>>18217453
We're judged by our ability, if you're too dumb to find the real church God won't hold it against you

>>18217462
The Bible doesn't say that

>>18217468
Paul does I think, in Romans 12
>For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law 13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified; 14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, 15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them) 16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.

>>18217475
Jesus said let there be no division among you and the gates of Hell would not overcome his church. Pick the wrong division and you go to Hell. Tick tock.

>>18217475
This is more of a testament regarding insurmountable impediments that necessarily restrict one from hearing the gospel, thus rendering the assent of faith impossible. Therefore, according to the apostle, for cases such as these, one is instead judged according to their adherence to the precepts of the natural law written on their hearts. Since the apostle is referring to natural precepts in Romans 1, it is evident that he is discussing the moral law, not the ceremonial law, as a gentile in North America could not possibly derive the circumcision of infants on the 8th day, for example, from an observation of nature.

Hence, it does NOT follow that an individual, who has unlimited access to information, can nevertheless be saved by virtue of their obedience to a false sect.

>"if they reject you they reject me and if they reject me they reject the one who sent me"
>"one Faith, one Lord, one Baptism"

>>18217453
>AHHHHH MY PRIEST SAID "WE BAPTIZE" INSTEAD OF "I BAPTIZE" AHHHHHHH IT BURNS

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It's going to be so based when hundreds of millions of Christians, many who are here on /his/, are going to be screaming in agony while burning in Hell.

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>>18217497
>>18217503
>Matthew 7:14
>For the gate is narrow and the way is constricted that leads to life, and there are few who find it.

Millions upon millions of Christians thrown into the lake of fire, burning for eternity :) Should have chose the right denomination.

>>18217475
The Bible says a lot of things.

Proof that the Bible is the Word of God:
fcbaptist.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Bible-proof.pdf
truthischrist.com/seven/

1 Cor 15:3-4: “For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:”

How to know you're saved youtube.com/watch?v=_VRT2FFXntc

1 John 5:7: "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

Rom 3:23: “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;”
Jesus Christ is God who has come in the flesh from heaven. He died as a sinless sacrifice for the sins of the whole world to save you from eternal hell, the punishment for your sin. He was buried, then resurrected and then ascended to heaven. John 3:16: “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” John 10:28: "And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand." Rom 10:9: “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."
God wants to forgive you, but you have a choice: Do you choose the righteousness of God by receiving Christ? Your own righteousness can NEVER justify you or keep you saved because of your sin. Rom 5:9: “Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.” Salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, in His finished blood atonement. The gift of salvation can't be earned. Confess The Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in prayer, that you trust in Him and believe He atoned for your sins on the cross.

Eph. 2:8-9: “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.”

>>18217453
You could just read the Bible and stop letting other people tell you what to think. That is, if you care about what God thinks.

https://truthischrist.com/seven/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCsPy4CY6hI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ919YomJjM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcvFX5uIRb4
youtube.com/watch?v=yS78mFJcvhQ

>>18217596
Which version of the Bible? Pick the wrong one and you go to Hell.

>>18217595
Enjoy Hell.

>>18217600
The King James Bible

https://truthischrist.com/seven/

It is the most printed book in the world, and it's not translated from the corrupt gnostic texts from alexandria, so it does not have errors or contradictions. Look at the link, you will become convinced if you're looking for the truth.

>>18217595
>Proof that the Bible is the Word of God:
the bible says so.

>>18217602
King james translates rhino as unicorn

>>18217604
Thats circular reasoning, or are you an atheist that doesnt want to look at the evidence therefore you claim I'm using circular reasoning?

>>18217602
Ooo, sorry, the correct answer was the NASB 1995. Enjoy Hell.

>>18217610
You will burn in Hell, I guarantee it.

>>18217612
Even without entering into this study on numbers, it is obvious after careful study, man could not have written the Holy Bible. The Scriptures were authored by God and penned via man without mistake i.e. the Scriptures are preserved perfect today in the Authorized Version aka KJV Bible.

truthischrist.com/seven/

>>18217602
>translated
Its already obviously the wrong version if it has to be a translation instead the actual original direct words of god.

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>>18217620
"It is obvious that God now needed to get both His OT and His NT welded together in a language that was common to the world. Only English can be considered such a language. The English language had been developing for many centuries until the late sixteenth century. About that time it finally reached a state of excellence that no language on earth has
ever attained. It would seem that God did the rest. He chose this perfect language for the consummation of His perfect Book. First England and later on the USA swept the globe as the most powerful nations on earth, establishing English in all the corners of the globe as either a primary or secondary language. Today nations who do not speak English must still teach English to many of their citizens. Even nations antagonistic to the West such as Russia and China must teach English to their business and military personnel. Thus in choosing English in which to combine His two Testaments, God chose the only language which the world would know. Just as He has shown in His choosing only one language for the OT and only one language for the NT, He continued that practice by combining those two testaments in only one language."

https://download.timefortruth.co.uk/docs/Christian_Soldiers_Battle_Notes.pdf

"To you, where is the perfect, preserved word of God today? (The ‘originals’ don’t exist, therefore you’ve never seen them!) If God could overshadow sinful men to produce the perfect inspired originals, why couldn’t He do it for the perfect preserved copies? Where does it say He can’t?"

>>18217628
>It is obvious that God now needed to get both His OT and His NT welded together in a language that was common to the world
Why is that obvious? Because most people are too lazy to learn some Hebrew and Greek? Not God's problem, put in the effort to understand his chosen languages or burn in Hell.

>>18217628
>a language that was common to the world. Only English can be considered such a language.
No, Latin was that language and it died and it wasn't even the language that any of the people in the book themselves spoke. Biblical god is just an incredibly poor long term planner and even in the first stories of the first book, he can't make up his mind if the sea people created the world's languages or if he did it himself to spite a tall building.

>>18217632
>>18217635
You're talking to a schizo or a bot or a brazilian

>>18217632
>>18217635
Well, i would rather believe the miracle that is the Bible in front of my eyes given by God rather than some guy on 4chan

>>18217644
By "believe" you mean impotently accept that rabbis and kings can do magic that you yourself can not and will not be able to do because of biblical bloodline prophecies that mean you will just have to serve the rabbis and kings of the world?

>>18217644
Those flames just got hotter

>>18217644
The miracle that contradicts itself hundreds of times lol

Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."

Romans 11:6 "And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work."

Galatians 2:21 "I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain."

Romans 3:24-25: "Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;"

Romans 8:3: “For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:”

Romans 4:4-5: "Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness."

Romans 10:9-10 "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

Titus 3:3-7 "For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another. But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life."

>>18217651
It doesn't.

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>>18217453

The real question is, which version of Spiderman is real. Pick wisely, or you will be webbed for all eternity.

>>18217652
It does

>>18217666
tobey maguire

>>18217665
People have tried to prove that many times in history, so far not a single person has been able to show something in the KJV Bible, the most printed book in the world, a single contradiction.

>>18217652
You're going to be so disappointed when you die and go to nothing instead of getting eternal life because Jesus isn't real lol

Fuck Paul and all the Apostles, dead forever and never coming back

>>18217673
I read the original Koine Greek, not that Gay King James mistranslation garbage

>>18217673
>the most printed book in the world

Appeal to popularity fallacy.

>>18217673
>a single contradiction
Two entirely separate genealogies for Jesus

>>18217673
I literally pointed one out already.
>>18217635
>if the sea people created the world's languages or if he did it himself to spite a tall building.

>>18217673
A contradiction in the KJV appears between James 1:13 and Genesis 22:1. In James, it says that God “cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man,” yet in Genesis, the text says, “God did tempt Abraham.” The two verses use the same English word “tempt” in the KJV but describe opposite claims about whether God tempts humans.

>>18217673
Another contradiction in the KJV concerns whether God can be seen. John 1:18 states, “No man hath seen God at any time,” yet Exodus 33:11 says, “the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend.”

>>18217673
Another contradiction in the KJV appears in the differing counts of David’s warriors. 2 Samuel 24:9 reports that Israel had “eight hundred thousand valiant men” and Judah “five hundred thousand men,” while 1 Chronicles 21:5 gives the totals as “one million and one hundred thousand” for Israel and “four hundred threescore and ten thousand” (470,000) for Judah. These conflicting numbers for the same census event create an obvious numerical discrepancy.

>>18217673
Another contradiction in the KJV appears in the creation sequence. Genesis 1 presents plants created on day three and humans (male and female together) on day six, while Genesis 2:5–7 describes man being formed before plants and before animals. These differing orders of creation create a conflict between the two accounts.

>>18217673
Another KJV contradiction is the cause of David’s census: 2 Samuel 24:1 says the LORD moved David to number Israel, while 1 Chronicles 21:1 says Satan provoked him, directly conflicting sources for the same event.

>>18217673
Another KJV contradiction is the time of the crucifixion. Mark 15:25 says Jesus was crucified at the third hour (9 a.m.), while John 19:14–16 implies He was still before Pilate at the sixth hour (noon), creating a timing conflict.

>>18217673
Another KJV contradiction is the timing of Jesus’ death relative to Passover. John 19:14-31 says he was crucified on the day of Preparation for the Passover (before the meal), while Matthew 26:17-19, Mark 14:12, Luke 22:7-15 depict him eating the Passover meal before his crucifixion, implying he died after Passover began.

>>18217683
You can google that, not a contradiction

>>18217686
Both I guess, i don't see how that contradicts. God made the babel people not understand each other by giving them different understandings of languages. Humans have also made languages

>>18217689
>>18217692
>>18217696
>>18217700
>>18217701
>>18217704
Explained here:
https://nashpublications.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/King_James_Bible/Answers-to-70-Apparent-Discrepencies-in-the-KJB.pdf

Except for some like Genesis 2:5-7 which even Googles AI can answer, "Genesis 1 gives the universal timeline; Genesis 2 zooms in on Eden, a specific cultivated garden needing human care, explaining why specific plants weren't growing there yet. The lack of plants in Genesis 2:5-6 refers to cultivated vegetation (requiring rain/tilling) not yet established in Eden, not the absence of all vegetation (which already existed from Day 3)."

