>18209866/pol/tranny meltdown
>>18209864I don't get why you posted that picture
>>18209868evasive and duly unformidable as usual.
>>18209877he used it because it was the only smiling photo he had in the folder and he is desperate to appear unbothered.
>>18209866Why did you start seething about niggers out of nowhere?>>18209877Because I like The Shield.
>>18209804AAVE and the few remaining pidgins globally are super different. AAVE isn't a creole because it's still overall totally an English dialect. If AAVE were to be considered a creole or "not English" you'd have to make almost every other dialect of English a creole.
>>18209665>GREAT difficulty with the 'th' voiced and voiceless dental fricative for blacks.Many languages don't have the "th" sound globally at all. Several English dialect in the UK don't.
>>18209864based goggins poster
>>18209404Some of these are interesting. I find "no football" as a replace for the indefinite article "a" as an interesting ad-objective or whatever, but I don't like the redundancy of "don't have no...". It almost makes me think of languages that use gender to modify words.
>>18209404Wot a rum chap ye are! Lor' bless yer dear heart, now don’t you be hard upon me 'bout what I’m a goin' to say, beg ye pardon, when you's lived as long as I has, sir, you’ll know better than to take on in that way, bless yer dear heart! Think what it be for a tongue to change, do. This here cant wot nobody can't speak no more us't be none other than the Queen's own or thereabout, the young missis Victoria's that is. Yer think ye are right an' proper, always a-mocking them ineddicated paupers, but this warn't just them talkin' queer back then yer see, e'ry gen'l'man mighta spoke just so, that they did, 'tis true, I tell ye wot.
>>18209404AAVE looks more optimized and advanced.It's as if it be droppin' all useless bullshit.
And yet 4chen Virgins keep using Blacc speech in memes.>It do be like that>Based>Whomst've.
>>18210205that's 4chan american language, it is different and very much influenced by incel-speak american
>>18209404Habitual be is pretty useful, afaik it means doing something occasionally. Some non-English languages have similar modes."The girl dress" and "she tall" is weirdly consistent (this comes from shortening "is", which is also kind of incorrect, sounds like you talk about the tallness of a girl or something, then they just dropped the s).I talk to him is the one that bothers me because how do you tell when it is past or present tense?
>>18210212>how do you tell when it is past or present tense?It's the present because there's no temporal marker.Sicilian does something similar for the past; Japanese does for the future.>"The girl dress" and "she tall" is weirdly consistentIt's called zero copula - they omit the copular verb. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_copula
>>18209404>>18209466the eye dialect makes it look embarassing and retarded. You can tell the person who wrote it knows very little about actual linguistics
You sure can tell the samefag literal nigger in here spent a long time on cope.edu
>>18209404You're right, it is a dialect. In fact it is its own language entirely. Universities and job hirings, busses and in general everything should be divided between English speakers and Ebonics speakers and you should pass at least elementary level English classes to be able to use the English ammenities otherwise you will be required to use the Afro ammenities set aside specifically for them to ensure that they are properly accomodated.
>>18210594interesting proposalit's already the case universities segregate by race, at least when i was a student. who knows what is stopping them?
>>18210205"based" is the only one that was genuinely adopted after a long period of ironic usage, the others are still exclusively used as mockery.
>>18209466People get really mad when you don't take bix nood seriously, huh?
If you think that's bad you should see british english, lmao.
>>18209404There is a lot to break down in this image. Why does the person who made it feel offended? Does the book say anything negative about people who talk that way? Does it say that, "this is how stupid, uneducated people talk"? It doesn't seem so from the image. It looks like it just describes the way they talk, accurately.But probably the offense comes from that notion, that people think this way of speaking is stupid and uneducated. But that notion isn't stated anywhere. It's coming from somewhere else than from the book, which is just an accurate description of reality. The person who added the caption to the image that they "feel offended" probably has that notion coming from inside themselves, that "this is how stupid people talk," and so they're offended at something coming from inside themselves, and so if they're angry or upset they should be upset at themselves and not the book
>>18210921Anon, the people that speak like this are almost universally less intelligent than the average person. You know this is true.
