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>>18235203
Is Basque a remnant language of the iron age iberian culture?

>>18235219
Probably, that's what most people think here in the Basque Country, that it came from pre-Indo-European languages

thoughts on sabino arana completely remaking basque identity in the victorian era?

>>18235203
Thoughts on the Carlists?

>>18235203
Do you or anyone you know who is Basque feel any sense of shared historical comradery or shared history with the Spanish? Do Basques view themselves as participants in the Spanish empire, and if so, do they look on Basque exploits within that empire fondly?

>>18235233
I think that Sabino Arana was just the consequence of basques losing the "Fueros", which were a bunch of laws that gave us the chance to a form of "self-government", we managed our own taxes, legal systems, we weren't forced to serve in the military and other things, all because the basques were very loyal to the Spanish Royalty.

But 2 centuries ago liberalism led to the Carlist wars and we ended up losing the "Fueros". Basques were very angry about it, and Sabino Arana used that to his favour so he could become more popular among us.

So again, I think that if the "Fueros" hadn't been abolished, Sabino Arana wouldn't have shaped independentism into what we have today.

Me personally I don't like it because I love Spain, I'm against independentism, but there's so many people who want it, who hate Spanish, Spain and everything that comes with it.

But he was racist and that's based.

>>18235242
>Do you or anyone you know who is Basque feel any sense of shared historical comradery or shared history with the Spanish? Do Basques view themselves as participants in the Spanish empire, and if so, do they look on Basque exploits within that empire fondly?

Well it depends on who you ask to. For example, Franco is seen as a terrible individual, and 99% of people will look at you as if you were crazy if you ever defend anything about him, and in general, the right-wing is not very popular here.

Modern Basque nationalism, largely thanks to Sabino Arana, created a very different narrative from what it used to be like a few centuries ago. The nationalist perspective strongly emphasizes Basque distinctiveness and frames Spain as an historical antagonist or even an occupying force, it's really common for people to hang flags on their windows and balconies that either advocate for Independence or bringing back ETA criminals to prisons in the basque country (because many of them were sent to prisons that weren't here).

But there's also many people (although this is weird in boomers and it mostly only happens with zoomers) that love Spain and are proud to be Spanish.

>>18235236
They were traditionalists, catholic and fought against liberals, pretty based ngl

>>18235242
biscay was super important in spanish history yet basques prefer to larp as sheep herders lol

>>18235203
Should Spain be dissolved?

>>18235268
That's what we are taught in school since we are kids, that's the thing. Me for example I went to a public school and speaking in Spanish would get me in trouble even if it was during lunch or while playing football.

Education is controlled by either EH Bildu (literally created by a terrorist) or PNV (Basque Nationalist Party, created by Sabino Arana), both parties want independentism, even if they have many political differences.

I never met a single teacher in school that liked Spain, so there's that.

>>18235271
No

Does it upset you that they no longer use real geese for Day of the Geese?

>>18235280
Why not?

>>18235282
I like Spain and I feel attached to my country, why would I want it to dissolve?

Although I have to admit that if Basque Nationalism was racial instead of cultural, I wouldn''t be against Independentism, my country is full of moors, blacks and people from south america, it's so fucking tiresome

>>18235285
Because it is a fake nation created by the Bourbons

>>18235203
Who would you consider to be the greatest Basque to ever live?

>>18235281
A little, by the way Lekeitio is really pretty, if any of you guys ever come here I strongly recommend visiting it, and San Juan de Gaztelugatxe as well, they're not too far apart

>>18235266
Retarded losers*. Conservatives are doomed to always fail its human nature.

>>18235294
Maybe Elcano

>>18235262
Interesting. That seems to be the common trend for the nationalism of smaller nations in the modern day. I read one book on the Basques, and I found it very interesting how important the Basques/Basqueland seemed to be, even as late as the 1700s, for exploration, commerce, and colonization. Wales and Scotland have similar stories of being rather integral to the British Empire but now distance themselves very strongly from it, especially the Scots. They have quite a few contributions to that shared empire that they could be proud of, but they tend to ignore it.