None of these are contradictions, just misunderstandings from not looking at details enough.

>>18217705
>i don't see how that contradicts.
Obviously, when your position is that the book of contradictions contains no contradictions, you are going to go out of your way to not ever see how anything contradicts, as you have thoroughly proven.

>>18217707
You're not even showing Bible verses, you're just tweaking out in anger. Show me what "contradicts".

>>18217707
>>18217709
99% of Bible "contradictions" are just people purposely making one by saying "This verse says that grass is green, and this other verse says that grass is green and tall, WELL? Which one is it, green and tall, or just green? Contradiction!!"

>>18217673
Another KJV contradiction concerns Judas’ death and his money. Matthew 27:5-7 says Judas hanged himself, and the chief priests used the returned thirty pieces of silver to buy the potter’s field. In contrast, Acts 1:18-19 says Judas fell headlong, his body burst open, and the field was bought with the money he received for his wickedness, implying a different sequence and use of the money. The two accounts conflict on both how he died and what happened with the silver.

>>18217715
He hung himself Matthew 27:5, and then after he had hung himself he fell Acts 1:18, probably caused by the earthquake during the crucifixion Matthew 27:51-52

>>18217705
Not clicking your blog. I will continue to post contradictions in your Bible.

>>18217715
>>18217717

See? Right after I posted this example: >>18217713

The next argument (>>18217715) that tries to show a "contradiction" is the exact case scenario as: >>18217713

Case closed. There are no contradictions.

>>18217709
You will clearly just make up bullshit about unwritten details that resolve the contradictions instead of accepting that unlike your previous claims of literary perfection >>18217628, the stories aren't perfectly arranged in perfect language as is and you constantly need to add external context to make sense of them.

>>18217717
The Bible doesn't say that's what happened, you're making things up because you know it's a contradiction. He both threw the silver back at the pharisee priests and also bought a field with it? No.

>>18217720
I posted 8 contradictions, I will continue to post more. It's not my fault you are mentally ill and refuse to accept reality.

>>18217721
The stories make perfect sense, they don't need "external context" unless you are trying to find "contradictions".

>>18217724
Yep, he both threw the silver in the temple and also bought a field with it, as the Bible says.

>>18217726
You didn't post any, they are all clearly explained to not be contradictions.

>>18217673
A major KJV New Testament contradiction is in the thief on the cross. Luke 23:39-43 records one thief asking Jesus to remember him, and Jesus promising, “Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.” However, Matthew 27:44 and Mark 15:32 say both thieves mocked Jesus, contradicting Luke’s account of one thief’s repentance.

>>18217730
Both of them mocked Jesus, one of the thieves asked Jesus to remember him, not a contradiction.

>>18217729
>Yep, he both threw the silver in the temple and also bought a field with it, as the Bible says.

Proof you are mentally ill. I'll post more contradictions until you have a mental breakdown.

>>18217733
Or you could just do research to cure your own delusion instead of thinking others are wrong. There are no contradictions in the Bible, if there was we would know

>>18217731
Why would a thief that mocked Jesus then ask Jesus to remember him? You are mentally ill and have no concept of how human interactions work. It's a contradiction.

>>18217729
>they don't need "external context"
Except they do because you had to provide some external blog and some explanation that wasn't provided by the book.

>unless you are trying to find "contradictions".
If it were "perfect", then you wouldn't find contradictions no matter how hard you tried, but there are contradictions all over the place and you haven't once settled them with actual canon, but by referring to some external blog and expecting information to be known that was not directly provided in the "perfect" book.

>>18217736
Because he had a change of heart later. You can mock someone and then feel bad and apologize later.

>>18217735
>if there was we would know
You do know, its why you have a whole blog you are referring to in order to explain away all the contradictions that the book itself never resolved.

>>18217737
>If it were "perfect", then you wouldn't find contradictions no matter how hard you tried
Exactly, the Bible is perfect, so there isn't any contradictions.

>>18217739
Because you posted like a 100, and that document answers a lot of them

>>18217738
The why didn't the "perfect book" mention such a thing itself instead of relying on your assumptions?

>>18217742
It's not an "assumption". If I type, "2 people mocked someone, and one of the mockers later apologized to the person they mocked", apparently I need to also explain that the reason the person apologized to him is because he felt bad and has a change of mind, otherwise I have "contradicted" myself. Thats bull

>>18217741
>Exactly, the Bible is perfect, so there isn't any contradictions.
Then why is this thread pointing out so many?

>>18217741
>hat document answers a lot of them
I accept your concession, you can't find answers to the contradictions in the "perfect book" so you have to find external documents that support your bias instead.

>>18217453
What's the funniest option to be the one true version of Christianity, hypothetically? Any denomination, heresy, etc. counts.
Hard mode: No late antiquity gnostic heresies, no Mormons or JW, no otherwise boring fundies.

>>18217746
>one of the mockers later apologized to the person
Never happened, you are just hallucinating resolutions now because you can't even find them in your external document.

>>18217673
A major KJV New Testament contradiction with the Old Testament is in the prophecy of the virgin birth. Matthew 1:22–23 cites Isaiah 7:14, saying a virgin shall conceive and bear a son called Immanuel. However, in the Hebrew text of Isaiah 7:14, the word used (almah) means young woman, not explicitly virgin, creating a direct conflict between the Old Testament text and the New Testament claim of a virgin prophecy.

Another contradiction is Isaiah 7:14. Matthew 1:22–23 cites it as predicting Jesus’ virgin birth, but the context of Isaiah 7 shows the prophecy was given to King Ahaz about a child born in his own time as a sign of God’s deliverance, not as a messianic prophecy, creating a direct conflict between the original context and the New Testament application.

>>18217747
>Then why is this thread pointing out so many?
It tried to, but wasnt successful.

>you can't find answers to the contradictions in the "perfect book

Show me which ones are not addressed and i will tell you why it's not a contradiction then

>>18217750
>Never happened
No, that was a hypothetical story, one of the mockers asked Jesus to remember him, but that doesn't mean that he didn't also mock Jesus earlier, it's simply not a contradiction, no matter how hard you try to make it seem like it

>>18217738
>Because he had a change of heart later.

You made that up

>>18217752
Isaiah 7:14
“Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.”

If you're trying to go to some non-existant "original hebrew" or such, then this discussion isn't going anywhere. Young girl the word refers to implies the virginity. The translation into Greek highlights the virginity.

>>18217754
If I mock you, and then later don't mock you anymore and instead beg for mercy from you, it means I changed my mind from mocking you. Thats a change of heart.

>>18217673
A major KJV New Testament contradiction with the Old Testament is in the prophecy of Hosea 11:1. Matthew 2:14-15 cites it as predicting Jesus’ flight to Egypt, saying, “Out of Egypt I called my son.” However, Hosea 11:1 in its original context says, “When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt,” referring to the nation of Israel, not a future Messiah, creating a conflict between the Old Testament meaning and the New Testament application.

>>18217752
>but wasnt successful.
Its is successful going by the book alone, you could only resolve the contradictions by invoking external documents and hallucinated nonsense.

>Show me which ones are not addressed and i will tell you why it's not a contradiction then
None of them were addressed with the "perfect" canon, you brought up some blog instead because canon alone wasn't ample enough to resolve a single contradiction that was introduced.

>that doesn't mean that he didn't also mock Jesus earlier
So show the source where your resolution is actually mentioned in the "perfect book" instead of being left up to the readers imagination to hallucination something that resolves the contradiction in their mind.

>it's simply not a contradiction
Except it is a contradiction to mock someone whose opinions you value, either he deeply valued jesus's insights or he thought they were a mockery, it can't be both.

>>18217760
"Typology: This is the primary lens. Israel (type) went to Egypt and was called out; Jesus (antitype) went to Egypt and was called out. Jesus fulfills the pattern of Israel's story, but in a salvific, messianic way,.
"Double Fulfillment": The prophecy, written by Hosea centuries earlier, had a meaning for Israel and, unbeknownst to Hosea, a deeper, "fuller" meaning for the Messiah, Jesus.
Matthew's Goal: To present Jesus as the promised Messiah, connecting His life directly to Israel's history and the Old Testament scriptures.
In essence, Matthew sees Jesus's flight to Egypt as a "fulfillment" because it mirrors and perfects the original "calling of my son out of Egypt" for Israel. "

>>18217453
Look its one of those satire threads where someone who wants to debunk a lie poorly pretends the lie is true just so everyone will pile on with unassailable evidence that it is definitely a lie.

>>18217761
>either he deeply valued jesus's insights or he thought they were a mockery, it can't be both.

It can be, there are some things I thought were silly and later thought they were not, people can have a change of mind.

>>18217759
Fuck you Christcuck, I hope you die.

The claim that almah (“young woman”) in Isaiah 7:14 implies virginity is incorrect. In Biblical Hebrew, almah simply refers to a young woman of marriageable age and does not guarantee virginity—unlike the word bethulah, which specifically means virgin. The Greek translation parthenos used in the Septuagint reflects the translators’ interpretation, not the original Hebrew meaning. Therefore, the argument that the original Hebrew implies virginity is mistaken: Matthew’s claim of a virgin birth relies on a Greek reading rather than the actual Hebrew text.

>>18217767
Furthermore

The Septuagint (LXX) is a Greek translation of the Hebrew Scriptures made centuries before Christ by unknown translators whose identities and exact methods are largely uncertain. Because it is a translation and sometimes a loose or interpretive one, it contains errors, omissions, and readings that diverge from the original Hebrew. Scholars consider the Hebrew Masoretic Text the authoritative source, and in Isaiah 7:14, the LXX’s use of *parthenos* (“virgin”) reflects the translators’ interpretation rather than the literal meaning of the Hebrew *almah*. Thus, the Septuagint is less reliable than the Hebrew for determining the original text’s intent.

