What was there problem ?Why were they so fucking agressive compared to other native americans ??
>have western guns because you're near a bunch of trading posts>rival peoples don't have those (or don't have as strong/large a state to take advantage of them)>profitNot that different from euros, just expanding because they could. That fur isn't gonna sell itself.
>>18220364We don't talk enough about how they literally genocided their own race, the Wendat-Huron people as soon as they received guns from the Dutch
>>18220380>they literally genocided their own racethat was a tribe, not an entire "race", why do you say this as if europeans weren't actually genociding their own race through literally all of history?
corrupted by contact with whitey
>>18220419The Iroquois, along with every other native population in the New World, were just as “corrupted” for their entire existence as whitey was in Europe. War, conquest, greed, tyranny, religious violence, resource extraction, etc. are universal traits of human individual and societal behavior, regardless of the continent or culture you come from.Before European arrival, the Iroquois confederation itself had formed as a direct consequence of endemic warfare between the Iroquoian people of modern upstate New York. Along with each other, these nations were also regularly involved in violent conflicts with other Iroquoian, as well as Algonquin, neighbors. While the later conflicts of the 16th and 17th centuries would be bloodier, it was far from the first time these peoples had fought, killed, conquered and despoiled each other. Champlain himself noted, in one of the first and only observations of uncorrupted Native behavior, how Iroquoian battles traditionally involved not disparate bands of hit-and-run warriors, but rank and file soldiery, drawn up in formation with wooden and leather shields, helmets and armor, engaging in pitched battles with enemy forces. From this specific observation, archery volleys inaugurated battle, and individual champions would have opportunities before the two sides clashed to single out and challenge to single combat other enemy soldiers. Unfortunately, in this instance Champlain, accompanying one of the Iroquoian armies, demonstrated the power of firearms before the assembled troops by opening fire on the charging enemy. Needless to say, the battle ended immediately after, with the opposing force freaking the fuck out and fleeing the field through both the forest and across the St. Lawrence river. This idea of whitey “corrupting” otherwise innocent native societies like the Iroquois is, on its face, explicitly retarded, and nothing more than a buck-broken cope from “Noble Savage” lefties and seething modern Natives.
Fun fact: The Iroquois Confederacy had their own constitution. It was the main inspiration for the United States constitution, far more than any European document, as admitted by several founding fathers. They called it the Great Law of Peace and considered themselves to be highly peaceful. Probably justified their constant wars with non Iroquois the same way as the colonialists by saying "well non Iroquois are subhuman so they don't count" or something
>>18220364Fun fact: the chaos and societal change instigated by the Beaver Wars and other conflicts started by the Iroquois Confederacy's expansion likely played a major role in the demise of the last couple northern mound builder indian cultures, some of which had survived up until the 1700s
>>18220539Why would you give a sincere answer to that post? Learn to recognize bait
>>18220419Almost read it as corrupted by "contact with whiskey", honestly was going to agree with you.
>>18220710>Probably justified their constant wars with non Iroquois the same way as the colonialists by saying "well non Iroquois are subhuman so they don't count" or somethingDid they have their own manifest destiny or a mass leader?
>>18220539Based and Champlain-pilled
>>18220726I mean yeah, its clearly low effort bait, but I also love any excuse to info dump about pre-columbian Eastern Woodlands societies, warfare and culture, especially the Iroquois, so why not, who cares
>>18220729Not gonna lie I don't really know, I only found this out pretty recently but the course I learned about it in covered a million subjects and thus couldn't spend too much time on it. Basically though their entire political and social philosophy was all about peace and the great achievement it was to to unite the Iroquois in peace, but they were still waging constant wars against non Iroquois.>>18220742You know what I've been there I understand completely. Do you know the answer to the anon above's question?
