>is against worshipping gods besides him>doesn't make a law of physics that makes this impossible, even though he apparently can make said laws>humans must choose, even though said choice is completely pointless, makes zero sense at all and involves something that doesn't need to exist to begin withWhy?
Abrahamic religion is nonsensical and only gets more convoluted with each "successor" religion
The one who pushed for monotheism does not look like that at all. See pic related.
>>18224638>said choice is completely pointlessHuh? How did you conclude that?The point of something being your choice is that it's your action. If you were compelled, you'd be a mere marionette.>But doesn't having to obey laws make me a marionetteNot if you have a choice.>But I don't like the choice.You don't have to like it.
>>18225302Atenism wasn't a push for monotheism so much as it is just one of many examples of the natural development of religion itselfMost religion starts out as Polytheist before becoming Monolatrist, then Henotheist, and finally Monotheist. The same phenomenon was happening within Greco-Roman religion, where we started seeing them transition to Monolatry and Henotheism with Jupiter/Zeus becoming more central shortly before they Christianized. Judaism itself is also an example of this phenomenon happening, ancient Judean religion was polytheistic and Yahweh was just a God of weather and war
>>18225316>shortly before they ChristianizedSo basically not disproving me, in fact it was a slippery slope.
>>18224638You're an autistic psychopath. Enjoy the Hell you so richly deserve.
>>18224638Its ok if you dont understand God's wisdom. The folly is in trying to. "Vanity vanity" and all that jazz.
>>18225302Jealous of Nefertiti. If I had Akenaten to myself I'd be railing thst curvy twink six ways to Sunday.
>>18225310>How did you conclude that?"O Lord, you have searched me and known me! You know when I sit down and when I rise up; you discern my thoughts from afar." - Psalm 139:1-4Or are there things that God doesn't know about?
>>18226828Probably not. Luckily, me playing an active part in my fate desn't seem to have much to do with God trying to learn things.
>>18226833That's probably because you're not playing any active part to begin with, if it's a predetermined fate.But anyway, God knows about all your choice in advance, and therefore has no need for any choice between monotheism and polytheism, since he already has that knowledge, so can you than please explain why anyone would make a universe with a certain feature, fill at least three books with complaints about said feature, without ever getting rid of this feature, which he apparently not only can, but he also won't miss, since we've established beyond any reasonable doubt that it's 100% useless, as we've just observed in one of the Psalms?
>>18226836Yes I do. Activity isn't predicate on not being known.>[God] has no need for any choice Wait when OP says that the choice is "pointless" it refers to God not needing it? The God who needs nothing to begin with? That's a bummer.
>>18226840Nice quotemine, I can definitely see that I'm talking to a monotheist
>>18226851Didn't know you can quotemine a whole post.
>>18226854Holy shit, what a fucking lawyery rat you are. The full quote was>But anyway, God knows about all your choice in advance, and therefore has no need for any choice between monotheism and polytheismWhich you turned into>>[God] has no need for any choiceAnd then you shifted the topic from omniscience to choices and needs. And Christians hate the Jews for being shifty? Because this is basically me talking about omniscience, and then you going "OY VEY GOYIM, WHO SAYS G-D HAS ANY NEED FOR CHOISIZ?".
>>18226865God has no need for any choice. I skipped the details in my greentext because they don't matter - God has no need in general. It's a given.>you shifted the topic from omniscience to choices and needsNot really. My original question was about pointlessness. You explain that the choice is pointless because God does not needing to see it. And you explain God not needing to see it it due to omniscience. It's the last piece of a completely obsolete puzzle because, again God has no need in general. Take it easy, Anon. It's Friday.
>>18226867>again God has no need in general.Including our obedience to him?
>>18227062Yes. It benefits him nothing.
>>18224638Atheist to atheist. I think the argument would be stronger if instead of forbidding the worship of other gods the estipulation was that everyone was born with inherent knowledge of God. It negates all the free-will objections and pseudo-psychology by making the choice actually meaningful.Leaving aside the absurdity of Abrahamic cosmology aside.
1. God allows certain things of which He does not approve. "Thou shalt not steal," but it goes on all the time (Luke 17:1). "Thou shalt not bear false witness," but it goes on all the time (2 Tim. 3:3)2. In many cases God allows powers and authorities to control people and countries although He does not approve of them. Saul and Caesar in the Bible; Nero and Hitler outside the Bible.3. Because He permits them, or allows them to have power or authority, does not mean that God has chosen them of His own directive will, nor is it any indication that God will bless them or even convert them. (See Jer. 51:20-25 for the judgment that God brings on a nation whom He has previously allowed to destroy another nation.)This "delegated" authority is the bone of contention. The intellectual, trying to feel his way around in the haze of Jesuit casuistry or Thomistic sophistry, will revert immediately to "Oh yeah? Well if God is all-powerful and could have stopped it, then why did He let sin enter the world, huh? If he knew there was going to be a devil, why didn't He...?" But the answer is so simple that no Jesuit or Dominican or Franciscan or Knight of Columbus could ever hope to find it. Plato never found it. Aristotle never found it. Job found it; the book of Job deals with the subject in full force. It tackles that ancient problem: "If God could have stopped it, why didn't He?" Job has the answer, and in the book of Job we see the highest created being in the universe, outside of the Lord Jesus, in full operation exercising his permissive power and delegated authority to ruin an upright man.4. If God will allow a power to control things when this power is evil and malicious, then why would the passage in 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12 cause any wonderment at all? The passage merely states that God gives what a man demands and asks for. If he wants a lie, he gets it. If he will not take light (John 11:10), then light becomes lightning (Matt. 24:27). (1...)