>>18217767
Ok so, the prophecy is "born of a woman", is there a single person who hasn't been born of a woman? No? Then clearly the prophecy implies more. The virgin birth was a necessary sign.

>>18217767
Well, one of us had a mental breakdown, but it wasnt me... I guess it's gg.

>>18217766
>later thought
It was the same one scene told in different gospels, it didn't happen "later", it was recorded differently by different authors which resulted in contradictions between the accounts.

>people can have a change of mind.
So then you should be able to cite where said change of mind occurred in canon since its perfect and should be able to perfectly explain everything without you constantly invoking external documents.

>>18217778
Just because one writes didn't mean a detail about an even that a different writer mentioned, that doesn't mean the accounts are conflicting.

>>18217775
I'm not here to debate you, I post the contradiction, you give your schizo cope replies and lurkers make up their own minds. I hate Christians, I laughed and celebrated when Charlie Kirk died and I'm glad Putin sent 600,000 Christcucks to their deaths in war. If the Bible was true I'd side with Satan because Yahweh, Jesus and his followers are the true evil and Satan is the good guy in the story.

>>18217779
writers*
My t and r keys are being difficult

>>18217780
You believe a lie then. The things you blame God for are actually caused by satan

>>18217782
Fuck you and Hail Satan if he is real.

>>18217779
They are conflicting because the accounts contradict each other, you clearly don't even understand how the bible works since you apparently thought the gospels were in sequence where some occurred later than the others instead of all being different accounts of the "exact same" events.

>Just because one writes didn't mean a detail about an even that a different writer mentioned
The contradictions come in the fact that the authors' various detail are often in direct conflict with each other in ways that can only be explained about by your personal hallucinations and other people's external documents that change the context in ways the canon did not provide for.

>>18217782
>ou blame God for are actually caused by satan
So satan is more powerful than god, the events of the bible were actually created by satan instead of god, so satan is ultimately to blame which is why you actually worship satan, so you have no problem twisting the words in the bible so you can prove your own perfect interpretation?

This board is so infested with third world Christroaches that it is unbearable. This must be what Hell is like.

>>18217789
Don't be fooled, God is to blame for everything. God can see the future. He saw the future of all possible realities and chose to create the one where Adam and Eve ate the fruit, instead of the one where they don't, just so he could punish and torture everyone for fun. God is the true evil.

>>18217789
No, but satan tricked eve which caused the fall, and as a result we suffer because of his lies by being born into his kingdom of darkness. The reason why you have a shitty life? It's because of satan. If you want to be saved from being judged and thrown to hell together with him, accept Jesus Christ as your Saviour >>18217595

>>18217794
Life is a moment of time in which to prepare for the long, long, eternity. In this brief, fleeting, second of time we are asked to answer one question. The question: “Where do you wish to spend eternity?” There are two great eternities. We must choose one or the other. No neutral ground.
1. The blessed privilege of living forever with the Lord Jesus in heaven.
2. The terrible anguish of living forever with Satan in a burning hell.
The purpose of life is to let you personally choose the abiding place of your soul.

God is not to be blamed for whatever choice you make.

>>18217795
>satan tricked eve
Which means that satan's tricks were more powerful than god's truths, so reality is now more dependent on satan's creations than god's.

>as a result we suffer
Which means satan's desire for suffering trump's god's original desire for peace which is why even jesus said he came to bring swords instead of peace.

> If you want to be saved from being judged and thrown to hell together with him, accept Jesus Christ as your Saviour >>18217595
But christ specifically said to accept a shitty life and to give all your good things away to other people instead of keeping good things for yourself and his own life is marked by his own extreme suffering to the point of resorting to suicide by cop.

>>18217798
God is responsible for everything that happens because he creates the conditions that influence the people. Satan will win the war against God and his followers and take his throne as rightful king and you will kneel.

This thread is the bad autism.

>>18217798
You have 2 choices:

1. Join Satan and his army of angels and defeat the evil god Yahweh and his wicked son Jesus and bring peace to the universe.

2. Side with God and lose the war and be cast into outer darkness where you will remain Yahweh's slave for eternity.

>>18217810
3. Realize the bible is just the 1st century marvel universe, grow up and move on with your life by joining contemporary reality instead of indulging in past fantasy epics and other childish stories by taking them too seriously.

>>18217815
You have 2 wolves inside of you

>>18217822
You have 2 homosexual demons inside of you.

>>18217827
Demons aren't gay, they breed human women like in the Old Testament and Nephilim

>>18217836
They also appear out of gay mans assholes according to the avesta

>>18217836
>Demons aren't gay
The kind of demons who would double up on a guy like you clearly are.

>>18217602
>The King James Bible
Wrong one. Enjoy hell.

>>18217918
Wrong, it's the New King James that's the correct one. Enjoy Hell.

>>18217468
>109 replies to this thread
Is /his/ the new /pol/

you guys got to pick?

>>18217453
denominations (separation) are not Christianity (unity)

>>18217453
It's not that hard. As the Bible says, ask and it will be given to you. If you cared about the truth, you would have become a Baptist instead of a TRVD LVRP fag. Enjoy the Hell you so richly deserve.

>>18218917
You're retarded.
>>18217918
>>18217936
>>18217767
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>>18217666
Those flames just got hotter.
>>18217673
Yep.
>>18217677
You don't speak Greek. Enjoy Hell.

>>18217453
kek

>>18217453
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH OH NO!!

>>18217971
Enjoy hell.

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>>18217453
AAAHHHHH I CHOSSE THE WRONG ABRAHAMIC RELGION!

>Allah has promised the hypocrites, both men and women, and the disbelievers an everlasting stay in the Fire of Hell—it is sufficient for them. Allah has condemned them, and they will suffer a never-ending punishment.


Quran Surah At-Tawbah - 68

>>18217666
>666

How should one pick their denomination when they're non-Christian? For those who were Christian, it seems it'd be easy to just pick the denomination you were raised in as a default

>>18217971
those flames just got hotter

>>18221539
I love a good Holy BBQ its the goat


>If your offering is a goat, you are to present it before the Lord, lay your hand on its head and slaughter it in front of the tent of meeting. Then Aaron’s sons shall splash its blood against the sides of the altar. From what you offer you are to present this food offering to the Lord: the internal organs and all the fat that is connected to them, both kidneys with the fat on them near the loins, and the long lobe of the liver, which you will remove with the kidneys. The priest shall burn them on the altar as a food offering, a pleasing aroma. All the fat is the Lord’s.

Leviticus
3:12

Ahh, I chose the right one and now I spend eternity banging my 800 wives on my personal planet

>>18217453
I am homosexual

>>18220668
>Allah has condemned them, and they will suffer a never-ending punishment.
Yes, in Muslim theology Allah has already saved and damned everyone - it is all pre-destined, it's Arabian Calvinism. or is Calvinism French-Islam?
Truly, truly

>>18221532
For me, I was invited to a southern baptist church, and I felt like they were just teaching the Bible with nothing else added. So I just kept going there, because I believe that I don't need any teaching other than the Bible.
I've spend a lot of time worshiping with Presbyterians and Methodists as well, but I would still consider myself a baptist. Over years of exposure and some deliberate study I learned more about other denominations, but I never found a compelling reason to change my denomination, and I had no childhood bias since I was not raised by Christians.

https://youtu.be/y2PQ4HZ4g6k?si=oimzk1FMtL_mH-Kh

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>>18217602
kjv autists need to find some sort of a reversal to lobotomies or something, do they think that a translation of a translation and in some cases of a translation of a series of texts dating some 1500 years after Jesus is the literal word of god.

not the Greek manuscripts, not the Latin translation, but a language that didn't exist when Christ died, the kjv bible is the word of good. You have got to be retarded or at least some sort of missing link.

>>18217602
>truthischrist.com/seven/
fucking schizo autism, dude, people back in the day they did Gematria, it's a huge part of ancient Jewish religion. They also had these nerds fitting stories together, you're basically pointing back in time, looking at the connections laid out, and you're like duuuuuuude we found the hidden connection.

>in some of the Latin translations, the antichrist is given the number of 616, the Gematria number for Caesar Nero in Latin, not Greek, which gives us 666

>>18222378
So your argument is basically that english to too difficult of a language for God and that theres no way that God could have ever known that english will be the dominant language in the world, therefore it's impossible for the KJV to be the pure word of God despite all the evidence simply because it's not in the "original" language? By the way, God understands every language.

If you read the Bible you find out God knows the future, and He is not limited to the same things that we are, like time, limited vision, limited understanding etc. Also there are many cases of God using people for His purposes, and He also used humans as writers for His book.

"To you, where is the perfect, preserved word of God today? (The ‘originals’ don’t exist, therefore you’ve never seen them!)"

"If you are a Bible ‘corrector/rejector’ and you don’t believe the Authorized Version Bible is perfect,
perhaps you would answer the following questions…
1) Do you believe in the special providential preservation of the Holy Scriptures?
2) If not, how can you believe in infallible inspiration?
3) Would God give verbal inspiration if He did not intend to preserve them?
4) If you do believe in preservation — how? In popish monasteries or through usage of
believers?
5) If preserved by believers, did preservation end with the invention of printing?
6) Did God preserve Scriptures at some times and not others?
7) If preservation did not cease with printing, was the Textus Receptus providentially
guided?
8) If not, which New Testament text was providentially provided?"

https://download.timefortruth.co.uk/docs/Christian_Soldiers_Battle_Notes.pdf

The KJV does not have errors or contradictions unlike the other Bibles that are available today, therefore it's not too crazy to believe that God intended this to be what he wants us to read. You also basically ignored the contents of the link you are making fun of because it's not some sort of arbitrary "connection", but clear evidence.