>>18220719>the Beaver WarsThey made the best waterproof hats >>18220726Why are you pretending like the average post on here isn't bait?Lrn2not be a faggot
>>18220364>Why were they so fucking agressive compared to other native americans ??Pretty sure the Comanche were far more aggressive, I mean they actually made their own steppe empire
>>18220729>>18220746>Mass LeaderBeyond the Great Peacemaker, Hiawatha and Jigonhsasee, who effectively created the Confederacy, as well as much later leaders like Cornplanter, who was contemporaneous with the likes of Washington, the Iroquois didn’t really have any kind of “mass leader” type of figure. They predominantly got by with their appointed chiefs and diplomats for a couple hundred years, who worked to play the French, British and other Native rivals off of each other for the entire Confederations benefit. The closest you’d probably get is the Peacemaker himself (real name Deganawida), who lived well before European contact (or before any contact had been made, if you subscribe to the 16th century origin model).1/2
>>18221267You seem somewhat knowledgable on this anon so I'll ask you. Is 'Cultivating a Landscape of peace' a good book for learning about the Iroquois?
>>18220729>>18220746>>18221267>Manifest DestinyThe Iroquois didn’t really have a comparable mindset or ideology like this either. Their rapid expansion and later conquests are primarily a result of 2 things: settling old scores, and the consequences of Old World contact. By virtue of possessing a political and societal structure more complex, sophisticated and stable than their native rivals, and then combined with European weaponry, the Iroquois managed to finally break the backs of those with whom they had warred for centuries. Pushing into Lake Erie and then deep into the Ohio River valley further ensured they had uncontested access to less depleted hunting grounds, which they could utilize for greater leverage and wealth in the Fur trade. This meant more warriors with prestige, more assimilated captives, more European arms, and more legitimacy as an actual power in the eyes of Europe, whom they well knew were watching and lusting after their newly subjugated lands.Underneath all of that, though, are the far more devastating consequences of the Colombian Exchange, namely disease. It’s genuinely difficult to put into words how apocalyptic disease was upon every native culture in the New World, especially North America. Tens of millions of people (perhaps even more), who still had no idea anything resembling a “whitey” had ever stumbled across their continents, fell ill with unexplainable and agonizing sicknesses they could never hope to stop the spread of. It’s the curse of occupying a landmass that’s been separated from all others for thousands of years. The Iroquois, as a power and people, were utterly crippled by it, and fueled in part by a cultural institution of taking captives and “adopting” the vanquished, the Iroquois further sought to bolster their vanishing numbers by expanding their borders.2/2
Every single society has led horrible atrocities against each other.The only exception are Black Kangz who instead spread their superior BBC genes on each society conquered without commiting atrocities. The BBC alone subdues any insurgents from mouth watering.
>>18221324Niggers are genociding each other in Sudan as we speak
>>18221308That’s a solid pick anon, I support it. Much of Dennis’ analysis is based heavily upon primary source documentation, so you can be confident that his assessments, while largely speculative in nature, are still grounded in verifiable historical reality. That being said, I would caution you to still be extra diligent in assessing the historical quality of many books on Native Americans, including the Iroquois. This is extra important when it comes to any analysis of their Pre-Columbian societies. Given the (unfortunately) niche nature of these histories compared to other peoples and locales who traditionally attract more professional attention (think Near Eastern antiquity, Greece, Rome, Mesoamerica, Medieval Europe, etc.), the kinds of people who delve into the Eastern Woodlands are either (at least in my experience):1. Autisticly dedicated to archaeological and primary source materials to explore specific areas of Native life (the best kinds of historical professionals, but who can also get very siloed into their own individual interpretations), or 2. Gutter-trash New Age “Decolonization” faggots who rarely, if ever, properly utilize/cite actual sources and instead obsess on such things as “the matrilineal girl-bosses of hypothetical Iroquois society” and their “indigenous connection to Mother Earth’s healing tradition”. Just be sure to dig a bit into individual authors, series, publishers and sources to ensure that what you’re getting is legitimate. Some other good books I can recommend are:>Iroquoia: The Development of a Native World> The Great Law and the Longhouse: A Political History of the Iroquois Confederacy> Seneca Myths and Folk Tales> Iroquois Diplomacy on the Early American Frontier> A Journey into Mohawk and Oneida Country, 1634-1635> Archaeology of the Iroquois: Selected Readings and Research SourcesJust to name a few!
