Correct me if I'm wrong, but for whatever reason the Fuhrer wanted to use infantry to penetrate American lines at the Ardennes Offensive, and then tanks to follow through, but why? I saw that sometimes infantry would go in unsupported and get held back by small numbers of dug in American troops, e.g. Battle of Lanzerath Ridge, and then suffer ludicrous casualties.Was this the norm, or was this a new strategy?Why did they do this? Why not have tanks and infantry move in simultaneously?
>>18217773The only good reason would have been anti-tank measures that needed to be taken care of. Bazooka, mines, etc.
>>18217785Panthers could withstand bazooka rounds, especially the upgraded ones with side protection, and were there significant mines around the assault points?
>>18217773>the Fuhrer wanted to use infantry to penetrate American lines at the Ardennes Offensive, and then tanks to follow through, but why?Standard operating procedure for everybody at the time; infantry supported by artillery (and a few tanks) punches a hole in the enemy's line and then the tank and mechanized forces pour thru and sweep around behind the enemy and attack their command and logistics.
>>18217793Not on the turret sides or to the tracks. Even King Tigers were vunerable to bazookas. The yanks also had powerful anti tank guns and Tank destroyers that could destroy a Panther front on by late 44' The germans also had to navigate their huge tanks along narrow roads .through heavy woods, hilly terrain and over multiple bridges, something that wasnt helped by a lot of the tanks manned by new inexperienced crews because most of the veterans this late in the war had died. One tank hit could stop an entire convoy. It was also in winter when the daylight hours were very short - tanks at the time didnt have nightvision (apart from a few experimental panthers) so were limited to advancing for about 6 hours every day. Infantry are much more versatile in such conditions.
>>18217773They were using stormtrooper infiltration tactics to conserve fuel for more decisive concentrated pushes against American weak points.
>>18217785>>18217793>>18218626>>18218967>>18219271This is the coolest shit ever, why couldn't I have fought in WW2? Modern warfare is absolute dogshit soulless garbage. >"hurr durr I was le walking and a drone almost got me and then another drone almost got me and then a drone blew my legs off and crippled me for life." We're getting to the point where conventional tactics are going to be a thing of the past. By the end of the century, armies are going to be almost fully automated, and it's going to come down to who can produce more.
>>18219356I think we are moving toward land battleships. People laugh at Germany for their idea of building sized tanks, but with engines advancing, armor advancing, and turtle tanks being effective against everything but highly expensive ballistic missiles, we will see land battleships like the Ratte. With an anti missile system a massive land dreadnought could achieve the breakthroughs mid 20th century panzer divisions achieved.A tank is just a squad of infantry up gunned and heavily armored.A land battleship is just a tank brigade up gunned and heavily armored.Trust me, the armchair historians who laugh le wacky wunderwaffen will eat their fucking shoes when America, POCCA, and China roll out their land cruisers.It will be anti-drone/air/missile all packed into a mobile fire base, heavily armored and filled with shock troops ready to sweep up enemy forces encircled by the breakthrough. It’s also the best way through minefields.
>>18219365Interesting theory. I know American war doctrine is now pouring all available resources into long range rockets. So this is a pretty comparable concept, which would be cool to see.
>>18219365people laugh at the anti drone spines/ adhoc armour in ukrane but a lot of them don't know that the earliest tanks rolled out had anti grenade screens that are surprisingly similar, although they generally only covered the roof of the vehicle instead of all over
>>18219356>it's going to come down to who can produce more.This is what happened in WW2.
>>18219356>"hurr durr I was le walking and a mortar round almost got me and then another mortar round almost got me and then a mortar round blew my legs off and crippled me for life."
>>18217773That is saving deficit recources (tanks and their fuel) that is crucial for second stage of operation (deep breakthrough) by sacrificing less deficit recources (infantry) where it's possible. During penetration of first defense lines. Latter (if successful) infantry is much less userfull as it can't move fast into breakthrough.
>>18219365you are gonna get hypersonic missile'd ladif you can be seen you can be hit
>>18217773Infantry with supporting elements create the breakthrough, tanks exploit the breakthrough. That was the German doctrine in WW2 from the beginning.
you guys can type this shit into google and read an actual article about it instead of being fat and talking to other fats who don't know what they are talking aboutlike the only thing you are accomplishing here is babbling while you all line up your 1400 excess daily caloriesYou could have just googled this shit and read about it, and get up and go for a walk every couple of hours and eat a salad for lunch
>>18217773Mobilized infantry are the screening force, they're the eyes and ears and discover the hard/weak points
>>18219453More robots and drones.
>>18219894You have to manually scout out the position/enemy troop movement, be aware of where they are, and attempt to hit them with that indirect fire. You can avoid mortars, snipers, and artillery with preventative measures and knowledge but drones operators can kill you 24 hours, 7 days a week, wherever and whenever. It doesn't fucking matter what you do, they will find you.
>>18222231Everything you listed also applies to drones.
>>18220005Hypersonic missiles will be intercepted by LPDS
>>18222231Drones are worse because it feels personnel, plus all the vids of drone operators toying with the wounded & prisoners. Prior artillery was just hitting coordinates on a map.Drones can still be countered with wire spam, jammers (unless fibreop or autonomous drone), shotguns, flak, other drones etc
>>18224102Personal* durh
