>Jesus was historical even though the primary sources were written 100+ years later
>>18223257Enjoy Hell. You fully deserve it.
>>18223259So do you, you just think you'll get unfair access to heaven anyway because you mentally assent to the proposition "Yeshua bar Yosef is one person of the triune God of Abraham, and he let himself get crucified by Roman authorities because otherwise he couldn't let me into heaven while maintaining all his essential attributes".
>>18223267Those flames just got hotter. Keep going!
>>18223272I will, I am flamemaxxing.
>>18223259You just responded to a post roleplaying as a defender of the historical Jesus and you told him to go to hell. Apparently you believe people who advocate a historical Jesus are going to hell.
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>>18223286OP's guy is a Mormon, they're both bound for hell already
>>18223257I used to be one of those assholes that claimed Jesus never existed but Dan actually brings up some compelling arguments for Jesus' historicity, just one example being the fact that we also had no primary evidence for the existence of Pontius Pilate until the 1960s, it made me realize a lot of real historical discourse isn't even always made from primary sources as primary sources themselves aren't even always reliable anyways but rather inferred through debate and from secondary sources. It made me realize that dismissing the idea of Jesus as a real historical figure just on the basis that he had no contemporary sources is actually a very juvenile way of approaching history given the context.
>>18223855Obviously. I think if we actually saw primary sources about Jesus we would be horrified. I think the New Testament is a hilariously wrong misinterpretation of who he was. If he really was what texts like Matthew make him out to be he was an insane apocalyptic Jew. The kind of freakish genetic abominations you'd see in Beersheba or the West Bank today. Especially the fact that he came from the boonies too. He had good ideas, but they were always derivative of texts written by the more enlightened priestly caste. The same ones that killed him if that means anything.
>>18223257>primary sources were written 100+ years laterNot a bad gap by ancient history standards.
>>18223257>the primary sources were written 100+ years laterThe primary sources were the first Gospels, written at latest 40 years after his death.>non-Christian sourcesAnd even then that’s incorrect. Flavius Josephus writes about Jesus twice in the Jewish Antiquities in AD 93, 60 years after his death. Even if you consider the Testimonium Flavianum (the longer attestation of Jesus) as being interpolated, he is still unambiguously mentioned as “Jesus Christ” in passing as the brother of the executed Jew James.>Festus was now dead, and Albinus was but upon the road; so he assembled the sanhedrin of judges, and brought before them the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James, and some others; and when he had formed an accusation against them as breakers of the law, he delivered them to be stoned.Jewish Antiquities XX 9:1>pagan sourcesAnd that’s still incorrect. The writings of the pagan Stoic philosopher Mara bar Serapion make reference to Jesus as the Jews’ “wise king” about AD 73, 40 years after Jesus’ death.>What else can we say, when the wise are forcibly dragged off by tyrants, their wisdom is captured by insults, and their minds are oppressed and without defense? What advantage did the Athenians gain from murdering Socrates? Famine and plague came upon them as a punishment for their crime. What advantage did the men of Samos gain from burning Pythagoras? In a moment their land was covered with sand. What advantage did the Jews gain from executing their wise king? It was just after that their kingdom was abolished. God justly avenged these three wise men: the Athenians died of hunger; the Samians were overwhelmed by the sea and the Jews, desolate and driven from their own kingdom, live in complete dispersion. But Socrates is not dead, because of Plato; neither is Pythagoras, because of the statue of Juno; nor is the wise king, because of the "new law" he laid down.Letter of Mara bar Serapion
