So, is it finally time to admit that his Rivers of Blood speech has been 100% vindicated?
>>18234529Qrd?
>>18234783Chud supreme said liberal society would lead to violence, civil unrest, and White genocide, he was right.
He was so intelligent that he struggled to make normal people understand his meanings and intents.
>>18234804violence went down opposed to the 90s, white genocide isnt real as neither is the white racekeep coping chud
>>18235009Most people got the gist of what he was saying and agreed. The reason he failed politically is that by the 1960s the Tories had thoroughly become a party of pederasts and Powell wasn't invited while Heath (who defeated him not by popularity with voters but by popularity with party officials) was. When all the big decisions in your political party are made at a dodgy children's home and you're not there with your hand up the leg of a 10-year-old boy, you're going to be left out.
>>18235036How many kids were stabbed in the 90s?
>>18235009Not really in fact he was extremely popular with the working classes, there was even a strike by the dockers when he was removed from his shadow cabinet position, perhaps the first time in history dockers cared enough to strike over something that happened in the shadow cabinet
>>18235009>all polls say public agreed with him
No, because he underestimated the power of the race relations industry and race relations legislation in cowing/pacifying the British public. The government passed the Race Relations act, effectively making NF propaganda illegal. Once Thatcher made it so you really couldn't have random foreigners coming in anymore, the issue was considered settled and people just got on with it. It wasn't until Blair reopened the floodgates that people got annoyed again, and by then the media was crammed full of educated propagandists stuffing pro-integration, pro-multiculturalism messages into every and any programme they could. It is insane how pussified people are on this subject in Britain. 99% of people you meet will get awkward as fuck if you bring up anti-immigrant points but at the same time all polling shows they want less of them. It's like schoolboys who have had a really harsh telling-off and are scared of it happening again
>>18234529I was listening to the And The Rest Is History podcast on this, and they say "the thing about it is that it didn't happen" and then like that day some muslim went on a stabbing spree or something.
>>18235761I remember 10 years ago this was in the public discourse again as "fear mongering" to make anti immigrant people seem like wackos, but now no one seems to even bring it up. I dont think even leftist can say he was wrong at this point. Whats even weirder is that it seems even the new batch of zoomer online right people dont even know who Enoch was.
>>18235761>millionaire from a tiny village in Wiltshire and another, fatter millionaire from a market town in Shropshire are naive to and shielded from the realities of the racial policies they scream for. Shocking!
>>18235307Violent crime before the 00s was white lads having a fist fight outside a pub, and maybe the odd bit of mob shit and armed robbery. Not 50 odd 'gangsta' stabbings in London in the space of less than a year, as there was in one recent year.
>>18235761They have to cope, in the same way the Soviets did when their materialistic ideology failed to deliver. They think that because UK hasn't descended into Syria that means his warnings were invalid. But its clear that social harmony is falling apart. Just as the Soviets failed to reform amid this mentality, such a situation may come from the West failing at assimilation, being forced to juggle with different parallel societies amid increasingly dysfunctional democracies.
>>18234529Obviously he was right, but as a tory you're not allowed to say things that will make you more popular than senior ministers and the leader of the opposition when you're only (shadow) defence minister
>>18236924Violent crime in the UK peaked in the 1990s.
>>18234529Yes, there was indeed “rivers of blood” and they flowed freely during Powell’s own time. >Battle of Saltley Gate 1972>Bloody Sunday 1972>Grunwick Dispute 1976–1978>Battle of Orgreave 1984Enoch Powell was absolutely fine with rivers of blood. He believed that state use of force was entirely legitimate. He was a hardcore free-market monetarist before Maggie ever came on the scene. The only reason chuds like him is he’s associated with racist sentiments from the 70’s. He didn’t value ethnos in any way, he was only interested in the order of the state
>>18235009Like 70% of brits said they agreed with the speech in a poll done right after it was aired
>>18235291Enoch's career had been in full swing. He wasn't "left out", he saw himself out by abandoning the principle of collective responsibility. He publicly went against Tory (and Labour) policy that there should be cross party consensus on immigration. That is, don't go on about it too much to prevent it from becoming a major political issue like it had in the early 60s. Both parties saw it has "toxic" and damaging in the context of the cold war and efforts to integrate the more recent migrants.