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>>18235203
>I'm basque. Ask Me Anything.
Can you confirm those translations are correct?

>>18235316
some are right and some aren't.

to name a few that are right:
- "eskua" means hand
- "lo egin" means to sleep
- "etorri" means come
- “kaio(a)” is a seagull

but many other's are wrong, just to name a few:
- "gehitu" is not to grow up, it means "to add", to grow up would be "hazi" or "handitu" (altough this means "to get bigger")
- "piztu" doesn't mean sword, it means to turn on or switch on ("argia piztu" would be to turn on the lights)
- "utzi" is not opinion, it means "to leave"
- "esan" is not advice, it just means "to say", in basque "zeozer esan" would mean "to say something"
- "ikasi" is not "student", it means "to learn", "ikasle" means student, and "irakasle" means teacher
- “ipuin” doesn’t mean to tell a story, it means “tale” or “story”, normally for kids
- “tontor” means the top of something, for example “gorbeiaren tontorra” means “Gorbeia’s top”, Gorbeia is a famous mountain here in Biscay

>>18235203
>we are going to break apart iberia because we are .0002 as opposed to .0001 deviations away from Spaniards on an FST chart

Why are they like this?

>>18235371
A huge factor is the fact that we've been brainwashed since we were kids

>>18235371
Basques actually have high FST in relation to Spaniards because of separation.

>>18235377
This is true, I have family from the Basque Country and family who are not from here, and you can easily tell them apart

>>18235437
No I was born and raised in Bilbao, I still live here, a huge side of my family is 100% Basque.

It is true that a few of them went to Mexico in 19th century and never came back though.

>>18235464
Yeah I'd say we do.

Btw you're right about Bilbao being a Islamic Country / African Republic, it's disgusting.

When I was a kid I'd go around the city with my grandmother and it was really strange for me to say blacks at all, and I even started holding my breath when I saw them in the streets because they used to smell so bad (they still do), but now? You can't escape them, they're everywhere, it's so fucking tiresome.

The thing about immigration is that the vast majority of people who want independentism are not even against it because they're leftists and retarded.

>>18235475
I meant "too see blacks", not "to say blacks"

im 1/16th basque, even have type o neg blood
can we still be friends, op? im from SQVTH AMERIKKKA

>>18235450
>It is true that a few of them went to Mexico in 19th century and never came back though.
refugees?

Should Basques be given their own country?

>>18235203
Thoughts on the Basques living in France?

>>18235475
>The thing about immigration is that the vast majority of people who want independentism are not even against it because they're leftists and retarded.
It's strange how universal this phenomenon is, i knew a catalan and he wouldn't shut up about muh madrid fascism but had no problem with 40% of the region's population being born outside of spain, and only around half of the spanish born population is native to catalonia and hasn't moved there from elsewhere in the country

>>18235670
they're just so fucking stupid i hate it, and yeah the same things applies here in the basque country. people will cry about spain for years and see no problem in being invaded but african people and becoming a minority in their own country, it's so pathetic

>>18235654
It's fine I guess, at the end of the day as long as you're European (white) I won't have any problems with you

>>18235203
Ever seen a member of ETA being arrested? I have a friend that grew up in Biscaya iirc and one time his apartment building was full of cops because his neighbour was in ETA

>>18235203
How does it feel to be the last remnant of pure Iron age Celtiberians?

>>18235614
No, they just wen't there seeking economic and social opportunities rather than fleeing persecution as refugees.

They actually ended up being part of the Oligarchy of the Porfiriato, which refers to a small, powerful group of wealthy elites, landowners (hacendados), and foreign investors who benefited from President Porfirio Díaz's long rule (1876-1911) in Mexico.

