Do you feel bad for him, /his/?There's a timeline where he doesn't ally with Hitler, keeps his head down during World War 2, and probably just becomes the Italian version of Franco or Salazar, living to die peacefully in his bed.
>>18238755Nazis ruin everything.
>>18238755He was a piece of shit and warmonger.
>>18238755The only reason they didn't ally immediately is because they both wanted Austria. Otherwise Fascist Italy and NS Germany largely had compatible expansionist goals
>>18238755Mussolini was just as expansionist as Hitler. I have no idea where this myth of a pacifist Mussolini is coming from
live by the sword die by the sword
>>18238755Hitler and Mussolini largely shared the same philosophy about expanding territory being necessary for a nation's survival against international capital markets. Mussolini was just a lot less fixated on race
>>18238790Napoleon couldn't hold onto Spain and this incompetent spaghettinigger thought he could? LMAO
>>18238809Mussolini also had his heavy fixations on culture and race. Hitler just gets the brunt of it but every power in the Axis and Allies side of the wars had some fucked up rhetoric or justification of their polices.
>>18238795People like fascist aesthetics but are turned off by the warmongering aspect so they're desperate to portray fascism as pacifist
>>18238864Mussolini also hated Slavs but he tried to Italianize them while Hitler went full Generalplan Ost. So yes Italians were less brutal on this matter
>>18238874>he tried to Italianize themSome of the most fucked up shit he did was within Europe against non-Italian Euros. Also downplaying the Italianization polices meant to basically choke and snuff out the languages, cultures and people and mold them into powerless little cucks is pretty silly.
>>18238882>Some of the most fucked up shit he did was within Europe against non-Italian Euros. Yes but this was during the war when he cracked down on Slavs scorched earth style.
Anyway the interactions between early Italian fascists and Slavs had some kino moments.One highlight is the Proština Rebellion (1921), which was led by the Croatian Forrest Gump
>>18238755VGH... what could have been...
>>18238891He also did fucked shit in Greece.
>>18238801Live by the shitpost die by the shitpost
>>18238840But Franco was pretty client-like to Musso
>>18240051You think Mussolini had already realized everything was over when H*tler killed his bestie?
>>18238755No, I don't feel sorry. He should've been more competent.>>18238780Oy vey me mother's birthday was ruined by the Holly.
I live literally 300 meters from where partisans killed him
>>18240817>literally the only competent euro leader of the 20th century
>>18238795>I have no idea where this myth of a pacifist Mussolini is coming fromItalian Fascism is Jacobinism (revolutionary republicanism) applied to Italy's situation & characteristics in the 20th Century geopolitical world. Socialism (later Communism) evolved out of Feudalism (aka. monarchies). >inb4 British Fascism Mosley&Co was part of the nobility & related to the royals. Why would he advocate for the dissolution of the system that favored him & his nobility brethren? British Fascism was a deception & psyops operation by the crown to preempt any republican insurgency, and cauterize it from growing. >>18238840>>18240477I don't think Mussolini ever thought Franco would sold off to the crown & nobility. Maybe he realized it late into the war but it's unknown.
No.Enough people here have called him out as a warmonger already, so I'll instead point out that fascism was above all things a movement of thugs. Mussolini's rise to power came to be through illegal acts of violence by his squadristi thugs, who would eventually infiltrate the state through Mussolini's appointments. Fascism is gang violence with better aesthetics.
>>18238755He killed about a million Ethiopians, Greeks, Libyans, and Yugoslavs.
>>18241507How was he a warmonger other than colonial wars? Mussolini didn't want a European and later a world war.
>>18241507>Fascism is gang violence with better aesthetics.you say that like it's a bad thing
>ywn live in the timeline where the Rome-Vienna-Warsaw Axis successfully contained German autism and prevented WW2
>>18241756He invaded Albania and Spain before the world war.
>>18238780Fpbp
>>18238755iirc he wanted to side with the brits at first but they were whining about italy engaging in colonalism out of greed. he knew about german autism even in the 30s though.
>>18243024>iirc he wanted to side with the brits at first but they were whining about italy engaging in colonalism out of greed.They were actually desperate to appease him the same way they were with Hitler. But the Hoare-Laval pact was so unpopular in France and the UK that both foreign ministers had to resign. Like other fascists who came to power, Mussolini's biggest strength was how feckless his opposition was.