>>18222462
Not the anon you were responding to.
KJV english is incomprehensible to anyone below the top seventy five percentile (being generous) of ESLs. Even current EFLs can struggle with it some times.
Jacobean english and the debased tabloid gabble we speak today are very far from eachother, much less the crude Universal Trade/Entertainment Pidgin most ESLs speak.

It's a good translation, it's a beautiful (artistically) book. Very important in the history of the language. But to assert it somehow holds a special divine status is borderline islamic in nature. What comes next, an argument for the uncreatedness of the KJV?

>>18222479
You're talking to someone is mentally ill

>>18222479
"NIV (New International Version) – Omissions (they’re not there!) – Col 1v14 (Cf. with the KJV -
what’s missing in this verse?), Mat 17v21, 18v11, 23v14, 7v16, Mark 9v44+46, 11v26, 15v28, Luke
17v36, 23v17, John 5v4, Acts 8v37, 15v34, 28v29, Rom 16v24. Errors – Luke 2v33, Micah 5v2, 1
John 4v3, Luke 9v56, 11v2-4, Isa 9v3 (Num 11v25), Gal 2v20, Mark 1v1+2 (Mal 3v1), Dan 3v25, Eph
3v14, James 1v10, Mark 10v24, Acts 17v29. Who killed Goliath? – 2 Sam 21v19, 1 Sam 17v51, 1
Chron 20v5. Who is the ‘morning star?’ – 2 Pet 1v19 cf. Isa 14v12. The NIV has 64,098 less words
than the KJV."

"If you haven’t been lazy, and you’ve looked up every verse listed here, you should be in total
shock and ready to throw the NIV away. Now compare the KJV with the NIV and see the total
opposites… Ps 10v4+5, Ecc 8v10, Col 2v18, Isa 9v1+3, Prov 26v22, Hos 11v12, Prov 25v23, Ps 55v18.
Note also, did Jesus sin? – Mat 5v22. Should you confess your sins to another sinner? – James
5v16. Now have a look how the NIV has perverted 1 Cor 6v9. One last bow shot… is it hard to
enter the Kingdom of God? – Mark 10v24. The NIV is based upon corrupt and perverted Greek
texts. The NIV is a Satanic counterfeit ‘bible’. If you haven’t got a KJV / AV Bible then you don’t
have the perfectly preserved words of God, you’ve been duped. Every other version falls into the
same category as the NIV, in other words, they are counterfeit ‘bibles’."

https://download.timefortruth.co.uk/docs/Christian_Soldiers_Battle_Notes.pdf

You can either have a Bible that doesn't have contradictions and errors, or a "Bible" that does. Maybe it's not as comfortable to read but that doesn't change the fact the it's pure, without errors, without contradictions. No matter how much you hate it doesn't change that fact.

>>18222493
So are you going to adress what I actually said or what.
I was not even thinking about NIV. Or any bible in particular. There is no point in one universal mandatory bible.

>>18222499
You're talking to a crazy, I tried to tell you

>>18222499
God promised to preserve His word, therefore it is preserved. If you don't accept that He wanted to preserve The Bible in english, the most used language in the world.

What part do you want me to address? That it's incomprehensible? That's just not true, even for me, someone who doesn't speak english as their primary language.

>>18222503
Yeah, as you can see, I can barely even type english, but I can still understand the KJV just fine, only occasionally needing to look up some words.

>>18222499
It's also kind of funny how you say i'm not addressing what you say, but you also completely ignore all of the evidence to show what makes the KJV so special. And say assert that it's delusion or something.

Look at how much of a meltdown these KJV haters are having in this thread, this person for example:>>18222488 >>18222502

>>18217506
Few discover it, but you dont need to be the inventor to use the invention.

There was a group of men in a war, and they came up to a mine field. Our Anon (οὐρανῶν) said to them, "who here wants to be king? Feel free to lead the way". There was a man among them who thought of himself as a God, so he stepped forward, and exploded.
"JESUS CHRIST!" Exlaimed the soldiers, as blood and flesh splattered onto their faces.
Our Anon said, "Your way has been made straight by the king" and the soldiers followed the LORD, single file, through the field of mines.

For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few

I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes so that it will be even more fruitful.

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>>18217493
>it does NOT follow that an individual, who has unlimited access to information, can nevertheless be saved by virtue of their obedience to a false sect.
If there is a clause for someone who never heard of Christianity, how come there isn't a clause for someone who was overwhelmed with 100 different versions of it? Imagine if God came to you in a vision and said that one of the pagan pantheons was real, it was just His angels mistaken for gods, but it was your sole responsibility to find out which pantheon it was. You wouldn't be able to find that needle in the haystack in your entire lifetime, there's too much information to sort through.

>>18217604
>the bible says so.
What is the definition of the word dictionary?

>>18222513
I was specifically adressing your point about God inspiring the KJV because english was going to bte hegemonic language in the 20th-21st centuries.

>>18222526
Do you want evidence that the Bible is given by God? Here: >>18217596
>>18217595

You don't have to go to someone else to tell you what the Bible says to find out which "version" of Christianity is the right one, you can just read for yourself. If you go to someone else, how do you know they are not lying to you?

>>18222534
The KJV english is basically the best and most beautiful version of the english language that we have. Looking at the facts, the KJV is perfect, without errors, without contradictions unlike the other versions of the Bible we have, so I'd rather read the KJV because now I know it's the perfect word of God.

>>18222537
If it were so obvious there wouldn't be so many denominations.

>>18222567
Well if it was obvious the earth isn't flat then no one would say it's flat, right? Oh wait..

The reason why there's denominations is because the message of the Bible has many bitter parts, such as:

1. You're a sinner
2. Your righteousness is not good enough for heaven so you can't earn it no matter what you do
3. Salvation is a free gift so that means you can't control anyone to give you money by threatening them with hell

And so on...

You can either read what God gave to read yourself or you can listen to someone who takes it out of context to give it their own meaning.

So do you believe God, or do you arbitrarily choose a corruptible human to put your trust in instead?

Eph. 2:8-9: “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.”

>>18222580
Good works do not guarantee Heaven, but bad works definitely guarantee Hell. Even Paul was begging Christian communities to correct their sinful behaviors.

>>18222587
Romans 8:38-39 "For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."

So something that you do in the present or in the future damns you and makes you the enemy of God after you are saved? The Bible clearly disagrees with your opinion

>>18222587
Salvation is eternal.

https://delessons.org/tools/100-bible-lessons/100-Bible-Lessons-Lesson-9.pdf

and

https://download.timefortruth.co.uk/docs/Christian_Soldiers_Battle_Notes.pdf
Page 65

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Galatians 5:13: “For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.”

1 Corinthians 15:34
“Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.”

After being saved, we're supposed to have the knowledge that we're not saved to sin and be shameful, but to serve and do our best to live for Jesus instead. The Bible says that we can grieve The Holy Spirit: Ephesians 4:30 "And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption." Once you're saved you have a new nature in you that wants to please God, so despite still having the old nature (the flesh) that doesn't care, you should do you best to keep from sin and live honestly, in order to please Jesus who saved you from hell. You're asked to present your body as a living sacrifice to God, it's your reasonable service that God expects from you. It's the least you could do despite never being able to pay back your debt to God.

2 Timothy 2:11-13 "It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself."

Jesus Christ can indeed deny you reign and other rewards if you deny Him, but will he abandon us or be faithful, will Jesus Christ deny His own righteousness? His own finished work on the cross? A thousand times no. "If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself."

Romans 3:27-28 "Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law."

>>18222590
Revelation 20:12 "And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books."

We will be judged by our works, rest assured. They do not entitle you to Heaven but they can entitle you to Hell.

>>18217453
Shouldn't have worshipped the pope. Simple as really

>>18222587
1 Corinthians 11:32
“But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.”

A Christians condemnation is not the same as the condemnation of the world. If you want to avoid being condemned as a Christian, then don't walk after the flesh, stop sinning: Romans 8:1 “There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.”

Hebrews 12:5-8 "And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him: For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons."

>>18222603
"the dead were judged according to their works"

Believers in Christ are spiritually quickened by God at the moment of salvation: “And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins” (Ephesians 2:1, KJV). And believers look forward to being physically quickened after death at the resurrection: “If the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you” (Romans 8:11, KJV).

Jesus Christ didn't give me death, He gave me eternal life.

>>18222603
Eternal life is offered without works, as a free gift, as an act of pure grace through the redeeming work of our Savior. But it is also true that Jesus purchased the whole of our life, for all of our life (1 Corinthians 6:19-20), so glorify God in your body and in your spirit which is God’s. If you instead live fleshly, expect terrifying chastening and loss of rewards.

1 Corinthians 5:1-5 "It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife. And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you. For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed, In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus."

Once you are in Christ, you are not judged according to your works, Jesus paid for my works at the cross to save me. This is the judgement for those in Christ:

2 Corinthians 5:10 "For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad."

1 Corinthians 3:13-15 "Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire."

>>18222607
Matthew 25:41-46
>“Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’
>“Then they also will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
I will trust in the words of my Lord, my King, Jesus Christ. I will do the works he commands of me.

A spiritual circumcision happens at the moment of salvation:

Colossians 2:11-14
"In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;"

Romans 7:17-25
"Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin."

Romans 10:4-5 “For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth. For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.”


>>18222614
Can you read Page 165 "Matthew 24"
https://download.timefortruth.co.uk/docs/Christian_Soldiers_Battle_Notes.pdf

I will also do my best to do everything my Lord and Saviour commands, but I still have this flesh for now.

>>18222617
Matthew Chapter 10:5-6 "These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."


To continue, during the earthly ministry of Jesus, not everything is for Christians, we are supposed to read what Jesus is saying of course, but doctrinally it is pre-crucifixion, in other words under the law (Old testament). So we are not supposed to sell everything we own and give it away to follow Jesus right now. I can't do everything Jesus says because it's not all for me, i'm not supposed to mutilate my body parts that cause me to sin or get circumcised, or sell off everything I own and give it to the poor. I'm supposed to follow the doctrine that Jesus gave to Paul, because that's for me in this time period.