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>>18221492opinion on this?
>>18220364if you want the iroquois perspective, my boy malcolm pl does an amazing job explaining ithttps://youtu.be/Ek5yVKE-iA8
>>18221568This guy has some solid Iroquois content (especially on the armor), but his video on the Beaver Wars left me pretty disappointed. In broad strokes it was a decent analysis of an infamously convoluted series of events, but by the end it just devolved into “le capitalism bad” and “whitey introduced money and market economics to hapless natives who had never before known such evil”, which is inherently retarded on its face (North American natives, including the Iroquois, were not stupid and did possess such things as private ownership, property and trade beyond basic bartering, as all human cultures do) and de-values the otherwise insightful analysis of the wars origins, conduct and consequences. It’s a shame the guys convoluted leftist sperging ended up sucking the oxygen out of a video and topic that deserves far more serious considerations
>>18220710One big innovation was banning cannibalism, unironically.When Hiawatha met the Great Peacemaker it was a big wakeup call.IIRC it's said that when the peacemaker saw his home, there were many human legs and arms hung from the ceiling, and a large pot of bubbling man stew.
>>18220742This board hates them.The Mesoamerican autists refuse to talk about anything north of Cahokia. Probably because they're irredentist chicano la raza types.
>>18221696Local mesoamerica autist here, im not latin, I dont give a shit about mexican identity or whatever, im just not educated on the topic of northern natives. People are always making up mean shit about mesoamerica posters here and I really dont know why, we're extremely inoffensive people.
>>18221544Tbh I haven’t read that one, I’m more focused on the Pre-Columbian Eastern Woodlands (St. Lawrence River Valley and Great Lakes, while occasionally spanning as far down as modern Georgia) and Mississippian peoples. Most of what I know of more Western Natives (Plains, Great Basin, Pacific Northwest, Southwest, etc.) comes more in the form of their interactions and influences further east. That being said, I suppose I expect scholarship of such peoples as the Comanches to be as similarly divided as the East, between based material-record autists and new-age “decolonial” homos. I do get the impression, however, (which could admittedly be incorrect) that the Western tribes might have a more prominent and less “niche” position in historical treatments, due to such things as their independence lasting well into the 19th century (as opposed to the 17th or 18th for many Eastern peoples), their continued presence in popular culture (they are the universal Indian stereotypes after all) and, of all things, their extensive utilization and mastery of the horse (along with their dependence on Bison, another striking NA animal). I’m hoping to move westwards after exhausting my books and sources from the east, so once that happens, I’ll have a more definitive answer.
>>18221745Whats your favorite Mound Builder site that Isn't Cahokia?
>>18221727its insecurity. whenever they do its because theyre projecting really hard. they really cant believe people are actually interested in discussing and being literate in history, let alone a region they dislike.
>>18221727In my experience, over the years I've seen too many people here saying Mexicans, Guatemalans, Venesuelans, etc are indigenous to north America because of their race alone.If you remember how this board used to be about race before the midwits shifted over to spamming the board with godjaks because people were discussion the finer points of theology, you might know where I'm coming from.Without a shred of recognition that they do not have any share in the tribal identities of the varied American Indian groups. And in the same breath, saying these American Indians are not real Indians because they have white ancestry too. That is deeply insulting, and I'm not even an Indian.They're alien to the true mentality of these people, who were known to adopt foreigners of all kinds white or black into their tribes. Race really didn't matter to them, tribe mattered. Sometimes I think it's because compared to those American Indians who have managed to preserve their cultural heritage (which is still at risk in most parts since newer generations tend to not learn the language) these sudacas are relatively decultured as regards specific tribal affiliation and have been for some time (which is why they double down on race). That's more true of some folks than others obviously, I'm sure the Inca are an exception to this for example. But I was mostly thinking of Mexicans tbqh.
>>18221745I read it and its alright. The early chapter read more like Howard hyperborean era(lack of sources) but the author is both pretty good and unbiased its good read
>>18221727they are projecting their bias
>>18221752Pretty niche answer but I’ve always been a sucker for the Wickliffe Mounds in Kentucky. Beautiful view of the Mississippi there and some great material cultures been preserved. Gives some great insight into what a medium sized settlement of that era would’ve looked like.