But I've never spoken with any relative from Mexico, they're probably too far away from my by now, I doubt we can even be considered family after 200 years. I literally don't know any single one of them, no one in my family does

>>18235709
Not really, I'm not that old, I'm just 24, I was too young when they were doing things, or hadn't even been born yet.

The father of a friend of mine is a policeman and they once placed a bomb under his car though, so there's that.

Making jokes about ETA is really common here, they're not that demonized. It'd be far worse to make a joke about liking Franco or Hitler than to make it about ETA, many people will probably laugh at the joke if you say something bad about Carrero Blanco or Jose Antonio Ortega Lara actually

Do you like cheesecake?

>>18235711
I don't think about it that much but I really like the Basque Country, not just because I'm from here but because I like speaking a strange language, I like the mountains, the nature, the food, the people and everything in general, this is my home

>>18235729
A lot, I always pick it when I go to restaurants, the basque cheese cake is my favorite and it's so easy to make, you guys should try it :)

>>18235626
No, we already have the Basque Country inside of Spain, that's enough

>>18235203
can you make a fandub of irati

>>18235358
>- “ipuin” doesn’t mean to tell a story, it means “tale” or “story”, normally for kids
Close enough.

>>18235233
>sabino arana completely remaking basque identity
What did he do?

>>18235203
What is your opinion on the fact that your kind speaks a language borrowed during the Iron Age and that the sister tongues of your own language are spoken by churka durkha mountain peoples living in the other far side of Europe.

>>18235297
Soviet Union lost to McDonalds and Liberalism is self cannibalizing itself. Death by end of the century I presume. Whereas the Church remains steadfast.

>>18235262
>The nationalist perspective strongly emphasizes Basque distinctiveness and frames Spain as an historical antagonist or even an occupying force
I'm curious how this pairs with Medieval History. How does this reconcile with the manner which the Jimena Dynasty, of Basque descent, consolidated Castille into Spain's unifying composite monarchy.

>>18237056
you mean kartvelian languages like georgian? i think it was disproven, they're not related

>>18236769
Sabino Arana created it

>>18237086
White christians are reverting to Islam.

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>>18237032
He founded the Basque Nationalist Party (EAJ-PNV) in 1895 and is advocated for the Basque language (Euskara) and its use. He had a racial perspective, he said a person whose first 8 surnames weren't basque was not basque.

He also designed the Ikurrina flag and coined the term "Euzkadi" for the Basque homeland, symbols that are still used a lot today, you will see Ikurrinas everywhere you go here in the Basque Country.

Another person asked for the meaning behind the flag, it has three colours:
- the red epresents the basque people, specifically referencing the historic red field of the ancient flag and coat of arms of the Lordship of Biscay.

- the green cross symbolizes the Oak of Gernika, an emblem of Basque historical laws (fueros) and freedoms, it was destroyed back in 1937 when the germans bombed gernika, but the people took what remained from the tree and now you can actually see a chunk of the log.

- the white cross is because we are very catholic here, or at least we used to be

this is the flag hanging from a huge cross that we have at a famous mountain between Biscay and Araba called Gorbeia

Hey dude i may have basque ancestry since my great great grandfather was probably from the basque or navarra area. Is the athletic Bilbao the white man’s laliga team

Also i dont think ive seen a place more livable outside madrid than getxo.

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>>18235203
Do you guys come from Atlantis?

>>18237107
Kartvelian is related to chinese, he meant north caucasian languages like chechen and circassian

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>>18237161
No, not at all.

Athletic Club has a philosophy were they only play with Basque players or people who've trained in the club's lower divisions (when they were kids and so). This has made people take pride and say "oh, we only play with basque people and blah blah blah"

You know what's the issue now? That there are A LOT of blacks in the club, which are obviously not basques, but people here they're as basque as anyone else, when they obviously aren't.