>>18222617
Christians are parasites

>>18217683
According to Deuteronomy 15:5, when a man’s brother dies without a son, she shall enter his wife and bare him a son, the son will legally be the passed man’s son but biologically the brother’s son.
>>18217652
>Ephesians 2:8-9
Read verse 10 and Ephesians 5:3-5, then link it to 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 and Galatians 5:21.
>Romans 11:6
As exactly taught by the sixth session of the council of Trent.
>Galatians 2:21
Ceremonial law ≠ Natural law
>Romans 8:3
Agreed.
>Romans 4:4-5
Condemns the works done with the intention of putting God in debt like when an employee works his boss owes him money. See Romans 2:6-9 to see the distinction between works of the law and good works.
>Romans 10:9
Salvation beings with faith, does not mean works are absent in the rest of the process.
>Titus 3:4-7
Verse 5 directly refutes imputed righteousness.
Besides, what do you make of James 2:24?

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>>18222783
>Besides, what do you make of James 2:24?

"The OT saint under the law must perform the works (Deut 28v14) as an evidence of his faith (James 2v21). These works do not justify him (Gal 3v11) unless faith accompanies them (Heb 11v39+40). He lives by doing (Ezek 18), and when he quits doing (Ps 51v11), he has had it! (Judg 16v20). God can take the Spirit from him permanently (Saul), or temporarily (Samson), or not at all (David), but even under the law exceptions are made (2 Sam 12v13).

Grace is everywhere manifest in the life of Samson who never repents, confesses, or restores anything one time in a lifetime of continued transgression. But eternal security is unknown in the OT apart from the Psalms of David (Ps 91v14- 16), who was given sure mercies (Acts 13v34) that other men were not given (2 Sam 7v14). Even in the OT ‘the just’ lives by faith, but it is his faith (Hab 2v4), whereas the NT believer is living by the faith of the Son of God (Gal 2v20).

The differences are in the dispensations. You need to understand that. Another example would be regarding forgiveness… Read Mat 6v14+15 – here you are only forgiven if you forgive others, yet the Christian has already been forgiven of all his sins – Eph 4v32, Col 2v13. Our salvation does not depend upon any form of works. The key to understanding the Scriptures is to rightly divide them – 2 Tim 2v15."

https://download.timefortruth.co.uk/docs/Christian_Soldiers_Battle_Notes.pdf

>>18222783
1 Corinthians 6:10-15
"Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any. Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body. And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power. Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid."

See? Once you are in Christ, you are not a sinner spiritually, because it's not your righteousness, it's the righteousness of Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 11:32
“But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.”

A Christians condemnation is not the same as the condemnation of the world. If you want to avoid being condemned as a Christian, then don't walk after the flesh, stop sinning: Romans 8:1 “There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.”

Hebrews 12:5-8 "And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him: For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons."

>>18222783
>Verse 5 directly refutes imputed righteousness.

Titus 3:5
“Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;”

No? It clearly shows that we are not saved according to our righteousness, but that salvation is an unmerited act of grace on the part of God, not something we deserve. It's mercy.

>>18222783

>Condemns the works done with the intention of putting God in debt like when an employee works his boss owes him money.

Romans 4:4-5: "Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness."

>>18222783
>Salvation beings with faith, does not mean works are absent in the rest of the process.

You're adding things that are not there. Salvation is by grace trough faith + nothing. You are not your own saviour. No matter how many good works you do its not good enough.

Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."

Romans 11:6 "And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work."

>>18222790
>works don’t justify unless faith accompanies them
Absolutely, this doesn’t contradict our doctrine.
>already forgiven
It is necessary that the fruit of Christ’s suffering be applied to each of us which it is through the sacraments. If our sins were already forgiven than we don’t even need to convert.
>salvation does not depend on any form of works
From the same epistle you are quoting, see Ephesians 5:3-5, don’t these actions lead to hell?
>>18222799
If you become of Christ and repeat these actions, what happens according to Ephesians 5:3-5?
>>18222807
You are saved by regeneration, or an infusion of righteousness.
>>18222837
Your interpretation pits St. Paul against himself in Romans 2:6-9.

>>18222842
>you are not your own savior
I can apply this logic to faith alone, you believe you save yourself by your own faith, your faith can never be good enough.
>Ephesians 2:8-9
Do you actively refuse to quote verse 10?
>Romans 11:6
Didn’t I tell you this doesn’t contradict our dogma?

>>18222855
>I can apply this logic to faith alone, you believe you save yourself by your own faith, your faith can never be good enough.

Faith is the work of God.
a. God the Father, Rom. 12:3, …according as God hath dealt to every man the
measure of faith; Every man, therefore, has the inward potential of faith.
I Cor. 12:9, To another faith by the same Spirit … Some have more faith than others for
faith is one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit.
b. God the Son. Heb. 12:2, Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith…
Lk. 17:5, And the apostles said unto the Lord, Increase our faith. We all have faith but
as we exercise it and pray our faith grows and increases.
c. God the Spirit. Gal. 5:22, But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy,…faith…

>If our sins were already forgiven than we don’t even need to convert.
What? You are forgiven when you are saved, not already when you are born.

Ephesians 1:13
"In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,"

>If you become of Christ and repeat these actions, what happens according to Ephesians 5:3-5?
It says it right there. You don't get inheritance. Salvation is not an inheritance, it's a gift.

Jesus Christ can deny us reign: 2 Timothy 2:11-13 "It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him: If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself."

>Your interpretation pits St. Paul against himself in Romans 2:6-9.
You cut off the context of the verse right before that:
"day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;"

How about you read Romans 5?

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>>18222855
>Do you actively refuse to quote verse 10?
It does not contradict with anything.

We are made and saved for good works. That doesnt mean we are saved by good works.

I denounce the demiurge!

>>18222587
>>18222853

Enjoy burning

>>18223011
Turn your monitor on

It's really impressive how much confusion and disagreement Paul's letters have resulted in.
>So also our beloved brother Paul wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, speaking of this as he does in all his letters. There are some things in them hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures. You therefore, beloved, since you are forewarned, beware that you are not carried away with the error of the lawless and lose your own stability.

>>18223030
It's not even like Paul was putting on a front of trying to be shady, even he said to test everything and not be an unthinking drone. Mainly, the problem lies in people being too lazy to actually study the Bible, and because he didn't spell it out in crayon what he actually meant.

>>18223030
People who aren't saved can't understand the Bible. It's not that surprising.

>When the scribes of the Pharisees saw that he was eating with sinners and tax collectors, they said to his disciples, “Why does he eat with tax collectors and sinners?” When Jesus heard this, he said to them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician but those who are sick; I have not come to call the righteous but sinners.”
A physician doesn't only formaly declare someone healed while they go on being sick, but actually heals them so they are no longer sick. Likewise I would think for sinners, at least in theory.

>>18223090
>reasoning by metaphor
This is such a dumb argument that I'm almost convinced you're a Catholic false flagger. Try 1 Corinthians 3:13-15
>Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
>If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
>If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

>>18223094
God, just trash the KJV verses already, they're such an eye sore.

it is wild how often inter-religious conflicts seem to pop up. Christians did it for centuries and Ireland is a more modernish example. Religion was not the whole issue but Catholics and Protestants still ended up bombing and shooting and the bad blood is still around.

Sunni vs Shia is another one. I am no expert but it feels like their disagreements keep turning into real wars with groups that range from super religious to barely religious still fighting each other.

Don't know this for sure though but Jews do not seem to have much internal violence outside of protests and the ultra orthodox vs Israeli government stuff. Some ultra orthodox look down on less observant Jews and the reform side is basically like “ok whatever.”

Not really sure about others. I know India has Hindu groups that have gone after Muslims before but that has a lot of political history behind it too. Also curious about like Buddhists sects and eastern religious inter conflict

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>>18223109
You're fucked. Tick tock. :)

>>18223094
Oh, I forgot. The point of metaphors is that you're supposed to ignore them. They're just written as decorations, not aids to understanding.
>1 Corinthians 3
I don't think making low quality contributions to the church is inconsistent with not being a persistent sinner.

>>18217475
>I think
nonsense create-a-religion protestant drivel

>>18223118
You're a stupid person.

>>18223130
"But I say to you that if you are angry with a brother or sister, you will be liable to judgment, and if you insult a brother or sister, you will be liable to the council, and if you say, ‘You fool,’ you will be liable to the hell of fire." (Matthew 5:22)

>>18223134
What are you quoting? It's not the Bible.

>Read our Bible, the King James Version™. It's Shakespearan!
The only Shakespearean thing about is burning in hell alongside that heretic Shakespeare himself for reading it.

>>18217492
no Paul said let there be no divisions among you not Jesus

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>>18223155
There it is. Those flames just got hotter.

>>18217604
it doesnt

>>18223172
>And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy ?>We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
> Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
>For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Ready to admit you're wrong?

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>>18223162

Yes its becoming an inferno kafir

> "…Indeed, We have prepared for the wrongdoers a fire whose walls will surround them. And if they call for relief, they will be relieved with water like murky oil, which scalds [their] faces. Wretched is the drink, and evil is the resting place."

[Quran 18: 29]

>>18223684
Tick tock.
>>18223175
>4 hours later
>No response.
I win! :D

>>18222462
>So your argument is basically that english to too difficult of a language for God and that theres no way that God could have ever known that english will be the dominant language in the world, therefore it's impossible for the KJV to be the pure word of God despite all the evidence simply because it's not in the "original" language? By the way, God understands every language.
>If you read the Bible you find out God knows the future, and He is not limited to the same things that we are, like time, limited vision, limited understanding etc. Also there are many cases of God using people for His purposes, and He also used humans as writers for His book.

