It was so easy back then, you could get away with anything if you did something to a person you've never met. Why didn't everyone do this once a month or year?
People still feared God, despite the rising unbelief
>>18236747Hope theres somebody in your life keeping you grounded and most importantly keeping an eye on you.
most people don't want to kill people you are just a freak
>>18236764>>18236765These anons are NPCs. Murder is incredibly hot btw
>>18236764>>18236765Its so special and adventurous knowing the FBI and PD is after you since years and you're still living freely. Gosh if I could ever live in those days
hindsight and all that
>>18236747Because most people don't want to be a serial killer, you retarded faggot. Most people want to kill people they get really angry at in the heat of the moment, and that's it. If you're genuinely wondering this, you should get yourself checked in.
>>18236765This. I think we need to just start submitting actual tips. We don't want this to be a "there were signs" moment.
You wouldn't do anything, nigger
>>18236747why?
Can see how psychopathy can give you a big fitness boost but doubt it will ever exceed 2-5% of a population (usually lower than that). Can give leaders and soldiers an edge. More kids fast. Think it's probably self-defeating on top of being loathsome to 90%+ of non-psychopaths even pre-prison systems. You're going to get killed or exiled and if there are enough semi-socialized narcissists and psychopaths around it would probably have been them doing the culling.
>>18236747Because even though surveillance and forensics tech was worse, murder is still stupidly risky. And you also don't really get anything out of it unless you have some kind of weird sadist impulse along with low inhibition. And if you did, you were way more likely to be some brainlet thug rather than a serial killer who plans crimes ahead of time. Most people who have disregard for other people's lives combined with the ability to plan out their crimes would rather do shit like robbery or big heists to get money.
>>18237454Or work on Wall Street or as a doctor or maybe they're sated by abstract small scale vampirism (local social network infiltration, character assassination, gossip, promiscuous sex and cheating, etc)
>>18236747This is supposed to be a shitpost but there's a glimmer of something interesting because of the obvious answer, >>18236753. There could be a situation where old moral codes are dying and being replaced, the final collapse of village life or the dawn of suburbia.
>>18237468God fear was always only preventing a tiny fraction of people from serial killing. Very very few people have that in them. Now killing more broadly, number's bigger but still tiny fraction probably.
>>18237675Not just God, pre-depression society was too insular to have a steady supply of victims. The question is why did it take 40 years to reach an anomalous level of serial killing and why did the anomaly diminish thereafter? I'm guessing the old moral framework continued to function even with its economic base falling apart, then after a couple decades of anarchy a new philosophy of technological surveillance came into force.
>>18237748Internet making people stay inside
>>18236747This really just highlights how easy boomers had it with women. Get a car, go pick up hitchhiking girls, and then not rape and murder them. Now the boomer has had sex and may be even a gf. Boomers had it easy.
>>18237806sex was absurdly easy to get in the 70s. the chucklefuck cops barely even took rapes seriously and said the chick was asking for it by getting into a stranger's car.
>>18236747I don't want any living being to feel pain.
>>18237748it was the goldilocks zone. no modern dna and criminal investigation techniques. automobiles and the highway system. easy air travel. lack of general security, lack of cameras. ease of access. also the community aspect hadn't died yet. people were social enough that they would still help you out. no cell phones. no internet. you had to interact, but people weren't standoffish. society was higher trust, but movement was easy enough to allow someone to move to new areas more easily. all those factors combined were at their peak. it'd be interesting to study, but my hypothesis is that it was a goldilocks zone where are all those factors combined to make it the perfect environment.
>>18237825nice ChatGPT post
>>18237822Poor pig. Damn. They live in hell
>>18237830if you think that's chatgpt you're a retard.
>>18237748
>>18237748All of that plays a role but I'm gyessing there were serial killers throughout history. They were probably in Babylon and Rome. Ancient psychological profile. There was no mass media to give them credit is all and most murders were probably essentially ignored.
>>18237806No joke, my dad met my mom just from him pulling up alongside her and offering her a ride. They were strangers. The 70s was a completely different world.
>>18237879Should have picked Christian cities. Let's say uhhhhhh
>>18237825Except for easy air travel, people had all that since the 1930s . Technology is always going to be the most important piece of the puzzle, especially when it comes to suppressing crime, but it's fascinating to speculate whether the per capita serial killer numbers were really lower in the 30s and 40s than the 70s and 80s, like you'd think from popular media, or were they even better hidden during e.g. the depression or WW2. As someone who never experienced any of those decades, it seems like there was a dread hanging over the 1970s after the civil rights movement and the death of King. People were almost racial enemies compared to today, but they were also greater friends and advocates for one another. It was the age of massively barred doors with many locks and security devices, because the likelihood of extreme physical force coming through your door was highest.