In my opinion, this is far worse than just playing with anyone from anyplace in the world like the other teams do, because here they're actively pushing the idea that blacks can be basque when they're not, I hate it, and I hate the club even though everyone I know loves the team

>>18237162
Getxo is a really nice place yeah, we also have a huge beach in Sopelana that's right next to Getxo, really beautifiul

>>18237202
Yeah this is my qualm as well. Chivas has a similar policy (only mexicans) but they get away by hiring el americanos. I still like the team though i may root for them instead

>>18237188
>Kartvelian is related to Chinese

Ah yes, Georgians are actually Han.

>>18237166
Yes, we are total Aryans

>>18235262
I’m Scottish and this is what our current zeitgeist is like, word for word apart from the last paragraph where the old are more likely to be britnats

thoughts on your language being mostly made up?

>>18237515
>thoughts on your language being mostly made up?
It's a remnant from the Western Hunter Gatherer bros.

>>18235203
Were Basque and Etruscans related?>>18238106
Same with Etruscans, but they died out.

>>18235203
What do you think about how Basques kinda fell at the last hurdle? They survived the initial Indo-European migrations, the Romans, and all that stuff, and had their own large kingdoms in Navarre and Gascony quite recently, only to get absorbed by Spain and France just a few hundred years before the age of the nation states when they failed to get their own country. They were mostly assimilated in France in just the last hundred years, and I doubt they have much chance in Spain in the modern globalist world, and then the European countries they are assimilating into won't be European for long either. Or do you see a different future?
Why do you think Basque nationalism isn't racial and "right-wing"? It's interesting that racism and Nazism emerged in Germans, who are individualistic and have a history of conquering and thereby mixing with other people, while Mediterraneans who value familial ties more are afraid of such ideas. It makes sense to an extent, conqueror people do need a sense of togetherness within their own tribe and such, while peaceful settled people can get by with just their own close community. But still as their societies develop I would expect to see people thinking bigger and working together for the greater or some shit like that and embracing such ideology. It seems like the Mediterranean is content with being conquered as long as they can live their own little life. Really, judging from Basque politics I can't help but feel that these aren't just reactions to oppression and Fascism and things, but they are naturally faggots. What do you think?

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how does it feel knowing basques got stomped by anglo BVLLs francis drake?

>>18237463
I find there are many parallels between the Basque country and Scotland in relation to Castile and England respectively. the Basques even have their own highland games.

>>18238210
>They survived the initial Indo-European migrations
Basque themselves are patrilinearly Indo-europeans who chose to adopt the language and culture of their EEF wives. The IE migrations weren’t really always a genocidal expansion
>>18238210
>Why do you think Basque nationalism isn't racial and "right-wing"?
Yeah OP answer this. It’s so bizarre how pozzed separatist movements in Europe are.

>>18235203
My Cuban grandfather went to the Basque Country many times in his life, he says it's beautiful. He also admires Franco a lot

>>18238306
He mass stomped spaniards like henry morgan did later
>>18238344
There are no parallels. Basque is a non indo european language that has nothing to do with spanish. Scots is a germanic language closely related to english. are you fucking retarded?

>>18238633
I said there were geographical, cultural, and historical parallels. I'm part Basque btw.

>>18238913
Ther are no geographical, cultural or historical parallels. Scots were never dominated by the english in the same way basques were.

>>18235203
Do you consider Pre-Indo-European basques more or less basque than Indo-European basques? I'm descended patrilinearly from basques that settled in the south of spain but they have a PIE Y-DNA, in particular I2a1a1.

>>18235203
Is there any significant cohort or movement of Basques that have an interest in preserving their language, heritage, and unique identity that aren’t left-wing? It seems from an outsider’s perspective that almost all nationalists or people in favor of cultural preservation initiatives are far-left

Do you celebrate the defeat of Charlemagne?

>>18238975
never heard of her.

>>18235203
What do Basques in Spain think of the Basques in France? Do you see yourselves as one nation?
Also, what do the Basques think of the Gascons? I've learned the names Basque and Gascon literally have the same etymology, Vascones.

Does basque have a future? Do the young care about their language and identity?