>>18243104realistically why should Britain and France care about muh Ethiopia? an alliance with Italy made much more sense, they did nothing about German expansionism and the Japanese invasion of Manchuria, it was insane to care so much about an African shithole
>>18243111>they did nothing about German expansionism Appeasement wasn't effective, but it wasn't nothing either.>and the Japanese invasion of ManchuriaGo read about the Lytton Report.> it was insane to care so much about an African shitholeSlow down there Pat Buchanan. Ethiopia and Italy were party to the Kellogg-Briand Pact. Even if that treaty was toothless, it made invading and annexing countries just for imperialist pride a crime. In 1902, you could say non-white countries didn't deserve independence. Not in 1935.
>>18242917Like your grandmother's pussy.
>>18238755It was his fault, he was one of the most incompetent leaders of the time at least Hitler achieved glory before his defeat
>>18241330>Socialism (later Communism) evolved out of Feudalism (aka. monarchies).this is the stupidest line that has ever been written in the history of the human race. 'Socialism is when the government does stuff' taken to its retarded conclusion.
>>18243111Justifying expansionism and war by using flimsy justifications and getting away with it sets an extremely horrible precedent. Italy basically asspulled some reason to invade a sovereign state and pretty much ended up pulling other stayes into the mess dealing woth the fallout.
>>18243796It was an African shithole and Britain and France owned the rest of Africa and had no moral authority on those grounds anyway. This liberal view of international relations made WW2 what it was by pushing Italy to Germany's side, just like King Edward VIII said. The Italians knew Hitler was going to be a problem for Europe, Britain went behind their backs and chose to appease him giving him everything he demanded in Europe for free and then decided to try and ruin Italy over the rights and sovereignty of savages in Africa at the same time. Mussolini unlike Hitler could be reasoned with.
>>18238755>Do you feel bad for him, /his/?lol no
>>18243830>It was an African shitholeIt was a sovereign state. Being a "shithole" or not doesn't change that because you'd have to include the vast majority of independant states and 99% of the imperial empires under that umbrella too.>This liberal view of international relations made WW2 what it was by pushing Italy to Germany's side.Lmao Mussolini got assmad and autistic about a war that everyone in Italy got over decades ago. He just wanted easy wins to fluff up his stats by taking over Ottoman Libya and invading Ethiopia.>then decided to try and ruin Italy over the rights and sovereignty of savages in Africa at the same time.Ethiopia was a member state of the LoN retard.>Mussolini unlike Hitler could be reasoned with.Hahahahaha. The fucker geared up for two wars for 10+ years and then cries "we aren't ready" like a total bitch.
>>18244017>Being a "shithole" or not doesn't change that because you'd have to include the vast majority of independant states and 99% of the imperial empires under that umbrella too.non sequitur>He just wanted easy wins to fluff up his stats by taking over Ottoman Libya and invading Ethiopia.Libya was already a colony of Italy and had been since the Italo-Turkish war, 10 years before Mussolini took power. You're an idiot.>Ethiopia was a member state of the LoN retard.and how did that force Britain and France to take such a hardline stance on a shithole and saddle Italy with crippling economic sanctions?>Hahahahaha. The fucker geared up for two wars for 10+ years and then cries "we aren't ready" like a total bitch.depleted their reservesWW2 wasn't wanted, Italy fought the Spanish Civil War and colonial wars, which it won
>>18244054>non sequiturIt's not. It's basically fact.>Libya was already a colony of Italy and had been since the Italo-Turkish war, 10 years before Mussolini took power. You're an idiotThe genocide of Libya and colonization ramped up under his rule.>how did that force Britain and France to take such a hardline stance on a shithole and saddle Italy with crippling economic sanctions?Nigha Italy burnt all it's economy and labour force gearing up for a retarded war over the span of ten years. He did it to himself and Italy.>WW2 wasn't wanted, Italy fought the Spanish Civil War and colonial wars, which it wonI wouldn't call it a plain victory if it basically fucked over it'a finances and time doing so.
>>18244131Literally none of this matters unless you are slavishly dedicated to hardcore liberalism in international relations instead of the realism of power blocs and alliances. Brits doing this made the war a lot harder and bloodier on the Allies for no reason and postwar historians like Taylor agree with me. Hoare-Laval just made sense, and public backlash as well as the butthurt of the Labour party against that common sense was the only reason Britain was forced to abandon it.
>>18238809Didn't he commit genocide on libya?
>>18244171>the realism of power blocs and alliancesThat Mussolini invaded a sovereign state that was a member of the LoN? That is your realism you stupid retard.>Hoare-Laval just made senseIt was a shitty pact that pretty much got no approval. The fact that it was a secret one meant that the two men knew it wouldn't have gotten any support if it was openly known initially. >>18244195And Italy pretty much had explicit ethnic and racial hierachies in their colonies and in their conquest of nearby European neighbors and Ethiopia.