>>18221756Many years ago now I made lots of threads on north American Indians going back to the end of the last ice age, varied sites through the archaic and woodland periods, with lots of good pictures and shit. Asking substantive questions like, why did the use of copper tools disappear from NA around the same time maize was introduced from the south.I'd even go through the trouble of finding memoryholed things that were completely destroyed by development. Something like 90 percent of ancient NA Indian monuments and sites are simply gone because Americans built cities on top of them, grave robbers pilfered them, or farmers plowed them down to plant their crops on a level surface. The same land that George Washington saw in his survey of the Ohio River Valley, which once boasted the extensive remains of a great lost civilization, does not exist in that form any more.It's all very sad. You have to rabbit hole very hard to find interesting things now.They would just get slid off the board with no replies while yet another Cahokia thread gets bumped for days.
>>18220364>proto-feminismYeah, they were predestined to not last long.
>>18221756>>18221768My assumption is that they only "study" history to self insert as their "ancestors", take credit for their achievements, and fantasize about conquering, and thats why they assume everyone who has even the slightest interest in mesoamerica is a europe hating mexican trying to upstage them>>18221777The average person just doesn't know that there were any large urban settlements or complex societies with interesting cultures arts and crafts etc north of mexico other than Cahokia(if they even know about Cahokia at all) so they dont think theres any reason to study them, which in turn perpetuates the ignorance about the subject. It wouldn't surprise me if more than half the modern world pictures naked cavemen in their heads when they think of north american natives
>>18221783You don't hear it as much anymore, but there was a time when people were taught that NA Indians never built anything from stone.Seriously though. This topic is still taboo and has to find serious discussion on. You'll find a lot of unexplained "colonial root cellars" with massive slabs of stone for roofs oriented in auspicious directions certain days of the year.>CahokiaThere's a theory that Cahokia is what brought the mound building tradition to a close. As in large numbers of eastern mound builders were enslaved and made to create this monster step pyramid thing in Mesoamerican style. That the birdman motifs you see at that site are evidence of southern influence, since it's ubiquitous in Mesoamerica but uncommon in the north. Heard that in an old documentary I watched years ago on it, don't remember the title but that theory stuck in my head.People don't understand that Indians used the river systems as trade lanes that spanned the entire continent north to south.For me, some of the craziest shit I learned about is the water burials and material culture of the Windover site. Their woven fabrics are seriously impressive. Equally impressive to me are the Maritime Archaic, who were the first to settle the far north east after the glaciers receded, invented toggling harpoons and constructed stone cairns to aid in coastal navigation over hundreds of kilometers, and whose cultural legacy contains the Ojibwe and broader Algonquin families.In fact, there was actually a *very* good NOVA documentary made on them in the 70s or 80s that was suppressed because it contained wrongthink. There was a high quality uncut rip posted on y**t*b* a while back that got a few hundred thousand views after I blew it up, but then also got taken down. The only ones left out there had real shitty audio, maybe there's something on the archive.
>>18221752Definitely the massive shell mounds along the Great Lakes and Atlantic coast.Most of them contain many layers of burials.The most impressive ones were mined into nothing. But there are still ridiculous examples, of which I have saved images of huge cross sections cut out on another device. Some people even used them as walls, sounds crazy but it's true.
>>18221815contAnd it wasn't just this one documentary that got deleted. This dude was posting obscure old documentaries nearly every week, they had hundreds of them uploaded. Many could probably be considered lost media.Anyways y**t*b* nuked his entire channel. What a fucking waste, I hope there is a place in hell for that admin or the scumbag lawyer who issued a takedown.