>>18237748In 1974, the year Caroline Fraser turned 13, Ted Bundy committed his first confirmed murders. Bundy was handsome, charming, extremely intelligent and sociopathic – “a sexual virus masquerading as a person”. There is persuasive evidence that he began killing much earlier but never this gluttonously. Almost all of his victims had long brown hair, parted in the middle.Bundy was one of at least half a dozen serial killers active in Washington in 1974. Within a few years, the state would produce the similarly prolific Randall Woodfield, known as the I-5 Killer, and Gary Ridgway, the Green River Killer. Its murder rate rose by more than 30% in 1974 – almost six times the national average. In Tacoma, the city where Bundy grew up, Ridgway lived and Charles Manson was incarcerated for five years before starting his Family, murder was up 62%. It was as if a malevolent cloud had enveloped the region. In 1974, researchers found that the Ruston smelter was pumping 25lbs of lead dust and 58lbs of arsenic into the air every hour.As far back as the 1920s, doctors observed that lead poisoning from paint made children “crazy-like”. Fifty years later, the Ecologist asked “Does lead create criminals?” and the CDC connected lead to “functional derangements”.James Oliver Huberty, who shot dead 22 people in a McDonald’s in California in 1984, was riddled with cadmium from his work as a welder. He had complained that the fumes were “making me crazy”.
I live in Pennsylvania. My state never had many notable serial killers outside Gary "The Oil Driller" Heidnik.
>>18237887>The 70s was a completely different worldthat even the 2000s had a lot different mentality than today. people are chiller and not as in-your-face trashy as they were during the Bush years.
>>18237887the economy was busted and people were poor so hitchhiking was a cheap way to get around
>>18238459Middle class prosperity only returned in 1984, it was a decade long economic depression starting with the OPEC embargo.
in 2050 we will be able to discuss the murder of Rob Reiner on /his/
>>18238107I'm "old". Growing up in the late 80s and early 90s the emotional behavior of most adults around me at that time period would be regarded as sociopathic or schizophrenic today. The stories they would tell me about the everyday lives of family and friends (which would have taken place in the 50s-80s) were even worse. And people were just absolutely stupid too. A kind of deranged, evil stupidity. Childish behavior like a boomer talking about how he shot a lawn mower because it wouldn't start, and other boomers joining in with their own tales of sociopathic destruction of inanimate objects that they felt had wronged them. What would today be called Oppositional Defiant Disorder was the default expected state, and considered noble at that.
>>18238080The 70s pales in comparison to the 20s and 30s for brutality when you start reading about it.
>>18236887Well, good thing people don't do that either because they'd regret it the second the anger wares off.
>>18237454I don't see how someone who wants sexual gratification from rape and murder (most serial killers) would settle for being a small time thug doing armed robberies.
>>18237748It didn't diminish. My hunch is they just started funding more copaganda shows to contain the narrative.
>>18238107hey I read that book too.
>>18237748Misread this earlier. Thought you said "No just God" at the start and then I responded to just that part because I didn't read what you said. Apologies.
>>18238647Copaganda shows are crazy.>cops are always super smart Dick Tracy figures who always catch the bad guys>we have way better forensics now than in 1970 so don't think you can get away with it, bub. we will find you.>>18238549I'm not so sure about that, although I don't remember the 70s having any child cannibals like Albert Fish.
>>18238544>The stories they would tell me about the everyday lives of family and friends (which would have taken place in the 50s-80s) were even worse.back then beating your wife and kids was pretty normal, so was molesting your kids. at least if it was your own kids and not someone else's it was considered your private family business.
>>18239226They always had copaganda shows, even in the 50s there was Dragnet and The FBI.
>>18238544my mom's first boyfriend in the 70s broke up with her and he went and smashed up her car in a fit of anger. she called the cops but they were just like "domestic dispute, not our problem."
I think I read a study a few years ago that hypothesized that would-be serial killer personalities have shifted more to voyeurism since the internet provided a low-risk access to such stuff as well the improved forensics of course.
>>18239233going back to the Hays Code in the 30s it was a rule that they always had to show the criminals getting busted and they could not depict them sympathetically or actually show crimes being committed to discourage imitators
There was an FBI investigator who said that analysis of murder/rape cases in the 50s showed that most were a basic vaginal rape while the ones from the 70s tended to have way more prolonged torture, captivity, anal sex, etc.