>>18210949(Not the other anon)Yes, of course. But they're not less intelligent because of the way they speak. It's about discussing causal relationships.The problem being that many in this thread are dipping into ridiculous Sapir-Whorf arguments.Even if they dumbasses talked like the Queen they'd still be dumb.Feynman talked like a low-class New Yorker - still a great physicist. You don't think this accent is stupid because of an inherent feature - you think it's stupid because you've only heard dumb people talk with it.
>>18209560Nothing you say in this thread will hide the fact you are a retard who doesnt understand language.
>>18210949this is why no one likes yankees
>>18210229Why are you so mad?
>>18210949Most people in academia speak with an accent or are ESL, that's the nature of being in one of the most cosmopolitan fields in the world. The while fixation on accents seems like a thing that occurs in monolingual states.
>>18209404Most of this American southern speech, no?
>>18209581I disagree but I’m also black, I really enjoy southern dialects. NTA btw
>>18209623Sometimes I feel chuds are so racist there unable to make accurate statement to fortify arguments. Poor whites will almost certainly sound differently than whites in more affluent areas, that’s only acknowledging economic differences let alone things like location and time period
>>18210921>Hmm yes there is no reason why hood slang shouldn't be treated as a serious language
>>18209696I guess he has smug uppity nergo cock in his mind a good portion of the day
>>18210961>Blacks are stupid and the way they speak is stupidThis is basically the argument but although southern speech causes some seethe AAVE seems to hold even more negative perception despite southern speech being similar.
>>18211973Nah, Southerners don't do th-fronting. Southerners don't drop copulas, etc.
>>18209429>Seems like pretty straight forward changes.habitual be is a retention rather than an innovation, thoughit's a conservative trait of AAVE
>>18209579>not exactly complexity and there's no rulesthis is incorrecthabitual be isn't an infinitive (i.e. "to be"), but an inflected form thereof, expressing habitual conditions>these hoods be dangerous (habitual)and>these hoods are dangerous (constant)are grammatically different and not at all identical; they cannot be used interchangeablythis is an ancient tense (used all the time in the Old English (Anglo-Saxon) corpus) that AAVE preserves, while other English varieties have lost it
>>18209466Lol based.
>>18209466>Speak like an actual human being.So the South doesnt speak like people? AAVE and Southerm accents arent even that hard to understand at all unless your speech comprehension is ass or you're legit really bad at verbal IQ to the point you forced into monolingualism.
>>18214262>this is an ancient tense (used all the time in the Old English (Anglo-Saxon) corpus) that AAVE preserves,Nah, it's independently developed. It was already long-dead by the time Black English develops it.
>>18209404>>18209429>>18209445>>18209466https://youtu.be/zti2c1dKh0o
>>18215759People make fun of the way southerners speak all the time.
>>18209565I would argue it's far more reddit to think that any reply to your post that disagrees with you is somehow attacking you for having an opinion. It's either reddit or chud uncle who makes every family dinner uncomfortable or some combination thereof
OP be succin
>>18209404>We was there. We was kings and shit.
>>18209466Based.
>>18209404Kek. When I went to America I literally couldn't understand blacks. I didn't even know they were speaking "English" at first.
>>18216255As someone who has grown up around inner city black kids, many of them simply cannot speak, have speech impediments or something else going on whenever they try to talk.
>>18210205No lol
Hey nigs wanted representation, they can have it
>>18212032This lol
>>18209404letting niggers exist is beyond embarrassing.
If you equate "education" with "being taught what these words mean and how to use them" then yes people who speak this way are uneducated."Education" is what we call it when somebody sat me down and explained the difference between singular, possessive and plural. That is how I do it because I was "educated."If you can't, or weren't, or don't, then you are not practicing what you were educated in or were never educated in it.Hence, "uneducated."
>>18209445cousinfucking dixoids are just as bad as nogs, I agreeAmerica would have been unfathomably better off if we just let those hicks and their broken bucks secede and form their own mulatto bbc state
>>18218200Retarded /pol/tranny
>>18218947you will never be white
>>18218988
>>18219060Ok? I'm not hitler, I'm just a random white person who gets to enjoy white privilege. Enjoy being ugly and brown, mutt.