>>18221815I mean, probably not the case considering mound building cultures continued to exist and thrive for centuries after Cahokia's collapse, all the way until european contact with the first spanish explorers and even into the 1700s in some places (though admittedly most of them in this period were in the southeast and the lower Mississippi rather than in the north), with some of their settlements supposedly having populations as high as Cahokia's
>>18221906>admittedly most of them in this period were in the southeast and the lower Mississippi rather than in the northAnother factor in this is how comparatively late Cahokia is.My research isn't deep enough to identify specifically which surviving examples post-date Cahokia.Anyways to my knowledge Cahokia was constructed in the same way as the very many smaller mounds and earthworks in the east regularly were, baskets of earth tramped down one at a time.So the name of this old channel that doesn't exist anymore was NowhereMan. Just recalled it.People genuinely don't have a clue just how many fucking mounds still exist somehow.There's another channel that's still up, he's a little kooky but genuinely solid and in the years which I occasionally watched or listened to his content he was open-minded enough to modify his positions when he came across new information. Unfortunately, he stopped playing some time back. The name cf-apps7865 should have a much greater cache than it does, he spent hundreds of hours comprehensively plotting different mound sites across the continental US on google earth. Hundreds of different pin points from west of the Mississippi to the Atlantic coast northwards to Canada.Not only that, but his presentations include rare early photographs that I suspect aren't widely available through any search engine.This project of his really rammed through the point to me of just how much there used to be before most of it was wrecked.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raG2RxJ-jeo&t=361I'll just leave this here as just one example of his work I find to be par for the course.
>>18220364Once the Europeans got a foothold in what is now the US, there is nothing the Iroquois could have done to keep themselves from eventually getting wrecked by the US. They managed to expand their territory after contact through military victories against enemy tribes, but those gains were lost when the US forced them to cede most of their land. They tried allying with the British, but that failed when the British got kicked out. If they'd allied with the American revolutionaries instead, they inevitably would have gotten backstabbed like the Five Civilized Tribes did. The Five Civilized Tribes participated in the slave trade and their slaves were forced to walk with them during the Trail of Tears. They supported the Confederacy because they hated the federal government, were promised their own states after the war, and their economy largely relied on slaves (mainly the Cherokee). The tribes were required to grant full tribal citizenship to all freedmen (former slaves and their descendants) after the Civil War. The Cherokee and some of the other tribes started to restrict the qualifications required for full citizenship a few decades ago, which ended up excluding almost all of the blacks.
>>18221959contHe brought this article specifically to my attention, even though I was already familiar with this problem for many years prior.https://pahistoricpreservation.com/finding-meaning-stone/"In a 2007 resolution, the United South and Eastern Tribes, Inc. (USET) declared that “within the ancestral territories of the USET Tribes there exists sacred ceremonial stone landscapes [CSL] and their stone structures which are of particular cultural value.” The resolution went on to state archaeologists’ interpretation of stone features and landscapes as the result of farming practices has not only left these sacred sites vulnerable to development, but passes judgement on their significance and protection, or lack thereof. This resolution was shortly followed by the first National Register determination of eligibility for a CSL in Massachusetts in 2008. USET has since collaborated with other agencies and organizations on CSL inventories, survey standards, and training opportunities. Interestingly, a 2016 USET resolution on this topic specifically identified “concentrations of pristine ceremonial stone groupings” in Pennsylvania....While this phenomenon is common in New England, the occurrence of these stone features and landscapes in Pennsylvania is less well known. Due to the history of conflicting interpretations, when these sites were recorded, they were inconsistently classified as burial mounds, earthworks, and “Other Specialized Aboriginal Sites” – to name a few. Until recently, we did not even have a feature type that could represent these stone stacks of unknown function. There are 35 recorded sites across Pennsylvania that contain ambiguous stone constructions. The majority of these are cairn clusters ranging in size from a single cairn to fields containing 120 features. Specific information from CRM surveys and NEARA members suggests the potential to record at least 25 additional sites in northeast Pennsylvania alone."
Sometimes I think tourism agencies do viral marketing campaigns here and that's why you see so many threads on Cahokia and none at all on less well known sites which have no infrastructure to support and monetize droves of visitors.But that's just a thought.
