Any hint of religious "reform" is still seen by Muslims to be the ultimate treachery. Being a reformer is worse than being a pedophile, worse than being a child murderer, worse than being a serial killer. There is no coming back from the accusation of being a "modernist reformer" if Muslims even get a hint of that being the path you are on. Your reputation goes immediately into the gutter and you are considered the most lowly person who deserves nothing but contempt. Many will view you as an outright apostate for even hinting at reform. This is also why so many Muslims attack the UAE and Saudi Arabia in particular for opening up their countries to westerners, allowing alcohol, allowing casinos. This is seen as the ultimate betrayal and Muslims will keep pummelling you and beating up on you if they sense that your motivations are to do with "changing Islamic laws" or changing the religion in any way.
>>18222192I didn't know Stalin was a devout Muslim.
>cult hates unorthodoxygee wiz
>>18222192I mean yeah. Most jews also don't acknowledge reformist sects as legitimate. Only Christians humiliate themselves by respecting clearly subversive institutions.
>>18222274But you have Jews that are full on secularists even atheistic Jews and these are still considered to be Talmudic Kikes by /pol/, for instance Greg Lansky is not a practising Jew and he incorporates clearly forbidden matters into his Jewish identity. Not only that, someone like Lansky or Spielberg would openly say that key aspects of traditional Judaism are outdated and /or not relevant in the modern world. This is simply unacceptable to Muslims. Any Muslims saying that the Hadith or Quran is "outdated" or "not relevant" would immediately be piled on and labelled as kaffir. This is why Muslims openly make takfir upon someone like Mohammed Bin Salman or the King of Morocco even though these men have never once explicitly stated with their own mouth that Islamic law is "outdated" or that they don't believe in ultra-orthodox Islam, yet they are deemed to be out of Islam purely on the way they govern their countries.The King of Jordan for example could be praying 5x a day, fasting, hajj and doing the basics but this is not enough to keep him within Islam once Muslims get a sniff of secularism or reformism they immediately deem that individual to be at the point of no return. Same with Sisi as well.
>>18222192Okay? What's the point of your post?
>>18222192Why did your religion peak intellectually in the Middle Ages?
>>18222192Perhaps if more muslims started to critically view the hadith about 73 sects of islam, then maybe we would be at least a bit lenient about the rampant witch-hunting attitude and xenophobia that are occurrent within the ummah, thanks to that *very* specific anti-reformist reformers.Like, imagine getting your balls clutched up over simple cultural customs that other muslims practice while cladding yourself with arabic attributes and norms, that pagan arabs also follow.Imagine being opposed towards "non-islamic" knowledge and intellectualism, when the golden age of islam during the era of caliphate were shaped by the collaboration of ancient wisdoms of the greeks, romans, iranians, and indians, yet they still had the gall of attributing the achievements of that time to the "universal" term of islamic community which as far as they concerned it actually means the arabs themselves, the desert dwelling nomadic arabs.They could've at least be a bit more humble, yet they think that they're above the human folly of pride just because they're a muslim.Then again, this long winded rant might be ultimately in vain, that i'm probably screaming at people that no longer exists and if they still do, they are already gone to irrelevance as everyone moved on from this stain of sectarian conflict.
>>18222538Less prejudice basically, which might sounds weird to you but someone on quora could probably explain it to you in detail.
>>18222192The only way you can reform Islam is through top-down autocratic Kemalist-style secularisation
That's simply not trueThere have been massively both successful and popular reforms this past century
>>18222192Then why do most saudi muslims support MBS?
