>Simultaneously mindbreaks Christians for being too critical and mythicists for affirming the existence of a historical JesusYeah, I’m thinking based.
>>18223765>the greatest enemy of evangelical christianity is some milquetoast guy who peddles the most cautious and uncontroversial academic consensus takesWhy does this happen in every single field lmao.
>>18223820Consensus means fuck all when the entire field revolves around advancing extremely speculative theses to sell books.>Yup, all the letters from the Apostles except for Saint Paul are fake. The Gospels are much later and doctored. Now let me tell you how I know none of the Disciples thought Jesus was God despite having read absolutely nothing from them!The fact that people slurp this up based on appeals to authority and consensus shows how fucked our culture is. Also, academia is fucked because an honest "we cannot know, but speculation is fun so buy out books," gets replaced with endless bad faith appeals to a "consensus" that is only constructed by selectively deciding whose voice counts and even then oscillates around wildly with fads despite no change in the underlying evidence.Here is a wild though, most people who study the Bible are priests. Real consensus, if you don't selectively exclude people based on them being religious, or the wrong denomination, etc. is "Peter was the first Pope," simply because there are more Catholics. But of course, "consensus" means "people who study the Bible and agree with me on methodology and core claims," which makes it fucking meaningless.
>>18223765biased*
>>18223765he looks suspiciously jewish>>18223842methodology means basically nothing when most of its just based on currently shifting paradigmatic points of entry that shift depending on culture, advancing physical evidence and the fact history keeps on going which makes access to the past harder than before. It seems the more knowledge is acquired, the more that gets lost. plus lets not even try to grasp the inner mental faculties of the supposed disciples of Christ which no one can know for certain, between what they wrote down and what they actually believed. Speculation is entertaining but at the end of the day its just speculation. and who knows if we're really even supposed to know this stuff and it was kept hidden for a reason.
>>18223842>>18224400Jewish fairytales aren't real. You have to be a moron to think otherwise. Bart is 100% correct.
>>18224408>jews, jews, jews, jews!give it a rest, Kyle.
>>18224474>he looks suspiciously jewishand then>>jews, jews, jews, jews!the christian cries ad hominem as he ad hominems youbesides, he wasn't calling you a jew, just critizing jewish religions
>>18223820I believe you mean (((academic consensus))). Frankly, I think these professors have taken Romans 1:22 a bit too literally.
>>18223842>Now let me tell you how I know none of the Disciples thought Jesus was Godthis is the most baffling one to me. They literally fall down and worship him on the boat after he controls the weather and calms the storm. Why'd they do that if they thought he was just a guy?
>>18224530Why did other gospels such as the ebionite's directly contradict that if it actually happened?
>>18224486>talks about ad hominem>"but its ok when I do it"
>>18224486Its not even about that a lot of people on this board are just obsessed. Like who cares if someone follows a Jewish religion? Does it really affect you personally?
>>18224539>the ebionite'sbecause they were a singular heretical sect? Also what gospels do we even have from the ebionites anyway? what are you referencing here?
>>18224656>singular heretical sectThat's certainly one way to find the truth, declare all contradictory early accounts "heretical" and dismiss them immediately. Don't worry though, that's fine because christians formed a "consensus" around which accounts are trustworthy or not, right?>Also what gospels do we even have from the ebionites anywayFragments from their gospel, which are quoted, as well as summaries of their beliefs and practices from the church fathers>what are you referencing here?The panarion from epiphanius with further information from iraeneus. This is all well known
>>18224690>That's certainly one way to find the truth, declare all contradictory early accounts "heretical" and dismiss them immediately. Don't worry though, that's fine because christians formed a "consensus" around which accounts are trustworthy or not, right?the official canon of early Christianity and what was considered heretical or not was agreed upon after literally hundreds of years of rigorous constant debate and interrogation of the scriptures and doctrines, it wasn't random or cynically thrown together at the last moment for arbitrary purposes.You just want to latch onto some niche non-canoncial version as 'le secret suppressed truth' to feel more superior and special and like you have some elite insider knowledge; you are just a Christianity hipster.The ebionites and their heresy were dismissed for good reason; because it doesn't follow from the overall gospels and blatantly contradicts them.
>>18223842Hit the nail on the head
What is the best argument these people make for their argument of The Bible not being a miracle from God? To me the evidence is quite overwhelming:truthischrist.com/seven/ (I would say this is the most overwhelming proof, because this would be impossible to do even intentionally, and it cannot be chance obviously)fcbaptist.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Bible-proof.pdf (The prophecies coming true and being proven right by science thousands of years later is also big)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCsPy4CY6hIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ919YomJjMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcvFX5uIRb4youtube.com/watch?v=yS78mFJcvhQThere are no contradictions in the Bible, even google ai has to admit it because atheists have to grasp at straws to try to make a point, but this document also clears a lot of them up for example: https://nashpublications.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/King_James_Bible/Answers-to-70-Apparent-Discrepencies-in-the-KJB.pdf -"The Bible is unlike all other ‘sacred books’ in that it bases its ‘authenticity’ and ‘authority’ on prophecy. All other ‘sacred books’ contain no predictions as to the future. If their authors had attempted to foretell future events, their non-fulfillment would discredit their writings and they would be classed as liars and fraudsters. Fulfilled prophecy is stronger evidence for the inspiration and ‘authenticity’ of the Scriptures than miracles. Prophecy is not a ‘haphazard guess,’ nor a ‘probability’ made up on uncertain data, prophecy is history written in advance. Two-thirds of the Scriptures are prophetic, either in type, symbol, or direct statement; and more than one-half of the OT prophecies, and nearly all of the NT, points to events that are future. It was because the religious leaders of Christ’s day were not students of the prophetic Scriptures that they failed to recognize Him when He came."from: https://download.timefortruth.co.uk/docs/Christian_Soldiers_Battle_Notes.pdf-
>>18224400>He looks suspiciously JewishHe was literally raised evangelical
>>18224806what the church consider canon or heretical is irrelevant when compare with archaeological data and writings from the period and don't reflect the reality of how the gospel where created nor how christianity formed
>>18223765saar