No retard, im saying that god wouldn't have made his finished bible unavailable for most of Christian history. You really think that all the Greek, Latin and Hebrew speakers of the 1000 years of Christianity didn't have gods true bible, all the church fathers, theologians and monks had Christianity wrong?

>The KJV does not have errors or contradictions unlike the other Bibles that are available today, therefore it's not too crazy to believe that God intended this to be what he wants us to read. You also basically ignored the contents of the link you are making fun of because it's not some sort of arbitrary "connection", but clear evidence.

dude the kjv has texts from the Latin manuscript tradition that were added in well after the fact. then these retarded evangelicals complain that the church has got too liberal because they are removing random stuff that was added for expediancy well after the fact.

It's not the living word of god. That doesn't mean it should be thrown out, but this fucking autism about it being the only true bible(do you seriously believe that every non english speaker and pre english speaker did not have access to holy scripture). Some people say you can't enter the kingdom if you don't read the kjv

Answer my questions and ill answer yours.

The KJV is like the Old Testament but for English speakers. It's okay, but it's very much a partial revelation. If you really want to be up to date on the latest and most complete word of God, you should preorder the 6th edition of the New Oxford Annotated Bible with Apocrypha.

>>18223833
https://youtu.be/dYhwgzhCr6g?si=9uVGU1BygvDaV5Z8

Well your questions are basically answered in these 10 minutes.

For me the answer is that the KJV is clearly miraculous: >>18217596 and that there is no reason for me to go to another translation because they are all clearly inferior and God clearly intended the KJV to be the book we should read instead of the modern "bibles" that are contradicting with themselves about even silly stuff like who killed goliath etc. on top of having freemason doctrine like calling satan by the same title as Jesus.

>>18224199
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAlnDSKHRrg

And this too answers the other question.

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>>18217453
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>18217453
>>18217506
hell means eternal abyss, death, not a cartoony ass fire room; are you Greek or something and believe in pagan tartarus?

>>18223162
>>18223684
>>18224242
Again, hell equals eternal death.
How can there be a literal flame when it is clearly stated that hell and death are metaphysical and devoid of light (God's presence)? Is there a special type of flame that does not emit fire, known as suffering?
Also, since you are dead, you do not have a physical body in the realm of the dead. You would have a body in Heaven because you are resurrected there with a new body.
A Greek mind virus has taken over this board.

>>18224199
dude, the bible isn't a book, it's a library retard. regardless of what the term bible means. It's a collection of books, gospels and epistles.

>>18224210
>if you believe that there are mistakes in the word of god, then how do you know that the bible is the word of god
You're tautologically asserting that the KJV is the perfect word of god
>the bible is the word of god.... because it just is, okay.

>>18224199
Stopped watching at 2 minutes. This Korean in the video is a midwit and uses the KJV to point out that he's correct. It's self fulfilling and inaccurate. The original koine greek word for book in hebrews 10:7 can mean book but also can mean scroll and papyrus which some translations use meaning that if it is a scroll it can't be a book and thus not the kjv. Also other translations use book so by that evidence alone those other translations are also valid as being the book in question.

anyway kjv-ists are retarded

Friendly reminder that Pr*testants are psychotic and are obsessed with seeing people burn in hell. Seriously, it's the only thing they ever think about.

>>18224242
ENJOY HELLER

>>18222870
>faith is the work of God
Because he commanded it right?
>already forgiven when you are saved
So you admit that there are conditions for the fruits of Christ’s suffering to flow to us
>Ephesians 5:3-5
Doesn’t St. Paul say partakers in these works can’t inherit the kingdom of God?
>Romans 2
What does this change? The context still talks about the judgement of God which happens according to deeds.
>>18222878
So what happens if you are saved and don’t continue in good works?

>>18224435
Inheritance IN the kingdom.

Romans 8:38-39 "For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."

I can't be more powerful than God and make His word invalid, I accept that because God is not a liar. I hope you will accept it too someday.

>>18217610
all you posted were bible quotes, where else should I expect to see your "proof"?

>>18217746
the bible never says 'later'. it's not 'later' it's a different story contradicting the first.

>>18221925
that's a bit simplifying. sunnites i.e. the standard muslim type is supposed to believe pretty much the same thing as catholics, namely, that gawd predestined everyone to heaven or hell but we still have free will and thus whatever happens is our fault. this is acknowledged to seem contradictory but that only means that the resolution of this contradiction is a gawdly secret, a mystery, not a deadly wound on the theory. then catholics start emphasizing the free will part and muslims the predestination part.

>>18223172
are you too simple to notice that the retard I replied to wastes a lot of space and oxygen to argue for the truth of the bible using nothing else than bible quotes? I have just summarized his approach.

>>18224505
fcbaptist.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Bible-proof.pdf
truthischrist.com/seven/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCsPy4CY6hI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ919YomJjM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcvFX5uIRb4
youtube.com/watch?v=yS78mFJcvhQ

>>18224508
I disagree. Just because there are details not mentioned doesn't make it a different story.

>>18217806
god does not control the conditions on earth, Satan is the prince of earth(2 Corinthians 4:4) . God tells us to to not give into the ways of the world and to not have love for it(1 John 2:15)

>>18224538
like how did judas die? he did all those things, hanged himself, then fell and burst open, but one guy only mentioned the hanging and another one only the bursting open? or how one version of the story says noah had seven pairs of clean animals on the ark and another place says two of each and the standard defense is that there was no need to mention the other six pairs? or how jesus' last words differ in all gospels and the cope is that he said all those, but different authors all neglected to quote the other last sayings, not even with a hint as to their existence, not to mention that at least N-1 of them have to be lying when they claim it is his last words they quote that sort of not mentioning details?

>>18224596
Go back earlier in the thread


>>18217717
>>18217705

>>18217497
okay, this one did make me chuckle. Here's your earned (you)

>>18224499
>Romans 8
This speaks about God’s faithful love, not the believer’s guaranteed perseverance.
God’s love is unchanging, but we can choose to reject it like the house of Jacob did many times (Romans 11:20-22). Hope is offered, not a license to sin. God’s love is eternal but communion with him requires cooperation.

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>>18224685
Romans 8:38-39 clearly says nothing "can separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.", God does not send people He "loves" to hell. That is sadistic. The enemies of God will go to hell, not the children of God. You have the facts mixed up. You don't have to "persevere" to be saved if you're saved by Jesus Christ, otherwise you are your own savior, and Jesus Christ is just some tool for you to use in order to be able to ultimately be rewarded with salvation. The Bible clearly says salvation is a gift, not something you can boast about:

Eph. 2:8-9: “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.”

Also, I never said license to sin:

"Christ Jesus has done it all, and there is nothing we can add to what He has done at Calvary by shedding His incorruptible Blood to save us - Rom 5v9, Eph 1v7, 1 John 1v6+7. Now because we are saved eternally, doesn’t mean that we have a license to sin. A Christian will try his utmost to live a life of holiness and purity, and walk in the Spirit of God (Gal 5v16) obeying the will of God.

Yet Christians do mess up, and can even go as far as losing their testimony and turning their back upon God, yet they are still saved, and will go to the Heavenly Jerusalem when they die. By still sinning (deliberately or ignorantly) God may punish us here on earth (Heb 12v5-7). A Christian can lose the following… a) his testimony – Lot (Gen 19) b) his health – 1 Cor 11v30 c) rewards – 1 Cor 3v11-15 d) his inheritance – Col 3v24+25 e) his joy – Ps 51v12 f) his assurance – 1 John 3v20-22 g) even his life – 1 Cor 10v10+11. "

https://download.timefortruth.co.uk/docs/Christian_Soldiers_Battle_Notes.pdf

Also can you read page 209 "Errors of the Post-Tribulation Rapture", since you think that you are under the old testament law that Jesus Christ already fulfilled. That is not for us, that is a different time period

>>18223684
there is no possibility of pisslam being the truth

>>18224606
>I list the copes
>he points back in the thread to where those copes actually occur
what did you mean by this?

>>18224242
Based I can't wait to get a front row seat in heaven to watch all the sinners burning down in hell.
Christ is King!

>>18224847
I didn't read what you said properly, but yeah that point youre making has already been mentioned, and it's not a very good point imo because they don't claim that "these are ALL of the details of this case", but instead they wrote down different details, but those details don't conflict with each other, therefore they are not contradicting.

>have to be lying when they claim it is his last words
I don't think each of the gospels has verse saying "these are the exact last words of Jesus:"

You can show me though what is in your opinion contradicting.


The answer to that noah ask question:

"Genesis 6:19-20 clearly defines what the “two of every sort”
is—the “male and female.” God told Noah that, “two of
every sort shall come unto thee.” Why? “To keep them
alive.” The two here are the male and the female so that they
could reproduce. In Genesis 7:2, God tells Noah to take the
clean animals “by sevens, the male and his female.” In other
words, Noah was to take the male and the female (two) of
the clean animals, seven times. Those animals that were not
clean, he was to take only “by two, the male and his
female,”—just one pair. Again, Genesis 7:9 reiterates this:
“there went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male
and the female.” Accordingly, if the animals were unclean,
only one pair was brought in. If the animals were clean,
seven pairs were brought in. There is no contradiction: only
a critic’s fumbling over words out of a predisposition to find
fault. "

https://nashpublications.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/King_James_Bible/Answers-to-70-Apparent-Discrepencies-in-the-KJB.pdf

>>18224729
>God does not send people he loves to hell
God does not move people like muppets, if someone believed in him he will not force him to remain. Your doctrine trashes free will.
>You don’t have to persevere to be saved
Jesus Christ exactly teaches that he who endures till the end will be saved.
>Ephesians 2:8-9
See verse 10, and 5:3-5.
>salvation is a gift
I never denied that. Does not mean you get to exploit God’s mercy as you believe you can.
>I never said license to sin
Like it or not this is what you implicitly affirm. I can sin as much as I like as long as I believed in Christ.
>punished on earth
Worthless in front of eternal life.
>Page 209
The fact you think I believe we are under the old covenant shows you didn’t bother to either read my replies or our doctrine.