>>18239264Survivorship bias
>>18239231Try and understand that that was a time when millions of people were walking around who'd been in wars or genocides. The average First Worlder today is a lot more detached from that stuff. In the 70s pretty much everyone alive had been in a war or knew someone that was.
>>18239264as he said the evidence indicates 1920s-30s crimes possibly exceeded the 70s for brutality
>>18239274Only because it was Catholics who did it. They're still cutting each other with chainsaws south of the border to this day
>>18239277Albert Fish wasn't Catholic though?
>>18239279Fish was molested by a faggot as an adolescent
>>18239274The 50s were a lull, I don't recall too many overly sadistic murder cases from that era.
>>18239304the culture was more family-oriented than the surrounding decades and young men had probably had most of their aggression worked out of them in WW2 or Korea.
>>18239310One thing that struck you was how Vietnam vets were usually ultra-trashy biker types who did drugs and often had criminal records, they were not like the WW2 or Korean War vets who were by and far average guy next door types.
>>18239313Vietnam was a horrible shitshow with 80 IQ white trash and black conscripts who were encouraged by their C/Os to commit as many war crimes as possible despite all the government-backed Vietnam movies in the 80s and whatnot that tried to damage control the war.
>>18239325"80 IQ white trash" were overwhelmingly more likely to volunteer in WW2 as well. You just hate the traditional fighting force of America.
>>18239330No, not at all. Completely different. Literally everyone of all socioeconomic backgrounds served in WW2. The Vietnam draft explicitly set things up so only very dumb low IQ guys got drafted. This was intentional policy on McNamara's part.
>>18239341They just used the war to test out new weapons and get a bunch of trashy hicks and blacks shot up as a form of eugenics.
>>18239304>>18239310murder rates in the 50s-early 60s were relatively low and yes i don't remember there being as many serial killers in that era
The lynching epidemic in the South can be blamed on the Civil War brutalizing people.
>>18239341Not helping matters. Vietnam vets came home losers, not conquering heroes like in previous conflicts, and they came home to the broken 70s economy not the thriving economy WW2 vets came home to with unlimited opportunity.
>>18239270Today unless you live in Israel or Ukraine you're pretty far removed from war in general.
>>18239231I've heard claims that 1/3rd of Gen X were molested.
>>18239341The Deep South was the only region in the country with more volunteers than drafts.
>>18236891Okay tattletale tranny. You know the cops laugh at you when you leave the building, right?
>>18238452Yeah remember that? I recall people being very eager to get in peoples faces during that era. It’s like rap from that era made everyone turn into a wigger.
>>18239267That doesn’t make sense as a rebuttal in any way. How does survivorship bias explain that change, exactly
>>18239264Porn became more accessible and socially acceptable than ever before, + the sexual revolution meant there were less taboos. Most serial killers were consuming it in some capacity. Monkey see monkey do. Only stands to reason crimes of this nature got freakier post-1960s.
>>18238452Fuck you, Bill O'Reilly. All the worst of 00s culture in one guy. Thankfully he got cancelled and forcibly retired.
You could probably get away with serial killing in the present day if you drove to a distant city, injected a sleeping homeless person with fentanyl so it looks like they just OD'd, and then never went to that city again. If you did this in different cities once per city you could potentially get away with killing dozens of people without anyone even noticing. Just saying.
>>18239551he sure loved exploiting murdered little girls for ratings though. still can't talk about Samantha Runnion on /his/ for 2 years yet though.
>>18239565Yet still I never remember any 2000s murder case that had Albert Berdella or Toolbox Killer level of brutality. Maybe Joseph Duncan a little bit though he didn't get close to those guys.
>>18239565next year 2001 becomes /his/. Andrea Yates and that Half Zantop murder case were 01.
>>18239575Duncan's first two victims were killed in 96-97 but his main crime was 2005 so I don't consider him on topic for the board.
>>18239581The first proper year of the 2000s (remember, 2000 was the last year of the 90s not the first year of the 00s)
>>18236747Fortunately, people who think like this are usually cowards and would only attack someone helpless, such as a lost child or a small woman who is alone.
>>18237879>most ancient murders were just ignoredRetard.
>>18239617In a big city with no detective service? Random citizen is killed, no suspects, family and acquaintances have alibis?
>>18237879Probably a lot of myths about some monsters were inspired by some ancient serial killer stories.While there were probably serial killers in the ancient world, it’s not as though they could act whenever they wanted. They would have had to be sneaky and careful, much like in modern times. even though law enforcement authorities were not as developed as they are today, people belonged to families and clans that protected one another and cared for each other and lived in a much more close knit world where everyone knew everyone else.