>>18237811>He believed that state use of force was entirely legitimate. He was a hardcore free-market monetarist before Maggie ever came on the scene.Based
>>18237325True but that was when poor meant actually poor. Blair came along and threw money at those people, basically saying look, here's thousands of pounds a year. Can you stop being shit please? And it worked to some extent. We have a massive population of people who have to be paid off not to cause trouble
>>18235761>some muslim went on a stabbing spree or somethingknife attacks weren't rare back then too.>>18236984>They think that because UK hasn't descended into Syria that means his warnings were invalid. Imagine reducing Enoch Powell to some mere anti-immigration chud. Fucking retard.
>>18235357>>18237853Public polls are BS.>>18237919>True but that was when poor meant actually poorpoor still means the same thing now. More so since inequality has increased even more and infrastructure and services have been further gutted and privatized into shit.
>>18234529>Powell recounted a conversation with one of his constituents, a middle-aged working man, a few weeks earlier. Powell said that the man told him: "If I had the money to go, I wouldn't stay in this country... I have three children, all of them been through grammar school and two of them married now, with family. I shan't be satisfied till I have seen them all settled overseas." The man finished by saying to Powell: "In this country in 15 or 20 years' time the black man will have the whip hand over the white man".lmao.
>>18238852Post how many mass stabbings took place in the UK in 1968.
>>18238858that didn't happen though? guess he was wrong after all lmao
>>18239044>he says, litterally as the British government's definition of "islamophobia" is about to become law in such a way that grooming gang survivors coldly and calmly reciting what was done to them and by who in a court of law will make they liable for prosecution.
>>18239054the guy was talking about blacks not muslims my illiterate friend
>>18239089>umm actually that's invalid because we're having a DIFFERENT GROUP of foreigners subjugate us, stupid chud
>>18239089And that makes the British feel better how?
>>18238854Poor doesn't mean the same thing now because you get significantly more in benefits than you did then even after taking into cuts made due to austerity and the switch to universal credit
>>18239089>No, see, actually it's the BROWN man who has the whip hand! Bet ya feel real dumb now dontcha, CHUD!?
>>18236984>They think that because UK hasn't descended into SyriaThe main cause of Lebanon's (which is right next to Syria) collapse into civil war was uncontrolled entry of Palestinian refugees after the establishment of Israel
>>18239089Pakis got called called black cunts too.
There is literally no reason the UK shouldnt be 100% White.
>>18239054Vast majority of the underage exploitation and trafficking is done by local Britons. Either that or servicing British clientele.
>>18240320but who will clean the toilets and cook ethnic food?!!?
>>18240320The UK had people from outside the Isles for ages.
>>18239089This is a massive cope and you know it
>>18240345>Vast majority of the underage exploitation and trafficking is done by local Britons. Either that or servicing British clientele.
>>18240345Is it perpetrated by ´British Citizens´ or the Brits themselves? Or is that not a worthy distinction to make?
>>18240345Per capita
>>18234529yes
>>18239089Semantics is the peak midwit argument. Imagine argueing semantics like some kike lmfao
>>18235036>what do you mean we hate white people and want them dead?>white people aren't even realFucking insane that people ate this shit up in the 2010s.
>>18240320That would require ethnic cleansing and at this point would probably collapse society because they need nurses and nursing home staff
>>18240958Should've had more kids then
>>18240958>no, see, actually, we need more BAMES to take care of the BAMES in the nursing homes!
>>18237811Correct answer
>>18240964>>18240959It's what the data says. It's an aging country and they have a bit of a shortage of certain workers.
>>18234529he love kids so idc
>>18240968Muh worker shortage muh skilled labour shortage, nobody believes the doctors and engineers crap anymore, shave the population pyramid from the top and you can get by with no immigrants
>>18240958Proportionally less nurses from foreigners so no plus foreigners use more healthcare than natives
>>182345291000%
>>18240968>we need the BAMES (and their entire extended family) to wipe the arses of the other BAMES!!!! There's no possible other way of solving this problem!
>>18241020>what's that? reinstate the funding for British people to train to become nurses instead of just poaching them from the third world? Nah!