>>18225188
>The fact you think I believe we are under the old covenant shows you didn’t bother to either read my replies or our doctrine.

I have, your doctrine is to follow the law, and if you fail you go to hell. You're taking something that Jesus is saying to the jews and trying to apply it to Christians.

>>18225205
>>18225188
What I don't understand is, why don't you go to ALL of the old testament and apply everything God is saying there to you as well, why only some of it, like the things Jesus is saying? After all he is also primarily talking to jews there as well as He did during His earthly ministry:

Matthew Chapter 10:5-6 "These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

>>18217492
>let there be no division

Bullshit

Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.

I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth.

>>18225188
>Your doctrine trashes free will.

No, you have choice. You can choose if you want to accept the gift of salvation, or choose not to accept it. We are born into the kingdom of darkness, but after that we have a choice to be born again into the kingdom of God, now tell me, can I be unborn? The Bible clearly says you can't.

Galatians 5:13: “For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.”

Tell me, what does liberty mean to you? Is it being a slave to God, and if you don't manage to do His commandments perfectly He damns you to hell? Wow, you must love God a lot if you think that... Except how could you?

1 Corinthians 5:1-5 "It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife. And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you. For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed, In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus."

According to this, the way to get saved is to live as sinfully as possible so God kills your flesh if you want to get saved in the day of the Lord Jesus? No I don't think that makes much sense. It makes more sense if you don't try to wrestle the scriptures and just admit that salvation is not some sort of reward you earn by doing well enough.

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>>18225253
>what does liberty mean to you? Is it being a slave to God
NTA but that's kinda what Romans 6 says innit

>>18225271
That says the opposite, if you are no longer a slave to sin, the binding power of sin does not affect you.

Read 1 Corinthians 6:10-15.

See how Christians are not counted as sinners with the world, despite the fact that Paul is writing this to the corinthians, who were living fleshly: >>18225253 Christians are not condemned as sinners with the world:

1 Corinthians 11:32
“But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.”

We even saw an example of God chastening the Corinthians, who were being sick and dying because they refused to obey God. So yeah, in a way you are enslaved to God, but in a good way, not in the kind of way you were enslaving to sin and doomed, but when you're enslaved to God you are free because God takes care of you and has your best interests in mind when He deals with you, unlike satan who wants you to burn in hell.

Some things are not suitable (expedient) for you, and God will certainly make you regret doing wrong, especially when you're in front of the judgement seat of Christ, but a Christian is still not brought under the binding power of sin. Once you have been redeemed by the blood of Jesus Christ, you belong to Him forever, not to yourself.

>>18225271
Ephesians 1:5
“Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,”

Gal. 4:5 - "To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons."
Gal. 4:7 - "Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ."

John 1:12. “But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become
the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name.”

So if you have a child and they have to do what you say because you're the parent, are they enslaved to you? Well you are enslaved to God in that way yes. Are you going to stop loving your child when they disobey you? Maybe you will, but God will not:

Romans 8:38-39 "For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."

>>18225271
>>18225293
>>18225309
Also, now read the previous chapter, romans 5. How you can think that justification comes by ignoring the blood atonement of Jesus Christ and instead working for it by your own works of righteousness is beyond me.

Forgiveness is a gift, not something you can pay for in such a way that forgiveness is outright owed to you, but, having been forgiven, if you don't make an effort to stop doing the thing that required forgiveness, then you demonstrate that you didn't really care to be in a good relationship with the other person to begin with.

>>18225399
So in other words what youre saying is that since God saved your soul, if you do something bad (going against the law) that would have previously damned your soul to hell, if you weren't already saved. God will go "okay, I don't like this guy anymore, I'm going to damn him to hell because he doesnt have enough nice deed points".

I can see how that would make sense if God was a liar and didn't care about His promises, but since I'm not depending in my faith (Hab 2:4), but instead im depending on the the faith of the Son of God (Gal 2:20), I don't have anything to worry about.

>>18225412
I do suspect that the Jesus-as-immunity dog version of Christianity mostly comes from people being profoundly terrified by the eternal torment doctrine, but it's a terror which is oddly specific to the individual rather than on behalf of humanity as a whole. "Sure, God might torment those other people eternally for doing the same things I do, but I'm fine because I happen to know and in some sense have accepted the magic words (probably just because I was born in a circumstance that favorably disposed me to Christianity)." It isn't truly a do-nothing salvation but rather a do-the-bare-minimum salvation, and screw those other guys who weren't lucky.

>>18225428
That's a really long-winded way of just saying "Im doing works and faith in God to be just like the OT saints in order to be just, except I'm not snipping off my foreskin because I don't like that particular OT law"

I don't believe that because I believe what the Bible says:

Eph. 2:8-9: “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.”

Not everything in the Bible applies to Christians doctrinally, you can accept that fact or not, but the Bible says to divide the scriptures:

2 timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

>>18225428
>>18225440
I tried to show you from the Bible that we are not under the old-testament, that our works are not needed for salvation, but I guess you really want to be judged according to your works, and refuse to trust in the blood atonement of Jesus Christ, so i've done what I can, it comes down to your own decision.

>>18225450
I think it's a little bizarre that there are Christians devoting a great deal of their time to preaching the evils of making an effort to be a good person and teaching others the importance of doing so as well. Meanwhile you've got other Christians saying that without Christianity and the threat of hell, society will fall to ruins because no one will want to make an effort to be a good person.

>>18225440
>>18225450
Quoting scripture in this way is misleading, just read James, it completely debooonks this idea of "Just believe in the name of Jesus, come pray the sinner's prayer and you'll have salvation and a sliece of pizza"

>>18225428
No, that's your misunderstanding. By grace you are saved and then naturally come the works, not the compulsion to sit on your ass in comfort and think "It's good enough". What you see is just words like "grace" "saved" and don't know what they actually mean. Somebody embodied in the Holy Spirit becomes a new creation, and that comes with a new heart to do all you can for good works. There's no struggle with it, it just comes and then is. If you have to force yourself for works, then that means you weren't truly saved in the first place, and are just proclaiming faith with empty lips.

>>18225477
Galatians 5:22-23
“But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.”

When you got saved, did you suddenly get a great desire to serve God and start despising sin? The Bible shows you what the fruit of the Spirit is, when you are born again the things you don't feel the same way about sinful things, it makes you feel bad because you while you still have the fleshly nature, you also have a new nature in you, the spiritual nature that due to being born again, wants to do these things listed in Galatians 5:22-23.

If a Christian gets "saved" and just continues living like they did before and don't feel any different about sin, did the new birth ever even take place?

>>18225496
James 1:1
“James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.”

>>18225450
If you love me, keep my commandments.
Signed: Jesus Christ

>>18225505
>If a Christian gets "saved" and just continues living like they did before and don't feel any different about sin, did the new birth ever even take place?
That's why no one is saved. You're only judged after you die.

>>18225516
When I got saved, I noticed that change happening in me. I couldn't even open a video game that had violence in it the next day because it made me fee like a horrified baby. What that verse is showing is how you can tell fruits of the Spirit are, not that you cannot know you are saved, it's the opposite. It's confirmation.

>>18225510
Yep, and I keep His commandments the best I can because I love Him, but I guess if I mess up (which I have) then I'm doomed to hell according to you, so I guess i might as well give up and kill myself because theres no salvation for me anymore... Sigh

>>18225516
>>18225524
1 John 5:13
“These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.”

We may know that we have eternal life.

Ephesians 2:6
“And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:”

Spiritually speaking we are in Heaven already.

>>18225516
So, were you born again? Have you ever accepted the gift of salvation? Or have you always tried to work for it? Always TRIED to be good enough for heaven.

>>18217462
Snake talkers, magatards, roman pedolovers, syncretic third worlders or ex soviet collaborators/slaves take your pick anon

>>18225499
Very well said. When the new birth takes place it's noticeable. Though you have to option of ignoring the new nature, and keep doing bad things that make you feel disgusted, which will grieve the Holy Spirit and sear your conscience so it doesn't feel as bad the next time when you do something wrong, like for example in 1 Corinthians 5:1-5 there was a Christian who was fornicating and wanted to live in the flesh according to the old nature instead of the new nature, so God saw it fit for his flesh to be destroyed by satan and sin, but Paul says he is still saved because salvation is not based on how well we present our flesh as a living sacrifice for God.

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only 8? pathetic. enjoy hell enjoy-hell-posters.

>>18225547
>then I'm doomed to hell according to you
Strawman, I'm saying Jesus tells us to keep His law and other things (you would call that works), not just have faith in Him.
>Have you ever accepted the gift of salvation
How is that not a "work"? Having faith is also works, this distinction between faith-works is a false dialectic

>Ephesians 2:6
You know that is Paul writing to a Church right? Those people all god Baptized, worshipped in a ritualistic manner, were expected to follow the Law to their best ability, etc

>>18225707
You should just pay attention to what this guy wrote: >>18225499, have you been born again?

Somebody embodied in the Holy Spirit becomes a new creation, and that comes with a new heart/nature to do all you can for good works. There's no struggle with it, it just comes and then is. If you have to force yourself for good works and instead want to only go and sin and continue in the exact same lifestyle as when you were lost, then that means were not saved (born again) in the first place, and are just proclaiming faith in Jesus Christ with empty lips, because you are instead trusting in your own good works to justify yourself to God. When you are saved, you still have the old fleshly nature (Romans 7:17-25) that is cut off from the soul (Colossians 2:11-14), and because of that, sin in the flesh is possible (though it would make you feel horrible compared to before you were saved), but you also have the new spiritual nature that wants to do good works and hates sin.