>>18239133
Im the Basque Country we have two different concepts.

One is Euskadi, which is Biscay, Araba and Gipuzkoa, these are the spanish basque provinces.

On the other hand you have Euskal Herria (Basque Country in basque), which also takes into account Navarre and the basque side of France.

However, Basque is FAR more common in the Spanish side of the Basque Country (Euskadi). I've been to places like Saint-Jean-de-Luz, Biarritz, Hendaye and Bayonne, but they don't speak Basque as much as they do here, not even close, you might see a few signs in Basque or a few basque flags, but it doesn't really feel like the Basque Country

>>18239202
Not really. There are many places were basque is still the most commonly used language, people won't talk to you in Spanish, many will even refuse to speak in Spanish at all unless you're a foreigner

Ethnically though that's another thing, we just have too many immigrants


P.D.: this is the difference between Euskadi and Euskal Herria, I forgot to attach it in my previous message

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>>18238973
I wouldn't say so, you find people from time to time who love both the basque country and are not left-winged, but it is pretty rare.

Right-winged people associate the Basque Country with the left and independentism, so they end up hating it a little or just not caring about it.

Left-winged people are the opposite, they hate Spain and therefore end up promoving independentis, it's like there's no in between

>>18235203
while my language is not a true isolate like yours, I think that Albanian and Basque share quite a few similar attributes when it comes to their managed isolation and language traits.

One thing that has been of interest to me is how both languages are unquestionably old as fuck by every professional linguist and historian but their actual first written accounts are pretty recent which is then used in bad faith against us.
Pretty simple explanation would be that 99% of the world back then were illiterate and most nobles would write in a lingua franca like latin or greek to discuss diplomacy hence the lack of earlier written accounts of the languages.

What is the phenotype difference of a Basque and Spanish

>>18235290
So are France and Britain. Occitan was essentially just Catalan.

>>18235711
Hey professor, how are non-IE speakers also Celtic speakers, exactly?

>>18238210
You don’t really have all the facts down, especially about the Germans and “comquering people”.

Basically, European microseperatatism (Scottish, Basque, Catalan, Brettany, Italian seperatist groups, and even Ukraine) has its origins in the anarcho-communist movement of the late 19th century. Not in the ethnonationalism movement. Despite being “ethno-centric” on the surface, the politics are ANYTHING BUT that.

They mostly seek a return to stateless Europe, something like of the Feudal era, but within a completely sifferent legal and economic framework. Read up on anarcho-communism if you havent in order to understand what this means.

The “ethnonationalism” of Catalonia and Basque country for example is nothing but a coloring theme for a localized, decentralized communist state where basically anyone can come, go, and live.

It’s less a national movement and more an anti-nation-state movement. So it’s less about achieving basque independence and more about ensuring that Europe is a patchwork of small states.

Naturally there are monied and state interests for this to occur as well, which explains the strong backing these movements get. Who benefits from a balkanized Iberian peninsula? Well, that would be The United States.

>>18238965
Pretty sure you’re wrong about that

>>18239549
That's kind of what I had in mind. The warlike Aryan's need for hierarchy and a greater good to fight for vs the EEF Mediterranean's desire to "just let me farm" in freedom. And also that's kind of what I meant by being naturally faggots. Because that attitude doesn't seem viable in the long term against the conqueror ideology. Or do they not regard it as being conquered, because they got to live their own little life while conforming to the conquerors? I'm wondering why a mindset of working together as a nation didn't develop, even if just to defend from the conquerors so you can farm in peace.

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>>18239549
>Who benefits from a balkanized Iberian peninsula?
Federal Iberia NOW under one great President

>>18239549
Interesting, please continue

>>18238210
>Germans, who are individualistic
Germans are the most collectivist people in Europe, read Spengler

>>18238158
>Were Basque and Etruscans related?
Not OP, but g25 shows very different WHG levels in both populations, so most likely not.