>>18240958>that would require ethnic cleansingWould it? remove their benefits, theyll leave on their own.This worked in other countries.There's only a few million of them in the UK.Pakistan and Iran both removed millions from their countries within a few months, there was no ethnic cleansing there.The USSR moved vast numbers of people, populations double the size of the aliens in the UK and those werent ethnic cleansings.You're anti-White and you want Whites to be mutts because you are a poisoned blood spiteful mutant.or just enslave them, they will leave on their own or be slaves.>NO ONE WOULD DO THATI would, my friends would, over half of the people I met in the UK would.
>>18241066That's the thing though. We're ruled by people for whom that kind of policy is unthinkable, "illiberal", "un-British". Meanwhile the actual normal people would be partying in the street if these people cleared off
>>1824095820% of the workforce is foreign born. Not foreign, foreign born. They can be got rid of, pay them to leave, boot them out whenever the chance is there. But it would have to be gradual. And the remaining white British would have to accept a period of economic hardship, inflation, and even more spending cuts.
>>18241253Ah yes, because when supply of employees is reduced, but demand for labour remain, wages go down and the workers suffer, right?
>>18241253A shrinking labor force typically means higher wages and better worker conditions. The Black Death arguably kickstarted the decline of feudalism.
>>18241277>>18241319When overall economic performance declines, the value of the pound declines too. We're an island, we import, so a lot of things become more expensive. And as businesses close due to lack of workers, you'll have cash chasing fewer goods and services, also driving inflation. I think you're right that demand for labour will increase which will to some extent balance things out. But not all workers are interchangeable. Our native people have been deskilled and are mostly in service sector jobs. I don't think the economic outlook would be very bright at all, realistically. That said I don't think it matters too much. Economic performance doesn't matter if you don't have a country in the first place
>>18241370>But not all workers are interchangeableOh you got that right, white Brits will do a much better job.
>>18241370Neoliberal nonsense
>>18241370So companies will have to eat the cost of retraining employees and goods will have last longer and be more easily repaired. Why is this bad?
>>18241319Except in Eastern Europe where it strengthened it
>>18241386Because GDP, which is very important because the government said so, will go down
>>18241066>The USSR moved vast numbers of people, populations double the size of the aliens in the UK and those werent ethnic cleansings.Uhhhh...
>>18241397Not necessarily, a decrease in the volume of consumption will just mean that sector has to produce higher value, ie superior quality consumer goods. Competition over labor will drive an increase in wages, which can offset declines in consumption and cause companies to do more to improve productivity per work hour, meaning innovation and upskilling. Companies will just have to adapt.
>>18241439So will the people, to a smaller economy with a significantly weaker currency. Gone will be the days of cheapish imported food in the supermarket, cheap imported tech and so on. And the government will have to adapt to having a lower tax draw, so less services (even less than now).
>>18241594All i'm hearing is good things. Urbanites deserve to suffer the consequences of their actions and the welfare state has been a disaster for the european race
>>18241594>Gone will be the days of cheapish imported food in the supermarket, cheap imported tech and so onGod I can't wait.
>>18241241>>18241398>>18240958Every Brit was removed from India peacefully.Why couldnt the reverse occur?The numbers are relative to technology and time, theres no reason England couldnt just remove all the muds.There are more muslims in the UK than Welsh.There is no reason Britain shouldnt be 100% British.
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>>18242028Most of the Brits in India were soldiers who longed to return home. Little bit different.
>>18242346nope. Most were bureacratic civil servants who were born there and who's families had lived there for generations.FYI, the soldiers didnt want to return home either, most of them had settled in India and been descended from families who had been in India for generations.Nice cope though.
>>18242573The bureaucrats were a fraction of those leaving. Most were soldiers who did not want to stay. They wanted to be back home with their families. Some had roots like you say but that wasn't typical. By all means warp history to fit your story if that makes you feel better though.
>>18238854Socialist retard.
Rivers of Chud
>>18242573>FYI, the soldiers didnt want to return home eitherBritish soldiers in India were on the verge of mutiny because they felt they weren't being demobbed fast enough after WW2 ended
>>18234529Literally trying to brainwash you to consolidate power. You are so fucking stupid.
>>18243727>you're being heckin brainwashed if you don't like your country being flooded by third world browns replacing you and destroying your culture!>I heckin love our self hating whyight beurocrat overlords and the neomarxists that are conveniently on the same sideDilate
>>18241695I wouldn't mind personally but that's a tough sell, isn't it?