>United South and Eastern Tribes
Ceremonial Stone Landscapes is the term used by USET, United Southern and Eastern Tribes, Inc.,[1] a nonprofit, intertribal organization of American Indians, for certain stonework sites in eastern North America. Elements often found at these sites include dry stone walls, rock piles (sometimes referred to as cairns), stone chambers, unusually-shaped boulders, split boulders with stones inserted in the split, and boulders propped up off the ground with smaller rocks.[2][3][4] While neither the age of these sites nor the idea of their creation by indigenous peoples has been accepted generally, interest in the sites is increasing. This interest is generated in part by USET's Resolution #2007:037,[5] entitled Sacred Ceremonial Stone Landscapes Found in the Ancestral Territories of United Southern and Eastern Tribes, Inc. Member Tribes.""within the ancestral territories of the USET Tribes there exist sacred ceremonial stone landscapes and their stone structures which are of particular cultural value to certain member Tribes;"..."whether these stone structures are massive or small structures, stacked, stone rows, or effigies, these prayers in stone are often mistaken by archaeologists and State Historic Preservation Officers (SHPOs) as the efforts of farmers clearing stones for agricultural or wall building purposes""
>>18221315>>18221267>The Great Peacemaker worked all his life to bring his vision to fruition. He prophesied that a "white serpent" would come to his people's lands and make friends with them, only to deceive them later. A "red serpent" would later make war against the "white serpent", but a Native American boy would be given a great power. He would be accepted as a chosen leader by the people of "the land of the hilly country." The boy stays neutral in the fight, and he speaks to the people, who number as the blades of grass, but he is heard by all. After a season, a "black serpent" would come and defeat both the "white" and "red serpents". According to the prophecy, when the people gathered under the elm tree become humble, all three "serpents" would be blinded by a light many times brighter than the sun. Deganawidah said that he would be that light. His nation would accept the "white serpent" into their safekeeping like a long-lost brother.This actually sounds cool, are there more prophets like these?
>>18221315>>18220539>>18221492>>18221745Thanks anon, that was a very interesting read. Were the Iroquois as feminist as leftoids say?
>>18220710>non Iroquois are subhuman so they don't countWould've been impossible since the Iroquois were built around the idea of people being completely replaceable. If there was a plague and Uncle Jack who handles cooking the turkey for Thanksgiving dies the tribe would literally just go out, kidnap a guy, call him Uncle Jack and force him to learn how to cook a turkey. They couldn't allow themselves to be picky with ancestry.
>>18220710>fun factRedditAnyway the Iroquois were right about genociding foreigners.Americans should start TKD TND as the Iroquois did.
>>18221727You’re spiritual niggers who pollute a good culture with chincano la raza revisionism.Indigenista commies and Cardenists need to be in front of the same wall as cartelcels.no mamé guey-ACK
>>18223025I do believe he explicitly told you he is not mexican nor cares about mexican identity politics
>>18221758Sudacas are urbanized while Northern Natives are tribal HGs.Both are vice filled savage cretins but Northern ones weren’t bugmen behaving like slightly redder jeets.
>>18223028They eat up Mexican historiography which has been shit for a century.
>>18223032now you will ask me how i know you have not read anything about the culture of south america
>>18223025>>18223033schizophrenia
>>18223033Mesoamerican studies are shaped by western archaeologists and historians just as much as, if not more than, Mexican ones. Stop with your strange delusion that all work that has ever been done on one of the world's major examples of indepedent civilization must be some conspiracy by the elites of a country you dislike because you think some chicanos with silly Aztec tattoos are the ones conducting excavations on the Templo Mayor.And none of what guy talks about is revisionism, unless you're one of those retards who believes everything that has changed in historiography since the 19th century must be some malicious revisionism and not just the natural result of new discoveries and techniques being made in 200 years.>>18223032Unless you're talking exclusively about what is now Canada, you're wrong. The majority of "Northern Natives" lived in sedentary or semi-sedentary agricultural (or even sedentary but not agricultural like in the pacific northwest) societies, with the ones in what is now the Southeastern United States even having a few towns with populations in the low tens of thousands, which is about as much as the average Mesoamerican city. Though something tells me this is the kind of thing you consider to be "revisionism" as well.