>>18227119If he will not accept the truth of God, then he is exposed to a power that God has permitted to exist for the purpose of putting across a lie (John 8:44). Nothing could be plainer. The executioner is appointed (Rom. 13:1-5); he is "the minister of God," a revenger to execute wrath, etc. You don't believe it? How could you read a morning newspaper and not believe it?Why do you sit there and drivel, "God is love," when all around you on every hand you have visible examples which prove "Our God is a consuming fire" (Heb. 12:29)? Here is a dead baby in a garbage can; the mother didn't want it. Why is it there? You say. "Well, if the mother had the proper training she...." But hold the phone; there is the baby. You say, "Well, things like that happen, and we don't understand them, but we just must have faith to believe that...." Wait a minute-There the baby is. "But accidents happen, and we must not lose our faith in man simply because one or two.... Stop your foolishness! It is not ONE OR TWO. Here are broken homes, broken hearts, broken lives, broken bones, broken nations, death, poverty, disease, starvation, killing, shelling, and bombing, as usual, with no letup whatsoever. You say, "The trouble is that we need to get together, and we are working on it, but you 'prophets of gloom' have lost your faith in mankind, and you oppose our work so that...." Are you dead sure the cause of the trouble is not that you have lost your faith in the word of God and, upon rejecting His truth, have believed a lie in order that you might be damned (2 Thess. 2:10-12)? Are you absolutely certain? Then until you are, go easy in saying that God does not permit Satanic forces to rule, lead. guide, and direct men where they desire to overlook God's word.The word reveals the operation of Satan in the moral realm.
>>18227124Job discloses that this operation is the direct cause of disease, loss of property, war, and death (Heb. 2:14). Once this revelation is rejected, there is no solution to the problems of life except to unite in one huge political-religious organization under the slogan, "United we stand, divided we fall"; and as the slogan is hoisted, throw the Bible out the window. For as it stands, the Bible clearly condemns the united movement (Gen. 11:1-9; Rev. 17-18), which is the coming substitute for believing the word of God.Man, then, fails to properly analyze the source and cause of his miseries. Unwilling to accept the revelation given by God, which deals with operations and methods in the moral realm (which lead to results in the physical realm), men have abandoned all hope of an absolute moral authority in line with the Bible. Their only hope now is to turn to an authority that denies or perverts the Bible and get their standards from this authority. Desiring this, according to His word (2 Thess. 2), God is about to grant them their desire (Jer. 21:14). The people cried, "Give us Saul." God answers, "I'd rather have you wait until my selection, David, but if you insist...." They insisted. They got what they asked for a king like unto the nations about them (1 Sam. 8:5, 7, 20, 22). The people cried, "Give us Caesar!" God answered, "My Son is your king, but if you insist...." They insisted (Matt. 27:23). They got what they asked for-ROMAN DOMINATION. The unregenerate seeker of truth cries, "Give me the truth." God says, "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him" (Matt. 17:5). The "seeker" shouts, "Yeah, but what about all these other religions?
>>18227129Do you mean to tell me that you think that you're the only one that is right, and the rest are wrong?" God says softly, "Yea, let God be true, but EVERY MAN a liar" (Rom. 3:3-4). To which the "seeker" replies, "Well, I think there is truth in EVERY religion, and I resent you preaching against other folk's religion; and brother, if that's Christianity, you can have it!" And the Lord replies, "All right, if you insist, I'll send you somebody that will talk differently than my Son, and you can believe on him!" (John 5:43). And here he comes! (2 Thess. 2:1-12). Enter "the Antichrist," the people's choice by popular vote!From: Mark of the Beast by Ruckman, Peter Shttps://archive.org/details/markofbeast00ruck/page/58/mode/2up---Proof that the Bible is the Word of God:fcbaptist.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Bible-proof.pdftruthischrist.com/seven/1 Cor 15:3-4: “For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:” How to know you're saved youtube.com/watch?v=_VRT2FFXntcJesus Christ is God who has come in the flesh from heaven. He died as a sinless sacrifice for the sins of the whole world to save you from eternal hell, the punishment for your sin. He was buried, then resurrected and then ascended to heaven. John 3:16: “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”Salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, in His finished blood atonement. The gift of salvation can't be earned. Confess The Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in prayer, that you trust in Him and believe He atoned for your sins on the cross.Eph. 2:8-9: “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.”