>>18239557>Just saying.
>>18239684Dozens of crimes carried the death penalty then and often using horrible execution methods. This was necessary for lack of more sophisticated means to deter crime.
>>18239684Really comes down to time and place for what I said, lots of variation. Listening to podcast about murder in Ancient Rome though right now. Was probably close enough to a police-free (had watchmen eventually) modern era city pre-police work sophistication/surveillance. People who didn't have close-knit family around and who were essentially anonymous urban Romans living in group homes and barely getting by (presumably at higher likelihood for serial killer targeting), if they were killed it would be basically ignored. Probably. Would this have applied in Medieval British villages/towns? No.
>>18236753>>18237468The most Christian countries are also the brownest and most violent shitholes.>inb4 saying it's a racial thing, which is inadvertently putting yourself at odds with established religious doctrine regarding evil
>>18237879Dude even as late as the Wild West period you could kill someone, shave your facial hair, go to the next town over, and join the search effort looking for yourself.
>>18239751Overblown meme
>>18239732Asked Chatgtp About how long would a serial killer last in a small medieval town or village>In most cases, such a person would probably be identified within weeks or months, not years.>Why they wouldn’t last long>1. Small, close-knit communitiesMedieval settlements were “everyone knows everyone” societies. Strangers stood out, routines were visible, and unusual behavior was quickly noticed.>2. Limited anonymityThere were no large crowds, no mass transit, and little population movement. Repeated unexplained deaths would quickly narrow suspicion to a very small group.>3. Strong social surveillanceFamilies, guilds, churches, and neighbors constantly observed one another. Gossip functioned as an informal intelligence network.>4. Immediate suspicion after repeated deathsEven without modern forensic science, people recognized patterns. If multiple similar deaths occurred, communities often reacted fast—sometimes brutally.>5. Collective enforcementJustice was often communal. Once suspicion formed, outcomes could include public accusation, exile, torture, or execution—sometimes even without formal proof.>Some killers may have avoided detection briefly, especially during chaotic periods (famine, war, plague).>However, serial killing as a long-term pattern—like in modern urban settings—was extremely difficult to sustain.>Modern serial killers rely heavily on urban anonymity, mobility, and institutional delays. Medieval villages had none of these. As a result, a repeat killer would usually be discovered—or stopped—very quickly, often by the community itself.
>>18239784So you couldn't just wear a mask, go to the next town, kill someone, go home? Lol.
>>18239784>Asked Chatgtp
>>18239565>still can't talk about Samantha Runnion on /his/ for 2 years yet thoughAs I recall they said she scratched her killer and they get a DNA sample from skin under her fingernails, but I don't think that really made a difference here. Her friend saw her being abducted so they had a witness and I think he'd have still been caught if it was 1970.
>>18239809Someone might get away with it a few times, but without modern conveniences like fast travel, public transport, or protective laws, people would notice if something was happening and could lynch any stranger and Jew around.
>>18239784Interesting stuff. I'd bet rural serial killers didn't last long, would have been monitored as a stranger in a new rural place, driven into cities, probably got their psychopath nut manipulating people/character assassinating/killing animals. Animal killing was right in everyone's face up until about 2015.
>>18239745Sure anon, sureYou will find God eventually
>>18236747Why is murder so fucking hot?
>>18239842i remember that case when i was a kid. her mom was a douchebag.
>>18238544i've heard stories from Gen Xers about how they got molested by their cousins, older siblings, etc and their retarded hippie parents were just like ah it's just kids experimenting nothing wrong with that. sex feels nice.
>>18239899Allen Ginsberg ruined an entire generation
>>18239899In Europe it was even worse. German boomers were the most terrible generation of all.
>>18239745It is true. Geens determine behavior to a large extent and "Brown people" are more violent and less intelligent (on average) than Whites or Asians
>>18239915Western boomers grew up during the Cold War and not long after World War II. Even though it is mostly history now, Cold War propaganda and the threat of nuclear war were everywhere. Many thought they might be the last generation, so they didn’t care much and experimented with drugs, sex, and everything else.
>>18239899that came out of the Benjamin Spock "if your child wants to smear feces on the wall, let him do it" school of parenting
>>18236747I think it was specific phase of industrialization and urbanization causing it. I would call it rapid but unstable phase
>>18239557But that's super boring and lame?not even serial killers would get any gratification from that