If you start ignoring the fleshly nature, and do good works, it doesn't feel like a chore because it's the desire of the spiritual nature (the real you) to love and serve God, being useful to Him.

If you start ignoring the new nature, and keep doing bad works that make you feel disgusted, you will grieve the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 4:30) and sear your conscience so it doesn't feel as bad the next time when you do something wrong, like for example in 1 Corinthians 5:1-5 there was a Christian who was fornicating and wanted to live in the flesh according to the old nature instead of the new nature, so God saw it fit for his flesh to be destroyed by satan and sin, but Paul says he is still saved because salvation is not based on how well we present our flesh as a living sacrifice for God, but on the righteousness of Jesus Christ.

So have you been saved, or are you trying to be your own savior?

>>18225205
>to follow the law
Which law are you referring to?
>>18225216
The ceremonial law was temporal and to be fulfilled, the natural law is the one that remains.
>>18225253
>don’t manage to do his commandments perfectly
No, you must not commit mortal sin. If you commit venial sins that were not forgiven, you go to purgatory and then heaven. Under your model one may not leave God if he wants you as if we are muppets. However, Jesus states that people can believe and stop doing so in Luke 8:13-14.
>I don’t think that makes much sense
Regardless, your doctrine teaches a believer may fornicate, commit idolatry, commit adultery, etc… without losing grace.

Another retarded fucking thread

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Enough good karma eventually takes you to heaven for a while. Enough bad karma eventually takes you to hell for a while. On the scale of many lifetimes, you tend to reap what you sow. Simple as.

None of this "Oh you should be a good person but you shouldn't try to be a good person because trying to be a good person by yourself amounts to rejecting God's gift of imputed righteousness which he can give you because he killed himself and which is the only thing that can save you from being rightfully tortured forever." Or whatever it is.

Stuff clearly got lost in translation for the Christian model of how salvation works to be such a coutnerintuitive mess that isn't either just or properly benevolent.

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>>18217453
AHHHHHH I never even heard of kike religions before.

>>18227330
Quick Holocaust a goat to YHWH it might appease him

>If your offering is a goat, you are to present it before the Lord, lay your hand on its head and slaughter it in front of the tent of meeting. Then Aaron’s sons shall splash its blood against the sides of the altar. From what you offer you are to present this food offering to the Lord: the internal organs and all the fat that is connected to them, both kidneys with the fat on them near the loins, and the long lobe of the liver, which you will remove with the kidneys. The priest shall burn them on the altar as a food offering, a pleasing aroma. All the fat is the Lord’s.

Leviticus
3:12

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>>18226767
https://archive.org/details/fiveheresiesexam0000ruck/page/16/mode/2up

>>18229213
>no Christian was ever saved by keeping moral commandments
Galatians 2:16 is referring to ceremonial law based on context. James 2 tells us Abraham was considered righteous by God for obeying his commandment. In Soddom and Gommorah the ones who kept the natural law were saved and the rest were dammed.
>if any sinner counts on the law to save him he falls from grace
This completely debunks sola fide since it teaches that one must still adhere to the correct dogma to be saved.

There's an interesting idea that seems to show up whenever Paul talks about eating meat sacrificed to idols, where, at least to me, it's as if, as part of faith, a person has a responsibility to follow their own conscience to the best of their ability, and if they don't they're liable to be condemned. So e.g. if one person feels that eating meat offered to idols would be wrong, then it's wrong for them to do it, but if they don't then it isn't.

>For if others see you, who possess knowledge, eating in the temple of an idol, might they not, since their conscience is weak, be encouraged to the point of eating food sacrificed to idols?So by your knowledge the weak brother or sister for whom Christ died is destroyed.But when you thus sin against brothers and sisters and wound their conscience when it is weak, you sin against Christ. Therefore, if food is a cause of their falling, I will never again eat meat, so that I may not cause one of them to fall.
Note that the consequence of a person with a "weak" conscience going against their weak conscience can apparently be "destruction."

>Hold the conviction that you have as your own before God. Blessed are those who do not condemn themselves because of what they approve. But those who have doubts are condemned if they eat because they do not act from faith, for whatever does not proceed from faith is sin.
Again note that "not acting from faith" can lead to condemnation, so it seems like this faith thing does incorporate one's actions, even though the standard might strangely vary between individuals.

This also seems potentially related to what is said by Jesus in Matthew, "For the judgment you give will be the judgment you get, and the measure you give will be the measure you get."

>>18229956
Combined with Romans 2, which says things like,
>He will repay according to each one’s deeds: to those who by patiently doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life, while for those who are self-seeking and who obey not the truth but injustice, there will be wrath and fury.
I kind of wonder if in Paul's view it's entirely possible for someone to be saved by "faith" in the sense of following their conscience in line with their level of understanding even if they've never in practice heard of Jesus. That would make Christianity a little less silly, though it also makes the moral standard terribly vague seen from the outside. But maybe that isn't an issue for God who looks on the heart and judges the secret thoughts of all.
>They show that what the law requires is written on their hearts, as their own conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts will accuse or perhaps excuse them on the day when, according to my gospel, God through Christ Jesus judges the secret thoughts of all.
But would the harshness of a person's own conscience really be a good way to judge them? The worst people often seem to be quite comfortable with their conscience, at least from an outside perspective.

>>18229995
It makes hypocrisy into the arch-sin, with just about everything else being manageable as long as you have the excuse of being too stupid in general or too much a moral imbecile in particular to know better.

>>18229894
Yeah. Noah was saved by obeying God too. So why aren't you being like them and obeying God?

Romans 3:23-28 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law."

If you can just purge your sins by doing good works and becoming righteous enough that way, then what Jesus Christ did would be in vain:

Galatians 2:21 "I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain."

You are ignoring the blood atonement Jesus Christ did for us and relying on yourself to get to heaven.

Did you read the image? What you are claiming to be "saved" by is not grace, it's your works.

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>>18229894
>>18230017

I'll just post this again since you're just trying to go back to the law the try to be justified and ignoring this.

"Any man in any dispensation is saved by doing what God tells him to do – John 5v24, Acts 16v30+31, Acts 8v37, Gen 15v1-6, Gen 6v14 etc. God tells men different things, on different occasions.

The Lord Jesus Christ initially came only to Israel – Mat 15v24, but knowing all that would happen, He came to save Gentiles also – Luke 2v25-32.

The OT saint under the law must perform the works (Deut 28v14) as an evidence of his faith (James 2v21). These works do not justify him (Gal 3v11) unless faith accompanies them (Heb 11v39+40). He lives by doing (Ezek 18), and when he quits doing (Ps 51v11), he has had it! (Judg 16v20). God can take the Spirit from him permanently (Saul), or temporarily (Samson), or not at all (David), but even under the law exceptions are made (2 Sam 12v13). Grace is everywhere manifest in the life of Samson who never repents, confesses, or restores anything one time in a lifetime of continued transgression. But eternal security is unknown in the OT apart from the Psalms of David (Ps 91v14- 16), who was given sure mercies (Acts 13v34) that other men were not given (2 Sam 7v14). Even in the OT ‘the just’ lives by faith, but it is his faith (Hab 2v4), whereas the NT believer is living by the faith of the Son of God (Gal 2v20). The differences are in the dispensations.

You need to understand that. Another example would be regarding forgiveness… Read Mat 6v14+15 – here you are only forgiven if you forgive others, yet the Christian has already been forgiven of all his sins – Eph 4v32, Col 2v13. Our salvation does not depend upon any form of works. The key to understanding the Scriptures is to rightly divide them – 2 Tim 2v15."

https://download.timefortruth.co.uk/docs/Christian_Soldiers_Battle_Notes.pdf

>>18230017
>Galatians 2:21
Mosaic law ≠ Natural law
>blood atonement
There is no penal substitution or else no one would go to hell.
>works not grace
Works without grace are absolutely nothing
>>18230039
>any man in dispensation
His doesn’t exist, it is a modern American invention by random Baptist preachers.
>James 2:21
James said Abraham was counted as righteous for a work.
>Ephesians 4
I have already shown you that Ephesians 5 shows you cannot commit mortal sins.

>>18217475
Paul also said this.:

I speak as to sensible people; judge for yourselves what I say.

And Peter says this about the writing of paul:

His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of the lawless and fall from your secure position. But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever! Amen.

>>18217453
any christian denomination is part of christ's kingdom, if they are right or wrong is another story.

>>18230156
Probably be fairer to say that believers are, not the denominations themselves. I don't think Christ is going to condemn people if certain dogmas are wrong and followed, but it's not the ideal either. Certain dogmas might lead to full spiritual life not being realized if followed, not through God's denial, but from natural consequence.

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>>18217453
you will go to jahannam for being a trinitarian pagan worshipping a ghost and a father and a son like its a soap opera, you think the Creator partakes in some sort of big bang theory or friends tv show shit, what the fuck is daddy and son being both divine why wont the mom be divine then huh???? oh that's sexist, Mary is not good enough to be divine too? many of you fuckers worship carton board statues of her anyway???? why not go full soap opera mode like the pagan low IQ retards you are and just do like greeks or nose oh there's zeus he is the main protagonist coolest character and in first season he fucks venus and he beefs with ares and bla bla bla or thor and all that shit or shiva the blue demon and the 9 arms elephant... ridiculous idols that you consider God....

GOD IS ONE, ETERNAL. HE IS FAR BEYOND ALL WHICH YOU ASSOCIATE WITH HIM. HE DOES NOT BEGET NOR IS HE BORN.

>>18230514
It's hilarious, because Islam is going to become extinct and you don't even know it.

yapping about contradictions in the bible is pointless because god transcends logic (by definition) and so he can contradict himself and still be right

>>18230721
God doesn't contradict Himself. What you're proposing is something Mormons have to believe, because they have to walk back on their made up nonsense constantly.

>>18230542
Says the faith that got surpassed, cry me a river pagan

>>18217475
>Paul
You mean Shaul