>>18223391i do find it funny that even in historical times the europeans and americans in north america mostly fought against settled agriculture-practicing indians 90% of the time then at the tail end of manifest destiny the plains indians get famous by winning one big battle and getting pictures taken of them and now everybody assumes every single indian ever was a nomad who followed the buffalo and lived in teepees since the dawn of time
>>18221492Thanks for the recs Cool stuff
>>18221544NTAdidn't readseems legitdude probably knows more than I do about those weirdos
>>18223391the Desoto expedition story is quite somethingthat man was fucking cunt of highest calibre
where did the idea that native americans were just peaceful hippies that did nothing wrong come from? If anything they're more like fantasy orcs
>>18224232>idea that native americans were just peaceful hippiesits mostly strawman created by deranged rightoids
>>18223391Then why is our image of them as people riding horses hunting buffalo in the plains>>18221777you have aura bro
>>18225250Because, as >>18223417 implied, the indians who had that particular lifestyle were the last ones to be conquered, both politically and culturally, all the way up in the second half of the 19th century, i.e less than 200 years ago. They won a couple battles against fully unified post-civil war americans, got photographs and even some early videos taken of them in full tribal regalia, and after their defeat their leaders got paraded around the country as bizarre curiosities for millions of on-lookers to see, all of this in an already partially globalized world. It obviously made quite the impression and turned them into the "quintessential" Indians, despite the fact they were only one complex of cultures among many in a pretty massive continent. War bonnets and teepees are also things exclusive to plains indians which are now considered emblematic of every native american everywhere in the Americas.It's also worth noting that the not even the plains indians themselves actually had that particular lifestyle in pre-columbian times, after all, horses were brought there by Europeans. The plains indian that existed in the 19th century and now dominates the image of native americans basically only started existing in the 17th century. Before europeans arrived, the plains were inhabited by many hunter-gatherer cultures but also by many settled agricultural societies (there were still some in historical times as well but those aren't as famous as their nomad cousins), with some settlements, like Etzanoa, which belonged to the people later known as the Wichita, being large enough to be considered towns.
>>18220364i mean the tribe in the midwest, Camach (sic?) were bad, and the ones in mexico like the azteks were no peache. Savage people in an evil land tho for sure
>>18220807>murders and enslaves everyone they come in contact withNOOOO THE WHITE MAN CAN'T FIGHT BACK NOOOO
>>18224176>on the verge of death, battered sick and starving>suddenly rescued by a wise, beautiful native queen, she forgives his transgressions, gives him food, shelter, medicine, even brings him riches from distant lands as a show of friendship, whole experience is straight out of a fairy tale>the second he's recovered he immediately kidnaps her for ransom and goes back to raping and pillagingDe Soto may actually be the worst conquistador leader and that's really saying something, absolutely unreal how much of a bastard he was even when it actively screwed everyone over, its like god put him on earth specifically to cause suffering
>>18224232>where did the idea that native americans were just peaceful hippies that did nothing wrong come from?Hippie myths in the 1960s and 70s, but no one has believed this for nearly two decades now, and thats a generously low number
>>18224232eh, it does rounds in academia, nobody really thinks that(well maybe outside some delusional women) but its politically correct and its much easier to get grants and funds if you pretend that its was real outside that you have people who use this as justification to shit both at all new discoveries and old sources that do not fit their XIX century ''white'' supremacy version of history
>>18220380They also exterminated the St Lawrence Iroquoians that originally lived in Quebec between the time that Jacques Cartier explored the region and when the first colonist showed up and now claim it as their ancestral land lmao
>>18224232>>18226155Nah Europeans were always fascinated by Red Indians because they looked kind of similar, had well structured societies and were seen as dignified pagans worthy of bringing into Christendom, unlike Muslim Arabs or Africans or devious Chinamen. They have always been seen to have a mixture of primitivistic traditionalism, social cohesion and moral dignity.
>>18226938You have to have next level historical illiteracy to believe that Europeans weren't fascinated by Muslims and the Chinese
>>18220380>>18226918>Lol they fought each other>that means they deserve to be replaced by foriegnersBased justification for White replacement