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>>18238633
>Scots is a germanic language closely related to english.
Only after the Anglo-Saxon invasion because the Scots were originally a Celtic nation. Although you could argue the Asturians and Galicians have more in common with them than the Basques.

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>>18238210
>and had their own large kingdoms in Navarre and Gascony quite recently, only to get absorbed by Spain and France just a few hundred years before the age of the nation states
This reminds me of how some radical independentists have a literally who noble (Pierre de de la Motte-Messemé) as an alternate royal pretender to the Navarrese throne who descends from the House of Albret instead of the Houses of Trastamara or the Bourbons.

>>18239206
That's because France actually managed to erase any other culture besides the "Parisian" one. What Basques think Castilians did to them in Spain, the Parisians actually did it in France.

>>18240387
>celtic ethnoLARP
They don't cluster with celts and were not referred to as celtic before the 18th century, how are they celtic exactly?

>>18241050
>how are they celtic exactly?
I agree it's kind of a larp, but those places actually spoke Celtic-derived languages way after the fall of the Western Roman Empire.

Why are there European nations who have independence movements that don’t exclude blacks and muslims? What is the point of independence then?

>>18241401
Disdain for authority without realising you need authority to govern, there's a reason ethno-nationalist ones (eastern europe and balkan) succeeded whilst pozzed ones (scotland, catalonia, flanders) have not

>>18241401
The majority of the new separatist movements in Europe are leftist movements. Of course they will say nothing about the brown peoples.

>>18239606
Come on OP, give us more of an insight into the mind of the Basque than just these basic cliché answers. I wrote that original comment for half an hour past midnight to try to guide this thread to a more philosophical direction to be worthy of /his/, because if you want just this teenage girl tier AMA then >>>/int/ is that way.
Also while we're at it, it would be nice if someone could tell us more about the historical Basque kingdoms, and the Basque people's and others' view of the Basqueness, language, ethnicity and stuff, from pre-Roman to modern times.

>>18241754
Anon probably was a larper, anyway. Besides some comments here are right, basques were not that different from your average spaniard until the 1800s, where the spanish regionalisms started to catch up and forged their new identities that are the ones we usually see these days.

>>18235203
Have you tried conversing with people of AINU heritage? You allegedly share a lot of words. (because Basque are based Solutreans, and the AINU descends from the first people who moved out from the Americas after first learning/absorbing the solutrean language)

>>18235203
Why are Basque people generally more successful and industrious than other catholic nations ?

>>18242869
they have actual family, and don't hide behind a facade of church "family".

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>>18235316
>>18235358

>>18235203
Es cierto que matáis osos con losbrazos?

>>18239666
And yet it is only Germans and no one else on Earth who provided the world with Stirner and Nietzsche.

So…?

>>18242869
You say that as if other catholic nations were not successful

>>18239317
>What is the phenotype difference of a Basque and Spanish
Whereas Spanish look dark like brownoids, Basque look dark like vaguely primitive.

>>18239317
>>18242997
Also basque women are considered the worst ones in the region.

>>18235297
>Retarded losers*.
Injuns, Palestinians...

>>18241428
Arent the Flemish separatists right wingers?

>>18239549
>ensuring that Europe is a patchwork of small states
with the exception of russia of course, and if you notice that you are russophobic

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>>18243485
Too be fair all of Europe should be balkanized

>>18239317
The word is physiognomy, or here, physiognomical.
Funny but annoying how this was resurrected as the based science right at the same time we started using the word phenotype incorrectly, just so we could sound extra stupid.

>>18243489
Tbf i'm somewhat partial to the "europe of a 100 flags" concept, some sort of synthesis of pan-european ethnic nationalism with regionalism, but i don't think it's a viable ideology, even hardcore identitarians only care about the somewhat artificial national culture above organically formed regional ones
>>18243361
I suppose yes, but at the end of the day, they're just neoliberals pandering to a conservative boomers, pozzed to the core. They wouldn't admit to being ethno-nationalists even if you gave them north korea tier electoral results