>>18219117>I'm just a random white person sure suckdeep
>>18218988you will never have a real ethnostate
>>18219127If Wakanda existed how would you feel?
>>18219240but Wakanda doesn't exist. It's fictional.
>>18209445Southern White people do not say>what dat is
Bump
>>18209537Pidgin is just a thing because of poor educationit's like saying a Jap is mentally deficient for using "engrish" when it's just a result of poor education and lack of use
>/his/sies twisting themselves into pretzels defending ebonicsEither the bunkerfaggot astroturfing is real or contrarianism has gone terminal.
>>18212032There are distinctive lower class and upper class southern accents, or at least some kind of inflection that people register as being posh.
>>18209728>can't even follow a thread of argument, just shouting platitudes and random vaguely related things you've heard.Very common desu. I remember my shock the first time I argued with one and realized he was actually incapable of understanding the argument.
>>18210147He never called ebonics a creole.>>18210212>Habitual be is pretty useful, afaik it means doing something occasionallyWhoever told you that is coping hard. It's not that defined. They use it in basically every possible tense of 'to be'
>>18209537Gee I wonder if the fact that they're from Africa has anything to do with their slang sounding like something from Africa. Hmmm
>>18209404>dat, deseHold on a second, all this time I was talking Nigga-cular?
>>18220102That doesn't have to be an either/or.
>>18209612>code switch>Are all da yt ppl gon? Guu dat was usin up all da enagi in mah undevelop fronta lobe >Anyway mup da doo didda po mo gub.
>>18220006West African pidgin isna creole and it's now seeing more use outside of colloquial settings.
>>18209630There is no conspiracy. You just never actually stepped foot in a post-secondary institution, or even did the bare minimum on reading up on how research is done.
>>18209537>There isn't an African influence on afro-American english, or any that is of real consequence,Anon, they came from fucking Africa.
>>18209466We have litterally school books from the late antiquity/ early middle ages where the teaches wrote seething comments over the youth talking and writing in "slang" instead of using "proper correct Latin" (most of the "slang" he wrote as mistakes were the ancestors of modern french/Spanish/italian words)
>>18222818>>18209565
>>18209537So why are actual African languages often frighteningly complex? Swahili has 9 noun classes (something analogous to genders in European languages in terms of how it's formed, though not associated with gender as in male or female) and that's considered simplified as Bantu languages go.
>>18209818Or they've persisted because of segregation and black parents continuing to pass them on to black children.
>>18212008That reason being?
>>18214262>>18215760As far as I know AAVE got it from Hiberno-English, which got it as a literal translation from Gaelic.>>18216255Of course you're going to have trouble understanding someone who speaks your language with a thick accent that you're not used to.
>>18222937>As far as I know AAVE got it from Hiberno-EnglishWe really don't know.Accents of the lower-classes were rarely of interest to the people who studied these things - unless they were used as a source of derision.Presumably, much of AAE's features are derived from Old Southern English. It's entirely possible. There were many settlers of Irish descent in the South. It's not like either poor Southerners, nor slaves were having there speech patterns noted in any real way.Minstrel songs, I guess.
>>18209404Crackas finna seethe at BLACK culture creation. Yall uncs be crashing out but yall kids fw our slang. "Based" is black slang btw but yall ain't ready for that yet
>>18222965Retard culture is what it is.
>>18222924Probably because they didn't have to be written down all that often. I might be wrong though, but also that's Swahili and sort of unrelated to the largely west African population of former slaves that created AAVE.
>>18223462>Probably because they didn't have to be written down all that often.What? What does that have to do with it?
>>18222924>So why are actual African languages often frighteningly complex>ten classes called simply Class I to Class X and containing all sorts of arbitrary groupings but often characterised as people, long objects, animals, miscellaneous objects, large objects and liquids, small objects, languages, pejoratives, infinitives, mass nouns, plus four 'locative' classes.Ah yes, so frighteningly 'complex'
>>18224684And that's not more complex than two or three genders? Not to mention the verb conjugation!