>>18234529How has it been vindicated? British mulsims largely just participate in society but don't eat bacon. The leader of Reform is a Pakistani.The only reason it will be "vindicated" it because right wingers are psychotics in sense that they naively take ruling class propaganda 100% seriously when they're not meant to. And then they do actually go out and start beating up random Muslim business owners and create an actual crises.
>>18243937Because it's awkward to say "working class people are thick" you have to say it's just that they're manipulated by the ruling class. But on immigration there's lots of statistical evidence showing how normal people instinctively, reflexively, quite naturally regret mass immigration. The first race trouble in our country occured in the late 50s without any media campaign. And it was solved by the government saying, well, the people don't like it so let's stop it. Crazy by today's standards, isn't it? Imagine responding to what people want like that
>>18243937Opening bajillion money laundering barbershops doesn't count as participating in society, every country that publishes data on confirms that non-european migrants are a net drain on the economy, yookay or germany or france would be wealthier if they didn't accept a single turk or paki or nafri or whatever
>>18235036>Whites are evil!>Whites don't exist!Which is it, tranny?
>>18243950But the British system isn't actually democratic. Democracy is random sortition, what we have is aristocracy. You're basically blaming me for not having complete power over the electoral system. >>18243958Continue to support the scapegoating of other citizens because they're not "the real citizens" if you want, I can tell you right now it will result in England (because it will just be England by the end) losing everything.
>>18243727The people trying to brainwash you and consolidate power are literally the people on the other side of the fence from where he was, the ones telling you the opposite of what he told you.
>>18243983>what we have is aristocracy.Yeah, of leftist-marxist holier-than-thou university educated snobbish urbanites. This comprises the entire ruling class of 'experts', civil servants, media personalities, politicians, CEOs and so on who all tell you to vote Remain, vote high tax, vote authoritarianism, vote mass invasion, vote ban freedom. Do you you stupid leftist pencilnecks on the livestock end of the spectrum actually believe that Duke Fucksworth the 18th actually has or wants any political power or control over this country? They are insignificant and sidelined. The ones who let the boats in are not them, the ones who rob you of your wage are not them, the ones who imprison you for what you say are not them. >isn't actually a democracyYeah! I mean look at the labour commies actively trying to delay schedules elections because they know people are starting to reject their marxist indoctrination and will take that to the polls.
>>18238911Note how this had gone unanswered?
>>18243937>British mulsims largely just participate in society but don't eat bacon.Apart from them establishing separate closed off ghettos, the massive levels of organised crime, the terror attacks and, oh yeah, the systemic gang rape and murder of indigenous girls at an apocalyptic scale with the consent and participation of the police and government.
>>18243983It was at least a bit democratic though in the postwar period. In that period the government often went out of its way to enact actually popular policies. And one of them was this: you don't like immigration? Okay sorry we'll sort that ou (in 1962). And they didn't go as far as the public wanted (deportations) but they didi act strongly
>>18237811>The only reason chuds like him is he’s associated with racist sentiments from the 70’s. He didn’t value ethnos in any way, he was only interested in the order of the statethat's absolute bollocks. He talked regularly about the British people and their ethnicity and roots and the importance in preserving the native populations.
>>1823904415 years later there were the Brixton riots and the first of the major reforms of the police took place that made them them into the woke useless cunts they today. Then there was Stephen Lawrence case that was used by the establishment to weaken the police even more. Blacks now enjoy a special status within society and get away with low level anti social behaviour that Whites do not.
>>18239894And also just demographic replacement by Lebanese Shiites & Sunnis. Upsetting the tenuous balance that relied on a Maronite super-majority. I believe that the civil war still would have happened without the refugee crisis, because Maronite demographics were utterly ruptured by the famine of Mt. Lebanon during the first world war.
>>18240958>>18240959
>>18237811>The only reason chuds like him is he’s associated with racist sentiments from the 70’s.Haven't come across this take before. But to be fair just because the view that muticuli creates friction and disorder was a given back then, rather than the driving factor of claims and speeches, doesn't make it any less potent when referencing it at a later time, when it has become a focal point / major factor.
